Graveyard Shift Mafia - ROLL CREDITS

[MrZepher]

skimmed really quick
will read again in detail when i'm home.

[MrZepher]

Idk what AP is like
Mastin overanalyzes little things

I'm not inclined to think BandB is scum at this point in time, but I wouldn't be against lynching them just to remove them from the game if they're going to spam the whole time.
This isn't the time and place for that. Use your hydra QT to organize thoughts pls. I have a hard enough time deciphering what's bullshit and what isn't as it is.

Agar could be scum. Organizing the town is the easy scum play for day 1. Idk is Agar's the one I want to see flip day 1 though.

Right now I'm not sure if I'd rather see Serene2 or InfiiniteJesters flip. I'll be back in a moment with an answer to that.
Not committing to next post being a vote.

p.s.
There's something in the Jordan/Goat interaction that I don't like. <-Note for later, or anybody that wants to try to do my job for me while I decide which of Serene or Jesters I like less.

[MrZepher]

Actually I want to know why Jordan is voting Serene.

Like, the next post by ~Jordan better be explaining that vote.

[MrZepher]

Actually I want to know why Jordan is voting Serene.

Like, the next post by ~Jordan better be explaining that vote.

[MrZepher]

VOTE: ~Jordan

[MrZepher]

Interesting. I'm starting to dislike the agar train to the point of suspicion.

STILL WAITING ON THAT EXPLANATION JORDAN.

[MrZepher]

I'm going to

vote Serene

now so that I feel compelled to explain why before bedtime.

this has been the only game-relevant post so far by Jordan.

Context hasn't been explained, and I don't want to consider voting Serene while this vote is still in play.
The fact that Jordan is ignoring me for no reason I can think of tells me it's a scum vote, or a vote by town who needs to not be in this game.

[MrZepher]

Agar's completely right (in his second post) whether he's scum or not. People need to be active contributors in this game if we want to get anywhere.

The fact that Jordan has done paramount to nothing yet the Agar train is still going tells me that Agar is probably town.

[MrZepher]

I'm not ignoring you, and I've already asserted when I will provide my explanation. Your tantrum will not change my timetable.

Is being intentionally obtuse supposed to detract from my point in some way?

I asked you to give an answer. My response to you not giving it to me was to think you're scum.
There's no reason here for you to not tell me why you're voting Serene.
Most likely you're buying time since you don't actually have a reason.

[MrZepher]

I'm going to leave to play video games and probably sleep. I might appear later or might not.

There's no reason for me to think Venmar is scum other than the vote on Agar and subsequent shitposting.
Jesters reads more scum to me than B&B. B&B seems town to me so far.
Serene is way too gentle with the Agar situation. Easy if they know Agar's town. Won't consider voting here while there are shit votes in play.
Sven is making all the easy points. This doesn't mean scum. But it can.
Agar scum is possible. I don't think there's enough information to tell tbh.
idk what to think of Zdenek
ika is probably town. only one post so it's not like I can tell for sure.
brian is in the game. *shrugs*

vote remains on Jordan!
There's nothing that suggests that my vote is in the wrong place. You should work on that since it's your problem.

k bye

[MrZepher]

bitch please

[MrZepher]

still waiting on jordan.

*taps foot impatiently*

[MrZepher]

You wanna go into more detail about why you think Jordan's town?
Because I don't see it.

Start posting like town or don't. There's no reason to make us wait. Ain't nobody got time fo that.

@jordan
If Agar is so not town why aren't you voting him? Why is your vote still on Serene?

[MrZepher]

Why are we talking about another game?
I understand the whole meta argument, but honestly it's day 1. Pls.
Chill the fuck out.

There's some crazy over analysis happening here.
Everyone should just vote jordan and call it a day (I think B&B's explanation is bullshit btw).

[MrZepher]

I think you're just getting played like a bitch.

I agree venmar is town though.

[MrZepher]

All I want is an explanation for the serene vote
is that really so much to ask for?

I don't need a fucking 12 paragraph break down of the vote.
It doesn't take more than 5 minutes to do so much as quote a post and highlight the scummy part of it.
The fact that it's page 13 and I'm still waiting for basic information tells me that jordan got called out for something he didn't expect to get called out for.

