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Oh I feel like I should make something clear, especially since it's being raised as a valid point. The neighborhood is not named Orlando's. Nor could it actually be named Orlando's as far as I'm concerned. Naming the neighborhood "Orlando's" would basically be mod-confirming that Kuribo is who he claimed to be, which he wouldn't do.
So, if they do have the ability to "wire-tap" the neighborhood, it's not because they needed to know it was named "Orlando's".-
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In post 2603, Plessiezarus wrote:In the last post from Empire addressing his Equinox read (#2467), we got the impression he was actually pretty confident on his town read on her. But your later posts seem to indicate you've both lost faith in it. Can you shed some light me on what is it that is making you guys waver back and forth on this meta-read? Did Empire note anything in particular that changed his mind?
Erm, not sure where you're getting the impression that I was confident in that post, hence why I said it was based off really old meta that I had to go over again.
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equinoxyou gonna get around to claiming this century?
My guess is if you had anything worth claiming you'd have done it already and this is just a stalling tactic.-
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Equinox - Flavor please, especially why you're 1-shot kill proof. Thnx.-
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In post 2611, Equinox wrote:In post 2610, Cerulean wrote:*whimper* even (I can't spell)
Please don't tell me you're having cold feet.
I mean, if you have cold feet because I'm being super town here or something, then that'd be rad, but if it's because of the claim thendon't forget that this is a Faraday gameand also don't forget that there's a wandering gun that isn't police-aligned.
...why am I even saying all this.
yeah, empire just got a history lesson in the last year of faraday's games.
I'm just entering the stage of the game when I want to cry in a corner is all.-
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But speaking of Equinox, since you mention a non-police-aligned wandering gun, would you expect there to be a member of the scum team that's bp?-
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In post 2633, Equinox wrote:In post 2628, BT wrote:Equinox, what changed between this post and your current stance in regards to my lynch?
I had a town read of you after reading the end of Day 2. When I saw DeasVail and kuribo post cases, I started having doubts, but I kept going back to Vifam's behavior and yours, and then when Cerulean added their case to the mix, that was 3 people who I trust in general and I decided to sheep them. A wild Nostredeus appears. After that, I started having doubts again and decided I'd better read you properly except that's been going on now for 3 days, even if the stance seems like a new one.
Anyone who went vifam's spontaneous behavior means town should check out his spontaneous scum behavior in ny161. It's vifam's posting style, so his posts here are really quite null as far as alignment telling.-
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In post 2616, Plessiezarus wrote:In post 2604, Cerulean wrote:In post 2603, Plessiezarus wrote:In the last post from Empire addressing his Equinox read (#2467), we got the impression he was actually pretty confident on his town read on her
Erm, not sure where you're getting the impression that I was confident in that post, hence why I said it was based off really old meta that I had to go over again.
"I honestly don't think Equinox is scum" sounded pretty confident to me, even with the caveat about needing to check old meta again.
(Have you linked to this old meta yet?)
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I think it's quite apparent that we don't feel really confident in our reads on anyone in our Poe list. Tml was a strong town read for empire but that's weakened over time. He thought she looked rather town upon replacing in, and the meta he had zar already read. They played in micro 53 and she linked her scum games there, but zar linked more relevant games yesterday, which empire looked through last night. He thinks zar has a point as some of her replace in posts match here somewhat well, and if she does flip cop thinks Nostredeus fits for a partner due to her behavior here being similar to there, possibly bt also as she has a tendency to bus. But he didn't have a chance to read through her town games to see how that matched up and is without Internet today.
(empire tends to lose his confidence even more than I do after being wrong, and even though I had a weak town read on arthur, going into that last day empire was pretty convinced that there was no way town would say some of the things arhtur was saying and was believing he was scum as strongly as you guys did. He also thought that tgah was town when I was questioning it. So even though him saying "I honestly think she's town" might sound like he's confident, he's really not. But I think he has a hard time giving up his town reads, so would likely be inclined to think she was town if she sounded like town. I don't know if that makes any sense and now I'm just rambling.)
