Xenoblade Mafia (Game Over)

[Andrius]

Nacholove!

i claim miller

wut

hi guys, I'll catch up on the thread in the morning.

catch up with what? you are on the first page and allready doing excuses about not being avaible?

You don't like jokes?
You're probably just jumping on shadows, "miller" boy.

Vote: Svenskt Stal

:goodvote:

Vote: Sven Stal

which also makes it impossible for me to be scum since i would have to explain down the road why i am not dead.

This logic makes no sense.

1. claim miller, hope people buy it
2. if people buy it, hope they dont question why i dont get nk´ed.

1. Claim Miller, dont care if people buy it
2. Town NK's you regardless
Done.

yeah i aint kidding. i am miller.

which also makes it impossible for me to be scum since i would have to explain down the road why i am not dead.

so... my scum plan must then involve the following

1. claim miller, hope people buy it
2. if people buy it, hope they dont question why i dont get nk´ed.

2

There is a bolded number at the bottom of this post.

your logic involves scum hoping that the cop will investigate me and find guilty... which I, by claiming miller, have allready confirmed will happen.

Um dude, you claim Miller, Cop doesn't bother investigating you.
That's obvious.

i can claim flavor too if that helps

It might. Probably not now, but.

then scum will feel cornerd and forced to kill the "clear" person, regardless of him being mechanicly clear or not.

Scum will kill who they want, and if they have other priorities than a Miller who the town will kill if they're alive long enough, as you say, then the scum can forget about the Miller and move on.

I do appreciate the early claim though.

#47 Nacho is town.

svenskt why no entrance gif?

- f

Too preoccupied with fabricating the fakeclaim.

Gut read on sven?

Pedit: Oh. >.>

Pedit: let me post

no, I'm leaning a little townish on svenskt.

- f

How so?

you can have abscent intellect as town, I have seen it before.

He DOES have a point.

Wait, you wanted me to read on the first day? Bah.

I think

vote Nacho

is better really.

Fakeclaiming miller is a moronic and dangerous gambit that I have never actually seen a scum use, and that's in like 20+ games.

So besides for the fact that it clearly isn't a popular move, what does not seeing it tell you?
Yes, it is dangerous.
But if it were used all the time it would not be nearly as effective; hence the scarcity of the move.
I have *one* game in mind but I'm not actually sure if the Miller was scum or not.
How is the Nacho vote better?
Sven's reactions have been iffy; Nacho is strong and analytical.

Metal Sonic is being not productive for his posts. I'm not impressed with 2's either.

i have a skype meeting

Vote: Sven

because i claim to be in a meeting?

i wanna vote cabd

no meeting ended

Look at the timing of these posts.
All in about 15m he goes from "having a Skype meeting" to "reinforcing he's in a meeting" "meeting ended".
I point this out because
a) why is he posting in a meeting
b) they're all in very close proximity.

On a side note, if you want to vote cabd, then do it?

Why is this stupid? If it's generally true that miller claims on day one are legit, then we should not lynch Sven, right?

Remind me that this is here if Sven flips scum.
Also his lack of a vote is scummy.

Unvote, Vote: BROseidon

On a side note, I'm a big fan of the TOPOFTHEPAGE votecounts.

Right now I don't have a scumread. Everyone walked away from the miller claim looking null or town.

...

I'll claim town,
hey guys.

Anything to add?

that said, giving her a townread that strong is not good.

She's not a scum player. I know her better than you do. Give it up.

why you got to be so bad at this bro

Just a second ago you were sucking up to me, and now you're sucking up to ffery and discrediting me.
Try harder.

with what? you are walking down the wrong path broseph

and i know ffer well enough to not go inst town and disrespecting her scum game.

i am not sucking up to you, i think you and orc have done a good job at sounding town.

You think they've done a good job at "sounding" town.

This implies that they are not actually town.
Am I right in drawing this conclusion?

[Andrius]

I'm still waiting for him to come back and say things before I make a move Re: Varsoon.

[Andrius]

Here. Have a cookie.

VOTE: BRO

Wait are you seriously reading him as scum?
Why are you reading Sven town recently?

This post?
Yes, I think the stuff I mentioned was scummy.
Also, Sven, but I like having multiple options.
If you're sad I left the Sven wagon I'll come back over with you. Just pursuing multiple avenues.

actually i didnt get miller, i got miller tracker.

but what evs.

...WHY WOULD YOU CLAIM THAT
WHY, AS TOWN, WOULD YOU CLAIM THE OTHER PART OF YOUR ROLE THIS EARLY

I agree with Nacho- I expected a bit more out of Sven than "hi I have three votes and am now claiming more of my role while it is both unnecessary and uncalled for". As scum there is no motivation to do this.
As scum the only reason for doing this is to claim to stay alive but there REALLY isn't this much pressure on his this early.

...
Not sure what I feel about this.

kid, you crack quick.

tl;dr, this.

@Svenskt: What is your role name? Miller?

Miller Tracker, apparently. Would you like to take a position on that?

I will wait to hear it from him. Don't be answering questions directed at other people please.

He doesn't like it when

I

people do this. >_>

[Andrius]

@Sven- So when you die, in your estimation, what will your death flip be exactly? You can leave character as [character] when you reply to this.

[Andrius]

Hell yeah. He just came off a game where I was his IC and we cleaned house pretty harshly, and his first instinct was to latch onto me a bit, figure out why I'm thinking what I'm thinking. I'd guess that he would be far more afraid of me as scum, maybe try to avoid me a bit; the way that he called us both town was also pretty genuine, with the "the aggression doesn't make them town but I think that the way things went down was pretty town" and all. He also has three townreads, which is more of a stance than most.

Yeah, it makes sense.
:/
:\

(remember that Calcifer game where we lynched a mason? like that),

How could I forget? xD
Again, you're making perfect sense.
I'll be back in a bit and relook at people.

[Andrius]

...this thread exploded.
I'll catchup manana, focusing on another game before sleep tonight.

[Andrius]

I MADE IT TO THE TOP OF THE

MOUNTAIN

THREAD

[Andrius]

Yeah um this thread exploded and I'm not going to sit here and try and keep up with it. I'm also in another game so we'll see how well I do balancing the two.

I see an appeal to emotion more likely than not; the fact he was going "ffery is buddying up to the Great Svenskt" and shit like that earlier and the fact that he doesn't bite back read pretty badly to me. Then there's the constant discrediting of me being bad for having one incorrect scumread and the fact that he crumbled completely and pulled the "i'm lurking this game out. oh and i'm a tracker too" heavily influences me towards calling him scum. But he has cracked regardless of alignment, so I'll leave a few others to sort out that scumread and make sure I'm not going CRAZY DEATHTUNNEL NACHO mode (remember that Calcifer game where we lynched a mason? like that), but I feel good about him so I'm just going to sort other reads out for now.

Yeah, I follow your logic.
Backing off would probably do some good.

Cracked_Sven is not being productive and calling Nacho bad is laughable.

I don't like varsoon's #210. Its very non-committal and too passive for my liking.

I'll be playing pretty regular town today with a bit of sleuthing if I find time for it.

...what exactly does this entail?

I don't like that you'd put a vote on a guy based off of one little post.

Its the first ten pages. Its not that big of a deal.

I support flipping based on information.
So, currently, the best flips in my mind are ones of incredibly active players/claimed roles.

I don't understand what you want us to do.

I don't like Varsoon's style of posting.
Doesn't mean anything for his alignment. I don't like how he is sheeping his vote though.

@Sven- Ok lets try this again, Sven. If you are not investigated as colonist then what are you investigated as?

guilty.

This is odd.
I'm assuming that

Spoiler: game spoilers

Zanza and his Disciples are scum, but I could be wrong here. Egil and Co. could go down as Mafia2 or Town in some all-against-Zanza scheme.

but regardless 'Guilty' is an interesting result given town are colonists.

@Sven - Yeah, that's what I'm saying. If someone is just a regular cop, you'll ping as scum, making it a good role to lie about having if you're scum.

Regardless, I could care less about your role.
I'm much more interested in how you're playing.

@GIF: I know it's okay to link, I'm just saying that I don't like meta. How a player was/what their role was in another game shouldn't be a defense for them in this game.
Their play should be a defense for them in this game.

For looking at how he's playing, you're not doing much by means of actually analyzing his play.

Varsoon is town too.

How/Why?

Varsoon is town too.

I'm

always

town. And never any cool roles, like Monado-wielder.

Cool roles are:
REYN
REYN
REYN
REYN
REYN TIME
REYN'S FLAVA FLAVE CLOCK

Both of your roles?

VOTE: Sven

Both parts of his role. Reading is tech.

there are no mixed signals

i get shit role

i claim said role

thread goes apeshit out of orbit mental basket case

i adjust and add more and threaten to not give a shit

heat dies



aaaaaaaand now it will start again

To be honest, most games I'd LOVE to be a Tracker. Useful, investigative. Miller just makes the game more interesting.
You're doing an awful lot of complaining and not alot of analzying or questioning.

How is miller tracker two roles

P-Edit: I got a girl too.

There is no need to claim that.

I hate the claim. Saying "I give up" then claiming NOT HIS FULL ROLE is complete and total bullshit. If he gave it up, he's put it all on the table. But the "tracker" portion was an afterthought. That says "oh, miller claim scummy? better add town utility to it.".
There's the difference in between him saying "I'm replacing out" and "I give up" but clearly not giving up; one is genuine regardless of alignment, the other is pretty fucking bullshit considering he didn't even need to take a step back from the game.
Finally, my gut loves Sven. I love Sven. He's not playing to his usual self, and he knows that. But going for the discredit instead of taking my reach out when I give it to him is pretty strongly scum vibes.

If you want him gone today I'll join you.

How is miller tracker two roles

P-Edit: I got a girl too.

well it usually is the case... you are a miller, or you are a tracker.

Miller is a modifier for a role. It makes good sense.

As usual, it is hard for me to disagree with Nacho.

I'm a girl, too. Girl-power, I guess.

WHY ARE PEOPLE DOING THIS

Why do people think Varsoon is town because I really see nothing to say he's town.

My thought process here is pretty simple guys, I voted nacho because he felt opportunistic springing on something I'd never seen happen before, but have seen scum try to get a lynch out of. He proved me wrong, so I unvoted. Now I am going to revote because of the wifom shitstorm that sven has created.

vote sven

:goodreasoning:
she's town

Ok I think Sven is town. Or at least he could be and I am willing to give him a shot to live. Being a miller tracker, even in claim, will generate useful info over the course of a few days. I would like to reevaluate him in a few days based on play and association.

I would also be fine doing this.

Sajin's #294 is great because he sees Varsoon like I do.

Unvote, Vote: Varsoon

My reasoning, Sajin's. Also Nacho thinks bro is town so that's enough for now. I'll reevaluate later but varsoon is here and present.

Oh, I was showing my frustration that you kept asking for something he already claimed. You just wanted it in a dress.
Make sense?

you do realize that ffer is half decent at being scum right?

calling anyone "town as shit" or "x is town" after 6 pages is too loose, but i think you and orc have done a very good job so far.

i also think i have been towny as fuck.

hi sven. you don't know me but I am mollie it is nice to meet you. I have played a lot of games with fery on other sites I am probably the only human alive who has consistently spotted scum fery. she is looking town so far but I will have to have some direct interaction with her in order to firm up that read and I am hoping that I can do this without engaging in some dumb tard fight. I would go ahead and trust that if I were you even if you don't understand the reasons why.

Hi mollie I'm Andrius. Nice to meet you. Since you're hydrating with the ol' 'jiffy I'm going to infer that you're competent and since you're competent I'm going to leave that read up to you. Please inform us if anything changes.

Peeking back in.

Sajin, that vote on me does nothing. Why didn't you ask some questions with it, for me?
Makes me sad, Sajin.
Makes me sad.


Anyway, more out-of-this-game nonsense aside,
I could see how people'd want to lynch Sven.
We've got time, though, so why rush anything?

You are literally doing nothing.
I can't even.
Nacho what do you think of this guy.

Metal Sonic is MIA and I dont like it.

Can somebody just claim scum already this is getting ridiculous

How does one claim scum? I've tried several times unsuccesful.

- b

I've done it before its quite easy.

Don't like varsoon as usual.

What is he like usually? >_>

Oh yeah and I didn't like Andrius' entrance

Discuss

If you touch him, I'll crush you.

Back

Away

No sudden movements

My hands are up

Can we talk civilly

This is a beautiful exchange. <3


Congrats to Rach+NS!

Oh yeah and I didn't like Andrius' entrance

Discuss

I have wallphobia, so I had to skip it.

- b

You've seen nothing yet.

RachMarie has not voted. Do not like.

In other news, we can lynch TMTOLBTWNTOF whenever you guys are ready to.

Wait what.
But Sven! And varsoon!

Oh, right, time zones. Derp. Sweden is cool.

I don't like rach's entrance either. She was VLA when she came into my first newbie game as town, and still was pretty aggressive on naming reads. Here it feels like she's avoiding nailing down her positions exactly.

Exactly this.

orc is town btw.

I have like, no meta on anyone in this game so all of that will have to be explained to me.
'Sides Nacho.

Varsoon isn't scum.

Please explain.
All I get from him is "im not town".

the mollie slot is town.

Andi cool to play a game with you could you post some town and scum game links for me? Since I have never played with you? ATM though sheeping Nacho on you till I get a more solid feel since he seems to know you better gamewise.

Um.
Ok. Sheeping Nacho when it comes to reads on me is always a great idea. If I'm scum he will know, if I'm town he will know... almost always.


Strategy Mafia One of my better scumgames. Still a bit old.
Brightest Day Mafia Cultgame, so its not exactly useful since I was pretty much public-knowledge mafia the entire game.
Newbie 1285 I was town, Nacho was town. We almost bickered to a loss. Almost. My most recent completed game.
I really haven't played games for awhile besides the newbie- the other two are from mid 2011.

Andrus, 199: GET OUT OF MY HEAD.

..?
Ghostlin is town.

Oh uh Andrius needs to post more because apparenlty my read on him is out of sync with everyone else's

I know, I know.
I do best when I play with the flow of the game, so catching up is a pain.
Also every time I hit F5 there's another page so that sucks.

varsoon suddenly has content. And holy shit reads.

Unvote

Like holy fuck this page is being DOMINATED by him.

Ghostlin, orc, varsoon all town.
Mac is making me scratch my head.

seriously guys this is how i remember ghostlin playing. he's doing fine. especially given a halfdozen players have added 20 pages where they shouldnt be so yeah um can we stop that

God dammit I have a super busy day and I end up 20 pages behind. First, specifics:

No but actually, why the vote, just because he only posted a few times then went raido silent?

Indeed, why him specifically and not any of the other players who jumped in early and then disappeared.

Look at the timing of these posts.
All in about 15m he goes from "having a Skype meeting" to "reinforcing he's in a meeting" "meeting ended".
I point this out because
a) why is he posting in a meeting
b) they're all in very close proximity.

Good point. Attention to detail makes me think Andy is town.

...WHY WOULD YOU CLAIM THAT
WHY, AS TOWN, WOULD YOU CLAIM THE OTHER PART OF YOUR ROLE THIS EARLY

I agree with Nacho- I expected a bit more out of Sven than "hi I have three votes and am now claiming more of my role while it is both unnecessary and uncalled for". As scum there is no motivation to do this.
As scum the only reason for doing this is to claim to stay alive but there REALLY isn't this much pressure on his this early.

This. If Svenkst is scum, I will be shocked.

Oh, that's what I did in a different game. Don't worry so much about that, Orcinus. I'll be playing pretty regular town today with a bit of sleuthing if I find time for it.

...This in no way contradicts your entrance into the game.

@GIF: I know it's okay to link, I'm just saying that I don't like meta. How a player was/what their role was in another game shouldn't be a defense for them in this game.
Their play should be a defense for them in this game.

No. Most players have consistent patterns in how they play town or scum, and it is valid to use knowledge of how other people tend to play different roles to get reads on them. It would be stupid not to.

Varsoon is town too.

Why. You said you are good at reading him, so I would like your reasoning here.

253 is a really strong argument.

358 going to cover this entire engagement in a paragraph.

Varsoon isn't scum.

Yay, another person who can tell me why he's town. Oh, Beauty and the Beast agrees. I'm not seeing it.

GiF needs to post MORE

Why?

Rach wins worst comment for suggesting ANYONE needs to post more.

There are plenty of us who need to post more. There are players who still have 0 for content.

For some reason I feel like I'm invisible every time I'm playing mafia. :T
What do?

What is the point of posting this?

I'd prefer to leave other games out of the discussion of this game because people should be judged solely on their performance in this game to find their alignment in -this- game.
You mentioned not liking meta-defenses earlier, I figure you'd actually understand where I'm coming from with this.

Dat misrep. He was referring specifically to not liking meta defenses on meta that doesn't exist in response to a point I had made about Sven's claim. Here:

It's stupid because "oh because he doesn't have a meta of fake claiming miller so this miller claim must be real!" makes a surprising amount of nonsense. Sven's meta wrt miller claims shouldn't be considered when evaluating it.

Oh, and meta is still a useful tool. You're opposition to it is baffling and seems scum-motivated. Scum start out with more information than town, town should be using every tool available to level the playing field. Meta analysis of players is one of those tools.

and they calll me a spammer

VOTE: ghostlin

Care to explain? Cite specific evidence, not just his entire corpus. I don't see the scumminess in there.

I rescind all my claims of BROscum.
He's a true bro.
Also town.
And he thought Varsoon was scum.

Someone neighborize me please.

...this thread exploded.
I'll catchup manana, focusing on another game before sleep tonight.

Questions for You, Andrius:
Do you think TD is scum? Why or why not?
Who are your top three town reads? Why?
Do you think the artificial length of this game is a legitimate threat to town, and, if so, do you think it is a construction on scum's behalf?

I honestly don't remember because of all the posts. Let me dig through the post I'm writing up.
Oh, I have a slight townread because she had good reasoning for her early votes/swaps.
NACHO, orc, mollie. Obv reasons are obv.
If you mean "artificial length" to mean the shitton of pages, then yes. Um, no because the more active people are my townreads.

I haven't seen a TD post in awhile and there are alot of TD votes so maybe I'm missing something?

AJ the epic is slightly townread.
I do like the content he offers but his posting is not very... i cant find the word. iffy.

Do not like MetalSonic's vote on BB.

2's posting has devolved significantly.

Does rachmarie ever vote?

Sven's quiet does not add to my townread of him.

gif,

I will never lynch GiF.

Careful, the last time you made a promise like this it didn't hold.


EH I'm not seeing TD scum right now.

You know, if we lynched 2 we'd probably save TONS of digital trees in posts and pages.

Unvote, Vote: 2

...this thread exploded.
I'll catchup manana, focusing on another game before sleep tonight.

Andyyyyy

I'm hereeeee! <33
Honestly if you just want me to vote with you I'll do that as long as I agree.
Though I'll stay caught up at this point so that'll help. LOADS.

HOW DOES ANYONE SEE GHOSTLIN AS SCUM


the guy with the allcaps TEHETHQERHEH name is rather quiet. do not like.

671, Orc: I don't know if I've ever played with Andrius, but I've read some of his games and he seems more..prolific than this.

Yeah, I know I've seen you in games (VV's) but I'm not sure we've ever been in a game together.
Yes, I fell behind. I'll be in the front now with Nacho. ONWARD TO VICTORY

sajin is town
TWOBBLEWOBBLE is posting but not responoding or voting
and then suddenly reads
with 2 scumreads
awesome

[Andrius]

Disjoined catchup post looks horrible, reads a little less badly.

[Andrius]

Yeah I figured it out as I read.

[Andrius]

She explained her reasoning, explained the unvote, and the new vote.
More than most of the votes here can attest for.

[Andrius]

Yes.

[Andrius]

I've done it before its quite easy.

Teach me!

- b

Um you just claim scum.
Then they lynch you. gg

andy don't go away

I want to close to you

really close

(>^.^)>?

[Andrius]

I like Andrius' re-entry. It's a breath of fresh air as far as reading goes, and gives pretty good insight to where Andrius is in the whole scheme of things. Town, that is.

Thank you.

Can we agree on a major scum-suspect for D1? We've got about 12 more days left, but I'd really like to come to a common consensus on who is on the most scum-lists.

No need to rush, we have plenty of time, and players to get in here.

Why?

Because he's Ghostlin, and this is how he towns.

Cadb and Rach are both adding noise without really contributing much. Slight scumreads for both.

I'd normally agree on Rach, but apparently this is how she does so I'm willing to let this go (for now). Being all BITCH PLS POST OR DIE is silly at this point.

(Andrius convinced me that miller/tracker is PLAUSIBLE.)

Its a sign of good modding- negative utility roles for town. Millers hurt the effectiveness of Cops, etc.
Signs of a good mod- creative balancing.