It seems a hell of a lot more compelling to me than the "Agar's organizing town, LYNCH HIM" argument which should have absolutely no basis on its own d1 but somehow has a decent following.

The only actual play jordan has made has been
voting serene
pointing out why he thinks agar might be scum
yet his vote still sits on serene? we never got a reason for the vote in the first place.

Do you see why I haven't moved my vote yet?
Is any of this making sense?

I have no problem with people being fuckos to seem like cheeky town. I understand the psychology behind it.
I don't think it's the case with jordan. He's fluffing to remind people that he's around, but not posting enough content to be noticed by the magnifying glass. I'm not okay with that.

[MrZepher]

because that's not just an excuse.

I said this to BandB
either post town or don't.
stop wasting my time.

If you're not going to play town then claim scum so we can get this over with.

[MrZepher]

Okay since I'm obviously missing something with the AGar wagon would somebody kindly sum it up for me?

[MrZepher]

How did they manage to get to either LD or Zoraster is scum from Zoraster only posting twice?
wut.

I do agree that dry-fit's overall posting seems scummy as fuck.
His vote on me is just casting doubt, and then switches to the very low hanging fruit of Aronis (the dude hasn't posted anything that's unexpected from a newer player. get real.)

Has anyone put any effort into guessing how large the scum faction is? I don't think it says anywhere in the rules.
Also I'm comfortable with my vote where it is.

I have no idea what I'm supposed to think of BandB especially now that they've had the time to discuss optimal play vs whatever players they might be interacting with.

[MrZepher]

Also I don't think people deciding to not read anything from the opposite phase is necessarily indicative of scum.
It was Reck and one other person I believe.

[MrZepher]

Agar might be scum. I think he's going to be more careful about posting now that BandB put so much attention on him a1.
BandB are scum.
Dryfit is scum.

one of Zoraster/Ld is scum
one of Serene/Bro is scum

iamausername is either bad or scum
ika, zed, jesters and sven are all town

I don't really want to let this go but if BandB are scum then this vote is not good.
UNVOTE:
BandB seem to have a lot of ideas about who's what (without any real validating facts) and at first I thought it meant that they were protecting scum jordan but now I'm not so sure.

I'll vote bandb after i go back and read the previous votecount.
there's some other stuff i need to double check.

ALSO, sidenote: I totally didn't see zdenek's asking me questions a1 so i never replied. He never brought it up again after that so i'm assuming he either forgot or he got the answers he was looking for regardless.

[MrZepher]

VOTE: BirdandBeast

also is the Serene2 counterclaim worth paying attention to?
I would figure the optimal thing to do is wait until the slot expires and lynch the other?

[MrZepher]

I never said in any way that I'm sure that Agar is scum. He could be town for all I know.
Dryfit is easy enough to point out as scum. It's not sub-optimal to bus the shitty scum players on your team. point invalid.

Then why claim? Serene obviously think there's some sort of benefit to drawing attention to themselves.
I don't understand what's going on with that, therefore I'm going to stay away from it. lol.

Why would I risk jordan flipping town when you can be scum independently of jordan's flip?
If jordan flips scum or town I still have no idea what your role is. I would like to know what your role is.

[MrZepher]

Because they are bring trolls?? BBois literally mod confirmed town, he's us this game is so difficult.

OK since when do you scum read us and why were you voting Jordan in the first place? Was that j UT St based on us the whole time?

We're town. Why risk us flipping town when you don't know what our role is. Nice back pedaling on your reads.

@mollie: dunno what to say? Yes I agree about you agreeing about titus. Have a cookie.

Am I not allowed to go back and read with more context?
The last time I said anything about my read on you was page 8. There's a lot of content since then for me to form opinions on.
I already gave my piece on why I was voting jordan. Vote was independent of my opinion of you.
That changed. I decided I'd rather see you flip than jordan.

this isn't rocket science. stop trying to invalidate my vote.

ALSO, sidenote: I totally didn't see zdenek's asking me questions a1 so i never replied. He never brought it up again after that so i'm assuming he either forgot or he got the answers he was looking for regardless.

You should answer them.

