Graveyard Shift Mafia - ROLL CREDITS

[PeregrineV]

Saturday post!

[PeregrineV]

Shut out of first night shift. Not happening this time.

[PeregrineV]

All right. Bottom of page 7, found first vote.

Vote: Zepher

[PeregrineV]

Just got to page 17, and maybe Zoraster already answered, but at what point did you decide to Neighborize Logical and why?

[PeregrineV]

It wasn't even his idea! It was mine.

I don't think it's a stupid gambit, though obviously it worked out pretty shitty. Here's how we viewed it:

LD softclaims and then hardclaims cop guilty on me. Unless there's a second scum team out there, Mafia KNOWS he's faking or thinks I'm a miller or something. So mafia are the ONLY people in the game who can try to play the "oh, let's just hold up a minute guyz" card and white knight. So we planned to use LD's cop power (which was unused when he died) on someone who white knighted me. Mafia has ZERO incentive to kill LD at that point because they're pretty sure he's faking and if I die and flip town, then town turns on LD so why have mafia care?

Alternatively, from my perspective, maybe LD is just messing with me and is actually mafia. STILL, in that situation, mafia can't kill him .

The only way I see what happened happening is if (a) they have a rolecop and got curious what the hell was giong on or (b) if there's some funky power role crap going on in the background. I prefer the simpler path of a, but I really don't know. It just doesn't make sense for LD to get killed pulling that gambit. It was pretty safe from my perspective because even if people doubted him after the gambit, I could easily back him up.

If this is true, then Logical was baiting the town IC?

Suppose for a moment that Zoraster is scum and we are town BRO, what are your analytical results? P.S. They should wind up with either Jordan or BnB as scum given Zorasters hyper reaction. Looking at cross-shift tells is also a majorly important thing to do.

Why would he ask it this way to the town IC? If your statement is true, then he would by fishing out suspected scum, not asking Bro to waste time doing this.

[PeregrineV]

i don't understand your point.

You said that you had a plan that involves Logical hardclaiming a cop guilty on you, and checking for reactions (specifically scum whiteknighting innocent-you).

I'm asking, if the gambit was to be used for scumhunting, why are all of Logical's posts in the first night shift directed at Bro? And why is Logical asking Bro for analysis of Logical=town and you=scum when Logical "knows/thinks/feels" that you are NOT scum? He would effectively be asking the IC to waste time.

[PeregrineV]

credibility? I have no idea. I didn't coach him through every single thing he did or anything. the plan was to fake a guilty on me, not to be a hydra.

Isoing you too together doesn't seem like a tag-team approach to scumhunting. It looks like he copped you and then posted reads on every player after fullclaiming cop.

Vote: Zoraster

[PeregrineV]

For me, I want to believe Zor is town and this is a gambit. I just find it highly unlikely that out of 21 players, LD picks right based on Zor's single post to use his one-shot cop on. Like, the gambit Zor described seems kinda more likely to me than LD guessing right.

So you just flat out disbelieve Logical?

We target those in our same shift, max once per episode. We knew that we would be up early and scum would take advantage of the fact we are an anonymous hydra.

So we decided to use our ability early on someone who voted us early.

We discussed checking Aronis

but he was less likely to be scum in Titus’s opinion because he was being candid about voting us for being an anonymous hydra and moved his vote with reasons based on someone else acting scummy.

Zoraster worked better because it would give associative information on everyone

and

his reaction was pretty extreme to us basically sheeping

FourteenPointFive until we read the thread and verified what he was saying.

He also was attempting to cut off communications between the shifts

.

Knowing his alignment would also help us get our bearings.

Was he overly defensive because he already had a townread on Jordan and BnB or was he scum going into hyperdefensive mode afraid that FourteenPointFive might have one hell of a sheepable case? If Zoraster came back town, that would help get our reads in order.

Zoraster’s reluctance to work across shifts, as highlighted by our 415 means one of the wagons is likely on scum.

[PeregrineV]

Gonna get to this tomorrow evening. Want to get through the previous day phase and post stuff; iirc they didn't really respond to me much, which sort of annoyed me.

Got 8 hours Bro. This means like 9pm ish tonight Central Time.

[PeregrineV]

On the lovers thing, they could be both town, but that would really suck since we are effectively losing 3 town for one nightkill. This makes me lean town-scum on the lovers, and I don't think Infinite is scum.

[PeregrineV]

Yeah Yeah.

I'm gonna post shit to the next shift tonight after dinner. Should be up at around 8 ET.

Sorry, that's the price of confirmed town

More day shift:
People claim shit. Serene's push at Jesters at shift end looked bad. Bad as in not a push to discover who, if any, is scum, but a push about why Jesters is scum for claiming.

Zepher- I think you're scum.

ika- See the comment for your buddy above.

Zdenek- kick it up a notch. Right now you are DNME.

[PeregrineV]

It is currently a Night Shift.

Aronis
BROseidon
Dry-fit
FourteenPointFive
hiplop
iamausername
Logical Duality
PeregrineV
The Goat
xRECKONERx
Zoraster

Night shift-

Town: Bro, Aronis
Next: Reck, Dry-fit, Goat

Make me feel your towness: hiplop

Scum by action or POE at this point: 14.5, iamusername

Scum by solid townplay: Zoraster

[PeregrineV]

Oh shit.

Just did a Goat iso and I think there is no game content.

No, a little bit.

Random thoughts through the quick read through of the first six pages:

1) BirdAbdBeast is mildly psychotic. I like.

2) I would prefer to deal with the Pirate Mollie head of the Infinite Jesters hydra.

3) Agar appears to have done something that I felt pressured to do on occasion at MS. Basically, those rom other, more casual sites can wander in here and get chewed the hell up because they're used to fluff posting. So they start OVERanalyzing everything.

Unless, of course, he was FEIGNING the need to overanalyze. This requires further analysis.

Hmm. Or, maybe, it was genuine town concern, and he just freaked the hell out.

I will not be voting Agar.

vote: BirdAndBeast

we are lovers with sven

do you see him working with us?

serene was way too quick to give that town read IMO

serene is scum. so is sven.

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhh...

(Agar is, though.)

jesus christ look at who is trying to be protown

AGAR
SVEN
SERENE

So you out us as lovers ... and you want to lynch me, which would kill you. Good job. Or am I missing some logic here?

All, I would be down with a BandB lynch, I am leaning town

but I dont care, the spamming is just too much

. I knew mastin was a clown player without skill but I am suprised to AP sinking into mastins filth.

Still dont understand the Agar votes, it seems like on this site "if someone is being towny" he has to be "scum".

I also like mr Zphers start.

Please don't do this. If memory serves, voting someone for potential town behavior is contradictory to everything you stand for.

Good God. It is incredibly difficult to separate meta from play in this game. I still like my vote, but...Titus, a question:

You stated that you wanted to remain anonymous because you were concerned about an overabundance of scummy PMs giving people a biased read on you. Please pardon the paraphrasing, By PMs, do you mean that you're frequently roled as scum lately, and are concerned that people would think you more likely to be scum because of that?

Wow.

So...zoraster, you're suggesting that LD decided to out himself as a cop to run a gambit with you in the hopes of getting scum reads?

[PeregrineV]

town by solid scum play more like.

Logical flipped town after saying "Zoraster is guilty."
How is that "solid scum play"?

[PeregrineV]

It is currently a Night Shift.

