Ladies Night 2: No Cover -- (Game Over)

[Malakittens]

<33.

Great job Fujiko

vote: spring

That's a hammer >.>

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Sorry hun <33.

I'm a ninja cat!

Totally.

Ps I am the town vig

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I did.

Bunny and I think Apolo or how you spelt her name was Eid's shots.

I was either shooting Spring, Amrun or Tracey and then decided to iSo all of them to see reads and Amrun looked really scummy to me.

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Not sure if you guys want me to post my actual reads and thoughts of what went down D1-D3.

I can also explain why I shot Amrun and it was due to lack of interactions with Telo and interactions/defense of SS. There were other things.

Let me know and I will. I would have done it sooner, but I was at work and then Fujiko's claim made sense.

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Amrun Case:

(Going to be put into different sections. For my own sanity)

Spoiler:

I actually agree with DGB here. It's obvious that pg was going for a joke, but it comes off as awkward and I think it's trying to hide something.

VOTE: piggygal

Vote: Sea

For placing a vote without a reason v-v

is this a serious post

@Amrun: Statistics show that most scum is caught during the RVS stage.

Yes, and do you know how? By voting people for mistakes made during RVS. The ENTIRE point of RVS is to get out of it.

So do you think seeking to end RVS is a scumtell?

The thread that I linked to you even make a post agreeing with my opinions.

Okay, now I need you to quote it. Because I have never, AND WILL NEVER, agree that moving out of RVS is a scumtell. I call absolute bullshit on this.

Further more, you keep claiming statistics back you up, but they don't. If you find one - literally ONE - person that agrees that moving out of RVS is a scumtell, I'll drop it.

You can certainly have an opinion without experiencing it, but you CAN'T appeal to authority without an authority to appeal to.

And I've finally figured out what bothers me about this; going through all of this just to make a point that you don't have stances to take on Sucrose and DGB puts this all firmly into the territory of IIoA. What are your reads on DGB and Sucrose?

Also, what don't you like about cityelectric's posting?

VOTE: DrippingGoofBall
Your screen name makes me think of boogers

You have got to be kidding me.

VOTE: Eidolon

It took me a little to understand this statement, but DrippingGoofBall has started out great, justifying this response. The problem I see is that after that you'd expect camn to follow up to this. Regardless of allignment she could make this vote. If she would be scum DGB was the person she'd want to buddy up to or stay away from. If she were town she'd focus on DGB as well, discuss what she brought. With this vote she already gives away she's focussed on DGB, she expects stuff from there. The fact that she stays away from DGB makes me think Camn is scum here.

vote camn

This is really interesting because I think this would be a valid scumtell if the evidence backed it up, but it doesn't. flinter, how often have you played with camn/dgb?

I think most of them are just bussing. But everyone busses on day 1 so it's not really a scumtell for me. Will be useful information for a later day though It's kind of me fishing for reactions, but at the same time it's not... that sounds confusing, but if I live till Day 2 or 3 it'll make sense.

WUT

THIS ommmmmmmmmmmg. Piggy is literally the scummiest player here; after pressure, she goes out of her way to not have a stance on anyone.

Telo is null if piggy is town, but likely scum if piggy is scum.

Tammy is pretty solidly town.


Also, a reminder that i'm v/la each and every weekend.

I doubt piggy would be self-aware enough to fake that. It's not 100%, but she's most likely town.

VOTE: Sucrose

I also support the CE wagon.

Telo, what's your read on brandi?

MY VOTE IS LONELY

I don't understand the seastorm wagon at all. Biggest pusher please explain.

VOTE: piggy

Telo, what's your read on brandi?

This is my official threat to hammer, btw, if it hasn't been threatened already. I still need to catch up from the weekend.

First post linked felt like an opportunistic jump on a new player for a crappy reason. Players like Piggy often are easiest to mislynch and scum have no problem jumping on that type of wagon.

Second post linked:
Defense of SS over a vote. Mildly suspicious to me.

Third post:

Reaction gave me a gut feel here only because I have seen RVS catch scum and where scum have messed up during the phases.

Fourth:

Questioning of Brandi and answering back and forth, but lack of a read irked me slightly.
In addition to still having a high scum read on Piggy, but no other scum reads. One town read which was Tammy.
Trying to tie alignments without a flip.
Putting Telo down as "scum"* if Piggy flipped "scum" looked like distancing. I rarely see scum buddies call each other town.
Has Sucrose down as a scum read in previous posts, but no mention of it.
*(Main post which connected me thinking Amrun was likely scum over any other player here)

^Lack of reads after the game was already on Page 9. Should be more reads than that.

Fifth:

Supports a wagon, but never once mentioned a read on CE.
Opportunistic jump onto a wagon.
Quickly to call Piggy town after a dayvig joke because others called her town too.

Sixth:

Asking for a read on another player, but has no mention of a read on Telo or Brandi, herself.

Seventh:

Distance, scum distancing scum.
Has not once given a solid read that Telo was either scum or town, expect for the mention of possible scum Telo if Piggy was scum. More sounded like lining up a mislynch on Piggy to adjust her read on Telo.

@Huntress: So your rebuttal is "she was only the first to unvote Tracey!" That's a sad rebuttal, especially when that unvote was followed by "never lynch tracey if i die" and it totally ignores the fact that DGB has been acting as a town leader. You obviously have an agenda you're trying to push and it makes me feel really skeevy about you where I didn't before.

@Tracey: Did you forget the whole fake daykill thing? Yeah.

As for seastorm, no one that is actually town claims without reads and then disappears. No one.

VOTE: seastorm

Back and forth defense of SS, but no actual read on SS until this post.