I already posted why i was voting jordan and the context. you can read my iso for that since i don't want to take the time to repost it.
as for flip criteria, it's just that flip info clarifies player interactions. In jordan's case it would give more insight into the serene vote (cheeky town or bullshit scum play) and whether BandB knew more than he let on (why they insist jordan is town for no reason).

currently BandB gives the most information about player interaction and removes mastin from play.
We have the chance early on to get rid of the big anomalies like BandB. I think it's worth. Moreso than Serene2 (which is where I would have gone if Jordan wasn't a better vote to me).
Mastin gets more convoluted and hard to read as the game goes on and needs to be removed early. I can't imagine that changing just because AP is there, especially if they ARE a scum slot. I've been burned in the past as town and keeping mastin around.

[MrZepher]

What I said

I don't really want to let this go but if BandB are scum then this vote is not good.
UNVOTE:
BandB seem to have a lot of ideas about who's what (without any real validating facts) and at first I thought it meant that they were protecting scum jordan but now I'm not so sure.

I'm pointing out here that your alignment is more independent of jordan's than I originally thought. wtf.
If anything it fits into the context I'm explaining to you. I think you're scum. You post fucking trash all day a1 and then turn around and flip a switch now? You're doing exactly what Agar pointed out was optimal scum play a1, it's no wonder you wanted him gone. the fact that he's posting sub-optimally after getting easy town cred is why I think he's potentially scum as well. the whole bussing thing was probably unnecessary for me to point out.

and 3 minutes is hardly leaving time to check to see if a wagon would gain traction. please. i couldn't remember how many votes were on BandB after the night shift.
the rest of agar's post is garbage.
not being entirely sure isn't leaving wiggle room. it's saying that i don't have enough information in my frame of reference to come to a decision. Notice how I don't vote people I'm not sure about. (that's important)
I have no reason to vote Agar when there was previously Jordan and now BandB who are significantly better places to vote. Especially since I still think the Agar wagon was scum driven.

I see all this questioning of my vote when in my opinion I haven't done or said anything inconsistent. It just looks like you're trying to discredit my points by calling me scum.
If you're asking for clarity then ask for clarity.
knee jerk reactions don't sit well with me.

ugh i have like 5 minutes to get ready for class now. fuck.
i'll be back later tonight.

[MrZepher]

venmar is likely town. i don't read any real negative intention from his posts.
hiplop null

hiplop seems to be trying to poke and prod but this setup makes that more difficult than usual. He said a couple of things that kind of bothered me but they aren't necessarily indicative of scum. i plan on paying more attention to him but I have no plans for direct interaction while we're in opposite shifts; mostly because I can't think of an optimal way to do it.

[MrZepher]

uhhhhh

what just happened
why is bandb off my dick all the sudden?

why is jordan gone? (oh yeah v/la)

why are there only 3 or 4 people posting at almost 8pm?
are there that many east coast people in this game?

[MrZepher]

How did they manage to get to either LD or Zoraster is scum from Zoraster only posting twice?
wut.

one of Zoraster/Ld is scum

LOL

If you paid attention IJ pointed out to me that the whole situation is independent of post content.
albeit not directly but what he said made me go back and read through everything again.

also serene made me very uncomfortable with my BandB vote.
damn.
BandB say something town, quick!

[MrZepher]

Mr. Zepher. I'm grateful that you reminded me that you have questions for me, but answer them please.

MrZeph, what criteria are you using to decide if you want to see someone flip?

biggest scumread + revealing most player interaction. Clears up a lot of post intention for me and helps me figure out who's bussing and who's just taking advantage of dumb town.

The fact that Jordan has done paramount to nothing yet the Agar train is still going tells me that Agar is probably town.

Could you add some words here?

#320
and yes i understand that the Agar train was based on him trying for easy town points but that shit got rolling so fast wtf.

[MrZepher]

i said that weird.

instead of "who's bussing and who's taking advantage of dumb town" it should read "if they were bussing or just taking advantage of dumb town".

