Organic Chemistry [GAME OVER]

[ac1983fan]

UNVOTE:
Skimming vote counts. Y'all are 50 pages into D1 and the highest wagon you have right now is L-5? For shame.

Will skim the thread and come back with some thoughts in a bit.

[ac1983fan]

A quick peak at Lying Cat's ISO suggests this is a good wagon so I feel comfortable parking my vote while I try to sift through this.
VOTE: Lying Cat

[ac1983fan]

Post 1356 makes me even more comfortable with my vote on Lying Cat.

[ac1983fan]

Hi all, been prodded.
Got today and tomorrow off so will finish my catch up of the game soon.
Posts should be daily once I'm caught up.

[ac1983fan]

Alright let's do this.
I've skimmed most of the game at this point - it doesn't seem like much of the middle 20 pages or so is really relevant at this point.
I feel that Titus is actually a better scum prospect than Lying Cat. I find myself agreeing with Majiffy's recent thoughts on her, and also found the post restriction stuff early on super fishy.
The only player I have a really strong townread on is wicked. GG looks town from their most recent posts, but very early on had some seemingly scummy behavior, which is throwing me off (especially because they seem to be read across the board as town).

So yeah, with four days left until deadline I am gonna UNVOTE: , VOTE: Titus.
I'll switch back to LyingCat if necessary in a day or two.

[ac1983fan]

Bulbazak's Catchup Reads

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Ac1983fan:

This slot hasn't really done anything for me to get a solid read on them. The only thing that I noticed was Ac saying that nothing happened in the middle section, when that was actually where all the important information is that helped me get solid reads.

Tbh I have barely read the middle section. It's just that no one has really been talking about it recently. And the day is too close to deadline to spend time reading stuff that doesn't seem to be relevant at the moment.

Anyway it looks like there are now 5 votes on Titus so I'm gonna stay on this wagon.
We need a lynch folks.

[ac1983fan]

I will switch to mastin if need be to achieve a lynch. Will check in tomorrow.

[ac1983fan]

I will switch to mastin if need be to achieve a lynch. Will check in tomorrow.

Would you vote Titus if need be? Because Titus is scum ergo needs to be voted.

I am already on the Titus wagon.

but that looks like that needs to change.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: mastin2

[ac1983fan]

I think scum is in:
Titus, Lying Cat, Speedy Saki, Bulbazak, beastcharizard, and MTD (dark horses for scum would be peregrineV or Majiffy (who I can never get a read on))

Titus vs. Saki yesterday looks decidedly Scum v. Scum, and Titus's hammer post sets off so many alarm bells.
Bulbazak has basically not contributed any original thoughts and if GG is town (which I think they likely are) then Bulbazak is almost assuredly scum
Lying Cat's presence has sort of gone away since the pressure was lifted off of them though IIRC that's not entirely for in-game reasons
beastcharizard is mostly a gut thing.
MTD has just been abdicating responsibility for all of his actions and most of his early posts are textbook active lurking

Bulbazak, beastcharizard, and Speedy Saki were all off the wagon yesterday so I think we should lynch one of titus, Lying Cat, or MTD, and I actually feel like the best option right now is VOTE: MTD.

[ac1983fan]

AC, my hammer post set up alarm posts. Really? We asked Mastina to claim 5 fucking times at least. I had a specific time set up for when I would hammer, because I had issues to resolve offline. So I hammered. I didn't even WANT Mastina to be the lynch. Still, she was.

Ugh.. tomorrow we lynch scum k?

This is the part I had a problem with. Totally unnecessary. We needed to lynch and by the time you hammered mastin was the only option. You adding this comment made it look like you were trying so hard to distance yourself from what you knew was a town lynch.

[ac1983fan]

Really, you had a problem with that part AC? Bullshit. That's griping about a lynch I NEVER WANTED. Of course I'm going to throw a snide remark. That's me.

Possible, but FMPOV it looked like distancing. Anyway you could still be town - MTD looks way scummier from over here. Saki is more likely scum than you either - if it is T v. S you're the town. (I suppose it could be T v. T. I do have a hard time reading Metal Sonic.)