Yeah feel good about Andy he can definitely stay in the town pile.

Thank you.

If I was modding a game with 20 players my setup would be likely 4-5 scum, Rach. But it could be higher, depending on how stacked town is with PRs.

No.
More than 5 scum on one team would be rough, even with :townpower:

If anything, one large team or two smaller teams.

...I hate fake dayvigs. If you're going to do it, do it where it's actually BELIEVEABLE.

Like,

DayKill: bork

is only so good. This game has flavor, so something like

Monado Buster: bork

would be more expected and legit.

Svenskt Stål has requested replacement.

...the hell
If this is his second time doing this, I'd be very wary, as a mod, to let him join my games in the future.

Somebody explain to me how the hell replacing out is a town tell, I REALLY don't see it.

Depends on circumstances.

RM still not voting frustrates me but w/e I'll deal with it.

Spoiler: long quote

@Ghost: Do you really find letters scummier than other players that you have scumreads on? Scummier than the other players who are currently under pressure? What is your current read on Varsoon?

First question: Yes and no. He's not the worst offender, no doubt about that, but he's responded pretty poorly to pressure. And no one's called him on it.

My biggest thing right now is he's posted a reads list, called a number of people varying degrees of scum and hasn't even bothered to place a single vote yet. That's not just fence sitting, that's extreme fence sitting. He should be getting an ass rash from the board so far up his butt.

He's willing to call me and others scummy, but isn't willing to back it up with any kind of stance.

And it's frustrating me that the only other player that sees it:

1) is someone I'm completely ambivalent on my read of
2) thinks I'm scum.

A lot of people on my scum list are people who are gliding through this game. I'll own that right now. I also see no need to accelerate any wagon at this point with the amount of time left in the game. And my reads haven't changed a whole lot because of that, but I'll talk about a read I'm struggling with in the next part of this post.

Question 2: Yes, Letters is scummier than most other players under pressure. He's scummier than me, for example. AJ's got a bit more history to his reads, for example, and I don't think we'll get more out of TD. (Who I don't get muitiple player's reads on, but OK.) I'm not really contemplating either hydra for scum, not a lot has stuck out about either one of them that's makes me go 'wow, that's incredibly scummy.' He may not have been worse than Sven under pressure, but Sven was the type of bad (note I didn't say scummy) that only town can be that orgasmically, horribly bad.

Question 3: Are you in for a fucking treat. I'm going to let you in my head. There are two things warring here. Town reads and scum reads.

The town reads are that Vashoon seems to be an attention whore, being in the middle of everything. He's hard to ignore (even though Orc faked shooting him) and generally if you're annoying and kind of attention whorish, you tend to be town.

The second read is his love of reaction tests. I don't like reaction tests. Generally, they crap up the thread and you lynch someone who's innocent. I can give you at least one good example of reaction test gone horribly wrong. Generally, however, the people who execute them are Town, however I'm sure scum love their fallout because there's nothing better to scum than a lynch on a player that might not fucking suck.

However, the majority of the time, they're executed by players who are predominately Town.

On the OTHER side of the street, he does things that aren't in Town's interest or don't help Town scum hunt at fucking all.

The Orc reaction test in 676, 678, 679 did nothing but confirm one player's alignment and potentially was an attempt to discredit a protown player was leading Town. Now, I'm a fan of PoE as much as the next guy, but confirming townies is not as good as finding scum. And since Orc 'passed' the test, scum know at least one protown player they can shoot at. (Also, at the end of the day, we only have Vashoon's word that pushing Orc was a reaction test.)

He went on a clip about how awesome it would be to be a dayvig--which is not right reaction to being shot. He should of posted reads. Yes, Orc's 'shot' seems a bit obvious, but why would you leave anything to fucking chance?

His last post is crap, and he's said things like 'if Ghostlin was here, I'd vote him'. When has that stopped anyone from voting anyone, particularly since the number of people who magically appear after their name is mentioned?

He is, at the moment, still leaning scum for me, but I don't think he's the play of the day unless we get closer to deadline.

Here's why: There are people who are active lurking, and lurking (and not scum hunting) that scum will happily keep around for us so we can hit conversation roadblocks and generally be as fucking useless as herpes in the last days of the game. Day 1 is a good time to find an active lurking scum and hang him, hence my obsession with that and letters.

Vashoon is unlikely to ever shut up. Particularly if it pisses off Orc, which has seemed to be the primary goal of his game up until now. I don't particularly want him around, but there are other fish we can be frying.

Ghostlin is town.

Not sure how I feel about Mac.

I don't have reads on andy and sajin because I havn't had time to look into the content of their posts, nor have I talked to f about her reads on them yet. I'm in the middle of exams and will be for the next month or so.

False, you read enough into mine to hear about the "claiming scum" deal.

Ok I was going to decide whether to claim miller or not after I'd read, but I see my predecessor already has.

Confirm I am miller.

You just scumslipped.

Am I missing something?

Here, have my flavour too... Tyrea, Colonist Aligned Miller Tracker.

First, welcome to the game.
Second, TYREA. <333

Miller claim makes sense from flavor. Tracker is eh.
The only thing that is important is she is a Miller because she tried to kill a main character in the game, but wound up helping out later on.

Yo 'Jiffy. You have a read on me yet?
Hint: I'm town; don't make me 1v1 Nacho again pls.

[Andrius]

Finally, I just received my copy of Xenoblade Chronicles in the mail today so I'll be dumping a lot of time into that. >_>

[Andrius]

No you're doing fine.
Carry on good sir.

You're fulfilling your place in the Triumvirate nicely.

[Andrius]

Your predecessor claimed Miller Tracker before he went out. I could see you claiming Miller as town Miller Tracker, sure. I could not see you playing the whole "I don't care if I'm lynched today" if you were also a power role on top of the miller aspect, though. I also didn't like that you had excuses for the late Miller claim after replacing in.

Here's your explanation, Andrius.
Resolved, however.

Eh, I disagree.
Upon replacing in the first thing I'd claim- in that slot, would be Miller.
He probably didn't know he had already claimed Tracker and replacing in D1 I wouldn't assuming that my replacee had claimed.

Yo 'Jiffy. You have a read on me yet?

I figured I'd leave you to Nach-

Hint: I'm town; don't make me 1v1 Nacho again pls.

No, I don't have a read on you.

Fair enough?

I don't like MS. Sorry.

See the problem with THESE hydras is they're not posting AS A HYDRA. Generally you discuss reads in private and come across as a unified front. I don't want two different sets of lists coming from the same slot because you can disagree and whatnot.
Hydras are for COOPERATION, not to shove two players into one slot and have them both post seperately.

I don't like the inconsistencies in the hydra's reads for this reason.

I also will never lynch you.
But seriously, keep me to that promise please because i'm usually right when i say things like that >.>

<3

Don't like how Nacho thinks most of my scumreads are town but w/e Triumvirate.

False, you read enough into mine to hear about the "claiming scum" deal.

I scan every post for the mention of us/me in case there is something I need to respond to. Are you aware of how much faster it is to identify a string of letters than to actually read the content of a post?

- b

That's actually how I do some rereads.

I COULD be swayed on TD_scum I just don't see it at the moment.
Just gonna leave that there because I'm willing to admit I'm wrong.

2 is a beautiful place to drop a vote at the moment.

why can't you be scum
i wanted to lynch you so badly

I know the feel.
But the guy I'm attached to I'll never be able to lynch. :/
Yeah the more that the hydras post the more I want them to actually BE A HYDRA before they post.

I skimmed the whole 700 page of wall


nacho town

freezerguy town

orc town

vassoon town

beautybeast town

mac town

tiphaine scum

sven troll

This post was made 15 minutes after saying he'd catch up with the last 30 pages.

Yeah um yeah.

@ nacho & mac

what would you do if I told you that I was now 95% certain that 2 is scum and that aj is their scumbuddy? would you trust it?

I'd trust you but I need a minute to recalibrate considering you fucked my read of them to hell and back
i was reading buldey as scum until very recently where you were like "no. i don't see what you see." and now you are going to a 95% read
you're killing me

I'm sorry.

I will explain everything postgame. pretty sure rev is the scum tracker and I know you are not going to like this but I really do think the 4th one is andy.

...I do appreciate the irony in calling me #4.
Nacho might get it.

BROs lack of a vote isn't scummy, a lot of people in MS don't use their vote liberally (

I also belong to a different era than most of the players in this game.
Voting without reasoning is scummy.
Outsourcing votes is worse.
Worse than that is having no scumreads.

Very slow on giving town reads. Mollie and I werent given a town read until post 500. I feel like it should have been earlier.

lol- I'm never short on townreads. You might forget that my posts are fairly well broken up by tons of pages.

Again, going to take another step back. I feel good about the town block.
AJ is scum. 2 is scum. TMT is scum. MS could be scum, Rev could be scum.

plz lynch in the order of aj <--- rev <--- and then hopefully you will get to the point where you will want to lynch andy. you don't have to vote him just keep the focus.

Out of curiosity, is this jiffy or mollie?
Not signing posts is confusing.

cos why would someone distance themselves from andy.

Because they can't get near me with Nacho here.
You also forget the biglongpost was catchup, so yes saying things that have already been said does happen when you're behind.

he is blatantly cosying up to you, parroting what has mostly already been said, said he thinks I might be competent, I mean who does that then sheeps my read. my first gut reaction was "scary scum will be impossible to get lynched" but I know we will need more than that.

mollie
when people call you scummy for buddying up to you, it's stupid because we're friends and we trust each other
andy and I have the same dynamic
he trusts you because of my interaction with you
if you lynch him and he flips town, i'm going to meltdown

Pretty much this.
The best part of this is that Nacho is guaranteed to read me correctly, so when he says I'm town I'm town and I trust everything he says.
Sadly, I can't read him nearly as good as he can me.

mollie, you're town because of you/him interactions and because he's vouching for you. The day he dies I reevaluate you.

Ghostlin, varsoon still town.
AJ still eh.
MS still needs to die.

orc still town.

...still don't understand Rach's playstyle or how she is town AT ALL but as long as there are people here to defend it I'll try and hold


Vote holds at the moment.

[Andrius]

andrius town

broseidon leaning town

ghoslin leaning town

2, nacho varsoon cabd strong town

...and the scum?

[Andrius]

@Andrius: Rach's always really distant from the game and doesn't ever really post a whole lot. It's hard to read her, imo.

On a scale of 1-10 how involved in actual game events is she?
(Not posting or talking to people, actually reading the thread, giving reads, voting, analyzing.)

i might be slow on this one

OHHHHHHH

<3

No worries Andy... most peeps see me as scumz no matter what my alignment is.

Its more frustration that you're not doing much regardless and this is your meta.

So, the gambit we were all waiting for breaks

site wide rules

(it's there), and involves

setup speculation

, which the mod should of taken care of.

If I wasn't inclined to believe this is just really bad play regardless of alignment, I'd call it scummy to try to get someone modkilled.

I don't have MS leaning town. He's probably the weakest of my scum reads. buldermar's read is stronger. the observation about 30 pages in 15 minutes was a moment of whoa for me. I am a pretty fast reader, but I can't touch that reading a game thread.

He's not reading, but that's pretty normal for him.

...how is the town meta suddenly one of "people who don't read/post/vote/contribute are town"?

Did I miss something?

If so does that make you scum for doing the opposite? D:

wrong.

- f

So, then, who is scum?

TMT. Setting aside that horrible waste of a meta dive that Nacho provoked and just looking at his posts in this game, I think AJ is scum. MS is leaning scum for me, but buldermar thinks he's solid scum. My 4th would be TD. I'd give Nacho more weight on that one but between him letting me flounder around in old Aj games and having a shit read on us this game, I don't think I'll be weighing his read all that heavily wrt to my own reactions to TD's posts.

- f

this is weak cos you are not trying to find the head before the ass

you are going after low hanging fruit

Who is this because this is the second time I've agreed with you this page.

andrius town

broseidon leaning town

ghoslin leaning town

2, nacho varsoon cabd strong town

...and the scum?

trajectory??? who brought Calculus into a mafia game

I am not liking AJ and I think it is time to lay down a vote...

VOTE: AJ

he is my top scumspect. He is not looking at everyone and yeah not much meat there just a few points on a few peeps.

omg what is this a vote?
Not a bad spot but not great either.

Third paragraph of 1785 is a scum claim.

He's making himself sound unthreatnening, pandering to town interest, after forgetting that his counterpart claimed tracker/miller he is now making sure that all take notice. There is just so much subtle deflection in this post it does the opposite for me.

The paragraphs above are saying wifom is ok and not a big deal while at the same time inspiring a whole load of it is also bad. These kind of tactics are the same i often use as scum to great effect, thus I can spot them.

"happy to try" "Prove my alignment" "curious" these words are still in the, "look at me I am a happy team playing townie" vein of speech. While maintaining the stance that he's not angry at anyone who thinks he is scum.

1793 is more of the same.

"Simply hoping you'd save me the bother"
"form my own read"

Every word out of this mans mouth is trying so damned hard to be town he cannot possibly be.

I am completely certain that MS is scum, however given that no on else is I'll lift my vote on him to vote reverend, I maintain that anytime anyone wants to vote ms I'll be right there with them.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: reverend

Yo I'd rather vote MS than Rev.
Rev's not claiming Tracker with Miller does not make him insta-scum.
It means he hasn't read the whole game before he posted.

12. Metal Sonic
15. Sajin
16. TheReverend Svenskt Stål
18. TiphaineDeath

the "need to sort out list"

Hint:
Scum
Town
Town
Town

^

Agreed.

Sort of liked this post because it was a connect with someone else who trolls around a lot.

nacho town

freezerguy town

orc town

vassoon town

beautybeast town

mac town

tiphaine scum

sven troll

varsoon still town

cabd quite town

ghostlin leaning town


rach town

sajin leaning town

aj the epic leaning scum

broseidon leaning scum too i guess

I'll give reasons after the posting dies down. 50 pages(1000+ posts) in 72 hours, please no its torturous



2 getting scummier

aj leaning town now

ghostlin town

mac stil town

reverend a+ slip contradiction strong

beast leaning town

andrius town

also good luck with reading john or whoever had to read 50 pages

cabd and guy in freezer very town right now

ok i just iso'd tiphaine

except for #901
the rest of his posts are shit

yep scum

VOTE: TiphaineDeath

TMT is a null-leaning-town

except for his atrocious name

andrius town

broseidon leaning town

ghoslin leaning town

2, nacho varsoon cabd strong town

What I see here is a blatant, blatant lack of opportunism. I think scum in Ms's position would be a *tiny* bit opportunistic, but nope.

You sir, have a point.
I don't exactly follow what you mean.

24 hours and it is from page 1 to page 31

Damn it.

I skimmed the whole 700 page of wall

god damn 16 pages in 8 hours

I'll give reasons after the posting dies down. 50 pages(1000+ posts) in 72 hours, please no its torturous

3 hours and only just 1 post

we're making progress!

This is definitely the feel of a townie who is struggling to keep up with the thread. I can see scumSonic left behind in thread and annoyed about it, but I'd expect him to use being behind as a bit of an excuse, but he hasn't at all ever. He just complains because the game goes too fast.

Nacho wins the thread.

Yeah Sajin is town.

aaaaaaand now the hydras are breaking down. :/

I kinsane see some scum influence on a few players here

Do share your insights with the class.

How am I in the scum pool? What have I said to make me scum?

Neither you nor jon have said anything that indicates town. Bit jumpy aren't you?

This is a gem from Rev.

Girl claim? Your profile says male! Obviously I'm not suggesting this is a scumtell, but it confuses me all the same.

Context, Rev.
Read the context.

Then fucking vote for me, you shit.

This is feigned anger. Yet another scum tell. Does anyone think he's actually pissed with me because I ran a case vs him? I don't see why he'd be pissed if he's town.

I'm like 95% sure we have scum here in varsoon. I'm certainly willing to put my vote there.

vote - varsoon

If town doesn't want to swing for varsoon, I think I like an AJ lynch over 2 for this reason...

@Orc: Man, what do you have against me? I'd rather be your friend.
Also, why bring up something like "AJ or Varsoon, the guy who sheeped him", when in 367 you do the same thing with your vote?
I feel like you're scum-slipping, and you're trying too hard to play town-leader.

Ummmmmm not sure if the anger thing is really worth the vote.
One OOC comment is generally not worth a death.

An AJ scum flip will look really bad for varsoon imo.

Wow, just wow.

vote varsoon

I hereby formally apologize rev, I think I was wrong about you.

This is a bad vote.

Suddenly MS has a massive wall. Not sure how to take this.

That said, I'm actually pretty confident that there's scum between our famous lurkers (Everyone with less post than the FUCKING MOD ((TD, TMT, Andrius, Sajin, dntfckingcare, Keybladeweilder))).

Apparently my earlier townread got thrown out for the lurkerscum category.
No, I'm not lurking.
I, uh, have been playing Xenoblade largely all weekend. >________________>
Also the only other game I'm in is high priority.
But yes, I am here, reading, and watching.
With so many people posting a ton I don't feel the need to go crazy myself.

Make sense?

Yeah, Ghostlin is town because he constantly posts reads with damn good support.

GiF's return post is bad and not contributuing anything.

Not sure if I'm in the townbloc or not but I support varsoon's proposition.



Holy shit 2 can you just post once with a massive wall? The MULTIPOSTS are taking up a WHOLE LOT OF SPACE/POSTS and reading through 3 pages of YOU is not helpful to game ease-of-reading.

[Andrius]

@Andrius, glad you agree with me on MS, unfortunately I don't think we can actually get a lynch on him today, so he gets to live.

Why is my vote a bad vote, reverend makes a convincing case, I can see why it makes sense. Rev's interaction with varsoon makes rev look town and var look scum.

We can do whatever we want.

BY THE POWER OF THE MONADOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I flinched because it reads like a really bad "what he said" justification of a vote. And then the apology after is eh.

Rach giving reads when asked is great and awesome.

andy

who are you

I want to talk to you

but you do not seem to want to talk to me

I'm Andrius Kairys Walker.

What do you want to talk about, whoeveryouare?

@andy: She's usually a 3 or a 4.

Fair enough. Thanks for the reply.

[Andrius]

That would be Mollie

It is part of how she scum hunts by interacting with people on a one to one basis to get a good feel for them. Unless she starts getting uber paranoid about someone, she does pretty good at reads. Also her other head is Jiffy, who is a lot more abrasive, more grammatically correct, and very good at being either scum or town. On his main he has the follow the flowchart thingy in his sig. Basically treat him like you would Thor..... He is more abrasive than Thor but plays a lot like him. The type of person you hope is town cause if he is scumz you are so screwed. But if he (like Thor) is still around later in the game especially at LYLO he is probably scumz...

That is how I read both him and Thor. So far it has worked pretty well.

The type of person you hope is town cause if he is scumz you are so screwed.

This is what my relationship with Nacho is. He reads me 100%; if he's scum I will probably never know.

It is part of how she scum hunts by interacting with people on a one to one basis to get a good feel for them. Unless she starts getting uber paranoid about someone, she does pretty good at reads.

k mollie lets go out for tea, you and me. We can get a table outside and look out over the harbor; we can chat about whatever you want and feel the sea breeze.

[Andrius]

I also strongly feel this is multiball. Mollie is still unsure.

I could see it going either way, not like it matters this early on.

[Andrius]

Babe I'm ok with lynching Andy if you're still feeling it. I could compile a fairly strong case.

Let me guess:
1) Not posting as frequently as he does in other games
2) Not being as useful as he is in other games
3) Sheeping Nacho moreso than in other games
4) Not doing his own individual thinking as much as he should
5) "Flirting" with mollie (or being REALLY condescending, depending on how you take my post)
6) "Lurking"
7) Thinking TD is town because she provided reasoning for one of her votes
8) Thinking that BROseidon is scum and then changing my mind after Nacho prompted a relook

In other news, I just made it to Eryth Sea. I forgot how beautiful this place is.

[Andrius]

In other news, I just made it to Eryth Sea. I forgot how beautiful this place is.

Damn you are truckin' along

Being unemployed/out of school is great in this regard.
This

is

the third time I've started this game, so I'm experienced up to this point.

I also strongly feel this is multiball. Mollie is still unsure.

I could see it going either way, not like it matters this early on.

I actually think it especially matters this early on. Multiball allows for scum to do legitimate scum hunting, which in turn makes it more difficult for town to identify scum.

- b

You actually bring up a fair point; something I overlooked.

Babe I'm ok with lynching Andy if you're still feeling it. I could compile a fairly strong case.