So, Mainly, I shot Amrun due to her lack of reads. Back to back defense of SS. Hammering SS because of a reason that looks 100% distancing. No interactions with Telo, but the possible mislynch of Piggy to tie -possible- Telo-Scum. The I'm going to hammer Telo, but had no solid read on Telo.

Due to this:

Tracey, Sucrose and Piggy are all probable town.
Brandi is null-town due to these interactions.

My own thoughts:

Thought her case on Tracey and Sucrose was not that strong, but overall weak. Her votes on Piggy were horrible and opportunistic to a huge extent.

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I had meta reasons to assume that Piggy was already town rather than scum. Piggy and I are very similar in terms of play styles, though I have never really played with Piggy until now. Piggy's ISO reads to me as my town play style.

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DBG is town because of the vote on Telo. Was way to early to have scum bus their partner.

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Telo's post #192.

As soon as I have a strong scum read I'll be placing my vote there and it will very likely stay there until the end of the day.
So far who I'm leaning towards and why.

Piggy

for reasons I've already stated and don't need to repeat.

Spring

- post 90 just seems pushy and mean. I know pushing is part of the game but that post seems strategic.

DGB

because I really hate the term Hos. Usually people use that type of term to make themselves look better by putting others down.

Bunnylover

for hanging back the most

MathGirl

because I hate it when people put tiny font in their post. I can see that it's there but I can't see what it says and it makes me feel like they're doing it on purpose to hide something but then be able to claim that they weren't hiding it.

My strongest town read is

Tammy

but I've already said that.
After that in no real order

RachMarie

-yes yes, I know my vote is on her but I already explained that was rvs. I'll move it when I decide where to place it.

Fujiko

- mainly because she says things that I'm thinking to the point that I don't feel that I need to say them too or it'll look like I'm sheeping. I'm not. I just find her townish

Amrun

- willing to ask a question, get an answer and then move on. So far doesn't seem to get hung up on stuff.

Calls Piggy, Spring, DGB, Bunny & Math scum.

I have reasons to believe that Piggy and DGB are both town.
Bunny and Math were both killed and flipped town.
Spring is the only one there by PoE that is probable scum.

I rarely ever see scum call their own partner town and always distance themselves by calling them scum in a read. Either the read is weak or totally BS. >.>

Only reason why Telo is calling Spring scum is because her post came off pushy and mean. That to me is a weak reason to suspect someone for being scum.

So, by that list made me think that Spring was scum and was my second choice for my vig kill.

Even though in this post Telo puts Amrun down as a "town" read, but that town read looks forced and if you clearly read any of Amrun's posts they were lacking in reads and didn't look town at all.

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My thoughts on RM. The town shouldn't have lynched her D2. I just didn't see any of the cases against her especially not after Telo flipped scum.

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Huntress' posts reminds me of someone and when I read the pages she looked really town to me. Not to mention Post #154 is very town-orientated. Not to mention she called out SS very early in Day 1 against Piggy's vote.

Post #313 shows scumhunting of which none looks forced or fake.

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Thoughts on the CE kill:

The reaction to the DayVig test on Piggy.

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Tammy was so obvstown it wasn't funny. I have only played with Tammy once and it was one of my first games when I came to MS.
I'm also linking the possible death of Tammy in addition to being town with her post #578.

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I was null on Camn because of her hop on the Telo wagon. Post #391. Originally was leaning scum because I felt that she was more or less town-hunting rather than scum-hunting.
Post #423 made me think of her in a town light because of how hard she was pushing for more votes on Telo. Don't think scum would make a case like that.

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My read on Sucrose was based on the flip of Amrun. If Amrun flipped scum there was no way in hell Sucrose would be a partner.

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Spring:

I was not thrilled about her vote on Brandi. Her post in #177 showed a sign of hunting, but I felt she was tunneling a bit too much on Brandi.
#330 shows tunneling Brandi again. Also her saying I'd be happy to lynch Telo or Piggy as a comprised lynch felt more scummy rather than town motive.

#559 kept calling Telo scum, but never switched the vote over.

So Spring was scummy for tunneling on Brandi supercore, kept calling Telo scum, but wouldn't switch the vote over. Telo's post #192 PoE.

If Spring flipped scum chances are Brandi is NOT scum.

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Town Highest to Lowest:

Piggy
Huntress
DBG
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Sucrose
Camn
Tracey

Brandi, Fujiko were both null to me.

Scum:

Amrun
Spring

[Malakittens]

Wow.

Just realized I left all of SS' posts that I had written down in terms of notes.
/fail.
Ill get to it after work. Apologizes.

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._.

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I highly doubt she will flip town.

If she does, I'll probably shoot Tracey.

My null read next would be Brandi as the last scum.

DBG hop on Telo's wagon was a bit too early for a bus.

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Oh, don't lynch Huntress, she's town. If she's scum, ill cry because I misread her

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Heh.

Red thank you for asking me personally to replace in! I have to admit I wish I saw this ahead of time, was a really fun game!

First time as a vig, ever, I was so scared of shooting wrong. I literally anyalized every person dead and alive.

Tammy ever time I kept reading your posts I kept thinking "Damn I want to hydra with you". Your play was amazing and always is!

DBG you were town in my eyes no matter what. And sorry for stealing your MVP. <3.

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Thanks for running this RC; and well done to the PRs! It was a fun game! In a way it was almost a pity it finished so quickly!

Huntress' posts reminds me of someone...

I guessed they might.

Wait, seriously?

[Malakittens]

I'm not an alt, but I'm trying to figure out Huntress. She's so familiar. I have one precise thought. >_>

[Malakittens]

-nods-

[Malakittens]

Just saying, but it was your sig that totally gave it away, but the buddy post did also. <3

Thanks again Red for the game it was fun!

Tammy. I'll take you up on that hydra, but not really sure when.