[ac1983fan]

Nobody saw the mastin crumbs??? And you guys just play as if you guys never lynched our doc

We didn't lynch a doc.

[ac1983fan]

Vezok stop voting titus and start voting ac130

There is not even a 0 in my username.

[ac1983fan]

No reaction to my fos or attempt to build a wagon on you? No questioning me why? Just going to rebuke with "HAY YOU GOT MY NAME WRONG LOL"?

There's nothing for me to react to.

[ac1983fan]

Anyway since MTD has yet to post and I'm the only vote on him that's not doing me much good. And with Titus seemingly town (regardless of Majiffy's affilation - I don't see that sort of gambit happening) that makes UNVOTE: VOTE: Speedy Saki the logical choice.

[ac1983fan]

That's what four votes on me right now and still no good reason? kay thanks guys.

[ac1983fan]

no

VOTE: gg

unless they come up with something awsum which I sincerely doubt.

toe in the sand.

This is an interesting choice since pretty much everyone has them as obvtown. I did see some things early on which set me off but hm.

ZZZX v. GG looks so town v. town really.

@acfan

- For your statements where it's relevant, can you show which posts, or at least give examples?

I am not sure what this question is asking and can therefore not adequately answer it.

[ac1983fan]

Can we please not with the wagon on me?

[ac1983fan]

Heyyy finally a case! Wow.

tl;dr
1) Replaces a slot with no pro-town contribution, a lot of active lurking and flying under the radar.

This is a fair assessment of BPC's contributions.

2) All votes have been non-confrontational. Offers no active reasoning, no hint of scumhunting. Looks self-conscious by overly reinforcing votes with no justification.

I'm not generally very confrontational as town. I try to figure out who I think is scum, then compare that to the popular opinion, and cast my vote accordingly. I always get accused of not scumhunting so that's whatever. But I don't understand how my votes have no justification - I just don't see the point of repeating things others have already said. If someone else has made the case for lynching someone more elegantly than I, then it's simple enough to just vote for them.

3) Poor reactions to being wagoned today.

This one I don't get. There's only once or twice I can think of where as town I really got pissed about being wagoned on - when I hydra'd as Team Rocket with Elyse. This was because literally every point brought against us was completely illogical. Here, no one presented any reason to vote for me - so no point in trying to defend myself. And while I'm not sure where it is in my past games, I know i have posted about my general philosophy about being voted or suspected as town - I am town, and I know I am town, so I don't really care if people vote for me because of that.

[ac1983fan]

Oh, also

2)

UNVOTE:
Skimming vote counts. Y'all are 50 pages into D1 and the highest wagon you have right now is L-5? For shame.

Will skim the thread and come back with some thoughts in a bit.

What kind of entrance is this?

The kind of entrance one makes when they replace into a game and want to make sure they don't have a vote placed somewhere they don't want it to be.

[ac1983fan]

I was referring to this.

I think scum is in:
Titus, Lying Cat, Speedy Saki, Bulbazak, beastcharizard, and MTD (dark horses for scum would be peregrineV or Majiffy (who I can never get a read on))

Titus vs. Saki yesterday looks decidedly Scum v. Scum, and Titus's hammer post sets off so many alarm bells.
Bulbazak has basically not contributed any original thoughts and if GG is town (which I think they likely are) then Bulbazak is almost assuredly scum
Lying Cat's presence has sort of gone away since the pressure was lifted off of them though IIRC that's not entirely for in-game reasons
beastcharizard is mostly a gut thing.
MTD has just been abdicating responsibility for all of his actions and most of his early posts are textbook active lurking

Bulbazak, beastcharizard, and Speedy Saki were all off the wagon yesterday so I think we should lynch one of titus, Lying Cat, or MTD, and I actually feel like the best option right now is VOTE: MTD.

Titus - Saki scum-on-scum
Bulba echoing others (it seems like you are saying he is basically copying others. If this is the case, would like to see where you see that. if you just are generally saying Bulba is not presenting original information in a slam type way, then nm).
Lying Cat- I agree, nothing needed here.
MTD- Posts where he is "abdicating responsibility".