Aronis
BROseidon
Dry-fit
FourteenPointFive
hiplop
iamausername
Logical Duality
PeregrineV
The Goat
xRECKONERx
Zoraster

Night shift-

Town: Bro, Aronis
Next: Reck, Dry-fit, Goat

Make me feel your towness: hiplop

Scum by action or POE at this point: 14.5, iamusername

Scum by solid townplay: Zoraster

Night shift-

Town: Bro, Aronis
Next: Reck, Dry-fit*

Make me feel your towness: hiplop

Scum by action or POE at this point: 14.5, iamusername, Goat

Scum by solid townplay: Zoraster

Looked at Dry-fit again, since he's taking a lot of dayshift flak. But, I like his early posting and don't see whatever it is dayshift is seeing. He can stay in Next for now, but I'll asterisk him.

[PeregrineV]

because, as i said: i did not expect scum to kill LD. he should have been left alive. but for whatever reason, either scum got lucky or they used something to find out that LD was actually the cop he was claiming -- even if they knew his result was bogus. Although I suppose they could be worried of multiple scum teams.

Fortunately, you are an experienced enough player to understand that your the lynch for today, correct?

Could town-you accept the inevitable and give your final reads? In case dayshift gets itchy trigger fingers despite Bros' hammer request.

[PeregrineV]

yeah, i probably should. but i'm on VLA until Sunday with my family, so the ability to go back and analyze may not be before the shift deadline.

How about an opinion on Goat, ika, and Zepher?

[PeregrineV]

For me, I want to believe Zor is town and this is a gambit. I just find it highly unlikely that out of 21 players, LD picks right based on Zor's single post to use his one-shot cop on. Like, the gambit Zor described seems kinda more likely to me than LD guessing right.

So you just flat out disbelieve Logical?

We target those in our same shift, max once per episode. We knew that we would be up early and scum would take advantage of the fact we are an anonymous hydra.

So we decided to use our ability early on someone who voted us early.

We discussed checking Aronis

but he was less likely to be scum in Titus’s opinion because he was being candid about voting us for being an anonymous hydra and moved his vote with reasons based on someone else acting scummy.

Zoraster worked better because it would give associative information on everyone

and

his reaction was pretty extreme to us basically sheeping

FourteenPointFive until we read the thread and verified what he was saying.

He also was attempting to cut off communications between the shifts

.

Knowing his alignment would also help us get our bearings.

Was he overly defensive because he already had a townread on Jordan and BnB or was he scum going into hyperdefensive mode afraid that FourteenPointFive might have one hell of a sheepable case? If Zoraster came back town, that would help get our reads in order.

Zoraster’s reluctance to work across shifts, as highlighted by our 415 means one of the wagons is likely on scum.

So, this is a scum claim if Zor flips town, right? Because you have to be joking with this bullshit if you can't see why I'd like to believe Zor's claim is true.

So you just flat out disbelieve Logical's given reason for investigating Zoraster, even after Logical has flipped one-shot cop?

See, if you answer this instead of deflecting it with a question, then it seems like you are answering it instead of deflecting it with a question.

And now, a bonus.

Why would you like to "believe Zor's claim is true"?

[PeregrineV]

bro

im town

now go away

Why do you think you were moved to day shift? And only you. And not between episodes but in the middle, so to speak?

[PeregrineV]

So it seems like scum is trying to take advantage of the the inactivity of this shift. I already thought iamausername was town but this makes me think it moreso.

I don't know what to make of Venmar.

What do you make of the 58 pages pre-Venmar?

[PeregrineV]

what exactly were you hoping to accomplish by talking to me, lol?

Doing something called make the game move, which apparently nobody this shift wants to do.

You got me for like 6 hours, so post'em if you got'em.

[PeregrineV]

Don't scum control shift placement? So why would they need a special action to move Venmar to us?

HOLY SCUM POSTING BATMAN!

Reck moves up to scum in our list. I knew someone was going to go "why did scum only move on player?" to draw attention to a extraneous detail, and I had the feeling that player would be scum.

When did you know "someone was going to go '

why did scum only move one player?

"
Considering mafia is the only ones who can switch shifts, why is Venmar's movement an "extraneous detail"?
You are basically calling the guy commenting about the elephant in the room scum for commenting on the elephant in the room.
Explain the above, and your rationale about how/why scum-Reck would need to point out the elephant his team just shoved into the room.

I mean, and with especially the other shift, the way the shifts are right now, we're pretty unproductive, I had a feeling that our shifts would not change much, if at all.

So was the 60 pages in one day unproductive, or the scumlynch on Zoaraster unproductive?
I had a feeling our shifts wouldn't change much, but that's because it aids in the process of elimination (as in Mafia in La-La-Land.

Cheery and I had been waiting on that. We're of the opinion that shift distributions and and changes are of little consequence, and are just a detail to muck things up some more. This also makes me wary of the Venmar vote a little bit. Reck's sheeping play of BRO is uninspiring, because Reckscum would know if BRO was right or not. And if BRO is wrong, all Reck gets to do is throw up his hands and say "I was following the confirmed town" and wash his hands of his play. I don't like it at all.

Think your confusing hiplop and Reck here. Which, given you already are claiming Reck is scummy, seems confusing how you can confuse them.

BnB is still playing like shit and is probably scum. The scumread has weakened a bit only because nothing about their play has changed, and others have actively been scum. I want to vote BnB here, we got a day though.

You've felt that way since 404.

We think that if the lovers are a scum-town pairs, Jesters are the scum, by way of Sven being so fucking town.

This has to be like the 100th post that I have the exact opposite opinion on. Why is Sven "so fucking town"?

Finally, Cheery disagrees with me on Peregrine, but I think he's bussing scum. When I entertained the thought that Zor's fakeclaim was true, he was very vehement in shutting down any and all discussion.

Discussion with the accused, because Zoraster was in our shift, and you didn't talk to him at all. Either head.
You managed somehow to believe and hope Zoraster was town, push a Logical lynch first, and not talk to him during that whole time.
Perhaps a detailed breakdown of your Zoraster townread would help us ignore any and all of your reads since he's already flipped scum.

It wasn't that he was telling me he didn't believe Zor,(866, 869) he was telling me it wasn't worth discussion because the outcome was already assured.(899) This reads to me like he is a scumbuddy who already knew the outcome and wanted some towncred by defending the lynch. It looked like 100% bussing.

Amazingly, I gave my opinion on why I disbelieved Zoraster(866, 869).
You should show my why you had developed the opposite opinion, since you were attacking the lynch.

[PeregrineV]

On the assumption

I think Goat didn't allow Zor to selfhammer deliberately

and makes him town and that [bold]Dry-fit is being picked on as an easy mislynch[/bold] by the scum in the first shift.

Why you think this?

[PeregrineV]

and

the fact that I'm confirmed town

AND have a solid history with AP means that I'm going to win.

thanks! this is exactly the exact fucking reason i never have ANY motivation to interact with an IC. you just proved why me talking to you was going to be a waste, like it has?

now imma go and drink a pint while this all blows over

Actually, even if he is wrong and you are mislynched, you would think that you would at least get all your ideas out there and bounce them off of the confirmed town, since you know he's town and not bullshitting you.

[PeregrineV]

Damn page topper.

Regards #1522

Anyway. What about Day 1 other than the LD Hail Mary was "productive"? Don't pretend that anyone but LD had to do with the Zor scumflip. What actually happened Day 1? BnB flooded the thread with a million posts. Serene got into a HUGE argument several times, culminating with a fake guilty on BnB that they later retracted. In our shift, posting has been null in comparison. It's pretty clear to me the shifts wouldn't change if at all. It's a red herring. Is it coincidence that the player BRO is pushing as scum the most is the only guy to switch shifts? Holy hell you couldn't telegraph a mislynch much better than that. Yea, we're pretty sure Venmar was switched to be mislynched. The player that pointed this out I believe is scum. Hence Reck going "look let's sheep BRO and mislynch him!"