Let me guess:
1) Not posting as frequently as he does in other games
2) Not being as useful as he is in other games
3) Sheeping Nacho moreso than in other games
4) Not doing his own individual thinking as much as he should
5) "Flirting" with mollie (or being REALLY condescending, depending on how you take my post)
6) "Lurking"
7) Thinking TD is town because she provided reasoning for one of her votes
8) Thinking that BROseidon is scum and then changing my mind after Nacho prompted a relook

In other news, I just made it to Eryth Sea. I forgot how beautiful this place is.

1) Nope.
2) Nope.
3) Nope.
4) Nope.
5) Nope.
6) Nope.
7) Nope.
8) Nope.
[/quote]
Then I look forward to what you'll front against me.

mollie

so let's chat and enjoy a sunny day well I am just loving this breeze what do you think. let's get close. let's get real close. like I want you to push my limits.

Depends on how sunny; I'm more of an inclement-weather guy.

fwiw I didn't think you were being condescending. oh and I don't like tea that is why I am drinking an iced latte.

Alright, just making sure that there was no percieved malintent.

so what do you think of my posts so far?

I like your style and wish the mollie-to-jiffy post ratio was higher. (I'd also like you to tag your posts but whatever that doesn't matter as much.)

what did you think of that big long one I made to varsoon? it was kinda nice doncha think? I think I have some good points in there.

If you mean this one I think it was nice though if this is long I think I can deal with anything you post, length-wise.
You bring up a few great theory-side points such as 'town moves in groups', 'gambits give room to hide', etc. Its a solid post that is concise yet to the point.

so are you going to sheep nacho?

I'll do as I please. I don't sheep in the sense that I'll just follow his vote around wherever it goes but I'll take some of his reads and trust him on those, similar to how I'm trusting you on one (via Nacho). Yes, I'll listen to him and follow him but I'm not a blind sheep. Quiet, yes. Blind, no.

what do you think of my list of 2 and aj?

I can obviously see 2scum.
AJ scum will take a bit more convincing. Because I like where he's at right now. Not townbloc quality but.

if 1 of them is scum why would you want to lynch off of varsoon's list?

This list?

How does the 'town bloc' feel about lynching TD, TMT, or Metal Sonic today?

He asked a question, I responded. I'd be fine with it. I'm down with compromising. Yes I think other people are scum but I won't pull what other people pull and refuse to move off. The worst thing we can do is wait to deadline to sort out a lynch.
Actually, the worst thing we can do is wait til deadline for a lynch for

days in a row

.

cos didn't you like that post I made about the head before the ass?

I don't remember commenting on it but.

wrong.

- f

So, then, who is scum?

TMT. Setting aside that horrible waste of a meta dive that Nacho provoked and just looking at his posts in this game, I think AJ is scum. MS is leaning scum for me, but buldermar thinks he's solid scum. My 4th would be TD. I'd give Nacho more weight on that one but between him letting me flounder around in old Aj games and having a shit read on us this game, I don't think I'll be weighing his read all that heavily wrt to my own reactions to TD's posts.

- f

this is weak cos you are not trying to find the head before the ass

you are going after low hanging fruit

...I'm inferring that you think I'm the head here. (Or at least, jiffy does.)

so why are you wanting to munch on the ass?

Because a scum lynch is a scum lynch. We can't sit here and guess what role they'll have before the claim/flip (unless their name is Reverend) so one dead scum over another doesn't make a real difference numberwise. I'm all for going after the out-of-reach fruit, so to speak, but it only takes a few bad apples to ruin a bunch and the less bad apples the better. The longer the bad apples remain on the branch the heavier it gets until it snaps. We can lighten the load as we go.

I will sit here while you go inside and grab answers for that. I will wait for you. I will wait.

I'm not one to make you wait so this is as prompt as you're gonna get today.

Nacho is WAY too involved to be a SK.
I'm sorry but I don't see how that's great SK play unless he's BP and fairly confident the scum won't shoot him.

BRO is on the same logictrain as I am and I love that.

[Andrius]

Hey bork, do you mind adding an 'area' tag after the last mollie quote? Thanks.

[Andrius]

EBWOP: An '/area' tag.

[Andrius]

So uh... Usually i'd keep this to myself but it's setting off alarm bells in my gut.

B&B was able to speculate on both the setup and the power level of the game, but supposedly only has their own role card....

This worries me.

@anyone who has played with them before, do they always speculate that assuredly on setups?

You can infer a lot from only your role.

[Andrius]

VENMAR <33

[Andrius]

- Andy ( or anyone else ) how do you stand on Rach? Getting a slight gut scumread on her.

First game with her, interesting to watch. If people hadn't been calling this meta all day, I'd be reading way harder scum on her. She's passable town for now.

Sorry dear, I missed your response; getting to that now.

mollie

actually I am too! I have a dislike for sunlight as evidenced by my pasty white skin

<3 Inclement weather adds more character to a day than simply SUN EVERYWHERE which is just unrealistic and rather boring.
Though I do enjoy walks on the beach, though, in my experience those have generally cold rocky beaches up here in the north.

I was asking more about content wise and I thought I had been the one who was doing most of the posting! I am not big on capitalisation or punctuation. it is more random when I do it.

I

do

like the content. But that's boring and I infered we'd get to that later.

it is more random when I do it.

Really? Mine's more deliberate so if I get to the point where I nocaps and only use periods you'll know we're not all 8DDD anymore.

I guess I am just kind of surprised that you didn't comment on it at all until i asked you

There were a whole lot of posts and to find the one sometimes it takes awhile of looking and pursuing different posts until you find the one that's meant for you.
And sometimes I have to be beaten over the head before I see it.

I once sheeped all of nacho's reads in a game. he was scum and I knew he was scum and it was funny. you should ask him about it

You know, I'm not sure if I've ever been town where he's been scum and had it made a difference.

so even if nacho says he has a smoking gun that he can't talk about on aj you would still want to put aj in your town pile? what has aj done that is so town?

If Nacho asked me to I'd jump. Its a good read, but not strong enough. Besides, its Nacho.

Oh.

Smoking gun. Then yeah bye AJ hello Chekhov.
Though I do admit I've glanced over his last couple posts in the pursuit of other people.

okay. I just found it weird cos I listed a lynch list too and didn't comment on it and yet you commented on varsoon's which is composed of low hanging fruit.

His was in bold and at the bottom of his long post. Easily seen.
Afraid I missed yours (again).

I agree a scum lynch is a scum lynch but you have 2 down as a strong scum read so I am not understanding why you are not helping me push this instead of telling varsoon that you are willing to settle for his lynch choices when I don't think anyone in the "town bloc" is super interested in. orc, mac and nacho can correct me if I am wrong.

Its D1. I'm merely trying to convey the fact that I'm willing to compromise on lynches given there probably other ways to bust skulls around here.

100% agree about nacho. let's spend the rest of the game trolling majiffy by pretending that is the only thing he said.

<3 As you wish.

anyways you are not adding up so I am looking forward to your responses.

I don't add up well to begin with. I've been told that I take a bit of getting used to.

Ghostlin still town.
GiF read weakening.
Cabd will have to be read in more detail.

[Andrius]

Yeah um mollie is town.
And apparently scary when mad but doesn't mean I'm not curious.

Yeah um Venmar is town.

Don't like varsoon's jump to AJ but w/e.
Nacho went V/LA yesterday.

I'm starting to suspect we might have a lyncher/lynchee... but I'm not sure if that's the sort of thing that would be in a game like this. Would explain a lot though.

I could see it here

No stop doing this crap and contribute reads and whatnot.

Oh, my bad. That's better to know then. In that case BB's aggressiveness in tunneling just kinda makes it over the top.

Tunneling =/= Lyncher!

I'm starting to suspect we might have a lyncher/lynchee... but I'm not sure if that's the sort of thing that would be in a game like this. Would explain a lot though.

Please don't start with this. If there is 3rd party win condition should not affect town play ever. The victory condition for such a 3rd party will not end the game prematurely, and if it does I will lynch the mod in the post game.

Lynch based on scum play and town play and don't use this as a reason to doubt.


But hey out of curiosity what would a lyncher help explain?

Why BB

was

is tunneling 2 so damn hard that it hurts.

...

Really starting to not like 2 after these last few pages :/.

So on a continuum of scum<------------------>town where does he now fall for you?

[Andrius]

No meta on cabd; most of the players are new to me.

[Andrius]

cabd

Makes good early points, some things are off but not necessarily scummy.

Focus on offsite stuff. Not necesssarily scummy.

Cabd focus on Sven's replacing out is odd because he calls it weird and null but this doesn't influence his actual read on Sven much.

I could see the miller fitting with flavor maaaaaybe, but it's nothing definite.

...how is it not a miller-status role?
She's a perfect example, especially in a 1scumteam scenario.
In a twoscumteam scenario bork would get waaaaay more creativity points.

Seriously though, I'm impressed with this game thus far.
On a totally unrelated note, I'm getting the shit beaten out of me by that stupid dragon by that seal lighthouse thing. >_>

Don't like his focus on roles in #1830. Doesn't mean its scummy. Similar to how Rach's behavior would clock in at SCUMMY if she weren't known for this.

His #2026 is great and a concise catchup to the main points.

At this point, he's town.

Spoiler: Multiball Argument

For the last time, its possible both ways.

Either Z---- and Company as the sole scumteam, E--- and the Mechon as the sole scumteam, or multiball with both of their teams. (In a crazy game the latter would be way more awesome because there's so much Miller/Godfather potential there from the mod-side of the game.)

k I'm done.

His 2314 and 2321 are good posts.

I really don't get what he thinks is going on in 2340 but whatever not important.

I'm starting to suspect we might have a lyncher/lynchee... but I'm not sure if that's the sort of thing that would be in a game like this. Would explain a lot though.

...you just said we'd stop speculating now...

The moment someone tunnels you doesn't mean they're a lyncher.

I was going to say SCUMPOINTS, but then again a scumlynchee is weird and not often seen (for good reason) so eh. Thought this was scummy, not sure how valid it is.

Cabd getting fired up is town.

By the way, deadline is approaching.

[Andrius]

DRINK SCOTCH WHISKY, ALL NIGHT LONG

You are one classy man. Can we be friends?

[Andrius]

AJ

AJ's first post is a great entry post.

Focus on TD and ignoring the issue of millertracker is also town.

Don't see scum_AJ arguing with towngod_Nacho regarding a TD lynch this early on.

AJ's posting is strong and consistent.

AJ does no sheeping, all original work, and isn't afraid of shit.

Spoiler: A Note on the Miller-Tracker Claim

One way to tone down town power, as a mod, is to give it negative utility. Millers mean more people investigate as scum; more townies are under threat of getting lynched. Good modding. Now, putting the Miller

modifier

on a Tracker

ability

means that bork is putting more thought into this in the sense that since, as we've stated, usually Millers are vigbait, attaching the Miller modifier to a Tracker will make town second-guess shooting him solely because of the miller claim.

However, on the flipside, this makes a good scumfakeclaim and while I believe that a Miller claim would have been sufficient, the same holds true as a scum fakeclaim/actual role; it will make any vig second-guess their shot.

And while Tyrea isn't exactly my first choice for Tracker, it makes good sense from a mod POV.

Dayvig analysis op and town.

Like seriously, 1291 is a great example of AJtown doing legwork. 1787, 1974, 1978 are other great posts.


AJ providing a catchup for Venmar is a townmove.

AJ is town.
Deal with it.

[Andrius]

I'm taking requests for readblocs.
B2B, Nacho, and 2 are all out of the question because of their sheer postcount.

[Andrius]

...Tyrea's the chick Reverend claimed to be.

[Andrius]

Alright. For lack of a better term, and forgive me, I'm trying to work this shit out since I've not played the game: It looks like she starts out as a boss, but you can do stuff with her that makes her a...quasi good guy? later. Which explains the Miller. I'm not going to assume what the Tracker might mean, might not mean, in the form of the setup.

tl;dr Miller makes sense.


Bummer how all of B2B's scumreads are my townreads. And me.
Oddly enough, reading me as scum is a towntell for other people.

Can't say I'm sorry you don't get my style, mollie.
Can't say I'm happy about it either.

[Andrius]

Nevermind that was 'jiffy.

Signing posts to distinguish which half of the hydra is which is op.

[Andrius]

the recent one was majiffy's list and you could tell cos he said

mollie disagrees with them

. so there is no way you could have thought that list was mine.

There was, apparently. Definitely because of my *lack of* reading skills.

[Andrius]

[Andrius]

^This post, makes me want to facepalm so fucking hard, I would break my forhead^

[Andrius]

^This post, makes me want to facepalm so fucking hard, I would break my forhead^

Thanks for being civil, cool, and pointing out what you might not like about the post and how it factors into the game.

Ok so here's how this works.
This is a game we call mafia.
Generally, a shitload of townies die during this game, and a good deal of them are lynched/killed/shot/stabbed/took a MONADOOOOOOOOOOO to the face by other townies.


K let's break this post down:

varsoon, 2646

I hope you see what I meant by saying I'm a weaker voice, at least, by now.

Are you complainnig about having a weaker voice? If so,

do something to have a stronger voice.

If you're happy with having a weaker voice then great; one more townie who's fine with getting by with little.

@Rach: I guess I might've thought you were scum once, but in most of my games, the first big wagon that's being pushed at the end of D1 is one that I feel is town, but that the rest of the players really want to lynch.

...don't get me started on lynching people I think are town. Nacho should get this.
But a compromise is never a bad thing D1; I've seen some stupid lynches go down D1 (Nacho and I lynched a Mason D1 once, we lynched MagnaofIllusion D1 once just so he couldn't be killed N1). I'm not sure why you're complaining but it comes off as a "oooooooh woe is meeeeeee they don't listen to my scumreads because im not giving a strong enough voice boohoo i guess ill have to lynch who they want to lynch they so mean"

Very whiny.
Not necessarily scummy, (but yes) but its annoying as hell.

I'unno, maybe one day, people will listen to me.

Didn't we just go over this?

I think 2 is town.
But we've only got 3 days.
I don't wanna vote 2.
But there's a chance I'm wrong and 2's scum.
So
I don't know what to think.
I think 2's a better town player if 2 is town than most of you guys.
But this -is- a game with 20 players.
We can mislynch a few, I think.
I don't wanna.
But we can.

More complaining against a lynch he doesn't like.
boohoo townies have to die.
No one here is complaining about having to go through town bodies-

like we do every game

- to lynch scum and win the game.

[Andrius]

I don't.
1) Mathematically, everyone here has a greater chance of being town than scum
2) Mathematically, town is lynched D1 more often than scum
3) I'm writing to him and his perspective. He thinks 2 is town? Great, I'll write as though 2 is town.
4) Like we do every game, we lynch people who we think are scum and turn out to be town.
5) He says "we can mislynch a few" implying that he is actually okay with lynching town (except 2) but "I don't wanna".

Well the minute you can pinpoint who all the scum are so we can lynch them and do a perfect game let me know but until then I'll be waiting for the Rains of Castamere.

[Andrius]

I think Sajin's town. Him being aggressive =/= scum.

In other news, I just got to Valak Mountains and am thoroughly lost.

[Andrius]

@Andrius' 2659


You couldn't sound more like a stuck-up, condescending person.
People like you are why I don't want to play mafia on this site.

Regardless, 2 is town.
You could push through the 2 lynch or, you know, actually lynch someone who's likely scum AND actively doing work that is causing town misdirection, etc.

If you think

I

am a stuck-up, condescending person, let this serve as a warning should you choose to stay on the site; the site that I know and love

d

was full of stuck-up, condescending people. But I loved them. I'm merely the remnant of a time long gone when VRK, Kinetic, and MeMe ran the queues and mith was on-site.

Yes, I am condescending. But I cannot be proactive without being blunt.

2 is doing plenty to "actively cause town misdirection". You are too. Your fencesitting and waffling on this whole "do I actually have to lynch someone who may be town" is actually a detriment as its not helping and you're not really proposing a solution to the problem. I want to lynch 2. You don't. You don't provide a solution and only complain. :/

"Do something to have a stronger voice"

I'm going to stash this with ones like
"You're poor? Just make a million dollars"
or
"You're depressed? Just be happy, idiot."

The authority of voice in this game is deferred to people with a majority of games played on this site.
It isn't as if I can build that sort of credibility in one post.

No, its deferred to those who actually post and contribute.
My voice didn't matter before I started posting and contributing.
Nacho wouldn't matter if he didn't post.

Our perceptions may be different but there is only one reality.
You see the people with tenure as having a greater say.
I see it as the people who post and contribute having the say.
We can go into Day Two here with me posting once every 3 days and see who has more say; I guarantee you it won't be the guy who will be called out for lurking and posts every 72 hours.

[Andrius]

Varsoon is still town, BTW.
Read is shakier, but I still see most of this coming from a scum mindset.

Besides, if what he says he actually believes, scum_varsoon wouldn't want to pick a fight with someone with years of tenure who apparently has way more say than he ever will.

[Andrius]

coming from a town mindset*

[Andrius]

@Andy: Not really a cool response, but whatever. I'd rather not talk about the way authority works in this game, or on this site, or how people play on this site, because it just leads to me being frustrated.

As far as doing other things, I've pushed for an AJ lynch.
Dude's really scummy.
However, should 2 flip town, does anyone think there's scum on 2's wagon?
Andrius, orcinus_theoriginal, Nachomamma8, BROseidon, Sajin, BeautyAndTheBeast, Mac, GuyInFreezer, TheReverend is the pool for it as of last mod post.

AJ is town.
Try again.

...
It would take 11 to lynch 2.
Chances are, there are scum on the wagon regardless of its alignment.
Looking at those names, however, makes me wonder where they are.
I mean, its entirely possible its a completely town wagon as there isn't enough steam to get CHOOCHOO ITS GONNA HAPPEN so scum aren't sure if they need to bus yet but.
I am confident most of those are town. Scum are in the latter half of the voters.

[Andrius]

..I explained AJ a few pages ago.

AJ

AJ's first post is a great entry post.

Focus on TD and ignoring the issue of millertracker is also town.

Don't see scum_AJ arguing with towngod_Nacho regarding a TD lynch this early on.

AJ's posting is strong and consistent.

AJ does no sheeping, all original work, and isn't afraid of shit.

Spoiler: A Note on the Miller-Tracker Claim

One way to tone down town power, as a mod, is to give it negative utility. Millers mean more people investigate as scum; more townies are under threat of getting lynched. Good modding. Now, putting the Miller

modifier

on a Tracker

ability

means that bork is putting more thought into this in the sense that since, as we've stated, usually Millers are vigbait, attaching the Miller modifier to a Tracker will make town second-guess shooting him solely because of the miller claim.

However, on the flipside, this makes a good scumfakeclaim and while I believe that a Miller claim would have been sufficient, the same holds true as a scum fakeclaim/actual role; it will make any vig second-guess their shot.

And while Tyrea isn't exactly my first choice for Tracker, it makes good sense from a mod POV.

Dayvig analysis op and town.

Like seriously, 1291 is a great example of AJtown doing legwork. 1787, 1974, 1978 are other great posts.


AJ providing a catchup for Venmar is a townmove.

AJ is town.
Deal with it.

[Andrius]

Is stubbornness a scumtell?

[Andrius]

MELIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Not as bad as fucking game of thrones tonight, but still.
MELIAAAAAAAA

Also Reverend died like I hoped he would, but I'm a bit surprised it was by a

face mechon

, which probably means 2 scumteams.

YEAH UM YEAH 2 SCUM
YEAH
VARSOON WHAT NOT
WHAT
NOW

Vote: varsoon

Because yeah wishywashy defense of 2.

Nacho you've been rather unloved lately but you've also been away right before deadline.

Sajin is town because he's Sajin.

This is what my relationship with Nacho is. He reads me 100%; if he's scum I will probably never know.

That's how things should be.

...
Why does this make me feel uneasy? D:

noooooooooooooooooo

whyyyyyyyy

WHY IS MELIA A VANILLA?????????????????????????????????????/


bork what is this flavor mismatch

Same reason Tyrea's a Tracker.
Its good modding.

what is a mechon mask

Scum.
Unless there's another miller claim but we're a bit late for that.

nacho what do you think of andy

stop please
andy is my ray of sunlight and the love of my life
you would be my ray of sunshine but you didn't even skim my catchup posts for your name

No one can come between us. <3

Wait what's with the sudden AJ wagon?
Did I miss some important information?

[Andrius]

Faced Mechon are aligned with Mechonis.
UNLESS,

Spoiler: the 'big' face spoiler

Unless its Mumkhar running around as SK or Fiora/Gadolt vig in a twisted sort of way but

No no, I loved the AGoT episode, I just mean it was bad as in sad for anyone who loves house

Stark

.

[Andrius]

...wagon requires 11/20 players.
Good chance that in HALF the playerlist, there's at least ONE scum.

[Andrius]

Nope. Nice try jiffy.
I'm personally thinking the second half of the wagon; scum bussing once they realize that 2 can't be saved.