After she claimed most of our chat centered around if that claim was likely to come from town, so he wasnt ale to look through the town games. And if she flips Avon, then kise needs to be looked at more closely as we've been writing him off based on his claim. Her flavor explanation for her role was way better than kises who was like "I'm that white dude you guys were talking about...the lawyer" and who has done very little in the game since. At the very least I think tomorrow should be mass claim day because something doesnt feel right. Empire and I talked about suggesting last night, but we don't have time to do that so decided it was silly. If she flips cop bulletproof, which I would guess would be Kima based on flavor and she's most definitely here since bubbles is, then probably never mind, but I would expect there to be a scum bp or doc here somewhere.
And it dawned on me that she probably got off of Nostredeus because she thought he was soft claiming vig when he said he'd claim at l-2 and we'd all have a good laugh and that he'd vigged his suspect Sotty, but then you pointed out that she'd mentioned already that theyd been arrested and now I'm whimpering again. (as an aside, if you think it's impossible to make those mistakes in assumptions, you haven't been paying enough attention to the idiotic things I say and do in games from time to time.)-
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That was my first paranoid notes to the neighborhood.-
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Well not him being a lyncher but that all the cops needed to do was lynch or kill Avon.-
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...ok something is seriously wrong. Really need to re-assess everything.
I think we should massclaim today. Thoughts?
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All the claimed/flipped PRs:
Kuribo - Wendell "Orlando" Blocker, 3-Shot Neighborizer
Kise - Maurice Levy, Expensive Doctor
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Zdenek - Sterling, Friendly "Limping" Neighbor
ArcAngel9 - Ronnie Mo, Jack of All Trades
Equinox - Avon Barksdale, 1-Shot Kill Proof-
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Feel pretty confident mass claim needs to happen. There are things to discuss.-
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Targets later is fine.
But, role with name claims up front is what I'd prefer.
Can one of you just start claiming and stop stalling?
Camn: kuribo's keeping his mouth shut during the claiming because he says that he's derailed mass claims before by getting too involved, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out his question. If you have soft claimed vig, why are you still alive? Meaning, if the thread is believing that's what you are doing, why hasn't the mafia team taken you out? It's not implying you're a vig and a busdriver or anything of the sort. Just simply why are you alive?
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To finish it off...
We're Roland "Wee-Bey" Brice, X-Shot Vigilante.-
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Man, when empire claimed he was supposed to point out my awesomefeeblecrumb. There were a couple Weebay crumbs, but I thought for sure this one was obvious:
In post 127, Cerulean wrote:Oh hey Arthur - Two things. Did you really pick the strung out drug addict for your avatar. Bubbles is cool and all, but man you couldn't pick someone really cool?
I aint the type of person to deny a man his fun, and you look like you be having fun and all, butif I don't see real contentproductdelivered between your shitposting and rp, Imma pop a cap in your ass. You feel me?-
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If it was given to deasvail by the mod as a fake claim it was intended to be a safe claim. I don't like that pless is insinuating that deas made up his role himself and is congratulating himself for being so clever. I also dislike trying to claim a mod dislikes a particular role so it's impossible for him to have this role. Mina's crushing independent thought game had an encyptor, and since Mina is the backup mod and works with faraday on setups I don't think it's completely out of the question that this role could exist.
If you want to find deasvail suspicious on play, then make that case but I'm. It willing to lynch someone because his role might sound like a scum role. People did that to staeg in adwd because he was a Frey cop and that just couldn't be town, but it was.
Also, I'd like to ask you all. If he is scum, why bother admitting to daytalk enabler? Why not just claim one shot bodyguard, which wouldn't be questioned?-
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I really don't care about if the role sounds like it conflicts. If deasvail is scum and that is not his role, he was given that as a fake claim which was meant to be a safe claim. I am not interested in lynching someone based on "Faraday said he doesn't like this, surely he wouldn't do this". Because if that's the case and you push through this lynch and he comes back town, I will virtually pummel you both for not listening to a lick of anything we've said this game.