Sure.
Titus/Saki - don't really think this is s v. s anymore because of Majiffy's claim of evidence that Titus is not scum, but their interactions on page 73 are what gave me the strongest sense that was the case.
Bulba - his big read post. It looked like Bulba was trying to give the appearance of having put in a lot of effort into making his reads. However, basically all his reads were restatements of the general popular opinion at the time.
MTD - 894, 1731, 1890.

[ac1983fan]

Lukewarm, non-controversial reads, non-presence, and no active involvement.

Yes, very dangerous scum play.

I resent the "no active involvement" remark.

[ac1983fan]

gonna go ahead and claim now.
I am Sodium Ethoxide, the backup inventor.
So can people get votes off me and onto Saki and/or MTD? Thanks.

[ac1983fan]

Inventions are not given during night phases. I have distributed my invention for tonight's night phase already.

I inherited the powers of the first dead inventor - mastin2 in this case. So I give people one shot doctoring abilities.

[ac1983fan]

Since the invention I have given out will not be used until the end of N2 I think it is for the best that I not reveal who I gave it to.

[ac1983fan]

Seriously can we please lynch Saki????
I could go for Bulbazak or MTD too but Saki is much preferred.

[ac1983fan]

go ISO Bipolarchemist (i quite liked the guy)... he didnt crumb the role at all! why would anyone in the right mind buy this acdude's claim????

People are afraid of killing him cause he is uncced and I really think the back-up is town.

did he crumb the role prior to his claim?

scum have fake claims so i don't think "uncced" ever means anything in a theme game.

this was unintentional

i am sorry antihero

There is only one backup inventor in the setup per page one.
Seriously dude have you even READ anything about this game? First you call mastin2 a doc, now this.

ac1983fan

, why did you say that Bulbazak is scum if GG is town?

Don't 100% remember but I think it had to do with GG's interactions with Bulba after Bulba's read post, and the whole "I think you're town so tough" bit.

[ac1983fan]

Hmmm.
At least one of Bulbazak, MTD, and Saki would need to be town I think, based off of their interactions right now (Saki v. Bulba, Bulba voting for both of them)
I'm not sure who is most likely to be town of these three though.
I think the right place for my vote right now is VOTE: Bulbazak

[ac1983fan]

But srsly, GG is suddenly finding hell of a lot of things about me scummy, considering that he recently said he mainly wanted to lynch me because he "owed mastin a favor".

"Suddenly"
GG has been scumreading you for quite a while dude.

[ac1983fan]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Speedy Saki

[ac1983fan]

*sigh*

I don't understand this reaction.

[ac1983fan]

Lost a more wordy post answer, but polarized, equal wagons provide tighter scrutiny for voters and non-voters (Why did you vote A over B? Why are you not voting A or B?), especially after the flip.

Fair enough. I'm down with an MTD or Saki lynch, I just figured it would be nice to have a lynch ASAP since we already had one claim today.
VOTE: MTD

[ac1983fan]

Why in the frickety frack would we want to lynch Titus right now?!?!

[ac1983fan]

Four. There should have been four.

acFan said he couldn't use his last night because of the timing; mastin was lynched so didn't get to use hers (presumably). I got a Track shot. Vezok got a Jail shot. There is one left unaccounted for by my numbers.

I thought that inventors gave their abilities out during the day, so that should mean that Mastin got her ability to someone, right?

This is correct. mastin2 gave a power to someone. No idea who though - that's not something I would have access to.

[ac1983fan]

Or rather I would assume they had

[ac1983fan]

We should still lynch Saki tomorrow tho.

[ac1983fan]

VOTE: Speedy Saki

[ac1983fan]

I need to make a list of all the different variations on my username that people type.

Anyway, more votes for Saki please? I am not even sure why there is debate over this.

[ac1983fan]

L/A until next Wednesday July 16

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one thing I am noticing - my usual strategy is to lynch from the pool of players who are on both miss lynches. But most of those
people are town reads for me?
I dunno. UNVOTE:

[ac1983fan]

LyingCat was basically a non-presence on Day 2. Day 3 comes around and as soon as there is a wagon on them again, bam, mega active.
This feels textbook scum behavior...?