Sorry nacho, but depending on how things play out today I might start shipping Mollie-Andy

Bummer- part of me was looking forward to killing jiffy tonight.
Guess that frees up my nights for the other half of the hydra.

No one can come between us. <3

Wait what's with the sudden AJ wagon?
Did I miss some important information?

don't you talk like this to me andylove
don't you dare talk to me like this

Ask of me, and I shall follow thee.
But I don't see it. Sorry. Its not strong like another D1 lynch we know of but I do hold my read.

You are an idiot for claiming and your anger looks incredibly untownie

Ghostlin and I are neighbors

..Um, now you're what the fucking me. No, literally, you're dropping acid..

I didn't even barely softclaim that; you presumed I was talking about you.

How, I might as well fucking confirm it. We are fucking neighbors.

I am so jealous.

[Andrius]

Still jealous.

[Andrius]

...wagon requires 11/20 players.
Good chance that in HALF the playerlist, there's at least ONE scum.

it's the majority of my townblock
let's not hunt off the wagon today, okay?

Can't delay it forever.
But I'll respect your decision.

I still think Sajin is town. The post defecit is noteworthy, but not enough.
...And then Ghostlin's post is making me reconsider the read.

I'm always up to looking. Talk to me.

Yeah all I ask is to take a look at

motivation

.

Mollie, your other head seems to hate me with a passion.

I know the feeling.

Nope. Nice try jiffy.
I'm personally thinking the second half of the wagon; scum bussing once they realize that 2 can't be saved.

andy.

my skin is really soft and I smell nice how come you can't tell when you are talking to a girl

I think you can

meh. venny looks like a derp hammer and the L1 vote looked natural.

so who are you thinking. varsoon? I don't think so.

how you are not scumreading aj. like you are really working hard at it

...mollie has tagged her name in her posts in the past.

Because I'm not? I outlined why and telling me im working really hard doesn't cut it.

So, I am split on AJ. Don't get me wrong, I still believe AJ is town, but my townreads ( namely Nacho ) believe AJ to be scum, which makes me doubt my own read

This sums up my thoughts quite well.

...no one can match my catchup posts.
Magua can't even read them.

also andy you owe me quality time

Sorry, I've been busy moving a friend out of the apartment/in to the house so I've been busy all day/tomorrow too.
Though I feel like I have visited with you a bit, I'm down for more quality time. How do you want to spend it?

why is nacho posting weird stuff about andy

xD

More tomorrownight/Wednesday; I'm doing Pt.II of moving tomorrow so we'll see how long that takes.

[Andrius]

Nacholove I'm here
Are you?

[Andrius]

predit: ohai yes you are

You have my undivided attention, save for catching up on the last two pages

[Andrius]

2. Aj The Epic - bad
3. Andrius - good
4. BeautyAndTheBeast - good
5. BROseidon - good
6. Cabd - good
7. Venmar - good
8. Ghostlin - good
9. GuyInFreezer - good
10. Ser Arthur Dayne - bad
12. Metal Sonic - good
13. orcinus_theorigina - good
14. RachMarie - good
15. Sajin - good
17. Nachomamma8 - good
18. TiphaineDeath - good
19. spinachattack - bad
20. Varsoon - good

Here's where I lie. Where do we differ?

Yes we do; just a bit.

2. I still think AJ is town even if jiffy wants to bust my balls over the read. (Honestly I don't think he's scum for it, I just think he's trying to divine whether or not

I'm

scum by pressuring my read to see if it holds under pressure.)
10. I think the keybladewielder slot is iffy at best. Seemed like a weak player, so the scumtells I did see could be coming from that line of town-logic but who knows. Still wonder about it though.
12. Iffy on MS.
19. Agree that spinachattack is bad.
20. VARSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON. Scummier than townier. The reaction was better than I expected. Going to look into 2's stuff and wagon analysis and whatnot since 2 was a major read for me so I now have to find a new kingpin to chase after.

Yes, I know there's a lack of scumreads here but 2 was my big one so I'm happy with that and need to reevaluate varsoon regarding the 2 wagon and that response.

[Andrius]

One more note.
jiffy makes me question that hydra at times though I trust your read in mollie, even if she doesn't trust me herself. Couple bumps here and there but what doesn't?

[Andrius]

...I've posted and quoted and requoted my thing on AJ. You look that up, I'll look up the rest of those posts if I miss them in the catchup.

Re: KBW
Yes, yes it is.

Re: MS
sounds good to me

Re: varsoon
working my way down the pages...

[Andrius]

TD and Andrius differences I can live with (Andrius especially, since mollie)

...someone explain this
because all I hear is cabd's voice in my head

[Andrius]

rach marie you are very very right

i will slow down my reading

also td is most probably bad for the town so if he flips town later at least he wont spoil some lynch or something !

This reads off. Kinda' contrived.
But then again there's good townie reasoning for it so.

TD relenting the pursuit is town-motivated.

@Andrius: Yeah, man, I was wrong. Rub it in, I guess.

Its more of a 'the guy you fencesat about and whined about flipping town flipped scum so I'm going to pressure you for your reaction'.
Your reaction was a whole lot more town than I expected.

Anyway, my scum-list is currently AJ, TD, Andrius, and Cabd. Don't know how I feel about the new Spinachattack or w/e.
Mayonegg.

So, I'd like to explore how I became a scumread of varsoon's.

1) varsoon was scummy to me, as his posting was lacking.
2) I caught up, he read me as town.
3) He put in effort, I thought he was town.
4) I drew lines from him to 2.
5) 2 flipped scum
6) I voted him D2 off of the 2 flip
7) I am suddenly a scumread of his.
8) This interaction happens, regarding that read:

Spoiler: Cabd/varsoon on pizza and Andarius

Could one of you guys order me a pizza or something? I'm really hungry, but broke.
Like, I'll give you my address and you can pay online for it or something.

Not sure if joking or just lame.

Mind explaining your andy read? Or hell, your cabd read?

Could one of you guys order me a pizza or something? I'm really hungry, but broke.
Like, I'll give you my address and you can pay online for it or something.

Not sure if joking or just lame.

Mind explaining your andy read? Or hell, your cabd read?

Oh, because ordering a pizza for someone isn't lame?
Come on, it's that mentality which perpetuates our cynical, non-pizza-ordering society.

Explanations? Just suspicions.

Could one of you guys order me a pizza or something? I'm really hungry, but broke.
Like, I'll give you my address and you can pay online for it or something.

Not sure if joking or just lame.

Mind explaining your andy read? Or hell, your cabd read?

Oh, because ordering a pizza for someone isn't lame?
Come on, it's that mentality which perpetuates our cynical, non-pizza-ordering society.

Explanations? Just suspicions.

I'm Italian, online order pizza is mostly crap anyways, so we're doing you a favor by not ordering it for you.

So you don't actually have a case on andy (or myself, or anyone else one your list) besides gut suspicions, ooor?

Oh, the quality of most pizza here in the states is variable, but probably pretty low. I wouldn't know, you know?
Regardless, there's more than just pizza that delivers.


I actually have a case, but articulation would take time, effort, and wouldn't be incredibly worth it.
It serves the same purpose for me to just say I suspect you're scum.
After all, if I did an ISO, like with 2, I'd probably interpret things as scummy.
My thought process is that there's got to be scum in the ineffable town-body, and even if there isn't, there's likely scum latching onto it. Cabd and Andrius feel like that. Also, Andy called me out and put a vote on me, so I've got to OMGUS or something.
It's actually interesting how few people cared that I was ardently defending 2, waffling a bit on it, and then I put the L-1 vote down.
Also, basing a few things off of an ISO of 2 and who 2 put in town/null buckets.

So in the end he admits its more of an OMGUS thing than a 'here's a solid case' thing.
Its like, this was scummy until the OMGUS thing.
THen it was just bad.
Which makes me think the badness is contrived to take away from the fact that there's
1) no case

Did Var and Cabd REALLY spend posts analyzing the pizza comment??

Did you REALLY read those posts?

...mollie has tagged her name in her posts in the past.

Because I'm not? I outlined why and telling me im working really hard doesn't cut it.

why are you getting cranky with me andy?

also I asked you in a pivotal point in the game what you thought was going on and you ignored the question. I then said again later that I asked you that question and you ignored it and you did not respond to that post either.

you addressing me in some ways but distancing yourself in others. I don't like that. if you want to get close then get close don't pussy-foot around it. nacho says you can but so far I am not seeing it so you either lack the balls for it or are scum.

eta: ahahahahaha, rach, inorite

You're accusing me of being lazy/noncommitted to it.

Also tag your posts please? A number of players have asked you to do it so regardless of who is posting this we would ALL appreciate it. You signed up as a hydra,

act like one

.

K well I'll go look back at your post and write you... probably a few lines on it.

Whoa now; I don't like fast women so me not getting close isn't some form of GOAWAY. Nacho knows me not because he just met me this game- we went through a lot of games together ranging from cultists to mason-lynching so don't expect me to be all PUSHING YOUR BOUNDARIES.

...somewhere cabd is enjoying this.

This town needs unity.
And pizza.

I read this as 'utility'.
Either way, I'm down for this though I'm more of a 'works from the shadow' guy.

Hey Rachmarie.

A couple very important questions.

1) If you had to shoot me or B2B, who wouldn't make it to D3, assuming nothing would interfere?
2) If you could 100% ascertain the alignment of any player in the game who would it be?
Oh and tell NS I said hi.

hum. Didn't get what I quote tagged from the first page of ISO.

Regardless, B&B, why aren't you scum?

Okay

So are we lynching varsoon before or after aj

Because we're lynching varsoon

I support this train of thought.

Yeah fuck man I'm scared of your opinions yeah that's it


To everyone else: sorry I haven't been posting substantially, but I don't really see a lot to talk about given today's lynch is a bit of a foregone conclusion before now. Ill make something big when I get home

You're squirming again.

...that's not squirming


I really like cabd's style, BTW.

Nacho.
You saying varsoon is rocking this game makes me laugh. In the good way.
But I still don't agree.

predit: Oh man, Nacho's coming down on my post. Hang on this got more srs.

Seperate post for replies to that and the walls he mentioned earlier.

[Andrius]

Because he's looking at more things that just that which is in front of him.
Easy to get wrapped up in the big thing; its much harder to do the things that aren't in the open.

It's a little dangerous, yeah, but picking on towngods early isn't necessarily a bad idea as scum. Yeah it's hard to tango with, but TD is a man that is occasionally a little hard to understand and so makes a great mislynch; arguing with me about it to win my support so he doesn't get blamed seems like a perfectly viable scumtactic.

Remember, I have little meta on everyone here but you.
I still think its a townthing.

Hard tunnels the fuck out of TMT day 1.

He's not the only one who came down hard on TMT.

Says that BRO should be the day 3 lynch and the hydra should be the vig shot?

Ok yeah that's bad.

Tunnelling not necessarily a scumtell.

but drops him in his next reads list without any explanation whatsoever

Ok yeah that is bad.

That's fine. But his original work wasn't very good anywhere.

I'm still a big fan of original work.


Yo, Nacho. You make good points. I'm just not sold.
Its like Breaking Bad. I finished S1 today. It was good. Not sold.
I said I'd follow you if you asked it of me. I'll vote with you on AJ and take responsibility for my townread on AJ if he flips scum.
But I'm still holding onto this at the moment.
I'd reread but this thread is a monster.
And I'd like to keep the rereads down to a once-per-game deal.

I don't like Vashoon's play. I don't like the uncertainty principle he creates: for example, after his gambit with 2 and another player: he calls 2 town due to the reaction to the gambit. He even used phrasing like '2's playing better than most of you' (a paraphrase, I admit) and the gambit created a false positive result, while it didn't fool anyone, if it did it would of cleared 2.

...apparently I missed a gambit

hum. Didn't get what I quote tagged from the first page of ISO.

Regardless, B&B, why aren't you scum?

lol

I am going to love reading this scumboard

you said yourself you think 2 is a better player than all of us why the fuck do you think I would bus them like that. like that does not even make sense.

VARSOON DOES NOT MAKE SENSE
IN EVERY SINGLE ONE OF HIS TOWNGAMES (EVERY SINGLE ONE)
HE GETS LYNCHED D1
EXCEPT FOR ONE
WHERE I SAID THIS TYPE OF THOUGHT PROCESS CAN'T BE FAKED
IT'S TOO FUCKING CRAZY TO BE FAKED
AND IS THERE REASON FOR HIM TO FAKE IT
NO
HELL NO
UNLESS HE KNOWS I WILL TOWNREAD HIM FOR IT AND I WILL NOT BE AROUND FOREVER
SO IT'S A SHIT SCUM STRATEGY
VARSOON'S SCUMGAME IS BORING
boring as hell
he's sensible, he's too helpful, he doesn't rock the boat
when varsoon is town
he rocks the fuck out of every boat because his thought process is free. he has no reason to keep it inside; it's absolutely everywhere. that's what he is this game. at all.

I don't know what to say to most of this.
It reminds me of the 'shotty cant be scum because its shotty and his play is just shit'.

UNLESS HE KNOWS I WILL TOWNREAD HIM FOR IT AND I WILL NOT BE AROUND FOREVER

Well you're around now.
I wondered if you'd make it this far, to be honest.

[Andrius]

MELIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Not as bad as fucking game of thrones tonight, but still

.
MELIAAAAAAAA

andy should be lynched for this alone. that episode had a lot of character development.

Also Reverend died like I hoped he would, but I'm a bit surprised it was by a

face mechon

, which probably means 2 scumteams.

YEAH UM YEAH 2 SCUM
YEAH
VARSOON WHAT NOT
WHAT
NOW

Vote: varsoon

Because yeah wishywashy defense of 2.

nope, reads as an independent especially with how the gameflow is going going

also where was nacho unloved

Scum.
Unless there's another miller claim but we're a bit late for that.

reads as a possible independent. from wiki:

echon (English dub: /ˈmekˌɒn/) are a "race" of mechanical beings who reside on the giant Mechonis, and are constantly at war with the Homs on Bionis.

It is unclear what their overall intentions are

, but they are a serious threat to any character unable to wield the Monado or an anti-Mechon weapon, as Mechon are impervious to almost all attacks. A stronger type of Mechon would be Ancient Daedala.

yeah, defo thinking indie

Wait what's with the sudden AJ wagon?
Did I miss some important information?

^ this is terrible

Nope. Nice try jiffy.
I'm personally thinking the second half of the wagon; scum bussing once they realize that 2 can't be saved.

andy.

my skin is really soft and I smell nice how come you can't tell when you are talking to a girl

I think you can

meh. venny looks like a derp hammer and the L1 vote looked natural.

so who are you thinking. varsoon? I don't think so.

how you are not scumreading aj. like you are really working hard at it

Again, I loved the GoT episode.
Still bad in the </3 sense.

I still don't think SK_FaceMechon makes sense unless Mumkhar.
But why would the mod reveal that in the flavor? That hurts the SK, if anything.

So sue me for missing things.

andy.

my skin is really soft and I smell nice how come you can't tell when you are talking to a girl

I think you can

You give me too much credit.

so who are you thinking. varsoon? I don't think so.

As scum? Yes, I'm considering it.

how you are not scumreading aj. like you are really working hard at it

What is it with games recently and me defending someone hard against everyone else only for me to be right?

[Andrius]

TD and Andrius differences I can live with (Andrius especially, since mollie)

...someone explain this
because all I hear is cabd's voice in my head

Why is my voice in your head?

2859.

[Andrius]

I'll be around for a few more minutes then I'm off to Galahad Fortress.

That damn FORTRESS DEFENSE UNIT is seriously kicking the shit out of me.

[Andrius]

@Ghostlin:
I'll give this thread one reread.
You can cash that in now or you can wait for D4/D5 when tons of people are dead and I am in serious need of ENERGIZERBUNNY in the game.

PREDITS:

There's easy, there's hard, and there's "simply not coming from scum". I could call going off on a tangent of his own hard, but there's no way in hell for him to sheep when we're lynching his scumpartner.

Fair enough.

Every day I breathe is a day I kiss the ground in front of me and drink from the clear waters that were given to me by the Almighty. But if Varsoon's strategy is "make Nacho townread me and carry me through endgame"? I'll be impressed, but it's not exactly longterm. I'm going to lynch scum until I see green, and then I will reanalyze. That's when I start to bend on the reads like Varsoon, that I have to defend from hell and high water but everyone else is begging me to throw him into the fire.

So this is me asking you.
Do you want me on this wagon?

Privately, I enjoyed trying to lynch shotty, vezok and werewolf555 for this reason whenever possible. Sometimes I was even right.

We destroyed vezok in a D1 quicklynch in the game that got Nacho his title.
Funfact: In shotty's first ever game onsite we lynched him D1. Was scum.

[Andrius]

2 (or Buildermar, at least) lost his mind and went so far as to call me retarded for suggesting it, as it seemed like a good way for 2 to get out of being wagon'd.
Both of their reactions and interests in it read as town to me.
/shrug.
WIFOM it if you want, but each player saw it as a way to finally confirm themselves as town (to some extent, at least), and were both quite upset that it was totally illegal.

I don't see how it suggest that they were TOWN.


...

wait.
It involved posting role pms yes?
So scum would confirm by posting their role PM, thus they couldn't do it because they have scum role pms.


One word:
Fakeclaims.

[Andrius]

So this is me asking you.
Do you want me on this wagon?

Yes.

You have my sword.

Unvote, Vote: AJ the Epic

[Andrius]

Happy Scumday Nacho!

[Andrius]

And this was while Varsoon was talking about the 2 wagon being bad

I don't see the progression here

2 was not a deadline lynch

Why did Varsoon switch suddenly to putting a vote down on 2?

THIS
THIS SO MUCH

Everything that follows from orc is good.

Yes Andy I REALLY read that which led my head exploding. Will do on the telling hi to NS hes currently asleep and I am on the computer atm. It is like almost 3 AM here in California.

...if you really read that you wouldn't have missed the discussion of varsoon's read on me, showing that those posts were not ALL focused on pizza.
Reading is clearly overrated.

If I could only shoot you or B n B uggh I have a town read on both of you though... But iffen I was limited to just those two slots probably you cause my town read on B n B is a bit higher and more on my playing in several games with both heads so get a feel for how they play, while my town read on you is partly based on my feeling we are dealing with Town Nacho and he vouches for you.

Good answer.

[Andrius]

orc suspects me. Has since D1.

[Andrius]

I guess we can't really know until the flip.

no shit

[Andrius]

Sorry I cant resist at times.

AJ is town? HAVE I SERIOUSLY BEEN UNCLEAR ABOUT THIS?
Cabd is town, witty, and awesome.
Spinachattack is the TWT hydra, yes? If so, scummy.
...TD is also town and a read I THINK ive been clear on.

Well clearly! Because we all know that I'm able to get away from you as scum. I definitely don't end up dead. >_>
But yeah the moment after you die I will have no one to read me as town.


PREDIT:

HOW AM I IGNORING YOU?

I am clearly not making enough time for you. What can I do to help?

[Andrius]

I've been wanting Greek for some time, but whatever you want, dear, is fine with me.

[Andrius]

I've been wanting Greek for some time, but whatever you want, dear, is fine with me.

a Cesear salad, cheese fondue and a bottle of wine. does that sound good to you?

meanwhile we can talk about how scummy your reads are

sound good?

Sounds great.

So what don't you like about my reads?
Let me guess: varsoon and AJ?

[Andrius]

Do you want me to restate my reads or is it more of a 'try again your reads are bad' thing?

[Andrius]

let me elaborate

the aj lynch should not be that big of a stretch, the varsoon leap looks like mebbe going after poor town play.

where is guy again in your list?

Thank you for the clarification.

I'm on AJ because Nacho asked. End of story. It could be bad play, yes. I just see the scum motivation way more than the town-side of that and there are things I am hesitant to let slide.

(I thought Nacho didn't want us discussing this.)

Honestly, I haven't paid much attention to guy. But since you're interested; give me ten minutes and I'll ISO him up for you.

[Andrius]

FREEZE IN HELL BATMAN

@Nacho: As of now, town.

I don't have any strong scumreads from ppl who posted so far. About MS, I'm really biased at reading him right now for a reason.

BRO - seems town

@Varsoon's 136 - ....
But I'm p confident at reading varsoon so I'll wait for him to post more.

@orc's 158 - not yet but there's a high chance my vote will end up there, especially after stuff like 168.

@sven's 162 - see the arrows?

@sven's 165 - WIFOM

@sven's 171 - is that post referencing Cabd?

Wow sven breaks easier than remembrance.

Still no scumreads.

Both of your roles?

VOTE: Sven

How is miller tracker two roles

P-Edit: I got a girl too.

@Mac: Then that's one role, not two.
Unless other ppl accepts "miller tracker" is two roles, I firmly believe that it's a scumslip.