Sven is so fucking town because he is asking the right questions and scumhunting. He's our strongest town read at this point.

What does 'discussion with the accused' have to do with anything? So, I need to talk to a player to believe they are town? I guess you can resend any townread you have on players with the other shift then, cause you haven't talking to any of them. Zor's fakeclaim was believable to me at the time, but that's not why I am reading you as scum. For those playing at home, I'm scumreading Peregrine for his dismissal of the claim. I especially love this gem right here though...so much that it needs to be quoted.

Perhaps a detailed breakdown of your Zoraster townread would help us ignore any and all of your reads since he's already flipped scum.

lol that scumclaim. "In this post, I attack Bone's credibility."

Vote: PeregrineV

Have you responded to 1522 to the best of your ability?

If so, please give me a detailed detailed breakdown of all your reads so we can ignore them.

It's not an attack, it's a fact. (holy shit, my newest sig quote)

[PeregrineV]

That's a scumclaim right there.

Interesting.

Tell us more.

[PeregrineV]

On the lovers thing, they could be both town, but that would really suck since we are effectively losing 3 town for one nightkill. This makes me lean town-scum on the lovers, and I don't think Infinite is scum.

What do you mean losing 3 town?

fourteenpointfive what are you expecting to gt out of continuing to discuss the zoraster situation in this way?

Bro leaves after 2 or 3 days or something. If lovers are town/town, scum effectively get rid of three town by waiting+killing one player. Bro+lovers=3.

[PeregrineV]

i thought shifts were randomized with each episode, i just learned mafia can determine shifts

i don't know?

You know yourself better than we do.

If your town and scum moved you, it could only be for some reason. Even no reason is a reason.

So, why would scum want you to die?

[PeregrineV]

Null:

Reck

Jordan

Iamausername
Zdenek
Goat

Null-Scum:

14.5
Dry-Fit

BS

Venmar
hiplop

I'm insulted that you would not only put Jordan ahead of me, but you would put me in the same category as Hiplop.

You actually have 40-something posts and I entirely forgot you were in the game. This is not a good thing.

[PeregrineV]

* I have now lost all interest in anything revolving the cop claim and the flipped cop. The arguments are just getting too retarded. I just want to lynch Zora and be done with it, but I'm not ready to end the day yet.

I went through your posts and I can't find where you have actual interest in Logical or Zoaraster, either before or after the cop claim. What kind of interest did you lose?

[PeregrineV]

Zoraster - Confscum...
BnB- Almost Certainly Scum
Jordan - Almost Certainly Scum
Reck - Probable Scum


Aronis - Probable Town
ika - Town
Broseidon - Conftown
Logical Duality - The towniest town that ever towned

Not a fan of these reads (well, mainly the townreads)

. And if you think Jordan and BnB are scum, what's your read on Agar?

From this I'm getting that you think Aronis and ika are scummy?

[PeregrineV]

i thought shifts were randomized with each episode, i just learned mafia can determine shifts

i don't know?

You know yourself better than we do.

If your town and scum moved you, it could only be for some reason. Even no reason is a reason.

So, why would scum want you to die?

LOL "WHY WOULD SCUM WANT A MISLYNCH?" IS THIS GUY SERIOUS RIGHT NOW? VOTE THIS WITH FIRE PLEASE.

Your seriously quoting me asking a townread of yours questions and using it as an argument that I'm scum?

[PeregrineV]

Booyah! Day shift!

[PeregrineV]

@Brian- Curious as to why you got so upset with whatever I said. I'll go look back at that. Since I don't think I insulted anyone, then I wonder at the source of your anger.

[PeregrineV]

@PeregrineV
What do you two think of BirdandBeast?

Can't prove it all the way yet, but not feeling like they are scum.

[PeregrineV]

Why is BirdBeast scum?

[PeregrineV]

This is kind of ridiculous.

Aronis
BROseidon
Dry-fit
FourteenPointFive
hiplop
iamausername
PeregrineV
The Goat
xRECKONERx
Venmar

33% of the players haven't posted this shift.

Not lynching Venmar. We can kick him and make him care and do some work.
BRO- Considering your limited time, I wish you could do more.

14.5- Didn't realize at first the heads behind the demical. Now some of thier posts make a little more sense.

hiplop- Maybe one of the reasons you get mislynched so much is you don't appear to be playing to a town wincon. And if'n you ain't town, youse scum. Instead of woe is me, show us how you scumhunt by actually doing it.

iamusername- replaced yet?

The Goat-Townslip nonexistent. Content nonexistent.

Vote: The Goat

Reck-

Spoiler: Read if town.

waiting for death isn't as fun as earning it. Put some shit in here and make scum kill you.

Spoiler: Read if scum.

Why you kill AGar?

Venmar- I'll look over your posts, but BirdBeast lynch is not for the best right now. What else you got?

[PeregrineV]

if bird people are scum then holy shit

Bird people might be scum, but you're town as shit now that Xeno is over.

What are you thinking about this cop thing?

Also, how little would you miss Agar?

Doing Brian iso. Want more backstory on this post.

[PeregrineV]

Post 462 is Titus's confirming her guilty result on Zoraster. It is signed ~Titus. This is when she begins her series of 2nd cop crumb in preparation for her full claim.

Next ~Titus Post is post 467. It ends with the words "last will".

Next ~Titus Post is post 471. The letters that start the sentences are A and S.

Next ~Titus Post is post 482. The letters that start the sentences are D and B. (ignoring the numerous I's)

Next ~Titus Post is post 810. This is her Cop claim, presumably where the crumb ends.

Putting everything together, it spells out: "Last will as DouBle Cop"; Titus was aware that there might be another cop running out there.

The role PM also implied that our results may be reversed. My guess is that if we were Sane, Titus was Insane, and vice-versa.

To verify our sanity and hers, we investigated Zoraster, Titus's target, and BirdAndBeast, who's now very likely to be scum due to their cop fakecrumb, and got "different." This is fanastic because even with unconfirmed sanities:

If Titus's sanity is Insane and we're Sane, this means Zora is town and BnB is scum.

If Titus's sanity is Sane and we're Insane, this means Zora is scum and BnB is scum.

I do not know whether Zora is scum or town; he could fall either way.

Either way, we are "guaranteed" that BnB is scum; may buddha have mercy on their souls.

I'm just trying to figure this out for a moment.

1) This post is oddly reminiscent of another post I've seen from FG. Why should I believe this is more likely to come from a town you?
2) Does Titus have a history with extravagant crumbing?
3)

I agree with Zephyr that if you were really worried about sanities, you had a completely viable option of using Bro as a base-read.

Nevermind. I have no idea how sanities and parity cops work.
4) What happens if BnB flips town? Do we lynch you?
5) Is there a way for us to verify the alignments without flipping most, if not all, of the parties involved? Like, why should I trust you?

UNVOTE: Serene

@Brian- This was another thing. (You are not the only one guilty of it, but since your under the microscope...)
To me, Serene's claim was a still-steaming pile of horseshit.
Randomly pulling letters together to create a "message".
Using this message with the roleclaim to bolster a ridiculous scenario with illogical targets and an even worse conclusion, and I feel you try to give it legitimacy by questioning it as if it were real.

So, since you questioned it as if it were real, did you go to post 467 and verify it ended in "last will"?
Ditto with the next 4?

3) could have been semi-redeeming, but you negate it with the last sentence. That was the extent of your questioning the "targets" of Serene's "investigation". And the whole thing is followed by an Unovte.