If you're going to make a case on deavail and want to vote him, make it on his play.
What I'm more interested in, for those of you more knowlegeable about balance and not so sure you're right about everything, does it makes sense for there to be a bodyguard, expensive doctor, bulletproof, joat, friendly neighbor, neighborizer, and a vig in town? We've had a scum rolecop and an even night tracker. What makes sense balance-wise?-
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In post 2756, Plessiezarus wrote:In post 2749, Cerulean wrote:I don't like that pless is insinuating that deas made up his role himself
Oh dear, I wouldn't want toinsinuateanything . Here, let me try again: I believe Deas made the role up himself. Better?
I really don't understand your problem with this idea. I don't understand at all why you keep saying:
In post 2755, Cerulean wrote:If deasvail is scum and that is not his role, he was given that as a fake claim which was meant to be a safe claim.
Since when does Faraday give out entirerolesas safe fake-claims? Fakenames, yes, but I don't think I've ever seen him give out actual roles before without prompting.
He's given people help with flavour when they make up their own fake-claims, sure, but in the past he hasn't just said to people "here is a cool fake claim you can make!" when giving out their scum roles. If you look at the ASOS QT I linked to earlier, all the safe fake-names he gives the scum are written out as a VT fake-claims. And there are repeated examples in that game and the other Eddard Stark games of scum making up their own fake-claims.
Why are you so sure that any fake-claim somebody makes must have been given to them by a mod as a safe claim?
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I've never drawn scum in a Faraday game before. So then why would he have to come up with a fake claim and why would he come up with a claim that's a traditional scum role? Our one potential paranoid theory was that he could be a wire-tap enabler and a traitor or something and changed it so that he wouldn't get killed, but that seems a little far fetched when he could shut up about it. I'm not so sure about this one though, and we still have our town read on DV I think. Empire's more confident in that read than I am; I'm pretty terrible at reading him but I've seen more of his town play here than his scum game. I'll have to read through Castle Zar and lala land again.-
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In post 2757, Plessiezarus wrote:The fake-names given out to the scum in ADWD fit the same pattern. They're all written as vanilla town claims. Obviously the scum didn't only claim VT in that game though.
In post 2755, Cerulean wrote:I will virtually pummel you both for not listening to a lick of anything we've said this game.
I honestly don't know why you're accusing us of not listening to "anything you've said". What precisely are you thinking of? I actually went out of my way on day 3 to ask you and the rest of the neighborhood why TML was a bad lynch and BT was a better choice. Your answer was "Meh he's not a better lynch probably ... we're fine with an equinox lynch I guess". And you've already said that Empire agreed with our SAD case.
In fact, while you personally had a town-read on SAD, you weren't exactly going out of your way to talk us out of suspecting him when you gave Empire's read's in #1992 as "Town - [kuribo] - [kise] - Arthur - BT - Scum". Or when you waffled in #1618 and gave a lot of reasons why Arthur could be scum: "quite frankly it weirded me out a little when arhtur made those effort walls because it reminded me of his sudden content after I threw my mini tantrum at him in the westeros game for not doing anything other than shitposting [...] Empire says that he's deferring to me for Arthur but that he thinks that everything arhtur has done so far could be easily faked. And I agree mostly. [...] His attitude sucks. [...] For instance the "whoever is town reading me had better have a good reason" don't read town to me at all. Is weird posturing for Arthur. His tone seems off". I dd listen to that, and it's part of why I was confident that SAD was scum -- you're the only person other than Zar and myself I'd trust to know SAD's meta, and you seemed to largely agree with me that he sounded not-town:?.
So ... when exactly did we fail to listen to you? I don't understand why you're saying this at all .