[MrZepher]

You've found that useful on page 7 before?

i don't know. lol.
it's not like i keep track.

in hindsight i could have worded it differently for the same meaning i was trying to achieve but it doesn't matter now.
in that instance it would have cleared up why he was refusing to explain his serene vote and why mastin was randomly calling him town.
(or at least narrowed the possibilities by a minimum of half)

Zepher, you'd be best served picking one stance and sticking to it rather than jumping back and forth between whatever seems to get you to slide in the general flow of things at that given time. Like, you're scummy as shit right now. As scummy as Dry-Fit and LD.

wut
I'm pretty sure that's just how I play because I have no frame of reference for what you're talking about.
try wording it differently.

also you think LD is scum why

[MrZepher]

before I forget to mention these things:

IJ never listed me on their grand list of reads.
no love for zephyr :C

BandB said that calling yourself town repeatedly is not a scumtell.
That ceases to be true the second you know that it's provably not a scumtell, especially when you point it out.
It's just creating wifom, and the fact that they know they're doing it is a problem.
i have no idea if serene already pointed that out. I haven't been keeping up since i last posted.

[MrZepher]

before I forget to mention these things:

IJ never listed me on their grand list of reads.
no love for zephyr :C

BandB said that calling yourself town repeatedly is not a scumtell.

That ceases to be true the second you know that it's provably not a scumtell, especially when you point it out

.
It's just creating wifom, and the fact that they know they're doing it is a problem.
i have no idea if serene already pointed that out. I haven't been keeping up since i last posted.

What?

If you know that you can prove it's not a scumtell you've opened up a viable strategy for yourself.
If that were me I'd realize that I can't hurt myself by doing it because I can turn around and shut down any verbalized opposition to it right away, and I would know how to do that before the game even started.
The fact that BB were the ones to point it out make it even more wifomy to me.
Am I making sense or just spouting jibberish? I want this to make sense lol

before I forget to mention these things:

IJ never listed me on their grand list of reads.
no love for zephyr :C

I did I just call you zekrom2

I... wat?

[MrZepher]

I really don't like the Serene vs IJ thing.

there's too much speculation involving meta that's largely inaccessible to me

[MrZepher]

scum {Dry-fit // Zoraster/Ld, Jordan // BandB, Agar}

null {Hiplop, Iamausername // Zdenek, Aronis, IJ/Serene, Svens, PeregrineV // Venmar, 14.5}

town {ika, Goat // Reck, Brian // Bro}

this is contradictory to things i've said previously. it's new.
(organized scummiest, nulliest and towniest in each category respectively separated by // but in no particular order; Aronis is not scummier than PV)
if it's Name/Name that means one of them will be moved as soon I decide on the other.

I need to figure out what is confirmation bias on my part, what is actually useable, and what is just assumption on my part.
I will not touch anyone on my town list.

this is an attempt to make it easier for people to understand what I'm thinking.
I had to read through the whole game again to get here. Bare with me.

UNVOTE:
so it's apparent how useless I am right now
i'll break down the scum section next post. give me a bit.

[MrZepher]

I really don't like the Serene vs IJ thing.

there's too much speculation involving meta that's largely inaccessible to me

serene just linked the game we are all referencing

so how is it inaccessible

okay. why the fuck should I have to read a whole other game just to have context for this one?

especially when I generally dislike meta arguments...

[MrZepher]

{Dry-fit // Zoraster/Ld, Jordan // BandB, Agar}

Spoiler: Dry-fit

a.2 #406
The dude puts a shitty vote on me. quotes an early quote from a1, then NEVER READDRESSES IT AGAIN.
If he was reading he would have seen that it was more than just Jordan not reasoning a vote at some point and brought it up again.
He didn't. Shit's bad.

a.2 #410
The whole thing reads as having more information than your standard towny to me. Could be confirmation bias.
I don't see a reason for town to speculate in that way without some way to back it up (see ika a3 #519)

a.2 #426
Context is sound, reasoning is weak. Says his vote on me isn't doing anything without actually having done anything to push it.
He would have been better off just not voting anybody.

Spoiler: Zoraster/LD

More LD votes pl0x.

Broseidon, your lynch train will be impossible not because town won't vote us but scum likely won't.

If we die, it's a one for one trade with Zoraster scum and the rest get outed through associations VERY early.

So yeah, go ahead and vote us. Just conferring with my other head before we place a last will.

~Titus (obviously this level of arrogance only comes from Titus)

This is where I got the lovers vibe.
It's been discussed but I can understand why people would think that's what this is.

It's already been brought up. I haven't decided for myself which I think is more likely to be scum.

Spoiler: Jordan

Zephyr: a.1 #320
original vote context, which I don't disagree with.