So, would like to hear more about how/why you felt this claim was believable.

[PeregrineV]

You actually have 40-something posts and I entirely forgot you were in the game. This is not a good thing.

You do not get to complain about my lack of presence when:
1) You're tunneling.

Really? On who?

2) I'm in the top half of the players in terms of post count when I'm typically a player who's in the bottom 10%.

I'm speaking to your quality not your quantity.

3) Four players in my shift average 3X as many posts as I do and account for half the posts in this game (thus drowning me out).

Maybe. But I skip their bullshit posts anyway.

4) Your shift is barely alive and will probably lead to a town loss.

Interesting take. Suffice to say I disagree, and I will continue to say that aside from being spiteful, there is no point to making a statement like this.

Like, I legitimately hate the players in your shift and you guys need to get your shit together. And you complaining about my 'lack of presence' just pisses me off.

Do you know any of us to actually hate us? And you get pissed off over "lack of presence"? You probably need to develop some tougher internet hide. Especially playing forum mafia, where one team is referred to as scum.

I went through your posts and I can't find where you have actual interest in Logical or Zoaraster, either before or after the cop claim. What kind of interest did you lose?

Learn to read because I:
1) Expressed confusion over why people were calling LD a cop.

She hard-crumbed then claimed the role. Which posts of your express thier confusion (pre and post claim)?

2) Expressed confusion over why people were calling LD/Zora lovers.

What did you conclude? WHY were people calling LD/Zora lovers?

3) Pushed Serene for what turned out to be them fakeclaiming parity cop.

How did that work out?

From this I'm getting that you think Aronis and ika are scummy?

No, I didn't understand why they were reading those two as town (and only those two as town).

Can I have your full reads and reasons? You can break it down by shift.

[PeregrineV]

What the hell just happened to Venmar? Is he dead?

Guessing he is (or whatever the equivalent is) and the mods are just writing flavor before presenting the flip.

[PeregrineV]

Or maybe he is only allowed to vote...

[PeregrineV]

I have no clue what's going on right now.

I'm voting Jesters because most of the posting on the last couple pages that I skimmed seems to be mollie, and the posting style here seems different from Reckoning III Invitational, which just finished and I pegged her as town PRETTY easily there.

You should vote the Goat. His posting style is also radically different from NY165, WWE Mafia, and Gears of War, were he was town in all 3.

[PeregrineV]

Its really not helpful at this point to have a completely quiet player

This made me laugh so hard that milk came out of my nose. And I'm not even drinking any.

[PeregrineV]

Powerskimming results:

First and foremost, the content from a few days back was so laden with "my brain is bigger than yours" bullshit that it makes reads difficult. Knock it off girls...you're all pretty.

Second, Serene...your actions were, in my eyes, counterproductive to your wincon. What you did completely muddled the BnB read for most of the town. I still think he's scum (the phone posting bit pinged the hell out of me), but we'll get around to it when we get around to it. Jumping up and down and screaming "lynch him so I can go home!" isn't exactly motivational.

Initial Town Reads:

Sven
Brian Skies
Venmar (that bit where he argues with Broseidon was either the most over-the-top scum play I've ever seen or pure town. I'm going with the latter.)

Leaning Town:

PeregrineV

Scum reads:

BnB
Reckoner

Reck: You actually take time to come in and post, but don't take time to post content...and this is from one of the fluffier posters on this site. I really do not like the way you're flinging your vote around all nimbly-pimbly. All you're doing is sheeping with a very shady-looking soft claim.

I was going to put hiplop on my scum list because of post 1896, but upon reading his ISO, I realized that his reads and reasoning were very similar to mine. So...:shrug:

Sticking with my original read, because he hasn't gotten ANY better upon reading his content.

vote BnB

Will re-read and post more before the end of this shift.

So in the next 6 hours, huh? And this will happen because.................?

[PeregrineV]

Yeah..no time here.

Thanks Bro- go with God.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Serene

Listen, the 10 of us can achieve this lynch right now without the night shift's input. I don't really want to see another one of their worthless posts this game. They are just noise makers.

No this should never be done. We should give our prs a chance to use their abilities.

I don't like this Serene wagon at all. One of the obvious consequence of the AGar kill was that it made B&B more likely to get lynched. That's why I stopped suspecting them. I think scum was trying to set B&B and Serene up for consecutive lynches and is probably among those on the Serene wagon.

Vote: Aronis.

Aronis is not on the Serene wagon.

[PeregrineV]

Out of time for today. Will try to get in before shift change.

[PeregrineV]

It is now a Night Shift.

~Jordan’
Bird and Beast
Brian Skies
ika
infinite jesters
MrZepher
Serene2
Svenskt Stal
Zdenek

Episode 2, Shift B.6 (Night), VC 1

Bird and Beast (10) - Venmar, hiplop, Zdenek, FourteenPointFive, The Goat, MrZepher, Sven, BirdAndBeast, BrianSkies, Serene2

Zdenek (3) - BROseidon, Dry-fit, ika
The Goat (2) - PeregrineV, xRECKONERx,
FourteenPointFive (1) - goodmorning

Not Voting (3): Aronis, Infinite Jesters, Jordan

With 19 alive, it is 10 to lynch.

It is now a Night Shift.

~Jordan’
Brian Skies
ika
infinite jesters
MrZepher
Serene2
Svenskt Stal
Zdenek

Episode 3, Shift B.8 (Night), VC 2

Serene2 (7) - Aronis, The Goat, FourteenPointFive, xRECKONERx, Infinite Jesters, ~Jordan', MrZepher
Dry-Fit (1) - goodmorning
Aronis (1) - Dry-fit

Not Voting (9): hiplop, Zdenek, Sven, BrianSkies, Serene2, PeregrineV, BROseidon, ika, Venmar

With 18 alive, it is 10 to lynch.

The Shift will switch in (expired on 2014-05-08 23:00:00).
The Episode will end in (expired on 2014-05-19 23:00:00).

It is now a Night Shift.

~Jordan’
Brian Skies
ika
infinite jesters
MrZepher
Serene2
Svenskt Stal
Zdenek

Episode 3, Shift B.8 (Night), VC 3

Serene2 (9) - Aronis, The Goat, FourteenPointFive, xRECKONERx, Infinite Jesters, ~Jordan', Zdenek, MrZepher, ika
Dry-Fit (1) - goodmorning
Aronis (1) - Dry-fit

Not Voting (7): hiplop, Sven, BrianSkies, Serene2, PeregrineV, BROseidon, Venmar

With 18 alive, it is 10 to lynch.

The Shift will switch in (expired on 2014-05-08 23:00:00).
The Episode will end in (expired on 2014-05-19 23:00:00).

It is now a Night Shift.

~Jordan’
Brian Skies
ika
infinite jesters
MrZepher
Serene2
Svenskt Stal
Zdenek

Episode 3, Shift B.8 (Night), VC 3

Serene2 (10) - Aronis, The Goat, FourteenPointFive, xRECKONERx, Infinite Jesters, ~Jordan', Zdenek, MrZepher, ika, BrianSkies

Dry-Fit (1) - goodmorning
Aronis (1) - Dry-fit

Not Voting (6): hiplop, Sven, Serene2, PeregrineV, BROseidon, Venmar

With 18 alive, it is 10 to lynch.

[PeregrineV]

Scum have fully developed fake claims

I am Jim Harrington, the Armchair Psychologist Whose Wildly Inaccurate Diagnoses of His Acquaintances are Thinly-Veiled Projections of His Own Mental Issues. (Cross-Shift Parity Cop)

I am a X-shot Cross-Shift Parity Cop. This means I can pick one player in each Shift, and learn whether they are of same or different alignments. I cannot pick myself or dead players as targets. I'm not outing what X is, but you guys can probably guess what it is.