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I know you did; I thought you were asking because you were suspicious of us and we were trying to save a partner or something, and I should have fought harder for equinox. All game long that slot was a strong town read of ours based on meta and that never changed. I even read his entire meta on this site to try to determine it and the impression that he was over aggressive in a weird way as scum didn't change, but you didn't agree with that bit when you had talked with empire about it. I did learn that he tends to use the work fuck a lot more when he's scum than when town. And if I start rambling sorry, my sleeping pill is kicking in and the screen is sworling and has pretty colors. But, we still felt reasonably confident that equinox would flip town though zar's meta about her replacingin in as scum did have some merit in the way she went about things were rather similar. We were still holding onto our town read of that slot though equinox is tricky and she was making me paranoid. I couldn't exactly say that the bt lynch was the better one because I didn't feel 100% about that lynch either. I was struggling with still seeing him as town as his self-meta and some other posts read townish to me, so I wasn't going to push for a lynch to someone I wasn't feel really great about and have them flip town. And, I was in a sense right. Well, the best lynch that day was everyone to get on Nostredeus, but that wasn't happenings. But, I was right and wrong about who was the better lynch. If we lynched bt, we'd lost a townie, but with losing equinox we also lost a distractive nontown member. Also, I wasn't too worried about it because I knew that if the bt lynch didn't happen, I could take care of it at night. And it turned out to be on town, and we allotted for that and decided even so it was best for town.
And you did ask about arthur and i know my read wasn't confident, but he was town.
It's not your fault, I'm just a little frustrated with this game right now. And I just don't want to see someone get lynched because their role is unlikely to be lynched and come back town and exactly what they said. So, I want things looked at in their entirety because we did go with the absta connections and it didn't lead us anywhere good, so something is off.
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Thanks kise.
Kuribo - what is the name of your ability? (I obviously don't doubt your ability, but I'm curious.)
Also, is there a particular reason that instead of scumhunting youve been throwing out paranoid theories since the start of day? I get being paranoid, but it almost feels like your throwing out stuff to cause a distraction. (and any time you get paranoid about an opposing scum team claiming VIG, check out the abridged version of the "cerulean are not morons manifesto" in the neighborhood.)-
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^^^ Want. To. Lynch. This. So. Bad. Mostly because of sheer frustration with his play, but I'm not convinced he's scum, but damn do I want to.-
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In post 2792, kuribo wrote:I'm pretty sure I mentioned this earlier but my ability is " Come Into My Club."
And if it seems like I'm not scumhunting, its because BTs townflip and Nos' self aligned flip have me somewhat demoralized. I seriously believed them to be buddies.
If I was wrong about that, than I am likely wrong about some other perception of the game state. And I haven't found the energy to try and read back so I can piece the puzzle.
In short, I feel I'm missing something obvious, but.not entirely sure what that is.
Yeah, we're pretty much at the same stage.-
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PROD DODGE.
Probably won't be able to get back to this until Monday or Tuesday. I'm still making my way through the game. Still feel like I'm missing something.-
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In post 2831, Shaft wrote:Derp on my part for not researching
Sorry for triple post
In post 2211, Shaft wrote:Ben always makes bold plays, but I particularly liked his stance D4. Only thing I would find sus' about him are the absta interactions. Otherwise, he's not someone I'm urging to hang.
What day 4 stance? Today's day 4.
That said we thought what Camn brought up was suspicious and considered Benmage as a target last night, but we couldn't justify it. Other than the absta interactions, there were several posts that read town to us and Empire has been over his iso probably about 10 times trying to nail down his read because he's paranoid his town read is wrong, but he keeps coming back town. He's also been over his scum games several times and keeps coming to town but with paranoid reservations.-
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I just realized that deadline is five days away, not 10. I don't know why I was thinking there were more days.
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Okay so, the only thing we feel really (semi) confident about is: Pless, Camn and DV are town.
Kise/Shaft is only on maybe town list because of his claim. His play is absolute shit, and if it weren't for the probably crumb coupled with his claim I'd lynch it in a second.