Hey nacho what do you think of sven mentioning two roles?
I need a different view because I think sven slipped up and trying to get out of it.

@N: I don't like them either but considering the situation he is in and how he breaks easily the possibility of scum-sven slipping is pretty high.

P-edit: let me post

This thing would be a flag but we're good because I explained it and he understood.

GiF calling everyone town but no scumreads (besides for the 'catch' on Sven's doublerole) is troublesome.

Town (not in strength order)
Nacho/orc/molljiffy/varsoon/sajin/bro/care(gut)

Scum (not in strength order)
TD/sven/2

Null
Everyone else


This is where I stand so far.

Hey Varsoon.
You rolled scum this game, haven't you?
VOTE: Varsoon

Sudden swap from calling varsoon town posts ago.
Waiting for reasoning.

I could explain how varsoon is not town now but i'd rather see him post more first.

He had his chance. No reasoning yet.

@BRO: I already said I'm keeping the reasons to myself regarding Varsoon for now.
The earlier townread on him was meta.

Yeah um yeah.
Redflag stands.

Tell me why Varsoon is scum.

Long story short, I think he's forcing his townmeta. I won't go to the detail until I have my one-on-one convo with him.

NACHO LOOK AT THIS.

gif, sven or 2

As of now, I lean toward 2.

But I would like to see lynch happen after I get to have a friendly conversation with Varsoon.

After never mentioning 2 before this, I find thus scummy.


Maybe its just because he took awhile to get warmed up but finally analyzing people 80 posts in is nice.

Anyway when I was talking to Varsoon I was mainly looking for his thought process and stuff.

I flipped my read on him because it looked like he was backing down too easily, his thought process looked offkey, and looked like he was distancing me. (Considering I can read him well.)

Turned out his "distancing" was just paranoia about me, and I could follow his thought process of his posts regarding his posts, and that's a good sign.

Also I could see the reason on sudden readflip on orc, and considering it's Varsoon, I buy it.

So Varsoon is town.

UNVOTE:

@TMT: what's your experience of mafia games?

This is a grea tunvote because of reasoning as to why.
Shows how a read CHANGES.

Gah fuck catch up posts with my phone. I'm gonna do it properly when I get desktop access

My read changes:
2: scum to town
Rev: scum to town
MS: null to town

Don't you worry. I'm gonna explain them all eventually.

Somebody asked me and nacho why we read Varsoon town.

That fail gambit was in town mindset, not scum mindset.

Another mention of 2.

Liking his later posting. Not so much early on.
Whether he was town waiting to get his feet wet or scum waiting for things to happen I'm not sure but.
His recent play helps with his early stuff but I don't like his stuff with 2.

Gut says town.
Can't shake the taste of badD1 in my mouth.

[Andrius]

I really really think andy is scum

I know the response is 'yes dear' but.

I'm curious though; is there a case on me out there yet or do I have to subscribe to the newsletter first?

Also, I have the striking suspicion varsoon is trying to fakecrumb.

Breadcrumbing a fakeclaim is still breadcrumbing. /The Baker

[Andrius]

Because if AJ is actually town that makes me scum for thinking he was town all along and trying to not go through with the lynch.
I am reading this correctly right?

[Andrius]

As long as you accept me I'm content. If mollie wants heads on a platter then she might be looking at the wrong guy.


predit: I SAID I DIDNT SEE IT.

[Andrius]

I'll see you here tomorrow, Nacho.
That's a promise.

[Andrius]

Yeah um AJ is town, guys.
Big surprise right?
RIGHT?

[Andrius]

We do love you, Nacho. <3
WHAT ARE YOU DOING TONIGHT
YOU FREE FOR DINNER?

[Andrius]

FIRST BORK LOCKS THE THREAD AS I TRY AND POST MY LOVE LETTER TO MOLLIE

THEN SHE DIES BEFORE I CAN POST IT AGAIN

THERE
WILL
BE
BODIES
EVERYWHERE

[Andrius]

VOTE: VARSOON

[Andrius]

First off, I'll claim full responsibility for my vote. Yes, I did it because Nacho asked. However, you WILL NOT hear me say that as an excuse. My vote. Period.

Next off, we're done here and now. Partially because mollie affected me more than a 'hey asshole i think youre scum'.
Also holy crap THEY KILLED MOLLIE, THEY KILLED OUR SHIPPER, AND THEY KILLED REYNTIME.
REYNTIME.


On a sidenote that really isnt important Alvis as town is a bit shocking but whatever Zanza-Scumteam still makes sense.

Also Juju is a shit Hider.
Also WHY IS IT NOT REYNTIME?

[9] Aj The Epic (Nachomamma8, RachMarie, BROseidon, spinachattack, Varsoon, Andrius, orcinus_theoriginal, Cabd, GuyInFreezer)

Yeah um there are scum here.
Rach, BRO, thebighydra, varsoon cannot all be town.
Namely varsoon.
Because he's not.
Also if he's scum Nacho is likely buddy.

TD/MS, stop cross voting each other and find scum or I will fucking see you hang. In fact, there's a 50/50 chance you're doing this on fucking purpose.

Elaborate please, on the last part. I'm curious so sate my hunger.

In the clutch, we probably should look Nacho, Orc and Andy ways, but we're not in the clutch yet.

I'll be dead soon anyway.
Im coming home baby, I'm coming home.
Right after I take them down with me into hell.

Ghostlin is fucking town and I don't think I'll ever vote him.

Vote: Sajin

to start the day. Would join Andy on Varshoon, tho'.

That's a good place to drop that.
Not as good as varsoon but I respect your vote.

also

Vote: sajin

i have some reasons which i may double check later

No you fucking post reasons when you vote goddammit.
Unless you're CARRYOVERVOTING like me where your vote simply makes sense by justification previously.

Sorry I'm mad but not at you.
OR SHOULD I BE?

also, lets discuss the 3 kills at night

...

Ghostlin's response is great.

Andrius - suspicious of slot

...how can you be suspicious of the slot when only ONE PERSON HAS EVER OCCUPIED THE SLOT?
AKA YOU'RE SUSPICIOUS OF ME YOU ARE JUST SAYING IT IN COY, UNCERTAIN TERMS.

DID YOU DO IT?
DID YOU KILL MOLLIE?

RachMarie- Scum.

Do elaborate- I love it when your reads appear out of nowhere.

Vote: varsoon

,Nachomamma8- Paranoia? scum. But I think he's town.

The paranoia is something I know.
But you grow to live with it and deal with it. Its not always easy living in these times BUT YOU FIND A WAY.
I BELIEVE IN HARVEY NACHOMAMMA DENT.

...Told you guys, I'm gonna make it past every night. Scum doesn't want to lynch me because of my play making town fight town, and how gullible I am.

...this, dear readers, is how you know I'm not the vig.
because if i were, this post would not exist.
because varsoon would be pushing up MOUNDS OF DAISIES.

P-EDIT:
METAL SONIC'S ASKING ABOUT THE THREE KILLS AND STUFF, LIKELY BECAUSE HE'S SCUM, IS AWARE SCUM ONLY HAS TWO KILLS, AND WANTS TO FISH OUT THE VIGILANTE?

Really?
Stretching that a bit much.

Vote: RachMarie

...really?
I mean I understand but SERIOUSLY?

I'm fairly experienced. I'm not Nacho/DGB experienced, but I played for quite a few months before I site flaked and came back.

I will vouch for his experience. I *think* he was in VV's (;_; i miss you) mini theme a lifetime ago.

also, lets discuss the 3 kills at night

2 scum factions + X shot Vig
1 scum faction + 1 SK (w/X or 1x bulletproof, probably)+ X shot Vig

2 scum factions+ 1 SK (w/X or 1x bulletproof, probably)

The bolded are the most likely in my mind.

Or venmar hid behind scum.

...you have a good point.

[Andrius]

orc can we lynch varsoon first?
i really want to and i really want you to want to and i really want nacho to want to

[Andrius]

fair enough

NACHO
THE TRIUMVIRATE NEEDS YOU
FOR THE NIGHT IS DARK AND FULL OF TERRORS

[Andrius]

...

Unvote, Vote: Rachmarie

[Andrius]

fair enough

NACHO
THE TRIUMVIRATE NEEDS YOU
FOR THE NIGHT IS DARK AND FULL OF TERRORS

btw

I'm starting to lean town on you independent of nacho's read for your proactiveness

So you're probably town factoring in Nacho's read

I... uh... had to find my motivation to play.
Someone gave me that and more.

@Ghostlin: Yes, that one.
God, I miss that man. ;_;

Sajin, I apologize for being an ass. And being blind for far too long.

[Andrius]

btw this is the one true townbloc right here
everyone who has posted on this page

[Andrius]

varsoon

is

the lynchpool

[Andrius]

varsoon

is

the lynchpool

MS looks funky too can you comment on that

i have
varsoon first
then ms

unless someone wants to speed up the process but, y'know

[Andrius]

That needs to happen, but not right now.
We can do that after we see her (scum)flip.
Yes, its worth looking at, but not that important RIGHT NOW.

You are speaking music to my ears though. More fuel for the varsoon lynch? Yes please.

[Andrius]

...yeah sorry i got worked up
can always do more thinking

varsoon
for everything before the links you posted and the links you posted
and if that doesn't clean up a scumteam (b/c varsoon and 2's interactions and hopefully varsoon/rach) i don't know what will

/assuming 2 scumteams

[Andrius]

...how lengthy of a post do you want
because if you want something intellectual you might have to wait until not friday night

[Andrius]

I have a hidden passive where I can't die until the one who killed mollie dies.
Its called SHEER WILLPOWER.

TD is town. Same read as before. That hydra leans scum because of TWT's earlier posting.

...though honestly, I wouldn't be surprised either way.

[Andrius]

TD's vote is good.
MS's is sheer OMGUS and bad.
MS is clearly not shipping me and nacho.

...also apparently TD is male. did not know.

[Andrius]

VOTE: VARSOON

1) I shot varsoon last night. He isn't dead. Town_protective roles have no reason to protect him.
2) Nacho isn't dead. TownBastionofLightandGlory Nacho isn't dead. Its D4. I'm not sure how much else I want to claim at the moment but suffice to say I think Nacho has a chance of being scum.

orc flip is shocking and saddening.
MS probably isn't MechonisScum.


tl;dr: Shot varsoon in the face- he's not dead. pewpew

[Andrius]

For the record it was a tough choice between varsoon and nacho.

[Andrius]

Andrius will be V/LA 6/14-6/16 (I think? I don't have a record of the convo so I'm going off memory)

This is correct.

[Andrius]

I'm not here to make fancy logic, or crazy cases or checklists of awesome; I'm here to put bullets in people's skulls because no one else will. BECAUSE IM THE DARK KNIGHT.

...and by bullets I mean massive swords.

Ok, from a town POV, what good is there in protecting one of the next day's lynch targets over any other townie who could be a PR or take a scumkill? There is none. And since my presence before this night hasn't been apparent, protecting varsoon to ward of a scumkill is simply laughable.

[Andrius]

Early on he tunneled Varsoon pretty hard and the inexplicably backed off, never really getting back to him.

Which is why you should vote varsoon.

To me it looks a lot like distancing himself from Andy in 1612 and then clearing through another player (Nacho) who is seems to be in most town piles in 3124 and 3280.

Which is why you should suspect Nacho.

It's particularly odd to me to have the need to clear him twice for the same reason and through the same player.

I can say something here but I'm going to wait.

Or andrius simply could've been roleblocked or something.

Also a possibility I overlooked.
But whatever at this point I DONT CARE.

Doesn't neighbors have same alignment?

Masons, not Neighbors.
Though both are equally close to my heart.

[Andrius]

As far as I am concerned Andi is conf town, no dumbass scum would try to gambit like that.

...I see what you did here.

Huh, varsoon attacks orc, orc never mentioned varsoon. Andrius, what specifically did you see in the relational that made you think var was scum?

I'm confused as to what you mean.

Ghostlin still town, least of all because of his role.

[Andrius]

I was going to post but then my TV turned on.

<_<
>__________>
<___________________________________________________________<

gonna try and kill

Jade Face

[Andrius]

Town: Andrius (although I'm wondering why he's alive now

Something tells me the scumteams were out to crosskill last night.

[Andrius]

Aka higher priorities than me (or Nacho if he's town).

[Andrius]

...I meant the blueflip.

[Andrius]

Blueteam killing Sajin was the right choice as he was conf.notblue.
Redteam obviously went for the crosskill.

[Andrius]

and nacho is angry

whyyyyyyy

it should be obvious why I'm currently alive

N3, yes, the kills are accounted for.
I'm more concerned with N1 and N2 to be honest.

Yeah, we have to wait for varsoon anyway; V/LA until 6/14.

[Andrius]

but the fact that you're claiming that you shot me is sending up a thousand flags.

I breadcrumbed this shot so hard yesterday. Not sure why you're surprised.

...I hope that wasn't him seriously claiming vig. Please tell me its not. Because there's probably not room in the setup for two of us, even though I'm not a fullvig.

[Andrius]

Addendum: The fact that you're ALIVE after being shot is sending up ten thousand flags.

[Andrius]

and either way, we should probably shoot the one that can't die and have andy shoot the counterclaim during the night

My sword broke when varsoon failed to die.

[Andrius]

I don't think you're reading my posts Nacho.

[Andrius]

You won't see 4 kills tonight and I can't shoot anyone because sword gone bye bye.

Sorry you got it all just not the same conclusion.

Also

Spoiler: game spoilers

Agniratha being completely empty and the explanation of WHY

is definitely in the top five feels moments of the game.

[Andrius]

You won't see 4 kills tonight and I can't shoot anyone because sword gone bye bye.

Metal Sonic is the person who is supposed to make 4 deaths happen.

2 scumkills
one of his kills
#4..?

[Andrius]

What's everyone's thoughts on Andy? The whole Andy/Orc thing still has me bothered.

Its k, Nacho still being here makes me uneasy but w/e its Nacho. <3

I would like to compelle the likely (imo) odd night Cop to come forward with their reads now lest the town lose the game. This could very well be LYLO.

1) Not LyLo
2) Don't assume there

is

an Oddnight counterpart

Also, did you not read the part where Andy said that his sword broke?

K I realized that there's room for silly misunderstandings here so I'm partclaiming to avoid silliness down the line.
I'm a JoaT. Shot varsoon last night. Have other actions, been using them as I deemed fit. Breadcrumbed every action thus far. Brownies if you can find them.

Why would blue strongman kill me...?

Because you're a likely doc target early on?

Do you think he was protected by a doctor? No. Do you think that Andy was roleblocked on the night he decided to shoot? Unlikely. Do you think that Varsoon crumbing to be bulletproof for forever and a half was just a coincidence?

Doctor? No.
RB'd? Possibly.

Oh yeah, breadcrumbs.

...Told you guys, I'm gonna make it past every night. Scum doesn't want to lynch me because of my play making town fight town, and how gullible I am.

...this, dear readers, is how you know I'm not the vig.
because if i were, this post would not exist.
because varsoon would be pushing up MOUNDS OF DAISIES.

amurikah
pewpewpewpew

[Andrius]

But I had two of them chilling in the TOWN BLOCK. I don't think they would be so ready for me to die.

True. It just makes me sad that you're so unloved.

[Andrius]

Hi.
I'm guessing Ghostlin was killed by Blue as Red had no real reason to off him.
Not sure where their kill went but I had nothing to do with it on my end.

I'm worried about Nacho.
And the spinach hydra.
I'm going to desperately cling to my TD townread because I need a townread.

So.
Massclaim today or manana? We have eight alive today and we'll have 5 manana assuming both kills go through.
Regardless I'll probably claim my actions just to get them out there.

[Andrius]

Not sure where their kill went but I had nothing to do with it on my end.

And by this I mean I didn't block/protect last night.

[Andrius]

Scum didn't hold their kill. No reason not to.
Don't think we have a town RB since they probably would have claimed to block me to prevent varsoon's lynch.
Unlikely that red team shot Ghostlin.
Blue team's not dead. 14:3:3 makes perfect sense for a 20player game.

[Andrius]

Just throwing it out there.

In that case:

I'm a JoaT.
Shot varsoon N3.
Protected Nacho N2.
Watched Nacho N1.

Thought he was town, probable kill target. Was quite surprised to see that NO ONE targeted him N1, and (obviously) no one killed him N2.

YES MOLLIE IM SORRY I LET YOU DIE
I THOUGHT I COULD GO OUT WITH THE GUYS FOR A DRINK
AND THE MINUTE I DO YOU WIND UP DEAD
THATS ON ME
thats on me honey
;_;

And yeah cabd too.

Man its like I'm Brynden Tully.

Spoiler: GAME OF THRONES 3.9 spoilers

I STEP OUT FOR ONE MINUTE TO TAKE A PISS
AND MY FAMILY AND KING AND PEOPLE ALL DIE

In other news Nacho not being dead AND not even being shot at yet makes me wonder. Like, after D1, I'd be hard pressed to pick ANYONE but him to be shot.
Anywho.

brb grabbing my breadcrumbs

[Andrius]

Like, DayKill: bork is only so good. This game has flavor, so something like Monado Buster: bork would be more expected and legit.

Monado Buster is the name of my vigkill.

We can do whatever we want. BY THE POWER OF THE MONADOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I wield the Monado.

so let's chat and enjoy a sunny day well I am just loving this breeze what do you think.

‘The breeze feels so good. …You know, Shulk, I hope every day could be like this. Always.’

;_____; mollieeeeeeeee

Nacho you've been rather unloved lately but you've also been away right before deadline.

Unloved = no one targeted you N1.

I'll see you here tomorrow, Nacho.
That's a promise.

He’ll be here because I’m protecting him.

[Andrius]

It is not possible for bro-gif-spinach-ms to all be scum. It is however possible for all of them to be stupid. Can I talk to somebody else please?

I'm all ears.

she leaves out MS from her scum pile even though she called him scummy before and after this. Not sure if she would more likely leave a partner out or remember to keep a partner in her scumpile.

Good find.

[Andrius]

I'll read later tonight when I'm finally done traveling..

[Andrius]

and before anyone goes "oh let's not lynch a lurker it's not a good plan",
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=4450
Andy should remember that.

[Andrius]

Gonna grab a couple other of my posts in ISO and then return.

[Andrius]

Gonna try and make this as painless as possible.

Spoiler: words, words, words

K just for my own sanity, starting reads as I remember them:

spinache - scum
nacho - scum
TD - town
MS - iffy
GiF - townish
BRO - town
SAD - ... no fucking clue

Anyhow, in doing ISO work on every living player I will be using proven techniques that we used while doing investigations while I worked in the prison system. As flaky as some of the sound, they're all quite legit. Instead of spending time trying to convince you of these techniques, I'll just link you to a source where you can read it from someone else...

http://liespotting.com/liespotting-basics/words/

While this is interesting, it only adds to the number of questions.

I find it odd all the Cop crumbs he seems to have laid down, yet says he's not Cop. A little help here would be nice. Everyone else comes up town. I was very surprised that MetalSonic came up town because I was sold on him being scum. So much so I read his full ISO three times. At the end of the day, though, town he is.

Wait what the crap is going on?
Nevermind following posts explained it.

They also promote mass claim like scum would actually claim scum.

Both you and a townread of yours (me) have expressed interest in a massclaim.
Scum need more than WIFOM- scum need to get by without massclaiming; the less time in the light the better.

I don't, uh, think GiF and spinach are buddies.
Namely because GiF is town.

But FIRST of all:

Vote: Ser Arthur Dayne

The fact this is still alive is a major major problem. He's been coasting scum for a century and a half, and it just hurts me to see him living.

The absolute ONLY thing that SAD has provided in this game on page 147 is a case on why Venmar is scum and a subtle chainsaw of RachMarie. That's it.

Idk I really didn't see his predecessors as strictly scum. Will look into it later.

I'm a bit less sold on Nacho, although the fact that he's here is disconcerting.

Liking BRO's posting except this. Not a big deal but w/e.

SAD could also draw the modkill for inactivity so there's little incentive to vote that way at this point as well.

He'll get replaced, not modkilled.

I do like spinach's sudden involvement and crazy analysis. But then again EVERYONE is posting but me so not sure how valid that is.

So, I start to type a response to the second vote on me, then my net cuts out for the rest of my V/LA trip.
I get home at 4 AM and rush online only to find I was stupidly lynched by a bunch of town who can't meta me, and are too short-sighted to realized they're being duped.

Good luck, town.
You'll need it.

Next time, please don't rush a lynch on the fucking V/LA who doesn't have an internet connection. It's like I wasn't even given a chance to defend myself, and you all just asshole'd me into the ground.