Megapost that basically overwords what could have been said with "serene's defending a shitty wagon"
good god.

a.1 #338
I agree with Agar, but at that point you either accepted that the Agar wagon was bad or were on the wagon.
I don't know if anybody ACTUALLY thinks Agar is town, but the fact that the wagon built up so fast makes me really concerned about voting him.
Svens is a fencesit
I disagree on Venmar. I think he's just like that when he feels like it, but honestly it's hard not to jump into that mindset when you have people like BB posting the way they did a1. I'm not passing it off, I'm just saying that you can't ignore the context.

a3 #531
:badpost:

he spent like 3 or 4 posts actually contributing but most of it was the kind of analysis that I would use as scum.
Then he goes back to generally just being a troll.

Spoiler: Agar

The dude tried for easy town cred then stuck with a really shitty form of posting and analytical tactic.
please.

The only problem I have is that it's fucking easy.
if he's town and shitposting then it's easy as fuck to turn around and call him scum
if he's scum and shitposting then it's easy to turn around and call him scum
I really don't feel like you would be this obviously bad unless you were doing it intentionally or just didn't know. Hence my dilemma
is he scum creating noise or town playing really bad?

I don't even know if that makes sense but that's where I am. I feel like voting him is just playing into whatever it is scum want from the town.

Spoiler: BB

I said this earlier but they played into exactly what agar pointed out as being optimal scum play. Because of this I don't think BandB are bussing Agar.
Basically either BB or Agar are scum.

I don't want this slot in endgame. Period. I'm fairly certain I myself won't make it to endgame just because of my playstyle though so this is a moot point.

a.1 #27
a.1 #60
then a bunch of mindless posting
a.1 #109
a.1 #121
a.1 #123
a.1 #141
a.1 #225
a.1 #282
a.1 #285
and i got tired of going through the iso to find these because there are a lot.
they're basically all instances of BB saying people are of a certain alignment without giving any sort of reason or speculation as to why.
It's just all troll bullshit.

a.1 #102
a.1 #113
This didn't make sense to me. You were posting garbage to make people sift through and then asking people why they weren't sifting through it.
That's definitely not okay. Especially when I don't believe either of us made it clear exactly how much understanding we had of the game at that time.

a.1 #317
not good reasoning for the amount of insisting we were getting, followed by Serene calling this out to which we get (at the bottom of post)
a.1 #377
Which is oh hey wifom.

a.1 #382
odd there's more speculation without reason here. who could have guessed.

his entire a.1 iso is just full of trash, wifom and unexplained reads. then in a.3 they turn around and start posting in a way that is optimal for what they want, and if anyone disagree they nitpick (not the correct word choice) until it goes away
It's like... why wait a day to play protown? Why do you need to optimize your play if your town role is so absolute?

And this has become difficult for me because I see a lot of little things that are almost but not entirely correct in their counterarguments (not just with myself) but I don't know how to argue back.
Until I figure out the correct way to voice what exactly it is that I'm seeing and bothering me I need to stay off this wagon.

I got hella lazy halfway through BandB's because I do have other stuff I need to get done tonight and I need to start on that like now or it won't get finished.
I'll be back either way later or whenever the next day shift starts.

mebbe cos you were seemingly asking for it by way of saying it was inaccessible to you?

god you are scum

hey kuribo where is your murder drive now

yeah sure whatever.

[MrZepher]

wouldn't it have been smarter to compare BnB to Bro since we know he's confirmed town?
or wait no, i get it now. I think.

I don't understand where you got rid of the possibility that Zoraster is scum and BB is town.
That's just a lot of information for my mind to break down, sorry.

[MrZepher]

given serene's claim i'm inclined to ignore BB until Zoraster flips.

[MrZepher]

I don't think that ika is that town.

why?

since this day is going to get dragged out we might as well start discussion that isn't setup spec

[MrZepher]

I would like the kurmometer but I'm not on it.

wtf pls

[MrZepher]

PV's vote wasn't surprising. I'm usually more bothered by the people who blatantly call me town for fairly obvious reasons.

BB's basically confirmed town until we have reason to think otherwise.
Serene is an enigma to me.

Do scum lynchers exist? Like, can serene be scum but still be a lyncher to bb or would that not make sense?

[MrZepher]

what's interesting is that BnB pushed hard for the agar lynch

and agar is completely uninterested in lynching BnB.

but they're both going for obviscum dry-fit.