Jason might be town because of tgah's interactions. But, again, his play is absolute shit. It's even worse than Kise's, and that's setting the bar low low low.
who's left?
cdb. benmage, kuribo?
i'm kinda depending on sotty here for kuribo. and the way he's used the neighborhood has been townish. Dan's posts in the neighborhood were townie, don't know why he didn't post that way in the actual thread, but whatever. i'd also like to believe that kuribo is town from the conversations in the neighborhood, but i'm lacking confidence at this stage.
Okay, I know this isn't something substantial, but it's a product of our discussion tonightand I'm drunk so succinct huzzah!!!but this is where we're at. I'll try to be better tomorrow.-
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So I guess who we're fine lynching is between cdb, benmage (paranoia), and I'll throw in a dash of kise because he's been overlooked.-
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Also, I'm a little irked that setup spec was all the rage until we actually had claims, and then all you people who wanted to engage in it, when I asked what was most likely, were like meh never mind.
Because can someone tell me how likely it is that town has a 1 shot BG, and 1 shot kill-proof, an expensive doctor, a joat, a 3 shot vig, a 3 shot neighborizer, and a friendly neighbor?
I don't even pretend to understand balance, sooo........-
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Why? You're still posting as Kise at this site.
Is the shaft alt supposed to help you play better? Cuz I'm not seeing it.-
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Okay this will be brief. I have a ton of papers to grade today and tomorrow so I'll be on and off. Hopefully empire will pick up what I'm unable.
Cdb was an early scum read of mine that changed in response to his play day two, but there are some things that ran suspicious to me as I re-read the thread this week. (I'm not going to include post numbers, sorry that takes up too much time). Cdb makes an early vote on absta based on his petapan vote, and then when Ben asks him about it, he overexplains why he's voting absta. And I don't mean too wordy because hello! but the reason for voting absta is way overexplained and unnecessary. Could easily going for the whole show early suspicion and votes for a partner. He quickly finds a reason to move off of him though and votes safetydance for being too safe. He tells absta later to "skip walls, try harder, do better" and absta doesn't respond to this at all. I'm not sure how telling this is though because absta didn't respond to me when I called him out for sounding fake. In fact absta pretty much ignores cdb altogether. There is not one mention of him in his iso at all. His stance on Jason is pretty weird given that he's basically relying on Sotty and not his own read. This post is weird too and it almost seems like it's protecting Jason in way and slightly advocating a sotty lynch. Sotty would come back town, which would make people think that Jason just has to be town. But the next day as soon as Sotty starts suspecting Jason, he's suddenly a scum read for cdb.
The thing that strikes me as somewhat suspicious is the fact that tml had gone after cdb pretty hard on day two. Read any of tml's early day two posts and he's convinced he's found scum. He then pushes for Kise having a scum read on cdb and kise. It seems that in the night cdb wrote a case on tml and pushed it all of yesterday. Nothing made him waver a second in going after tml. He kept pushing that "tml asked for the name of the neighborhood" thing like it was slam dunk evidence, and didn't even flinch when I pointed out that the neighborhood was not, in fact, named Orlando's nor could it even be. If that was such a strong crux of his case, why didn't it make him flinch? I don't know I might be getting hung up on this though.
tgah looked like they could have been protecting cdb a bit. DV early voted for cdb for what it looks like moving his vote onto absta (which is something that is making me wonder about dv actually), and tgah asked dv why cdb was scum. I'm not even sure what to make of Post 691 as I don't know why cdb was even brought up, but it's interesting to point out that it's in relation to absta.
Oh and something just occurred to me. Maybe it's paranoia setting in upon looking at that last post trying to figure out why he was mentioning cdb at that point, but that's a post dedicated to his scum read on Jason. We've been discounting Jason basically because of the tgah interactions, and I'll have to look at day one again with this in mind, but the first vote on Jason came after Sotty had declared having a strong gut scum read on them but a town read on Jason. The later push on Jason came after there was somewhat of a push against tgah. If they had any thought that they might be going down, and by that point it became obvious that Jason wasn't going to happen, they might have pushed harder on Jason to keep him safe.
But, self-meta gets to me. So, I think there are some really scummy things about cdb and the interactions with absta do look bad as well as tgah, but then again so did tml's and he was town. I'm not going to cry if he's lynched, but I don't feel confident he'll come back scum.