Your old avatar was better.
And conveyed less asshole.

i dont think SAD's extra plus lurking is ground for him scum, much less blue


however! nacho is pretty scummy yeah I definitely agree on that one

#3537, SAD not responding is pretty mundane, but nacho not responding as an active player is indeed a cause for concern

MS has a good point.
Not sure if MS is blue as if he was he'd be focusing on REDS not ELIMINATING BLUE SUSPECTS.

So far since my read reset

MS ↑
TD ↓
Nacho ↨
SAD ↓
BRO ↨
Andrius ↑↑↑♫
Spinach ↨

...the only thing I understand here is that I'm toen because ALL THE ARROWS AND MUSIC NOTES

Though you were calling MS scum so making his up arrow makes little sense, and I don't get the flatparts on Nacho/Nro/spinach.

Hi andi, what do you think of my proposed scumteams?

MS=blue

Spinach/bro or Spinach/GIF as red?

Disagree with MS being blue.
If he's scum he's probably red.
Bro is definitely not blue as the blue one would either be playing passive to hide or actively as they NEED dead reds.

Hi andi, what do you think of my proposed scumteams?

MS=blue

Spinach/bro or Spinach/GIF as red?

Yes Andy. What do you think of TiphaneDeath throwing a big pile of shit and hoping it sticks on anyone but himself? I too would be interested in your thoughts on this.

And where has Nacho been

lurking

hiding the past couple of days?

I'm merely using the pewpews to look for the scumbags.

Okay, I'm still confident in Andy town thanks to claim+earlier play. I'm not going to go through that read again.

Damn straight.

If spinach is scum, I think he's blue.

Exactly.

Hi
Let's talk about spinach.

I currently don't think he's scum. Cabd said this would be his first game as scum, and his paranoid nature is shining through pretty clearly. His scumhunting by "liar's tells", his gambit to get someone to tell him to rush the day, all of those seemed to be pretty strong towntells to me. Do you disagree?

Nacho ---> spinach.

I agree that his "liar tells" are strong townmove. I was reading TMT's iso and his initial reads were bothering me a hell lot enough to cast doubt in my townread on him and since then I've been going back and forth on him regarding my read on him.

Its easy to drop a link, use some buzzwords and move on.
I could do it too easily.

I'm pretty confident MS is the last blue scum, look at the relational stuff with rach and orc.

THAT is something I'd have to look into.

Nacho does bring up good points about reactions to the 2 wagon.

I think the final scum are MS-TD-SAD. And I think that SAD should be the first lynch because I'm extremely confident that he's scum.

and before anyone goes "oh let's not lynch a lurker it's not a good plan",
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=4450
Andy should remember that.

... im pretending this doesnt exist

Nacho we can discuss this vote.

Too obv.scummy to be scum.
I'm not sure he'd drop that as scum knowing we'd eat it up eventually.

it comes immediately after he drops the TD read and Ghostlin votes Sajin, meaning that it's sheepy and he's trying to get away from the him-TD slapfight, which isn't good

Well he've been sheepy for a while. I mean, there's no way he can read 700 posts within 15 minutes and make reads on his own. He probably saw someone saying "hey this guy is town" and used it as his own.

I'm trying to find a way to shake this but I can't.

Nacho is looking out for scumteam's interests and not town interest.

I'm pointing out that there's no reason for anyone in this game to try to get a mislynch, so his original accusation was stupid.

Unless they have a real good reason to know the ID of the other team, that is.
But yes Nacho has a point.

Ftr though I have Andrius as town. Like, they sound extremely genuine in their posts.

Apparently I'm a hydra.

wayne i've played with nacho in multiple games before and his town meta is way cleaner than that

I've probably played in way more with Nacho than you and I still can't shake the paranoia.

lol DGB


ahahaha that player's a funny one

<333

why did I become a scummy read?
why did varsoon become a scummy read?

Speaking of which:
Nacho, when did varsoon become a scumread yesterday?

Nachos 3606, is a scumslip, GIF caught this, well done. Nacho has to be red scum.

I see this, and I see your reasoning.
I'm just not sure its a SOLID deal.
It surely doesn't HELP his case any though.

Blue Scum: MS

I still disagree but w/e I'm willing to be wrong.

That said can we still please lynch MS today? I'll vote nacho if I have to but killing the final of a scum team is better than just offing one of two remaining.

Since nothing is CERTAIN we lynch whoever we feel best about and move along.
Best thing is, Blue is pretty much an honorary townie today.

SAD is town =/= strong town

SAD cannot be my buddy, meaning he's not red. And he's absolutely convinced that you're the blue.
So...

And here too... Damn some people are slow on the uptake.

This one's waaaaaay better. XD

Nacho ignoring the scumslip thing is interesting.

nacho

andy cant shoot

Too bad Zanza is dead or I could plead for my TRUE MONADO for awesome busting powers.

Scorched Earth is lame and saddening.
If I were blue I'd be shooting for red tonight.
If both reds make it out of today it'd be a tossup between OBVTOWNIE or BLUESCUM.

Aright, I gotta go to bed, good talk nacho, good talk.

I <3 you MS, even if you are a silly little scummer .

lets play again in some other game

I'd ship this.

aaaand time runs out. I'm eager to see Andrius's wall when he gets around to making it.

I'm not.

Lost me...

translation: I'm tired and going to sleep. I hope Andy is making a beautiful wall and not just crying over LoL.

I haven't played LoL in 2 weeks.
There are a couple of reasons behind this, one of them starts with a X and one of them starts with a M.

T
Nacho
BRO
SAD

S
TD
MS
GiF

Guess I'm the Serial Killer who just can't seem to get a shot off.

or he(nacho) is drunk,I don't know

If you want to see how drunk-nacho looks like, go read max steel mafia (newbie game that nacho modded). Buzzword micro works too.

Yes pls

VOTE: VARSOON

1) I shot varsoon last night. He isn't dead. Town_protective roles have no reason to protect him.
2) Nacho isn't dead. TownBastionofLightandGlory Nacho isn't dead. Its D4. I'm not sure how much else I want to claim at the moment but suffice to say I think Nacho has a chance of being scum.

orc flip is shocking and saddening.
MS probably isn't MechonisScum.


tl;dr: Shot varsoon in the face- he's not dead. pewpew

Yeah um.
MS isn't BlueScum. Reasoning is Beyond the Wall. Don't see him as red unless its with one of the stronger players. Like Nacho.
BRO also is unlikely Blue.
GiF town.
Nacho scummy but I'm also blind at the moment.
I'm liking newandimproved spinach.
BRO is town.
SAD is underwhelming and I wish he'd post more because he can interact with Nacho and I can't.

I didn't find what I was looking for so I'll go back and do that later.

[Andrius]

If you want the tl;dr version don't open the spoilers.

[Andrius]

you never really explained this.

writing up cases is hard

It's easy to implement, but the timing and actually deciding to implement something like that is very, very rare.

Eh I still don't see it as being super relevant.

when I checked back into the game and we were in multiball and AJ was town and Orc and Rach were scum.

That'll suffice for now.

What scumslip thing did I ignore?

I was getting frustrated when you were saying that I was claiming redscum and that's why you were voting me, but I haven't tried to console you. In fact, I think I've ignored you pretty solidly with few exceptions.

This one.

btw nacho is scum dont sheep him sheep andrius/spinach

Gonna be hard when I'm not voting at the moment.

I think I'm going to have to reread this.
And D1 is going to be a pain in the ass.
Furthermore I'm not sure when I'll have time to do it.
Even though it needs to happen. :/

[Andrius]

And yes I will get to a case, Nacho.
These things just take time.

[Andrius]

Yeah I need a reread.
Because I'm not confident in anything other than MS not being blue.

[Andrius]

Yeah I keep feeling like I need to post but all I can do is restate what I've said and still not have reread anything.

Anything for me otherwise? D:

[Andrius]

1) Yes, though I have no solid team to put him in. Honestly expected varsoon to flip scum, and Nacho was a likely buddy.

2) Stronger? Nothing is strong here to begin with.

3) I'm not exactly great at drawing town to scum connections, so I'm sure it COULD I just have no idea how that works.

4) I never quoted them/saved them; I just knew keywords (Monado, Buster, unloved, promise) so I could self-ISO and Ctrl-F.

Two things will happen before I vote, though.
1) I'll casewrite.
2) I'll do some reading.
Because voting someone without doing so at this stage is dumb.

[Andrius]

Waiting for Andy. No need to rush and he may come up with something others have missed.

How's that coming Andy?

Don't expect anything before tomorrow night.
That's the first time I'll have time to dump into this.

[Andrius]

I'm here I'm here. Spent yesterday driving back to S'kanistan after a conference thing so I was beat. Sorry.
Got all day to read and whatnot so I'll be doing that.

[Andrius]

Reading in progress.

Stopped playing because I spent 1million gold on Lancelot Armor for the entire team only to realize that it has NO SLOTS.
Can't convey the sads I feel.

[Andrius]

Current reads:
TD not Blue
BRO not Blue
GiF town
Heart says Towncho
Gut says Scumcho

Still D1.
Still haven't gotten to the bulk of 2's WALLPOSTS FOR DAYS

[Andrius]

Spoiler: first 40

"Long ago, the world was nothing more than an endless sea cloaked in a boundless sky, reaching as far as could possibly be imagined.
Then two great titans came into existence.
The Bionis and the Mechonis.
The titans were locked in a timeless battle.
Until at last, only their lifeless corpses remained...

VOTE: Metal Sonic

confscum

Metal Sonic needs more votes

This is an interesting opening.

Why the actual fuck would scum NK a miller?

I actually think BlueTeam killed him. But that's neither here nor there.

Let's talk about Metal Sonic. He hasn't replied to or even acknowledged my RVS push. Wonder why?

VOTE: Metal Sonic

Hi guys some help here

Nacho sidepushes MS when Sven is town enough.

Nacho's early posting is continally good. I don't think he's blue because of a couple interactions with orc.

Actually I was going to bring this up later but now seems like an apt time. If you wanted to give Sven space to get into his groove, why does it seem like you were trying to provoke him in 47?

I completely wanted to provoke him. Then he gave me a response that was far more meek than I was expecting regardless of alignment, so I backed the fuck off.

I like you.

This, for example.

Actually take that back. Nacho's good enough to exist on another plane so.

I don't like Cabd's #76 pairing with his previous post.

P-Edit: ninja'd(?)

If sven is town, mafia would be staying far away from this entire thing, IMO. Let us whip ourselves into a frenzy while they sit back and pop popcorn.

Is that what you're doing?

You people do realize he was responding to a hypothetical question of mine where I asked him to entertain sven-town right?

anyway

UNVOTE:

Do something.

Cabd let's assume Sven town. Who's scum, most likely?

Here it is.

I don't like GiF's casual mud-slinging on Cabd for a false reason and his general removal from the hot topics.

VOTE: GiF

GiF's not blue.

I also get the feeling BRO isn't blue, from #114.

Nacho your recent actions are weird why'd you vote sven

Cabd's town as fuck, GiF is town as fuck, you're town as fuck, I can't lynch buldey on Day 1 because he is so great but ffery's posts will tell me their alignment.
MS is a boring vote.
Sven isn't towning hard enough for me yet.

Reminds me. Why no negotiation with buldermar this game?

I was sorting hoping you two would roll scum this game and I could get you lynched D1.
Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the case.

This just seems weird coming from Red_Nacho.
Like...

See its the early Nacho that I love.
And the early GiF I don't like.
...
Man maybe I should just only ever read D1s and just go entirely based off D1 play.

Right now I don't have a scumread. Everyone walked away from the miller claim looking null or town.

[2] Svenskt Stål (Cabd, Nachomamma8)

come on, you know you wanna
there's too many townies who have posted thus far in order for sven to be town
it's just a matter of numbers at this point

The irony here. XD

Maybe we should go policy rach or something.

XD

Vote 2

I can't actually type your name, too small X_X.

Wait, you wanted me to read on the first day? Bah.

I think

vote Nacho

is better really.

Fakeclaiming miller is a moronic and dangerous gambit that I have never actually seen a scum use, and that's in like 20+ games.

Huh, interesting.

unvote

How about a vote here

Yeah I'm not sure I see orc semi-seriously calling for a policylynch on Rach and then pushing this hard on TD_buddy early as being something he'd do.

This is why I'm wary of Nacho- his big plan D1 was to settle down with a nice, large group of townies, make a bloc, and steamroll scum. Which is great. We got 2. The bloc held overnight. D2 he calls on AJlynch; the bloc agrees, partly due to its constituent BlueScum, partly because I gave him my vote. So D3 rolls around and Nacho has to reevaluate all of his reads, lynching varsoon who he called town the days before.
It would make FAR MORE SENSE in a singlescumteam where he can just drop his teammates into the town bloc but.

God damn Nacho is town D1.
This is why I fucking took a step back and watched- literally.

GiF is at least posting, so that takes away from the LURKITY D1 deal I was afraid of.
GiF's thing with BOTH ROLES is also more of a town thing.
Though I definitely play dumb as scum for points. >_____>

How is miller tracker two roles

P-Edit: I got a girl too.

Aaaaand an early softclaim too.

Maybe we should go policy rach or something.

Because this didn't make any sense to me. And it still doesn't.

cabd you're a fucking genious.

I think it is pretty obvious what he meant. Weak.

Didn't really see it from this angle.

You see obvtown on him?

(Just in case it wasn't clear I sort of want you to explain this)

Hell yeah. He just came off a game where I was his IC and we cleaned house pretty harshly, and his first instinct was to latch onto me a bit, figure out why I'm thinking what I'm thinking. I'd guess that he would be far more afraid of me as scum, maybe try to avoid me a bit; the way that he called us both town was also pretty genuine, with the "the aggression doesn't make them town but I think that the way things went down was pretty town" and all. He also has three townreads, which is more of a stance than most.

Was this the game with a perfect town win? I've heard stories and songs about it.

Btw, orc is probably town because f's usually right about him. We also agree that Nacho is likely town.

- b

yep. that game. We will have words if you think BRO is scum.

- f

Not sure how to take this either.

Played with Nacho loads and so far he feels pretty much his town meta.... Though he does have a tendency to replace into scum slots LOL

...

Yeah blue team already has one person playing dumb- GiF isn't blue. Definitely a contender for RedScum though.

TMTOL is definitely earlygame scum.

AJ keeps calling TD scum enough to make me secondguess myself.
Jiffy also reads TD as scum. Namely #587. And Ghostlin #588.

Fucking Wisdom of the Crowds- TD might be scum.

Even orc agrees. (#667)

GiF's thing with varsoon seems town.

Metal Sonic has not posted in PAGESSSSS

Town rage by 2.

Interesting, given that 2 just promised to vote TD when ffery got back if ffery agreed.
Interesting because 2 got lynched.

TD lurk more so I can defend you better.

TD probscum (red)
BRO not blue
GiF iffy
Leaning more nachotown
TMT scum
MS not posting makes me sad

[Andrius]

He took out Mollie

...are you actually serious

[Andrius]

he's completely on top of the games he's been in.

this breaks my self imposed ban but
nacho
kindly explain to spinach
what happened the last game we were in
and how on top of that i was

[Andrius]

He took out Mollie, and cabd too.

...they died the same night iirc

[Andrius]

I cant kill both mollie and cabd the same night.

anywho back to reading, drinking, and listening to the Rains

[Andrius]

I cant kill both mollie and cabd the same night.

anywho back to reading, drinking, and listening to the Rains

No? Use your vig on one and convince your team to take out the other. And then you crumbed it as you stated you would with your actions. I know you said you used it on Varsoon, but that would mean I would have to believe you first.

Ohhhhhh so you're implying Scum JoaT Andy.
That makes waaaaay more sense.


...my posts are becoming less coherent the drunker I become
which is cool because there's a grand total of nothing happening here tonight

NINJAS EVERYWHERE

[Andrius]

I just remembered SAD is in this game

...
yeah um


page 55
TD probscum (red)
BRO not blue, leaning town
GiF town
Leaning more nachotown
TMT scum
MS not posting makes me sad
SAD scum

[Andrius]

man the thing is
I really think TD is town
but that many townies cant be wrong
and I can be
so take that as you will

[Andrius]

Yeah my thing is TD and MS, while they aren't like OBVTOWN they haven't actually done much to contribute to the detriment of the town, besides for not posting D1 etc

[Andrius]

I might stop after D1, just so you know.
And I'm stopping now as my intellectual capacity is diminishing. /60

Yeah don't spoiler things.
DO THEY FIND THE BAD GUYS
DOES THE HERO GET THE GIRL?

[Andrius]

I'm fairly certain we lost some posts.

Fuck.
My.
Life.

Fucking made a massive wall for spinach and now its gone.
Fuck.

[Andrius]

like seriously
fuck

[Andrius]

I'll get you your wallpost.
Tomorrow.
Don't want to deal with this shit right now.

[Andrius]

In the meantime, since I remember asking this half a dozen times, which games of mine did you read for my meta?
Because I can guess but if I can tailor responses to specific games that'd make it easier for all of us.

[Andrius]

waynegg

we have a date after I finish breakfast

and by that I mean I get to spend another hour replying to why you think im scum (lol)

that'll begin in abooooooooout 10m

[Andrius]

I said I'd be STARTING, not posting then.
You have time.

[Andrius]

[STILL WORKING]

[Andrius]

TAKE TWO

for nacho, 3886

Make your case on me. You haven't come close to doing that.

There might not BE a case.

Andy has mentioned that he's found me scummy, but the entirety of the case against me is still:

1) Nacho's still alive when he posted so much and so many people read him town on Day 1!
2) Nacho's arguing that we should lynch red scum today! He's probably blue scum!

At least one of these will be recycled against me but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Ok time to get back to what I set out to do.

wall the first against spinach

All quotes in this area tag are his.

Are they special brownies?

No.

He said he crumbed all his actions.

...is this up for dispute or what.

I pointed out that he pulled them up too quickly when he had to (which made me think they were strategic crumbs placed for a cover). He said he looked for keywords and I took it hook line and sinker.

Okay. Point the first: crumbing can be done as either alignment. We can clearly agree on this.
Point the second: I crumb as either alignment. We can clear this through meta.
This is Open 239, the Scumgame that got me my Title.
This is Harry Potter Mafia, Large Theme. This is the Towngame that got me my Title.
In the former, I crumbed pretty much every role in existance (as scum). Seriously. Go read.
In the latter, pretty much anything that follows I crumbed my role heavily. Again, these are the games that got me my Title.

This clusterfuck of a game got me 'Most Improved'.
Look for the words:
Hope
Holy (first notable occurance, the second line of my very first post. Later appears at the bottom.
Stroller
Walker
Saint
and this post.

So we have established that I crumb as either alignment.

So your thing here is that I'm scum for having my breadcrumbs available on-call when needed.
So I ask, what good are breadcrumbs if you can't find them when you need it?

A more recent example:
LoLMafia.
This is my claim in the massclaim. You can see here that there is a nifty little place called BREADCRUMBS at the bottom. As you can see, I DO keep track of my breadcrumbs and doing so my keywords- how I crumb- is just what I do. And I was town here.
If you want more, ISO me for the following:
DEMACIA
Do Not Pursue
pursue
anything to do with Willpower (by my will this shall be finished)
Lu Bu

Again, your argument is based on the fact that I was easily able to call upon my breadcrumbs when needed.
How, praytell, is that scummy?
What is the point of breadcrumbs if you cannot recall them at will?
I can still pull out breadcrumbs from a game I played in two years ago based on keywords. That's how I work, that's how I got my Title.
I don't see how this is inherently scummy when either alignment uses breadcrumbs and needs to utilize them.

And the scum are so stupid they've been offing VT.

Oh look, the exact same line I've been tossing around about Nacho.
I'm pretty sure I make this point later so I'll hold off at the moment.

These are his real breadcrumbs.

Yes, yes they are.

He took out Mollie, and cabd too.

Ah, no. Still not possible for me to kill two people in one night; still not possible for scum to have a JoaT.
More on this later because I know I cover it at least three times.

His claim alone has provided all the WIFOM needed to take his team to the end as a result.

Important notice: Here he is implying that I am a ScumJoaT, so I'd have all the same powers and stuff blah blah blah.

---

NEW POINT I JUST THOUGHT OF THAT DOESNT REALLY DO MUCH:
I'm Shulk. I wield the Monado. Dunban is dead. Reyn is dead. Mumkhar is dead. Zanza is dead. Meyneth is dead.
So.
Who else uses the Monado that is still alive besides me?
Oh wait, no one. So who, fakeclaim-wise, can use the Monado and would therefore have access to the JoaT powers through the Monado?

Yeah, pretty weak argument since that assumes ALOT regarding fakeclaims but since I'm already STORMTYPING I figured why not?

---

Back to the real point- ScumJoaT does not fit into the setup. Especially since he thinks I'm RedScum.

It also explains why he's having to "go back for a re-read", though after meta diving him, he's completely on top of the games he's been in.