Beastcharizard has just slipped under the radar for this whole game with a few people scumreading him but nobody able to get anything going on him, which is making me super uncomfortable at this point.
VOTE: beastcharizard.

Good place to park this now.

[ac1983fan]

LyingCat was basically a non-presence on Day 2. Day 3 comes around and as soon as there is a wagon on them again, bam, mega active.
This feels textbook scum behavior...?

Then why not vote them?

Already a wagon on them that's gaining steam; I'll shift onto it if it loses steam. But I think beastcharizard is a better person to vote for right now.

[ac1983fan]

Sorry - was reading thread but I guess I forgot to post?

Glad the Marquis wagon has fizzled. That one kind of sucked.
Definitely don't understand GG's most recent claims about scum reads.
VOTE: Lying Cat

Also, I will have

L/A from Saturday 7/19 through Tuesday 7/22

[ac1983fan]

Hm. I dunno. I'm not sold on Lying Cat as town. And I'm really starting to question my townread on GG...The way Saki was voted for here looks terribly opportunistic.

Marquis wagon is terribad.

VOTE: beastcharizard
this is a longshot but again there is a lot of soft support for his lynch and his interactions with Marquis point to at least one of them being scum - probably him.

[ac1983fan]

Actually the Beast Wagon is terrabad. I am town.

I think one of Marquis/Metal is scum. You all think one of me and Marquis is scum.

Notice how Marquis is in a lot of these "one of two" scum scenarios.

Must be the Bystandard Effect.

Wow wow wow deflecting much?

You being town and Marquis being scum is the least likely possible scenario here. Marquis and you both being scum? I could definitely see that. but for the moment, everything suggests town!Marquis and scum!you.

[ac1983fan]

Actually the Beast Wagon is terrabad. I am town.

I think one of Marquis/Metal is scum. You all think one of me and Marquis is scum.

Notice how Marquis is in a lot of these "one of two" scum scenarios.

Must be the Bystandard Effect.

Wow wow wow deflecting much?

You being town and Marquis being scum is the least likely possible scenario here. Marquis and you both being scum? I could definitely see that. but for the moment, everything suggests town!Marquis and scum!you.

in what way?

cos I am not seeing it

also I keep forgetting about you. why is that?

I don't think beastcharizard has posted without being mentioned in this game once & Marquis' posts just scream town motivation - not 100% sure i can put my finger on why.

I replaced in around 50 pages in on Day 1, was semi-active D2, and then have been pretty busy during D3. Also, my posts tend to be short and to the point since I don't see the point in repeating the thoughts of others.

[ac1983fan]

that ac thing is doing nothing for me. I can't tell if he is newbtown or newbscum he confuses me

Pls look at my registration date thanks

[ac1983fan]

I am ready to go with a beast lynch as I explained a while ago.

Then...Why aren't you voting for him?????????

[ac1983fan]

that ac thing is doing nothing for me. I can't tell if he is newbtown or newbscum he confuses me

Pls look at my registration date thanks

okay I was pwned in this post

why aren't you more assertive? why are you not trying to coalesce?

plz explain this to me

No problem. To be fair this is my first game in over a year, and I have played pretty sporadically over the years.

I'm not very assertive because I am not that good of a player of mafia. My only truly successful town game where I actually was sort of important (Open 118), I was an investigative PR role. I also experimented with being a bit more aggressive in Doctor Who Mafia, but there I was a four shot anytime vig who was basically cleared day 1 and then died night 2 before I could do anything of true import.

I've definitely struggled at getting a handle on the game, particularly since it is a large and there haven't been as many obvscum players as my past larges (probably due to it being monoscum?). If i get really confident about a read I will probably push the lynch a bit harder.

[ac1983fan]

what do you mean by monoscum?

One scum faction.

[ac1983fan]

I could see lynching Saki but beast is a better choice for today.

[ac1983fan]

There may or may not be other PRs. But thus far the only other PR we've seen have been masons - who were probably intended to be millers for the investigative role.