[PeregrineV]

Yay, dayshift.

already read through Serene/Zoraster. Other than spending every erg or energy on lynching BirdBeast, I didn't find much. Would like other htoughts on it though.

Haven't read nightshift yet, been IRL busy.

[PeregrineV]

I could definitely see Goatscum, given the above.

VOTE: DA GOAT

Can you be a little more specific? "Given the above" seems vaguely...vague.

[PeregrineV]

i gave out an idea of lovers being 100% lies and nobody but anrios really speced on it in here.

Missed this one. What post was it?

[PeregrineV]

reck and i are good people i promise

i always have something of value to say in the other shift... I'm currently starring in a production right now so ill be busy for 2/3 more days :\

He must be. You're not even interested in a survival vote on him.

Vote: Hiplop

[PeregrineV]

I want to keep both myself & hiplop around until at least the next Episode. There's a great reason, I swear. Well, maybe not a great reason, but a decent one.

OK, found this. Considering the anti-love coming your way today, maybe a little motivational posting would be in order.

[PeregrineV]

@PV

If it's fake they should die quicker then serene.

VOTE: I Jesters

here is where is breifly made a comment on it.

Do you have any reasons to suspect the lovers thing is fake?

And I'm assuming you mean faked by scum, not faked by town, right?

[PeregrineV]

The one thing about hiplop is that he didn't vote me to preserve himself. If he was scum, I think he would've sold me down the river already.

Since you are both effectively *NOT* posting worth shit, then he'd have to outclaim you, so I'm not giving the "not voting reck" thing very much credit.

[PeregrineV]

Our neighbor topic has been very dead though. It's rather sad. That's why I'm not convinced of hiplop's anything-ness, because he's barely contributing. I've tried several times to get his opinion/post about stuff... here's a summary of our topic:

- Saying hello
- Name claiming to each other
- I softclaimed my ability
- I said I forgot BRO was conftown by mods
- hiplop goes 'lol i did too'
- hiplop asks 'what is up with zoraster nonsense'
- I say how much I dislike Serene
- I say I really want BnB to be town
- NO response for DAYS
- I pop back in to say hello and warn him that my claim isn't what I thought it was upon talking to UT about it and ask him to fullclaim with me
- He says that he thinks I'm town and that he always thinks I'm town and that he doesn't know how to play in a neighborhood
- I fullclaim basically an abbreviated version of the above post
- He claims normal neighbor
- He asks if he's making sense in thread
- I have no clue what posts hes talking about and ask him what he means
- I get REALLY frustrated, ten days later, that he hasn't responded yet
- He goes, "When I'm town I look scummy" and excuses not posting in the topic by not knowing what to do in these neighbor QTs
- I make the posts re: Jesters for future reference
- WEEKS go by and he finally goes OH MAN I FORGOT ABOUT OUR LITTLE QT LOL
- I submit my action to put us on separate shifts because (see above)

Based on all this, why are you voting the Goat instead?

[PeregrineV]

I don't think Reck's claim makes him look particularly town or Hiplop look particularly scum to be honest.

Do you think Reck's portrayal of the neighborhood is false?

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Hiplop

If you're scum I reserve the right to virtually ro-sham-bo you post-game.

[PeregrineV]

I don't know how hiplop's apparently confirmed townieness somehow got rolled into my claim but I never claimed he was town, just that I didn't want him dead yet.

I'm Cecily Green, the Boss Who Is Good At Her Job and Well-Liked by Her Employees But Just Can't Seem To Kick That Cocaine Habit. I'm a neighbor, but I am also a 1-shot Shift Manipulator. This means once per game I can set any requirement for the next shift and the mods will try to accommodate it. (AKA -- Venmar & Goat must be on different shifts). I said this confirms me as town because SCUM ALREADY MANIPULATE THE SHIFTS and set them from the start, so having this ability means I'm not scum because it'd be a stupid, redundant ability for scum to have.

I was waiting to use this until I was forced to claim, so I used it: I put myself and hiplop on different shifts. I had the GRAND idea while sitting in our neighbor QT, where I originally posted that quoted response to Infinite Jesters, that if we were both on separate shifts, it would allow both of us to stay engaged via the other person since we could just post for the other person when they had something to say about the other shift. I think this is a good idea because it will allow me to read and have an impact on the other shift which has been a huge deterrent from my contributing this game.

hiplop is just a neighbor, according to him. I'm not AT ALL convinced of his townieness but he could be a useful tool for me to help parse through the other shift.

You started the game as neighbors with hiplop, but you are also a 1shot- shift manipulator, and you used it on your neighbor hiplop to opposite shift him?

[PeregrineV]

Yes. I even remarked on how I found it weird I was a something-something-something Neighbor whereas he was just a Neighbor because symmetry is usually big for UT's design philosophies. /tinfoil

The reason I opposite-shifted him is because it's useless for us to be neighbors if we're on the same shift.

And you did this at the same time you posted your claim?

[PeregrineV]

I feel confident in saying Hiplop is scum based off of Recks claim to be honest.

Except hiplop is on this shift, not different ones Reck?

I mean, I think Reck is town now, but his claim, especially the QT content, makes hiplop look super scummy, and Reck claimed to have separated himself and hiplop to different shifts yet here we are, in the same one?

It doesn't go into effect until the next shift change. I have to submit by end of fifth shift (A5, B5, C5, etc) and it'll be taken into account in the next shift switch.

You submitted during C.2. It's now C.3.

[PeregrineV]

I feel like waiting to see if Recks ability works is tedious, like I said before, since if he's scum he can just move things with the scum ability to "prove it".

@Reck - Why go through the trouble of putting Hiplop on the opposite shift when your QT content claim pretty much confirms he's been useless to you in it? I feel like it won't make too much of a difference? Not to mention Hiplop will be eaten alive in the other shift?

Because then he'd have a definitive reason to be active and checking the neighbor topic and if he didn't live up to the activity requirements I'd feel more at ease about lynching him.

I feel confident in saying Hiplop is scum based off of Recks claim to be honest.

Except hiplop is on this shift, not different ones Reck?

I mean, I think Reck is town now, but his claim, especially the QT content, makes hiplop look super scummy, and Reck claimed to have separated himself and hiplop to different shifts yet here we are, in the same one?

It doesn't go into effect until the next shift change. I have to submit by end of fifth shift (A5, B5, C5, etc) and it'll be taken into account in the next shift switch.

You submitted during C.2. It's now C.3.

Can you literally not read the post you just fucking quoted

You submitted C.2.
Reck: "It doesn't go into effect until the next shift change."
Me: The next shift change will be when C.2

changes

into

shift

C.3.
It's now C.3.
hiplop is still here.
What am I misreading?

[PeregrineV]

Shift switches either after 8 shifts (aka a full "day" or episode) or after a lynch/kill. This is in the first post. It is C shift now, aka you've been doing this for three game days. How do you not get this

Players on shifts switch after 8 shifts?

To me the shift switch is the switch from night to day.

Since I don't shift players, but I am post restricted depending on the shift, switching shifts means when I can post and not post.

[PeregrineV]

[*]Actions resolve immediately, unless otherwise stated.

[*]The Mafia determines all Shifts after the first Shift, which will be determined randomly. They must submit the new Shift Distribution at least 1 Shift prior to the actual Shift Switch (by the end of Shift A.7, for example) or the shift will not change, unless changes must be made to accommodate other Shift rules. Said changes will be made randomly.