Okay, I'll post more in a bit after I grade some papers and feel like I'm accomplishing something.-
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In post 1904, Kise wrote:In post 1884, Benmage wrote:PLUS who the fuck is going to counter claim EXPENSIVE doc
MEans I'm not regular doc and means I withheld info for the sake of greater good.
There can't be a steady doc along with my role, and it also hints that I'm balanced towards there being an SK > a vig.
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In post 2923, Shaft wrote:
Cerulean wrote:In post 1904, Kise wrote:In post 1884, Benmage wrote:PLUS who the fuck is going to counter claim EXPENSIVE doc
MEans I'm not regular doc and means I withheld info for the sake of greater good.
There can't be a steady doc along with my role, and it also hints that I'm balanced towards there being an SK > a vig.
Expand on this please. Thanks.
A limited doctor would help increase the SK's chances of winning. That was my first thought but it wasn't long after I claimed that I decided against this type of thinking, hence why I've never bothered you.
Okay. I'm just a bit paranoid of you, and was hoping you got your flavor wrong, so I could go ha! gotcha!-
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In post 2918, ChannelDelibird wrote:Cerulean - the main issue I'd like to take with your big post there is the same issue that I've been taking all game with people discussing my early-game Jason read. My scumread on him didnotsuddenly appear on Day 2 - it was already something that I was nursing...
In post 311, ChannelDelibird wrote:I'd be very strongly considering a vote on Jason but Sotty and Zach have never given me reason to doubt their reads on him.
But the fact that it was Day 1 and Sottyrulez had a declared townread made pursuing that particular ping of the scumdar at that time look like a less wise idea.
I know you had said this before, but that's the impression I got from reading the thread.-
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As far as Ben goes, we've actually had a really hard time with this. Ben's interactions with absta don't look great. Several of his comments are rather throwaway and could be interpreted as interacting for the sake of interacting. He doesn't give a read on absta mostly because he has a hard time judging inexperience. I know that Ben has said this in several games before so this isn't out of the ordinary. Although I don't consider absta inexperienced? He doesn't play larges I guess, but he's been onsite for over a year and has over 2000 posts, so I'm not sure about that. It still seems kinda sloppy? And for someone who says their scum game is flawless, I'd expect something better for a read on a partner...not something that just looks so suspicious.
The way tgah interacted with ben isn't telling either way. They voted him first for justice, but pretended to be of two minds about him. They came to his defense when Shadoweh was attacking him, but then again several of us did as the line of attack was bad. But, shadoweh did die night one for some reason. It can't just be because of the absta thing because more than one person went after absta. She did attack ben? Don't know how much I think this is likely though.
Empire thought that his response to zdenek when he was attacking him looked suspicious, but I haven't been able to get anything concrete on benmage from empire. He's read him a bunch of times and thinks the interactions look bad but by meta he looks the same as town. (See what overreliance of meta gets you? >_>) There are little things that look suspicious but there are some things that look townish. His hammer on tml yesterday would be weird coming from scum? (Not the hammer but the way he went about it.)
I really don't know though.
I've had Camn as a town read for most of the game even though her reasons for scum reading people day one were pretty bad and sometimes still are. There are just weird scum tells she throws out. I remember being absolutely convinced she was scum in Ladies Night though and she was town. Empire and I read through her last scum game, Buffy season one, and she does turbo bus. So, their interaction doesn't necessarily clear her? In reading I thought the "go fuck yourself" to Pless read faker, but I've read through them a bunch of times and keep coming back town on Pless, so if they're cops they're doing a really good job. But, Camn isn't as cocky sounding as scum as she is as town, which has us reading her as town. But I just re-read through buffy again, and don't see what I remember seeing before, but I was a little drunk that night so yeah.