I go back for rereads all the time. Except games I replace in- that's a reread in and of itself.

And Andy first claimed in 3334

VOTE: VARSOON

1) I shot varsoon last night. He isn't dead. Town_protective roles have no reason to protect him.
2) Nacho isn't dead. TownBastionofLightandGlory Nacho isn't dead. Its D4. I'm not sure how much else I want to claim at the moment but suffice to say I think Nacho has a chance of being scum.

orc flip is shocking and saddening.
MS probably isn't MechonisScum.


tl;dr: Shot varsoon in the face- he's not dead. pewpew

Just after I first posted my position on him in 3332.

Scum knew he was claiming PR

before

the night phase and yet VT was killed.

I'm inferring you mean Night Four, because I claimed D4.
But no VT was killed N4.
So I'm confused.
But I'll address BOTH OF THEM!!!

Night Three I wasn't killed because Red crosskilled and Blue killed Sajin, a VT, because

they had to

. Sajin's notice of Venmar's breadcrumb which led directly to RachMarie's lynch all but confirmed Sajin as NonBlueScum.
Night Four I'm inferring that Red's shot failed and Blue shot Ghostlin. Why am I inferring that Blue shot Ghostlin and not Red? Because Red had no need to kill Ghostlin- Ghostlin was neighbors with BlueScum, thus Ghostlin was confirmed NonBlueScum upon orc's death.
Blue had to kill who they did N3 and N4 so they could not deviate.
Red crosskilled N3 (good play) and their shot failed N4.
I WONDER WHERE IT WENT?
WHO KNOWSES PRECIOUS WHO KNOWSES

But seriously- me (and nacho) are alive because scumbags are busy elsewhere.

he's completely on top of the games he's been in.

this breaks my self imposed ban but
nacho
kindly explain to spinach
what happened the last game we were in
and how on top of that i was

Just kidding I'll fucking do it.

Last game, LoLMafia, Nacho was scum and I was town.
I was 'on top' of that game for oh, 2.5 gamedays. Then it all went to hell.
So no, I'm generally not on top of my games- even the games where I'm obvtown I rarely get a FIRM GRASP on scum and can't really apply pressure on them.
Rare exceptions include Storm of Swords and BNM.

Another intersting point- you keep referencing my meta on crumbing, being on top of games, and yet you actually did NO READING on me as you just admitted.
Curious.
Which makes me think you're scum contriving arguments you didn't actually put in the work to look up/defend better.

Yes, I'm actually serious Andy. It's a game and it furthers your wincon and it takes out someone who aparently knows you better than the rest of us. It's not like you actually killed her. Is that the only point you have an objection to?

pedit- I guess not, but I still see you as scum going all the way back to 1622. And from something I read somewhere...players with your experience who make it this far into the game, especially with a claimed town PR, are usually scum.

pedit2 you should remember that I think

Point the first: This was my first game with mollie and cabd (and you and GiF and orc and RM and TMT and mac and ...) so they don't know me at all. Hence the getting to know youuuuuu mollie/andy that was going on.

The only person here who knows me well is Nacho, who's been pretty consistent in calling me town.

I cant kill both mollie and cabd the same night.

anywho back to reading, drinking, and listening to the Rains

No? Use your vig on one and convince your team to take out the other. And then you crumbed it as you stated you would with your actions. I know you said you used it on Varsoon, but that would mean I would have to believe you first.

Another key point: in order for me to kill both of them in one night I

have

to be a scum killing role, notably, JoaT.
Ok so this is here because I'm making the point that he thinks I'm a ScumJoaT.

Oh.
So let's say I did kill both of them.
And Venmar still killed himself on RM as he said he would.
Where then, did the BlueTeam kill go off to? (I say Blue because he thinks I'm RedScum, as we'll get to later.)
Did that happen to disappear the very same night RedScumAndy shot two people?

Oh and by the way.
ScumJoaT makes no sense.
From a balance perspective.

1. ²,

Zanza, Bionis Aligned Ability Cop,

was lynched Day 1.

14. RachMarie,

Mumkhar, Mechonis Aligned 1-Shot Strongman,

was lynched Day 3.

13. orcinus_theoriginal,

Meyneth, Mechonis Aligned Godmother Neighbor,

was killed Night 3.

So BlueTeam is very weak. Red team is quite strong, especially if you factor in the RedScum JoaT (with a kill) that spinach wants factored in.
RedTeam HEAVILY OUTWEIGHS BlueTeam, and even SUPERSTRONG EgilScum (the obvious last blue) couldn't tip the balance that far given red still has one more member.

Yeah, Red with an ability cop, JoaT powers, that extra kill, and #3 against a Godmother Neighbor (weak since there is a limited use cop and as far as I know being godmother doesn't prevent hiders from dying) and a 1shot strongman implies that RedScum has the Roleblocker. Unless town does but why Town_RB would block my shot N3 is beyond me.

OH OKAY.
So this is spinach's RED TEAM:
2, Zanza, Ability Cop
#3, Roleblocker
Andrius, JoaT with a kill

This against a GodmotherNeighbor and a 1shot Strongman and UNKNOWN Egil?
Yeah.
RedTeam broken.

Now remember- he is saying that I have to be a ScumJoaT.
Which incidentially doesn't fit in the balance of the scumteams.

No, I'm saying fake claim JoaT And, actual SK or SM Andyscum.

So now he's saying JoaT is a fakeclaim.
In which case there is no way I could have killed two people in one night.
Case closed.

I'm clear.
Give me the

town leader

dunce cap back and lets' roll.















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...

IMMA LET MYSELF FINISH FIRST

No, I'm saying fake claim JoaT And, actual SK or SM Andyscum.

Possibilities:

1) Fakeclaim of JoaT

2) SK
3) SM Andyscum

Don't know what SM means.

If I were a SK I'd be a shitty SK since
1) I haven't killed a single thing yet
2) Nacho isn't dead

No but seriously- as we cleared up, I'd obviously kill off people who knew me well and that happens to be... only Nacho this game.
So if I were SK I'd have shot him

and he'd have been dead

since no one else targeted him N1 as per my Watch.
pewpew

No, I'm saying fake claim JoaT And, actual SK or SM Andyscum.

Possibilities:

1) Fakeclaim of JoaT

2) SK

3) SM Andyscum

No idea what this is but ok.

YOU THOUGHT I WAS DONE? HAH. WALL THE SECOND.

Again, all quotes belong to spinach.

On Andy. So it's much slower today than I speculated, so I decided I could at least be productive here if not at work.

k lets dance its not like i was going to do something with my day besides sit here and repost my stuff but w/e.

175 purposely remove the direction in the quotes for BRO. What purpose is there in doing this kind of extra work other than for hiding stuff? Sure, he had some for Sven as well, but he left the redirect in the source quotes from Sven before breaking it down point by point. Don't like.

gonna have to give me a hand with this i dont get what you're grasping at

You mean I didn't leave the sourcelink in?

When you hit the QUOTE button you get the sourcelink.
If I don't want the whole thing I copypaste the text I want and add quotetags myself. Which obviously doesn't have the sourcequote but w/e saves me time.

while he broke it down sentence by sentence.

I do alot of crafty things with my diction.
when I actually bother to spell things out, capitalize correctly, and punctuate scentences that means I'm trying.

when i make posts like this or walls like this or replies like this that means im either mad and speedtyping to get the point across without stopping for commas or periods or caps or im annoyed and cant be bothered or its a statement that doing so for you is simply not worth my time

Quoting scentence by scentence is a nice way of keeping things clear as to what I'm respondind to.

Andy boldly claiming scum early
1114 I've done it before its quite easy
1138 Um you just claim scum.
Then they lynch you. gg

That's not claiming scum.
What I did in Greek Mythology, SAIII, Strategy Mafia, and that Open I just replaced into (now over) is claiming scum. And BDM.
I don't mean 'teehee look at me' I mean
'You caught me good job guys I'm scum'.

Again if you bothered to meta me at all you would have learned some of this.
Oh, and not like it needs to be said but I don't claim scum as town. That's silly.

Triumvirate-is a political regime dominated by three powerful individuals. This after he speculated early about two mafia factions with no real reasoning other than speculation. Guess that wipes the Nacho and BRO associatives. Unless you interpret this as Andy calling Orc other scum. I don't read this as referring to the townbloc, though he did use the same term to refer to them.

I was wondering when people would bring this up; I 'established' the Triumvirate to establish my townreads for Nacho and orc in that I couldn't see them as scum.
I don't put scum knowingly into a townbloc.
With a few exceptions.

1825 "But the guy I'm attached to I'll never be able to lynch. :/", so now he's JoaT ~and~ mason/neighbor. Also, why could he lynch him? Would that be because by that point it was probable for 2 lynch, leaving two on team red? It's starting to look to me like 2's miserable D1 play was just gambit to put their partners as far away from them as possible.

Dude you read waaaaaay too deep into things.
Nacho said "why can't you be scum / i wanted to lynch you so badly"
I said "I know the feel. But the guy I'm attached to I'll never be able to lynch. :/"

That guy I mentioned? Nacho.
<3 him and all but skillcap required to lynch scumcho is way above me.

If I were a neighbor/mason you wouldn't see me being jealous of neighbors.

You are an idiot for claiming and your anger looks incredibly untownie

Ghostlin and I are neighbors

..Um, now you're what the fucking me. No, literally, you're dropping acid..

I didn't even barely softclaim that; you presumed I was talking about you.

How, I might as well fucking confirm it. We are fucking neighbors.

I am so jealous.

2263 says he's unemployed and out of school, yet recently he's been on a business trip which has consumed his time and that's why he hasn't been contributing. Interesting, but I could just be taking the purpose of his trip wrongly.

Yes, I am unemployed and recently graduated.
When I said 'business trip' I meant 'going to a networking group for the greater puget sound area in order to meet-and-greet, exchange cards and be chummy with business executives to try and get a job on the west side'.
But I figured calling it a business trip would be acceptable.

In fact, 2263 is one i think everyone should go back and read in detail.

I don't see what you're getting at.

2269 "You can infer a lot from only your role.". Yes, when you're scum for example, you know all the players who are against you, and when you see there's only three members on your team in a 20 person you can also assume multiball very early on...

So. Remember how I said that there were times spinach is literally grasping at anything he can to help try and pin me as scum? Literally anything no matter how small?
This is the perfect example.
As Im about to explain.

He instantly takes this as "KNOW YOUR SCUMCHUMS AND MULTIBALL".

What I meant is the following:

I am Shulk, Colonist-Aligned 3-Shot JOAT.

What I can learn from my Role PM is as follows:

1) I am not aligned with the Bionis so Zanza_scum is a certainty.
2) My Monado Buster kills. Now perhaps, and this may be a bit bastard but, perhaps- like the game- the Monado only works on Mechon. So that might be why my kill on varsoon failed- because he flipped High Entia, which is not Mechon and thus cannot be killed with the Mechon 1.0. But that is pure speculation and I still think RedTeam RB'd me.
3) Monado Shield is a doc protect and implies multiple ways to die (other than myself).

Oh hey remember Tyrea? How she's a Miller?
She's a Miller b/c she tried to kill Melia in the Tomb and is part of the Bionite Order.
BIONITE. ORDER.
So she's probably a Miller to the BionisScum.
THE THINGS YOU LEARN FROM READING

That is what I meant- there are plenty of things you can learn by reading a bit deeper, so to speak.
But instead he instantly assumes scummotivation.

I also don't like how he came off knowing it was multiball so early on.

I didn't know, as shown here:

Zanza and his Disciples are scum, but I could be wrong here. Egil and Co. could go down as Mafia2 or Town in some all-against-Zanza scheme.

Done.
Multiball was not certain and certainly makes more sense from a FIRST HALF OF THE GAME perspective as opposed to ALL AGAINST ZANZA for the second half.

I'm waiting for you to catch up.

Don't worry I handled it.

You can explain this, especially keeping his latest responses in mind.

D1 play.

I KNOW YOURE NOT TALKING TO ME BUT HERE I COME WALL THE THIRD

He can't be THE protector and JoaT at the same time.

I definitely think there's another protective role in this game but assuming that this statement is false in every game is bound to get you in trouble.

Diving his meta last night showed me he crumbs scum too, and how he does it.

False- you just admitted you didn't actually do any reading.
Though yes, I do crumb but in a different manner entirely.
You don't want to LOCKDOWN a claim as scum until you have to so being fluid with crumbing multiple roles works in some games (Open 239) but in others you just have to stick with THE safeclaim (Strategy Mafia).

Thanks for that. It seemed they'd played a few games together.

Nacholove and Andylove didn't just appear out of nowhere.
<3

That wasn't so bad was it?

WALL THE FOURTH

On Andy. There seems to be many inconsistencies with several of his posts.

Because you know all about inconsistencies.

Ok, so he claims JoaT, goes on to explain how he investigated Nacho N1, protected Nacho N2, and then even though he's explained why its suspicious Nacho hadn't been targeted by then and that he would be "hard pressed to pick ANYONE but him to be shot" instead to shot at Varsoon on N3. That just doesn't sit right with me.

I meant I'd be hard pressed to shoot anyone but Nacho AS SCUM.
He was obviously a strong player and obviously a target so I did what I did to save him.
He didn't even get looked at with a dirty grimace.
So obviously I'm confused.
Grasping at straws, son.

Then there's this. He's gloating over the night kill of Mollie and cabd (because he didn't even mention Venmar who was also killed that night; what, is he not worthy of a mention?). When I first called him out on that he responds basically- 'cant kill two in one night-derp!', but he can protect two?!? Yeah, not buying that one either.[/quote]
Weeping (;_;) over the death of mollie (and cabd) is not gloating. Again, you're stretching things because you want me to be scum.

(because he didn't even mention Venmar who was also killed that night; what, is he not worthy of a mention?).

Venmar died doing his duty. That's like criticizing a bodyguard of not playing well when he died N1 protecting someone.

When I first called him out on that he responds basically- 'cant kill two in one night-derp!', but he can protect two?!? Yeah, not buying that one either.

Well no of course I can't protect two people.
Again, you're stretching me being sad over two deaths to mean I could have protected them both.
I could have protected ONE of them.
I didn't protect either.
My fault they died.
But I couldn't save both.

BATMAN COULDNT EITHER
RACHEL STILL DIED DESPITE HIS EFFORTS
RACHELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
WHY DID YOU COME FOR ME NO RACHELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

How many roles does one player get?!? JoaT ~and~ indestructible.

Dude if nothing else clues readers in before this point its this-
the SHEER WILLPOWER was a joke.
Willpower comes from a couple things- namely the LoLMafia game that was running CONCURRENTLY. (By my will, this shall be finished.) And the Green Lantern Corps from BNM/BDM.

If I were unkillable I'd be all over this thread from the get-go.
Games where I'm not concerned with my life (Frenzy Mafia) and games where I am (Cult v. Masons) play out VERY DIFFERENTLY.

Is that in response to Andy crumbs town only as town vs probable town night actions and actual scum actions as scum? I think that was deleted in the crash so thanks for reminding me if that's what you're getting at.

...this is really simple so I don't know how you are asking.
As town you crumb your role.
As scum it varies based on what's going on.
As I've said before. (The whole Open239 v Strategy Mafia deal.)

I did too, but as much as I would have liked to have seen it I won't be cruel and have him type it all out again for naught...

FUCKING TYPED IT UP AGAIN YOU BETTER READ IT

Ok, there's actually a lot of crumbing Andy/Nacho scum team in this post, so everyone should probably go look at the entire wall. This is just the most blatant example.

...I may be dumb and thick and unobservant at times, but

crumbing your scumbuddies

is just plain moronic and something I have never done.

"Guaranteed" is such a strong word, especially in a game like this. Regardless of how many times you've played with someone.

That's the point- he always knows.

Yeah, Nacho is scum #2 for the team. He said as much himself (probably drunk slip, but slip none the less) in a couple of places in the whole 1v1v1 of Nacho/TD/MS.

Confirmation he thinks I'm red.
And given I blew that out of the water earlier I'm town.

I KNOW THIS IS MEANT FOR SPINACH/NACHO BUT IM HERE ANYWAY WALL FIVE

"hard pressed to pick ANYONE but him to be shot" instead to shot at Varsoon on N3. That just doesn't sit right with me.

Hard pressed to pick anyone but him to be shot if he were scum, not town vig.

Exactly this.

Then there's this. He's gloating over the night kill of Mollie and cabd (because he didn't even mention Venmar who was also killed that night; what, is he not worthy of a mention?). When I first called him out on that he responds basically- 'cant kill two in one night-derp!', but he can protect two?!? Yeah, not buying that one either.

He never suggested that he could protect them both, and was making a "sorry for failing to protect you, my dear" which I sort of understand you seeing as a scumtell but really isn't (I freaked out after I died in a newbie game when a player apologized for failing to protect me).

Never suggested I could protect them both.
CANT BE SHIPPED WITH MOLLIE IF SHES DEAD NOW CAN I?

How many roles does one player get?!? JoaT ~and~ indestructible. Picking my feet off the floor now. The shit's getting pretty damned high in here... I guess the SHEER WILLPOWER thing can be fundamentally true though Seeing how I think he's the one who offed Mollie, lynching him would take out the one who ended her...

That was definitely a joke.

This.

Ok, there's actually a lot of crumbing Andy/Nacho scum team in this post, so everyone should probably go look at the entire wall. This is just the most blatant example.

THIS is the more interesting point. Andy, you definitely didn't seem to have the same confidence that I could read you as you do in this game. Why is that?

Nacholove.
If I were able to read you and/or had the ability to lynch you
LoLMafia would have turned out differently.

Well Nacho, he's either crumbing you a scum partner or framing you for the same. That's why I support a Andy or MS lynch today and not a Nacho.

...you really don't get this whole NACHOLOVE/ANDYLOVE do you

YES MOLLIE IM SORRY I LET YOU DIE
I THOUGHT I COULD GO OUT WITH THE GUYS FOR A DRINK
AND THE MINUTE I DO YOU WIND UP DEAD
THATS ON ME
thats on me honey
;_;

Um at the close of D2 mollie had the sads because I said I'd be seeing Nacho that night.
This is in response to that.
I did not think she'd die and if I had any inclination she were cop I'd have protected her.
But it was guy's night out for nacho's scumday so I was busy elsewhere.
And paid for it.

Sad cabd died too but







tl;dr

POSSIBILITIES OF SPINACH's:
1) RedScum JoaT Andy
2) RedScum Fakeclaiming JoaT Andy
3) SK
4) TownAndy

1) RedScum JoaT Andy does not work for balance reasons against the BlueTeam
2) RedScum fakeclaimng JoaT Andy doesn't work because then I'd only have one kill which blows his KILL BOTH PEOPLE argument out of the water
3) There are no unaccounted for extra kills
4) Only possibility left.

Now on spinach.
He's clearly grasping at straws trying to find the scum.
Inciting my "meta" numerous times after admitting he actually did little if no reading at all.
Stretching everything he comes across including jokes.

Now.

I still think TD is town for D1 play but I see the concerns and I see the people who think he's scum and I would be fine lynching him. WOTC wins over my vote.
SAD is scum because lurking and not posting.
spinach might be blue. He's putting in effort and whatnot TRYING to find the reds so he might be blue blending in with the town trying to find the scum.
Nacho is town and seriously someone needs to slap sense into me when I think otherwise.
GiF is town.
BRO is town.
Or at least they're not blue.
MS could be red assuming the other one is a stronger player.

So. FINALLY

1. ²,

Zanza, Bionis Aligned Ability Cop,

was lynched Day 1.

11. Mac,

Melia, Colonist Aligned Vanilla,

was killed Night 1.

16. TheReverend,

Tyrea, Colonist Aligned Miller Tracker,

was killed Night 1.

2. Aj The Epic,

Riki, Colonist Aligned Vanilla,

was lynched Day 2.

4. BeautyAndTheBeast,

Alvis, Colonist Aligned Even-Night Cop,

was killed Night 2.

7. Venmar,

Juju, Colonist Aligned 2-Shot Hider,

was killed Night 2.

6. Cabd,

Reyn, Colonist Aligned Vanilla,

was killed Night 2.

14. RachMarie,

Mumkhar, Mechonis Aligned 1-Shot Strongman,

was lynched Day 3.

13. orcinus_theoriginal,

Meyneth, Mechonis Aligned Godmother Neighbor,

was killed Night 3.

15. Sajin,

Dunban, Colonist Aligned Vanilla,

was killed Night 3.

20. Varsoon,

Yumea, Colonist Aligned Vanilla,

was lynched Day 4.

8. Ghostlin,

Fiora, Colonist Aligned Neighbor,

was killed Night 4.

Mac was killed because he was a strong player and my guess is they thought he might have been a PR. Guess? Redscumkill.
Reverend was a Tracker and I feel like Blue might have shot him. Then again if we're looking at the Miller part I get more of a redvibe since that Miller points directly to BionisScum.