[PeregrineV]

You submitted C.2.
Reck: "It doesn't go into effect until the next shift change."
Me: The next shift change will be when C.2

changes

into

shift

C.3.
It's now C.3.
hiplop is still here.
What am I misreading?

Here, an alternate, less obtuse reading!

Me: "Here's my ability. I have to submit my choice by C5 in order for it to go into effect for the next shift change."
PV: "IT'S C3 AND YOU SUBMITTED ON C2 WHY IS HE STILL HERE"
Me: "Because there hasn't been a shift change yet"
PV: "THERE IS IF YOU TAKE A HARD LINE LITERAL READING OF THE TERM SHIFT CHANGE"

PV: Literally, why would I use any other definition for "Shift Change"?

It is currently a Day Shift.

It is now a Night Shift.

It is currently a Day Shift.

It is now a Night Shift.

It is now a Day Shift.

It is now a Night Shift.

It is now a Day Shift.

It is now a Night Shift.

There is a new Shift Distribution.

It is now a Day Shift.

It is now a Night Shift.

It is now a Day Shift.

[quote="In post 1754, The Critic

It is now a Night Shift.

[/quote]

It is now a Day Shift.

It is now a Day Shift.

It is now a Night Shift.

It is now a Day Shift.

It is now a Night Shift.

It is now a Day Shift.

It is now a Night Shift.

It is now a Day Shift.

[PeregrineV]

Well that's for Mafia, but I presume it works the same way for Reck.

Wait, doesn't that mean mafia can switch up shifts.. pretty much every 2nd shift or something?

I don't know. They moved like what, 3 people? I hope some analysis of that sort becomes useful, but not trying for that right now.

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: Peregrine

Soooo fake.

Which part was fake?

[PeregrineV]

and really the content reck posted in the qt I didn't really have an opinion on. He was talking about meta in games I have never read, so I didn't comment on it.I got sick of just being like "yeah that makes sense", which i admit now was sorta silly.

Let's hear the hiplop version of 2485.

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: Peregrine

Soooo fake.

Which part was fake?

You keep acting like you don't understand the shifts.

There is a Day shift.
There is a Night Shift.
It alternates until Episodes switch.

Do you know what the discussion is about?

[PeregrineV]

because of reasons i dont think you can be telling the truth zoraster. basically conf scum?

Gah this is ridiculous. Why isn't zoraster dead?

VOTE: zoraster

11 4/9/2014 17:46:00 hiplop: "What's up with zoraster? Nothing is making any sense"

@hiplop

- What reasons?

[PeregrineV]

i'm neighborizor. As I claimed.

Actually I believe that you two were neighbors for ::reasons:: and it works with what I know.

@Reck-

what reasons make you more likely to beleive the neighborizer claim?

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Hiplop

If you're scum I reserve the right to virtually ro-sham-bo you post-game.

Your testes are safe.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: The Goat.

[PeregrineV]

I'm back.

Will need to look over everything because my brain un-mafia-ed while we were on break.

[PeregrineV]

I'll look things over later, but if we are apathy lynching then would much rather Jordan.

[PeregrineV]

Yeah Pere we want to lynch from this shift actually

Why's that?

[PeregrineV]

Checking in since I think it's my shift.

[PeregrineV]

wtf, did my lover die?

sry

reck

That would be crazy, cause if your lover died, you would be lynched so fast it would be almost instantaneous.

[PeregrineV]

The posts of Zoraster and Serene don't have much to work with. Guess I'll need to look at the posts of the scumkills, but Venmar and Reck?

[PeregrineV]

Also, new thought- let's take the power of scum to adjust our town numbers by lynching the lovers. That way WE control our deathrate instead of a random NK suddenly losing us the game.

Let's hear pros and cons for that.

[PeregrineV]

LOL WHAT

With 22 we assume 5ish (5 in a 20 player game, 6 in a 24 player game) because split shifts is scumsided, going with the lower number.

With 13 left, we are looking at 10:3 probably.

Lynching 2 town lovers= 8:3, still not lylo.
Lynching scum-town lovers= 9:2 even better.
Lynching scum-scum lovers= 10:1 , MEGA BONUS!!! (let's just point out I don't think this one is the case, but am including it for completeness sake)

Otherwise, a mislynch and scumkill means 8:3 tommorrow, and assuming scum has normal wincon, one shot means 6:3 and we lose.

[PeregrineV]

so
you are suggesting that we lynch our town lovers
as opposed to our scum reads
so that the scum don't NK them when the time is right

Are they our "town lovers"?

You are basing this on........?

[PeregrineV]

fantastic logic.

maybee you should make up your mind on us and not leave it to "math"

Looking back, Jesters pushed for Zoraster lynch and Serene lynch pretty much all game.

Looking back, you pushed against a Zoaraster lynch and against a Serene lynch pretty much all game.

You sure you want me using the silly "looks scummy" method?

[PeregrineV]

so
you are suggesting that we lynch our town lovers
as opposed to our scum reads
so that the scum don't NK them when the time is right

Are they our "town lovers"?

You are basing this on........?

their many softclaims

If softclaiming is like crumbing, then you'll have to help me out with examples.
If it's something else, you'll have to help me out with what it is, then give me examples.

Since they've

hard, actual claimed lovers

, not really sure what you mean.

[PeregrineV]

@ika- sorry you are not here. Let's start with my concerns.

[PeregrineV]

Let's start with this.
In your iso, you've only given reasons for Aronis as scum (2822)

Aronis

Dry-fit

hiplop
ika

PeregrineV
xRECKONERx

for anyone wondering heres where its down to.

So where did this list come from?

And if you are town, why are you even on here? Because if this is supposed to be scumhunting, it's easy as shit to take my name off of it.

And let's see it evolve:

Aronis
hiplop
ika

PeregrineV

4 fucking people.....

can we pick here now?

So far, of your original list in 2823, half are town and there are 3 left, on of which is you. Why are you unable to remove yourself from contention as scum?

Get back to me on that.

[PeregrineV]

FOUND IT!

Aronis
hiplop
ika
PeregrineV

4 people, at least one scum

remove me b/ i know im town adn your left with

Aronis
hiplop
PeregrineV

everone: out of these 3 who is scum and why?

@anraois, im leaving you there just so everyone can speculate, i belive your town overall but just want to see what people say.

also: people whiteknighting me, as much as you want to save my myslynch, it makes me parianoid that scums might be doing it for town cred. i'll look back and deice who is possible scum vs town in my whiteknighting later

Is this answer to 2908?

Because, as I pointed out, you've been calling and casing Aronis as scum, and now he's merely a member of a list that your asking people to choose from.
Seems out of sync with your previous read on Aronis.

While you ponder that, I'm going to move on to my next question.

[PeregrineV]

ok going to stae this now for ij:

if you want to lynch me go right ahead, the only thing i want is that either you are the hammer voter or i am the hammer voter b/c if you are town i can show you that you 2 cant read me for shit.

I got work so i'll be back later. I have been paying attention to thread and find it amusing that for some fucked up reason that i now become some obvious myslynch bait to everyone. Personally i find it stupid as shit but whatever.

Anyway im going to look into my own idea of who i think is scum

VOTE: Aronis

void of scum hunting.
has done nothing truly helpful.
many post look like they are just grubbing for town points.

also hes been in same shift over here for all game so i rather continue to look into our shift to find the sleeper scum from last teir. I can see 14.5 somewhat but i rather use our small pool

Stuff

@anraois, im leaving you there just so everyone can speculate, i belive your town overall but just want to see what people say.