DV is a strong town read for us based on his behavior and meta. I'm crap at reading DV; I think the only time I've read him properly was NY146 and it was mainly because I'd never ever imagine scum saying some of the things he said. And there are things that make me think he's town here. Little things like him saying stuff like it doesn't make sense for him to be scum. I know that doesn't sound like much but it's how I read him. Also, his claim and the way he claimed makes me lean town, though I'm paranoid about this too. But, from his post where he crumbs that knows scum have day talk, he always planned to claim it. And I'm still at a loss for why scum would claim a scum role, which is what an enabler does. I mean I know there are the arguments that Faraday wouldn't use it or doesn't like it, but it still fits the flavor. Wire-tap enabler would also fit along with 1 shot BG for a scum/traitor role, but I just don't know how much I believe this and empire has him as a strong town read regardless.
Still paranoid of kuribo/kise but that might just be paranoia. Still think Jason's play is atrocious and am afraid we're letting scum go based on a theory about tgah which might not even turn out to be true.
Oh tgah didn't mention camn once.
Now that I think about it camn and benmage might work well together? I don't know.
I'm going to be gone most of tomorrow. I'll try to do more tomorrow morning, and when I get home tomorrow night. I feel like reading the thread again just made me waffle harder.-
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As far as Ben goes, we've actually had a really hard time with this. Ben's interactions with absta don't look great. Several of his comments are rather throwaway and could be interpreted as interacting for the sake of interacting. He doesn't give a read on absta mostly because he has a hard time judging inexperience. I know that Ben has said this in several games before so this isn't out of the ordinary. Although I don't consider absta inexperienced? He doesn't play larges I guess, but he's been onsite for over a year and has over 2000 posts, so I'm not sure about that. It still seems kinda sloppy? And for someone who says their scum game is flawless, I'd expect something better for a read on a partner...not something that just looks so suspicious.
The way tgah interacted with ben isn't telling either way. They voted him first for justice, but pretended to be of two minds about him. They came to his defense when Shadoweh was attacking him, but then again several of us did as the line of attack was bad. But, shadoweh did die night one for some reason. It can't just be because of the absta thing because more than one person went after absta. She did attack ben? Don't know how much I think this is likely though.
Empire thought that his response to zdenek when he was attacking him looked suspicious, but I haven't been able to get anything concrete on benmage from empire. He's read him a bunch of times and thinks the interactions look bad but by meta he looks the same as town. (See what overreliance of meta gets you? >_>) There are little things that look suspicious but there are some things that look townish. His hammer on tml yesterday would be weird coming from scum? (Not the hammer but the way he went about it.)
I really don't know though.
I've had Camn as a town read for most of the game even though her reasons for scum reading people day one were pretty bad and sometimes still are. There are just weird scum tells she throws out. I remember being absolutely convinced she was scum in Ladies Night though and she was town. Empire and I read through her last scum game, Buffy season one, and she does turbo bus. So, their interaction doesn't necessarily clear her? In reading I thought the "go fuck yourself" to Pless read faker, but I've read through them a bunch of times and keep coming back town on Pless, so if they're cops they're doing a really good job. But, Camn isn't as cocky sounding as scum as she is as town, which has us reading her as town. But I just re-read through buffy again, and don't see what I remember seeing before, but I was a little drunk that night so yeah.
DV is a strong town read for us based on his behavior and meta. I'm crap at reading DV; I think the only time I've read him properly was NY146 and it was mainly because I'd never ever imagine scum saying some of the things he said. And there are things that make me think he's town here. Little things like him saying stuff like it doesn't make sense for him to be scum. I know that doesn't sound like much but it's how I read him. Also, his claim and the way he claimed makes me lean town, though I'm paranoid about this too. But, from his post where he crumbs that knows scum have day talk, he always planned to claim it. And I'm still at a loss for why scum would claim a scum role, which is what an enabler does. I mean I know there are the arguments that Faraday wouldn't use it or doesn't like it, but it still fits the flavor. Wire-tap enabler would also fit along with 1 shot BG for a scum/traitor role, but I just don't know how much I believe this and empire has him as a strong town read regardless.