[MrZepher]

I don't know if I need to take Serene's claim(s) seriously enough to assume BnB is town.

The only way I can see Serene being scum (and trying so hard for BB) if there's a rolecop on the scumteam and they figure BnB is important enough to sacrifice Serene. I'm really not buying the lyncher claim.
In most cases I can think of BnB would have to be town, but Serene can be town or scum. Unless I'm blatantly missing something.

The only exception is if Serene's insane parity cop claim was actually true which could make BB scum.
but Serene's now claiming lyncher. Idk what to do about them.

what's interesting is that BnB pushed hard for the agar lynch

and agar is completely uninterested in lynching BnB.

but they're both going for obviscum dry-fit.

You think dry-fit is obvscum but the sudden wagon (regardless of the alignments of the aforementioned players) doesn't excite you?

existential crisis.

I'm waiting for mastin actually.

[MrZepher]

I don't know if I need to take Serene's claim(s) seriously enough to assume BnB is town.

[MrZepher]

Serene could be full of shit but I don't know that.

i said it that, but took the long way around.

[MrZepher]

i have a cloud.
hard to argue with that logic.

VOTE: BirdandBeast

I was waiting to see if Mastin committed to the dry-fit vote, or made up some excuse to change it. Instead BB shitposted when we needed them not to.
Blatantly ignoring the people around you for a point that's not really worth making when there's legitimate discussion to be had is not okay.

Also I had time to mull over what (i believe) Zed was trying to point out to me
which was that my point about BB being pretty conf-town was ill informed.

[MrZepher]

LOL mine and zed's interaction was more than just a no post. please.

[MrZepher]

LOL mine and zed's interaction was more than just a no post. please.

what is this in reference to?

you mean what am i responding to or the series of events I'm referring to?

i never said anything about venmar before Sven brought it up, so I was confused.
I just assumed that Sven meant to say Zdenek since that's who I mentioned in the original post.

the interaction i'm referring to is this one
Zdenek #1267
which actually starts a little further up (1261 I think).

[MrZepher]

we could.... we could lynch him...
no?
alright.

Reck what happened to ignoring all the stuff happening in the other shift?

This was awful

Like, think about this for like 15 seconds.

BnB's town. I'm pretty confident in my read there.

We lynch them, which gives us 1 fewer mislynch to work with. It also removes Serene from the game, which does nothing for town.

A vig shooting BnB to conftown themselves at some point is the closest thing to an "optimal" play (and it's only optimal if you aren't sure BnB's town)

This wasn't.
however, we don't know that there's a vig in this game and I'm not eager to find one if we don't need to.

[MrZepher]

I can't take Venmar/Bro as scum vs town when i actually kind of agree with Venmar; Broseidon isn't the end-all of reads. He's just somebody we can use for PoE.
I actually disagree with a few of his reads.

Ad for PV/14.5 I disagree with BnB. I'm going to reread that interaction though.

I agree on hiplop.

I'm debating currently whether I think BnB is scum given Bro's argument, which makes a lot of sense.

[MrZepher]

PV is definitely town which means

UNVOTE:
VOTE: 14.5

sheep this.

[MrZepher]

I feel like Venmar is town.

[MrZepher]

I explained my reasoning for voting 14.5 but apparently it didn't post. (would have been like a page or two ago).
I basically didn't like what I read as 14.5 blatantly misrepresenting PV's asking completely valid questions.
I read PV as town, and completely understood the questions he was asking Brian.
What I didn't understand was how 14.5 took those questions and made them into scum tactics or whatever.

predit:
wtf was that a vig?
I am confuse

[MrZepher]

idk are you scum?

[MrZepher]

Holy shit Serene might actually be scum.
Zed is town stahp
PV is def town
I might be wrong about 14.5, but i doubt it
I'm currently looking at jesters, sven and venmar. Venmar switching shifts randomly bothers me.

[MrZepher]

on another note I feel like PV is trying to bait me but I don't know why.
it's relatively unfounded
i just wanted to throw that out there.

[MrZepher]

Hmmmmm

[MrZepher]

>.>

[MrZepher]

Serene/BnB is scum/town (respectively) if either of them are scum.