Would like full details about

Stuff

.

[PeregrineV]

@PV

If it's fake they should die quicker then serene.

VOTE: I Jesters

here is where is breifly made a comment on it.

Do you have any reasons to suspect the lovers thing is fake?

And I'm assuming you mean faked by scum, not faked by town, right?

The only reason i could see it is to allow 2 scums to ride to endgame on a fakeclaim.

Everyone is specing why lovers are not shot, everyone instantly assumes its town/town lover pairing.

I have already question why not just shoot them flat out with BnB (when he was alive) as well as partily brain. I look at it more from number persepctive there.

assuming 5-6 scums, 2 down, i would think optimal play or an ideal play would be remove them from the pile and shrink the pool.

i do have a long-shot idea on town/town doing it if not lovers.

i have to head off to work

i could see more reasons as both but i need more time to post.

if its entirly fake im more inclined to think scum/scum

if the claim is true i think lover/scum.

but thats the joy of paranoia. Something just irks me about it overall

In 2849, I propositioned lynching lovers. Looking back, considering the two quoted posts, why did you have no response to the topic?

Not only that day, but this day either.

[PeregrineV]

Go home.

[PeregrineV]

Go home.

[PeregrineV]

im still paranoid by lover that one of them is scum overall but seeing how they are not options, im just going to go with next best. I ran an iso on zeph and there are some things that irked me.

If both of the lovers is scum it should be effectively game over, since I think there are 5 and it's White Flag.

Think I'll go look over early game posts again.

[PeregrineV]

im still paranoid by lover that one of them is scum overall but seeing how they are not options, im just going to go with next best. I ran an iso on zeph and there are some things that irked me.

If both of the lovers is scum it should be effectively game over, since I think there are 5 and it's White Flag.

Think I'll go look over early game posts again.

basilcly everyone already said it but the odds of scum/scum lover so im just beating a dead horse here but if it does turn out to be scum/scum lvoer i would be amazed.

right now they are not priority, so if you want to rally a lynch on them im all for it. but seeing how ij has finally goten some sync up with nacho as well so im expecting more out of them. as for stal, i already have plans to press on him.

for stal:

SNIPPED

i should just troll the rest of this shift with memes........

or at least do an entire shift full of memes for hilarity

If scum/scum, they could be NOT lovers.

Perhaps a "lovers" flavor claim would be for the best.

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: zepher

Perhaps a "lovers" flavor claim would be for the best.

[PeregrineV]

It is now a Night Shift.

~Jordan’
Aronis
Hiplop
ika
MrZepher
PeregrineV
Svenskt Stål

Episode 5, Shift D.8 (Night), VC 1

FourteenPointFive (3) - Zdenek, MrZepher, ika
ika (2) - The Goat, ~Jordan’
MrZepher (3) - FourteenPointFive, Svenskt Stål, Brian Skies
Aronis (1) - infinite jesters
PeregrineV (1) - Aronis

Not Voting (2): Hiplop, PeregrineV

With 12 alive, it is 7 to lynch.

The Shift will switch in (expired on 2014-06-25 22:00:00).
The Episode will end in (expired on 2014-06-25 22:00:00).

vote mrzephr

fine. whatever.

VOTE: Mr. Zepher

The 14.5 wagon sucks. Zepher hasn't done much other then tunnel 14.5 and god only knows why.

random idea: both me and 14.5 are myslynch

VOTE: mrzpeher

not 100% sold on 14.5 but food for thoughts. i feel like both of our trains are scum dictated and that they are just trying to cruise it out.

also if 3 scum exist my guess is thats its

zeph/hiplop/goat

im still paranoid by lover that one of them is scum overall but seeing how they are not options, im just going to go with next best. I ran an iso on zeph and there are some things that irked me.

i can bring up the post later if im not going to be lazy, but if anyone looks though it, they should see something of intrest.

i think jordan would find it intresting as well seeing how early game played out with them..........

p-edit: thats why im considering that me and 14.5 are both towns atm and scums are trying to run 2 wheel myslnches

VOTE: Ika

VOTE: zepher

VOTE: zepher

VOTE: Svenskt

Two votes. No explanation or anything.

1]FourteenPointFive (2) - Zdenek, MrZepher
ika (1) - The Goat,
MrZepher (5) - FourteenPointFive,

Svenskt Stål

, Brian Skies, ~Jordan’, ika, Svenskt Stål
Aronis (1) - infinite jesters
Svenskt Stål (1) - Aronis

Not Voting (2): Hiplop, PeregrineV

Currently....

[PeregrineV]

Go home.

[PeregrineV]

Go home.

[PeregrineV]

Go home.

[PeregrineV]

oh btw, PV, why were you posting out of shift? its obvoius you were doing it intentionaly

Not really. I glanced at a mod post and saw my name and a deadline, and figured I had until like Monday night to get something out there, until 14.5 pointed out it was not my shift. I double-checked, and stopped posting, and let Critic know.

[PeregrineV]

why is peregrinev still advocating utility lynches on D friggin 6

Lack of scumhunting or cases on your part.

But that is unfair. I will check your iso and see, you've probably had scum nailed down since your first post and everyone is just too dumb to listen to you.

[PeregrineV]

Why do we think PV is scum?

Classic reasons.

[PeregrineV]

man its boring on this side.

What are you looking for exactly?

[PeregrineV]

im looking for [retracted]

but seriosu thing:

PV who are your scum reads and why?

Everyone.

Mostly for half-assed wagons that don't go anywhere based on "why not?" cases that are so sheepable by scum.

It's frustrating because if you take out the name of the poster, almost all the posts look the same.

Go look at Zephyr- what stands out to you about his ISO?

Same for the Goat-

Go look at hiplop- what do you see there?

Then look at Aronis- what do you notice?

Start there and let me know what you think.

[PeregrineV]

you tell me. ive already been wagoned and shit apoun. so like hell im going to do more, you do some work for a change and tell me what sticks out. before you wanted to have lovers lynched for what? b/c i suggested it?

Because if you are scum,

If they are town lovers, you kill two town with one stone.

If one is scum, you earn towncredit when one flips scum.

You suggested this episode 4 (2440).

Since then, goodmorning, Reck, & Dryfit have all flipped town.

If you were scum bussing the lovers, you would be less likely to want to bus them after 3 townflips since you are now closer to winning. I asked about it in 2989, but never received a response.

One of the reasons I look so hard at you is you post, but you took the Serene lyncher claim seriously, and were also joining in the questioning of Logical Dualities cop sanity. Both of those were such obvious red herrings, that you as scum could appear to dedicate time to it and thus avoid actual scumhunting or cast doubt on the cop claim.

[PeregrineV]

you apparently want jordan lynched for "utlity"?

Not sure what you mean here. Post#?

[PeregrineV]

here i will shrink it for you so you can have something:

{Aronis, hiplop, PeregrineV} at least one scum in there
and
FourteenPointFive, infinite jesters, The Goat, Zdenek/sleepykrew} at least one scum in here

this is based of the shift distibutions. these are the smallest existing piles atm so pick and decide whos are the scums from both piles

Very convenient.

Let's see if you are sincere.

Vote: Aronis

because scum-hiplop does not post this:

LD and me. We were neighbors and had a Private Topic.

i'm neighborizor. As I claimed.

because of reasons i dont think you can be telling the truth zoraster. basically conf scum?

VOTE: zoraster

That leaves Aronis this shift.