Still paranoid of kuribo/kise but that might just be paranoia. Still think Jason's play is atrocious and am afraid we're letting scum go based on a theory about tgah which might not even turn out to be true.
Oh tgah didn't mention camn once.
Now that I think about it camn and benmage might work well together? I don't know.
I'm going to be gone most of tomorrow. I'll try to do more tomorrow morning, and when I get home tomorrow night. I feel like reading the thread again just made me waffle harder.-
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Slept in this morning and am getting ready to leave for the afternoon, but I will be back at least five hours before deadline and will be here until deadline so will be able to vote. Empire might be around too, but I expect he'll have a bit of a hangover so might not.-
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Oh but here is how I see it fitting the flavor. His ability is rt, which Wallace does do for that murder of that one guy. He gives the cops the information about who he called and the part he played in that guy ending up getting torture murdered. The cops then send him to his grandparents to keep him safe, and he planned o testify. However he comes to decide that he misses the tower boys and leaves and reenters the game. But he's then killed for suspicion of being a rat and when he does the cops lead on that case goes poof, and they have no more evidence tying the barksdales to that murder.
That's how I see he flavor fitting. The body guard part is what I more struggle with the flavor, but it's called don't die Wallace, and he does protect a buch of kids, meh? But I can't think of anyone who fits a rat role that would also be a bodyguard.-
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They couldn't have killed Shaft? Someone I'm actually paranoid about? (I mean I was a little paranoid of Pless, but decided they were town through my paranoia.)
Oh check this out. Jason's protective coating has gone snap, crackle, pop
If you follow the link, you will find a game that was running at the same time as this game that features a mafia traitor konowa (one head of tgah) to a mafia goon absta. In that game the mafia member he knew was absta and bussed him early for pretty much no reason at all.
So, Jason for the love of all that is good and holy, please if you're town do something to make me not want to lynch you.-
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Oh and think that scum is in Camn, Benmage, Jason, Shaft.
If it's kuribo or dv...fml.-
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Derp harder camn.
And explain in all your majestical weird random scumtell glory how me wanting someone I'm paranoid about instead of someone I read as town to be killed.
I'd waiting. I'm ready to take notes and everything!!!
And no, sorry, Deasvail is not in this world or the next claiming his targets. You say it's scummy for me to say I wish someone I was paranoid about would bite it which is a normal feeling, and you actually want a 1 shot BG to claim his target/if he has actually targeted anyone.
Er...Sorry...Not. Gonna. Happen. Keep Dreaming.
Also, if Shaft does happen to be town, he's not claiming a target either. Not. Gonna. Happen. Keep Dreaming.
Are you sure you're town?
Why, by the way, did you push like a boss for Benmage to get put to L-1 that one day only to jump off of him and join him on the cdb wagon. Do tell. I'm really excited to hear all about it.
Also, seriously, We shot BT N3 OBVIOUSLY.-
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Also, I'm sorry to break this to you Camn, but you're actually on the suspect list so you don't get to act like the boss.
It's sad...I know.-
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Hey here's a novel thought. If you're town, why don't you act like it?-
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I mean seriously Camn. You're demanding the two potentially town healing roles to out their targets/if they've targeted. Obviously, I don't 100% buy Kise's claim or I wouldn't, you know, have wished that he would die to ease my paranoia. But, if he is town and his role is really what he says, you're asking him to give a list of people he's healed, for what reason again. Also, DV isn't dead so if he has used his bg, his target wasn't targetted, and if he hasn't used it then it's still available for him to protect someone who is likely to get killed.
Did you bother thinking of that?
Like almost everyone left's play is just so wtf that I can't figure out who among you is legitimately town.-
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Internet is out til tomorrow at least so phone post will BS brief.
Ben ill answer when have internet if empire doesn't.
Cannot on the off chance that kise is town and role is real outing who he has protected gives scum a road map to who they can kill. I'm not interested in giving them more information. Also, do you really think this would be my reaction to kise if he protected someone I targeted? How much do you understand about muses claimed role?-
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