Ruling out me killing both mollie AND cabd, one team killed B2B because they were a strong player and maybe picked up on a PR vibe? idk
cabd killed b/c strong townie.
Venmar died doing his duty

orc was a crosskill from redteam.
sajin was a necessary kill from blueteam b/c he was confirmed nonblue.

Redteam's kill is missing N4
Blueteam killed Ghostlin because Ghostlin was also confirmed NotBlue


No room for a SK here unless they forget to send in actions and/or just aren't shooting. (lol)


Oh yeah Nacho.
I rescind any claims to you being scum namely because D1 play.
Also why TD is town (to me).
And why TMT is scum.

And because playing this game without living in fear of nachoscum is much better. <3
So.
People I'm ok with lynching:
TD, spinach, SAD
Preferably SAD because losing to lurkers isn't fun.
I'll compromise on TD.

Oh.
And if spinach is indeed blue you can bet anything I'll be dead tomorrow.
Because he still thinks I'm scum.

[Andrius]

Hot DAMN that looks sexy <3

[Andrius]

In other news there are a couple things that obviously didn't make it to this post from the old one, and a couple NEW THINGS that did.
Sadly, the old content was probably better.

[Andrius]

Keep it coming, my replies are being typed up as you drop yours in.

[Andrius]

Make it clear when you're done and I'll drop mine.

[Andrius]

Crumbing the actions of both town AND scum is. That's my point, which it seems you missed. May e look over that again.

So you're saying that I'm ScumJoaT, crumbing my actions to appear town when they're really scum actions?

But then in the

very next post

you say you don't think I'm actually JoaT.

So how am I crumbing both town and scum roles when, as you say, I'm not a JoaT? So I'm doing extra lying faking scum actions (which makes no sense).

And I'm saying you claimed JoaT, not that I necessarily believe that claim.

You heard it here first people- he just knocked off one of the three distinct possibilities. I am not a RedScumJoaT.

You wouldn't kill Nacho with your SK when he's your scum buddy.

Serial Killers don't have buddies.
Mafia don't get SK kills.
I don't get what you're trying to say here otherwise.
Because if I were RedNonJoaTScum with Nacho and I had a second kill that'd be
1) broken
2) sad because ive only ever "killed" one person with it

So far, you're still scum though.

And you're still stretching that one dollar you think you have.

You know if you actually think I'm scum you could just shoot me tonight.

I know you were talking about Nacho, I implied as much, and agreed you couldn't lynch him because that would bring your scum team down to one. So, it basically sounds like you accept that point, if only from a different point of view.

Except you assume we're both scum here.
I'm trying to convey that in any game site-wide through my history I don't think I've ever managed to find Scumcho and lynch scumcho.
So yes, take that as a OBV MUST BE SCUM if you want but that's not how it is.

Now it's three shots? You said you used your ONE shot and then your sword broke.

"Shulk, Colonist-Aligned 3-Shot JOAT" is my rolename from my PM, complete with ALLCAPS JOAT as opposed to how I write it out.
3 shot because I have three 1shot abilities.
1 + 1 + 1 = 3

You said you used your ONE shot and then your sword broke.

...you DO understand what a JoaT is, right?
I have THREE 1shot abilities-

1shot Monado Buster - 1shot Kill
1shot Monado Shield - 1shot Protect
1shot Visions of the Future - 1shot Watch

Three abilities that can only be used once each.
1 + 1 + 1 = 3

I don't understand how this is so hard for you to understand.

Its like if I have one cookie, one pie, and one cake I have 3 foodstuffs but only one of each.

i hope this isn't a direct quote

Of course it is.
My rolename.
If I die for posting it that's fine with me (I won't because TheReverend posted his full one so we're good).

You're absolutely right, but I die if I use it successfully. Why do you think I was on about GiF and it being ok for her to come out as other Cop if she had reads? Hmmm...... Good job having me give that up, but you get nothing more by hitting me than you would by hitting anyone else at least

I don't follow this at all.
Layman's terms? >____>

And I also admitted I was gambiting so you could "correct" me, thereby CONFIRMING my suspicions. Which you did. Please don't leave out that tidbit.

Enlighten me as to how this was a gambit.

And, I see you crumbing more than just town. I know that's simple.

I still don't understand this whole deal of yours on crumbing more than town when town.

SK one, team kill the other. Not that hard is it?

Yeah you don't understand.
A Serial Killer works alone.
Is by himself.
Has no buddies.
And is definitely not aligned with the mafia.

Someone other than me please explain to him how erroneous this statement is because I'm not sure he can see it since I'm CONF.SCUM in his eyes.
Just explain how a Serial Killer has no allies.

And SK can't be one shot why?

Yeah so now you think I'm a SK.
Great.
So, how exactly does that work?
I fail literally every shot every night except for mollie/cabd?
And then I talk to my SK buddies (because Serial Killers come in groups) to kill the other?
Yeah that's not how SKs work wayne.

That's a really nice looking frame there. What art supply store did that come from?

No I'm just stating that you're more likely blue than red at this point given you've been gunning for Nacho/Me for most of D5 and since Red is the only team with buddies it makes sense you're Blue.

Confirmation he thinks I'm red.
And given I blew that out of the water earlier I'm town.

Got some 'splainin' to do Lucy. Where did you "blow it out of the water" that you can't be red. I sure didn't see that. I saw you try to, but for me you just went straight up and straight back down. Into the water.

I give you:

tl;dr

POSSIBILITIES OF SPINACH's:
1) RedScum JoaT Andy
2) RedScum Fakeclaiming JoaT Andy
3) SK
4) TownAndy

1) RedScum JoaT Andy does not work for balance reasons against the BlueTeam
2) RedScum fakeclaimng JoaT Andy doesn't work because then I'd only have one kill which blows his KILL BOTH PEOPLE argument out of the water
3) There are no unaccounted for extra kills
4) Only possibility left.

Oh, and
5) Andy is a Serial Killer aligned with the RedScumTeam.

5) That's simply not how the game works. SKs are alone.

Doesn't that three shot means that he had one shot for each of his ability?

Yes.

If you can link me to be game, ONE, where you threw your hands up in the air and said "Good job, you found scum" where you had one mosquito bugging you and the rest of the town didn't seem to be buying it, I'll drop my whole case on you. Otherwise, I'll read the games you linked tonight as promised..

Your turn

Pedit- I read that as 3 kill shots, but I suppose it cou,d be as you said too GiF.

No, I generally wind up claiming scum when caught or in the process of dying.
Surrender isn't really on the menu.

[Andrius]

Not gonna lie I have much disappointment when I drop a wall and I get a couple posts in response.

[Andrius]

SK as secret kill. I've been in two games where scum get a one shot on this.

Explaining this three posts ago would have made so much more sense.
I don't know where bork is from but MS generally doesn't do tons of secret kills/extra kills for the scum.
Generally for good reason.

Nope. Try again. Would be much easier with the first word of this post.

Stiiiiiiill don't get whatever it its you're trying to convey to me.
But ok.

Other site meta, but it probably wasn't as rigorously balanced as it is here. But, don't read this as me all of a sudden believing your JoaT claim. Just how I could see JoaT, in principle, differently

Welcome to MS.
We do things our way, and are the biggest and best mafia site there is.
Namely if you love condescending assholes.

Really hate doing this, because it means it'll be hard to use again. By saying I dove you and that you crumb town regardless of alignment and scum as wel when scum, it leaves you with 3 choices. Point out town games where you crumb scum. Call me out and make me provide examples. Concede the point. You conceded the point, but went on to say you crumbed no scum here. Now it's my job to find something other than Mollie/cabd to hilight. I saw so etching on my first go through of your ISO. Lets see if it still pings with all this new info. I'll dig later.

Still don't see how its a gambit.
Generally gambits are useful.
The only way I see this being a gambit is you getting out of actually reading my games, so you said you did, so its a 'gambit' in the sense you're trying to get by without reading while pretending you did.
That's what I get from all of this.

Point out town games where you crumb scum.

I still don't understand how this works.
When you're town you crumb your role and only your role.
Don't know how scum makes its way into this equation.

I've seen one shot secret kill scum on a team before. Again, not here so I would like opinions other than yours on this.

Again, I was operating under SK = Serial Killer.
Yes, I've seen scum having extra kills.

1) It still doesn't make any sense being balanced against Blue, assuming I'm red.
2) DEFINITELY doesn't make sense being balanced aainst Red, assuming I'm blue.
3) Welcome to MS. There are better ways of balancing games without giving scum more kills.

[Andrius]

Ok I found it.
I see crumbs.
You see alignment crumbs.
I think we're at a disconnect here.
Explain what you mean by both because, to me, there only exists breadcrumbs. Which, like anything, can be used for good or evil.

[Andrius]

Soooo you're giving me crap for not being dead.
Who've you been targeting the past four nights while still managing to be alive?

[Andrius]

Also why the sudden urge to claim?

[Andrius]

Is there any particular reason you didn't protect N1?

...how do you know this is LyLo?

You're assuming no crosskills when this is really the night to do it.
Blue especially.

[Andrius]

Still don't see how its a gambit.
Generally gambits are useful.
The only way I see this being a gambit is you getting out of actually reading my games, so you said you did, so its a 'gambit' in the sense you're trying to get by without reading while pretending you did.
That's what I get from all of this.

Because then all I would have to do to prove, once and for all, that you're scum is to ISO you and find one other situation aside from the Mollie/cabd one. By doing the actual work, it would lead to a huge point/counterpoint wherein the actual content would be burried and muddled. About all you can do now if I can find something is say bullshit and hope the rest of the game agrees with you.

I still don't understand this town/scumcrumbing idea.
Its called breadcrumbing- leaving tips of your role for others to find. There is no 'towncrumb' and 'scumcrumb', there is just the act of breadcrumbing and the motivations behind it.

I'm not sure to what heresy you worship, but in the Holy Church of Breadcrumbers there is no towncrumb and scumcrumb. All breadcrumbs are created equal under the eyes of the law, and only the motivations behind their creation are town or scummy.

So tell me- where is the scum motivation in broadcasting night actions before they happen?
Or alternatively- where is the scum motivation in broadcasting fake night actions before they happen?

There is none.
Same as there is no "scumcrumbing" or "towncrumbing".

So what I'm getting from you is that there is some scummotivation behind my breadcrumbing (and since you choose to overlook any and all town motivations for anything I do) you label the entirety of the breadcrumbs as these heretical 'scumcrumbs'.

[Andrius]

Still don't see how its a gambit.
Generally gambits are useful.
The only way I see this being a gambit is you getting out of actually reading my games, so you said you did, so its a 'gambit' in the sense you're trying to get by without reading while pretending you did.
That's what I get from all of this.

Because then all I would have to do to prove, once and for all, that you're scum is to ISO you and find one other situation aside from the Mollie/cabd one. By doing the actual work, it would lead to a huge point/counterpoint wherein the actual content would be burried and muddled. About all you can do now if I can find something is say bullshit and hope the rest of the game agrees with you.

Here you are again, so tunnelminded into the ANDY CAN PROTECT TWO PEOPLE WHAT IS THIS SORCERY and ANDY CAN KILL TWO PEOPLE WHAT IS THIS WITCHCRAFT

The simplest explanation is that I was merely lamenting their loss. (Which, I was.) I breadcrumbed the protect on Nacho, scum probably saw it and steered clear from Nacho. Done. CANT SAVE ALL THE TOWNIES

So what exactly are you looking for, again? An instance of me lamenting the loss of townies who I didn't protect?

[Andrius]

Meanwhile, SAD is still not posting and still needs to die.

Vote: Ser Arthur Dayne

GiFtown.
BROtown.
Nachotown.

[Andrius]

Andy. You said that the Varsoon shot failed because Monado only works on Mechon or whatever, so why

Addendum: The fact that you're ALIVE after being shot is sending up ten thousand flags.

I didn't say that as though I knew it. All I know is it kills things. Anything more than that was speculation on my part, as I thought I said.
It was more SPECULATION that was not in my role and thus, the presence of said clause would mean bastard moddery. (That which would be perfectly acceptable to me.)

[Andrius]

One more question Andy. What happened since 3334 to now that made you put Nacho in your town pile other than me thinking you and he are scum? I mean in that time he's even made 3 posts that could easily be scum slips.

I keep going over your ISO, and though I can't find another scumcrumb (and yes, that's what I call them to differentiate and its based on the apparent motivation behind them; still don't understand why you're having a hard time wrapping your mind around that) I also can't find anything to make me change my mind on you. And I'm trying very hard. You were successful in at least making me second guess myself.

My read of D1 happened. Yes, I see that.

I can't find another scumcrumb

HERESY

Maybe I'm just giving too much credit to your skill

Ouch.

but while I see posts with a town feel to them, they're always followed up with something that nullifies that feel. Then, you lament over night kills and N2 wasn't the only one.

Fair enough.

Them you go from having Nacho as a strong scum read to strong town read with no justification, and this after I accuse the two of you of being a team.

Its reverse bussing- you expect me to distance from Nacho so I just get closer.

D1 reread op.

If you want me to see you as town, you're not giving me many reasons to.

I don't want you to. I want you to believe what you want, because that's the point behind the great Wisdom.

Now that's said, what's up with the no contributing floaters.

Watching mommy and daddy fight isn't fun. ;_;

Huh? Holy shit! Just going after scum... Who said that? Was that you Andy or was it Nacho?

Said what?

Scum isn't going to put this much effort in it...twice. They also aren't going to beat the same point over and over. They'll be more clear and concise I think. I lose and am good with you being town now. Even though we didn't see eye to eye.

I lose and am good with you being town now. Even though we didn't see eye to eye.

You don't lose- this was never a contest and finding the truth is never a loss.

Feel like I kinda owe Andy after putting him through the paces.

You owe me nothing.
Though THE scumbag might be a nice gift.

[Andrius]

gif don't claim
no need for that right now

[Andrius]

gif don't claim
no need for that right now

What?!? She as good as has already. It would only benefit scum for her to not give her reads now, so why would you stop her from doing that? Not liking the motivation here...

Because I picked up a couple hints so I think I know what he's going to claim?

He can give his reads without claiming. Reads need to happen- claiming PROBABLY doesn't.

[Andrius]

...I believe we were waiting for a claim?
Idk that might have been IMPORTANT

[Andrius]

dammit gif

[Andrius]

TBH I didn't realize he was at L-1 either.

:payingattentionOP:

[Andrius]

Nacho
if you drag me into LyLo again where you're scum
im going to seriously flip a shit

like srs
do you want to break my heart
MOLLIE IS ALREADY DEAD NACHO
AND DONT YOU TELL ME YOU BETRAYED ME
I CANT HANDLE
ANYMORE
HEARTBREAK

dammit nacho
dammit

dont make me do this again

boom massclaiming:
Shulk, Colonist Aligned 3-Shot JOAT
popcorning to MS

[Andrius]

hehehe

what happens if we go into night now
scum kill
if 2 townies die then shitouttaluck, no way that scum win
if one scumbag dies then we still have a LyLo with awesome townwin
if both die then awesomeawesome

just thinking out loud

[Andrius]

I really like the idea of scum killing each other tonight
huehue

because its trolling
and they have all the motivation in the world to shoot each other

[Andrius]

actually: popcorning to TD

[Andrius]

That's partially why I just went with a popcorn- anything could happen.
You didn't have to jump to MS, and I certainly wasn't planning on you doing so.

[Andrius]

K so here's my thing.
Still think TD is town.
Still think that that many townies can't be wrong.

Thus, a pickle.

I think Nacho is scum for the reason GiF was scum and thereby, TD is town.
GiF was more of a background prescence, not really doing major pushing on his own besides the varsoon deal D1. Yes, it makes sense for a doctor. Content to sit back and let others handle the ridiculous.

Take spinach for example- spinach was town because he ballstothewall'd yesterday and flipped over all the tables, including mine. That was definitely not RedPlay as reds could get away with more passivity. Blue couldn't- they needed to find red and find red quick.

So. TD is probably the last blue.
Nacho leans red for me.
And yes, I know that this goes against the whole TOWNCHO BASED SOLELY ON DAY ONE PLAY but. D1 Nacho was STRONG. Very STRONG. He fell off towards the end b/c girlfriend issues and working on his mom's deck IIRC.
After that he became less and less of a presence- I thought he was doing the reverse of me- strong early presence to establish towniness, then wear thin so he could sink into the shadows as a PR.
But he's not a PR- or at least didn't CLAIM a PR.

So that makes no sense from a town perspective- why suddenly slink back into the shadows after that great performance? I was expecting him to draw the NK early on because of his play- which makes sense as VTs should try and draw the NK away from PRs. (mac, cabd)


Bit of a rambling here but.

Yeah TD is probably blue because of his actual WORK to find scum yesterday when no one else really did that.
Then again I'd have to look to see if he suspected GiF as that'd be a MAJORCLUE.

Will read up on GiF too fwiw.

[Andrius]

And yes I go back and forward on Nacho constantly.
Deal with it. B)

[Andrius]

Yeah I've been conducting extensive "flavor research". >______________>

In other news I'll be posting today. My b.

[Andrius]

Yeah I've been conducting extensive "flavor research". >______________>

In other news I'll be posting today. My b.

And by today I mean at the latest tomorrow- we're apparently doing something for my birthday so I might be busy all today.

[Andrius]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY

(>^.^)> ilu bro

[Andrius]

Nacho is conf not red because he was untargetted night one.

Why would a scumdoctor not protect his scum mate?

I think this is badlogic.
They control one kill- they know town won't shoot obvtown Nacho.
They only have to worry about blue.
So, it depends.
Also, maybe he's bulletproof or something. Who knows?

tl;dr: You assume a lot about scummotivation.

[Andrius]

Persons I'm not lynching until tomorrow: BRO, MS.
Persons I'm willing to lynch: Nacho, TD.

FIRST AND FOREMOST:

RiskAnalysisAssessment

LYNCH TOWN:
- Scum HAVE to shoot for each other, and if they don't crosskill and don't both kill town the team that isn't shot wins.
- Scum crosskill at night. LOL townwin.
- Scum both kill town, scorched earth for scum.

LYNCH EITHER SCUM:
- Otherscum goes into night and shoots me, because it'd be silly to drag me into LyLo.
- Otherscum goes into night and shoots someone else for reasons that are not role-related and somehow are okay with dragging me into LyLo.

LYNCH NO ONE:
- Scum kill two townies. Leads to scorched earth as the last townie should probably never vote. If he does, he basically gives the game to whichever team he wants.
- One scum dies, the other kills town. Go into LyLo 2:1.
- Scum crosskill. GG townwin.

Here's what I

want

to happen: We lynch TD, who is more likely bluescum.
Here's what I

think

should happen: We lynch Nacho, whose color is highly unascertainable.

And yes, this goes against everything I said regarding ONLY DAY ONE PLAY because BlueTD (in my mind) is heavily dependent on yesterday's play and Scumcho relies heavily on... pretty much everything that happened from D2 on.


Let me know if I'm not making sense.

Currently grinding Despotic Arsene into the ground because holy crap its easy if you don't use physical damage and apparently Glory Armor is pretty darn good. Also because Ancient Daedala literally kills anyone who walks near him in FIRIN MAH LAZER style.

[Andrius]

...I think its supposed to be Risk Assessment Analysis. Whatever.

Idk man. I think Scumcho is likely for the reasons GiF was scum, and I think TD wasn't red for the same reasons.
TD is more likely blue for the same reason spinach could have been construed as blue yesterday.

I don't really want to relook at BRO again as he's held solid to me since D1 and I don't yet feel the PARANOIA creeping in.

Ugh.

In other news I'll be here all night drinking, conducting "flavor research", and maybe beating that damn Daedalus.

[Andrius]

someone hold me
I decided to beat the game
so I did
and now it is over

there is now a massive hole in my heart
and i have no mashed potatoes to fill it with
wat do

;___;

[Andrius]

As far as Sonic music goes that can't be beat- probably because its one of the few song Nikanor and I will sing drunk.

In other news, NEW GAME+ OP.

[Andrius]

<3

in other news
i take it you want to lynch TD today
if you had to pick a second
who would it be


predit: um no? not a great sonic fan, i just know that one game

[Andrius]

Definitely the former over the latter.

[Andrius]

Because a scumteam would get both a doc and a BP. That's excellent setup spec right there >.>

Thinking clearing and drinking don't mix.
>_____>

[Andrius]

I don't know what color he is but since TD makes way more sense as Blue he could be red.

[Andrius]

Look at his play yesterday compared to GiF.

tl;dr: His play spiked to a previously unseen mode of aggression, which tells me he was more geared for survival/actually finding scum. Red, like GiF, had no great reason to and were not nearly in as dire of circumstances to push hard. So GiF's passivity makes sense.