[PeregrineV]

here i will shrink it for you so you can have something:

{Aronis, hiplop, PeregrineV} at least one scum in there
and
FourteenPointFive, infinite jesters, The Goat, Zdenek/sleepykrew} at least one scum in here

this is based of the shift distibutions. these are the smallest existing piles atm so pick and decide whos are the scums from both piles

Very convenient.

Let's see if you are sincere.

Vote: Aronis

because scum-hiplop does not post this:

LD and me. We were neighbors and had a Private Topic.

i'm neighborizor. As I claimed.

because of reasons i dont think you can be telling the truth zoraster. basically conf scum?

VOTE: zoraster

That leaves Aronis this shift.

Not this shift, but in the group you mentioned.

And you're already voting him , so NM.

Anyways, if your town and get wagoned and shit upon, you wipe off the shit and keep going.

[PeregrineV]

It is now a Night Shift.

~Jordan’
Aronis
Hiplop
ika
MrZepher
PeregrineV
Svenskt Stål

Episode 5, Shift D.6 (Night), VC 1

FourteenPointFive (4) - Zdenek, Svenskt Stål, MrZepher, ~Jordan’
ika (2) - Brian Skies, The Goat
Aronis (2) - ika, infinite jesters
MrZepher (1) - FourteenPointFive

Not Voting (3): Hiplop, PeregrineV, Aronis

With 12 alive, it is 7 to lynch.

Searching for a replacement for Zdenek, as he did not post for two consecutive shifts.

ika is V/LA until 6/20.

The Shift will switch in (expired on 2014-06-21 22:00:00).
The Episode will end in (expired on 2014-06-25 22:00:00).

I like

hiplop

and

zdeneks

starts today. I am coming arround on

14.5

, and I would say that he is a good lynch today.

I stand by my judgement from yesterday,

Ika

is a misslynch.


VOTE: 14.5

VOTE: mrzepher

It is now a Night Shift.

~Jordan’
Aronis
Hiplop
ika
MrZepher
PeregrineV
Svenskt Stål

Episode 5, Shift D.6 (Night), VC 2

FourteenPointFive (3) - Zdenek, MrZepher, ika
ika (3) - Brian Skies, The Goat, ~Jordan’
MrZepher (2) - FourteenPointFive, Svenskt Stål
Aronis (1) - infinite jesters

Not Voting (3): Hiplop, PeregrineV, Aronis

With 12 alive, it is 7 to lynch.

Zdenek has been replaced by SleepyKrew.

The Shift will switch in (expired on 2014-06-21 22:00:00).
The Episode will end in (expired on 2014-06-25 22:00:00).

Regarding Sven, stuff like voting a player, then joining that player to vote another is suspect. This was one instance, what will I find if I look for more?

[PeregrineV]

why is peregrinev still advocating utility lynches on D friggin 6

this from jordan, PV. im assuming it might of been posted in your places where it now says "go home"

he was sent home early, you were posing out of shift and your reason i find bs it clearly states who is in what shift and who can post

if anoris is scum whos the ohter in the other shift.

p-edit: see what you find when you are given something to look for.

i have an idea but i will save it for nare end of shift, its gonna be set for day shift to do though

No utility lynch.

Lovers because they are still alive.

SleepyKrew for replacing Zdenek and providing nothing.

Aronis because he's scum by POE if your town.

Right now, pretty much feel like lynching almost everyone. It more a matter of degrees, and the fact I would rather win than lose.

[PeregrineV]

All of these wagons seem god awful from my perspective

Why do you think Jordan wants you lynched?

[PeregrineV]

I have never accurately read Peregrine V which really makes me mad. Despite that though, I am REALLY feeling the town coming from him. If hes scum im going to kick myself in the teeth, because part of me thinks it might just be because he thinks im town. ARGH

From what I remember (and take into mind this is pretty old, likely outdated meta) Mr Zepher is much quieter as scum? I have a feeling hes scum, and it pisses me off because I have literally nothing of quality to say other than gut.

Only through one fluke post in the process of PoE. Reck's death makes me think you are scum.
Also, in that other game (Mini theme) you were much more active/effective.

Why the change between that town Hiplop and this "town" hiplop?

[PeregrineV]

Either's Jordan's lazy town which if that's the case lord help you all once I'm dead.

or scum think I'm worth getting rid of which means one of two things
1. I've pegged enough scum in my reads that I've become a threat
2. They think I'm some sort of PR, which, okay.

Or I'm legitimately getting lynched by town and I'm just salty as fuck by it.
The way people have been posting around my lynch very much steers me away from the latter(lattest?).

Would Jordan as lazy, unsure town bother coming in to only vote you a bunch of times when that's all he could do?

1. You think Jordan is scum that is pushing your lynch because of your reads?
Perhaps you could summarize those, and then we could know who is the scum gunning for you.

2. If they think you are a PR, it seems they would just kill you. So far they've only killed one VT.

You don't seem salty about it. Last episode you were one vote (my vote, as a matter of fact) from being lynched, and I don't recall it energizing you a whole bunch. Guess I should go double-check that.

[PeregrineV]

ok

[PeregrineV]

oh wait jordan got silenced there's no way he can be scum

nm

wait who all has been silenced this game?

Why is silence a scum ability?

If it's a scum ability, can they use it on scum to make them appear town?

[PeregrineV]

Look at

aronis

previous games, this seems to be his natural state.

Join the

14.5

wagon.

This is your first and only Aronis opinion all game. It seems to amount to "Aronis always seems naturally scummy."

Why does that make you feel so strongly against his lynch?

[PeregrineV]

It is now a Day Shift.

~Jordan’
Hiplop
ika
MrZepher
PeregrineV
Svenskt Stål

Episode 6, Shift E.4 (Night), VC 1

Aronis (5)- infinite jesters, PeregrineV, The Goat, SleepyKrew, FourteenPointFive
Hiplop (1) - Svenskt Stål
MrZepher (1) - ika
The Goat (1) - Aronis

Not Voting (3) - Hiplop, MrZepher, ~Jordan’

With 11 alive, it is 6 to lynch.

PeregrineV is V/LA until 7/8.

The Shift will switch in (expired on 2014-07-09 22:00:00).
The Episode will end in (expired on 2014-07-17 22:00:00).

@Mod-

should this be a night shift?

[PeregrineV]

what

You never answered 3251.

[PeregrineV]

fuck you too pv

[PeregrineV]

Yeah the mechanic wasn't perfect, but it gave me some ideas for future games that can possibly harness it better

The mechanic was fun, and I loved the flavor, but the half-time nature of the mechanic really hurt. Town's "weapon" is thread play, and it really crippled us.

Maybe a "Green Room" mechanic. A private PT for those "off-shift" to keep discussing the game, but there are no mod prods, and when they go back "on-shift" the PT is removed from their view (it happened, but there is no proof).

My own choices were kind of suck this game. I almost caught Serene, but it would have moved the lynch up a day at the most.

I think lynching from smallest post count up to largest anytime after day3 would have won town the game.

Thanks for the game and cool flavor!!

[PeregrineV]

Unbalanced toward scum? Two commuters and a BP?

And a vig? The game could have potentially ended in a win for town at daybreak day 3. Hell, even the end of day 3 if B&B still got mislynched day 2

There was no way to provide consistent pressure on a player across shifts. Willing to bet the scum QT had no shift restrictions, so your coordination was unaffected.

Making no assumptions about role setup balance- I was focusing on the non-standard mechanic and its effects on the game.

[PeregrineV]

Scum having their own PTs based on shift distribution would have been cool.

Maybe each scumshift gets a QT, and they can't communicate across shifts except to send shift distribution lists. If they send the same list back to the other shift, they agree with it, and it gets implemented <whenever it does>.