I can see them both being scum, but since AP has been running the bird hydra the majority of the time I find it incredibly unlikely.

[MrZepher]

I'm currently looking at some vote based stuff.

The whole venmar thing is really weirding me out.

I'll be back with something useful hopefully.

[MrZepher]

Sorry I got caught up playing league of legends. There's still stuff that I have to look at but I think I can afford to post some of the stuff I got.
I'll do that in a new post so it's not messy;

UNVOTE:

Oh. Right. My vote's probably still there.

Vote: Dry-fit

.

In particular, I remember this being one of AGar's main pushes.

badpost. i don't question the vote but I question it's significance given the recent flow (if that makes any sense)

Bird and Beast (5) - Venmar, hiplop, Zdenek, FourteenPointFive, The Goat
Zdenek (4) - BROseidon, Dry-fit, ika, Bird and Beast
FourteenPointFive (2) - MrZepher, goodmorning
The Goat (2) - PeregrineV, xRECKONERx

14.5 is town, but while Venmar in particular is likely town and Zdenek could be town, quite frankly, I could see anyone on our wagon as being scum.
Dry-fit and ika are both extremely likely scum on Zdenek.
The Goat wagon seems legit, though not absolutely sure.
Need to check who goodmorning replaced, but I think that wagon is also town-driven, even though I also think it's on town.

Interactions in the last shift lead me to think that 14.5 might be town
which considering that iamausername is the slot goodmorning replaced, i'm very skeptical of of keeping my vote there anyways.

Speaking of which, I want to know what BB's opinions are of goodmorning (previously iamausername), The Goat and Brian Skies.

[MrZepher]

So I was looking at the Agar and LD wagons now that we know they were town, and seeing what I can pull from that.
Obviously there are large gaps of information that I'm missing so I'm going to be looking at filling those gaps in the next whatever amount of time.
(vc's are pulled from The Critic so they don't take into account gameflow at the time of the vc)

From #201 to #808 Agar only had 3 people on his wagon consistently:
Agar (3): BirdAndBeast, InfiniteJesters, Venmar

by post #808 the only person on that wagon was Venmar.

I said before that I felt that there was at least one scum on that wagon and I still feel that way now; I was never comfortable voting Agar because I felt it was heavily scum pushed.
Given recent events I'm inclined to think that Venmar is town. Unless it was some sort of mod power I don't see being Silenced as some sort of town win-con mechanic. The only way I can see Venmar scum is if scumteam decided to use him as a scapegoat or something; switch his shift and then silence him to surround him in The World's Thickest Cloud of Wifom (tm)

Looking at Venmar's wagon(s)

#1473 : BROseidon
#1548 : Bro, Aronis, Svens
#1597 : Bro, Aronis, Svens, Serene2
#1659 : Bro, Aronis, Svens
#1742 : Aronis, Svens

right now it's just Aronis

The only vote that seems to be weird on that wagon is actually Serene's. Again I would need to look at context.
Svens has only voted 3-4 people for any extended period of time, and all of them are kind of weird wagons.
in order: Ven/Ika (for single vc's), Serene2, Zepher, Venmar, Reckoner in that order.
I thought I pulled info for Aronis but I guess not since it's not written down.

Some other side info that I pulled:
The jordan wagon in #459 was: Agar, Zepher, Brian Skies, Serene2

Before LD was shot the two big wagons in #808 (i think i left some info out here, i need to elaborate more on some things anyways so I'll be sure to do that here)
LD (5): Zoraster, BRO, Reck, ika
Serene2 (4): Jordan, IJ, BandB, Brian

The other person I looked at was actually The Goat

#424 BandB: Goat, Zed, 14.5, LD
#616 BandB: Goat, 14.5, Zeph
#1186 his vote on Zoraster is the one that allowed Zoraster to self hammer (if I remember correctly)

Anyway, if it's unclear what all this info is for that's fine since it's generally incomplete anyways, but the end goal is to see if I can't figure out which of the three on Agar's wagon is scum if there was, or if it was somebody who was refusing to join that wagon (read: Serene2)
and potentially begin looking for associative tells based on votes (phrasing, but you get what I mean)

[MrZepher]

I need to get some other stuff done irl so I'll post a follow up a little later barring the chance I get caught up playing league of legends again.

[MrZepher]

then get familiar with it and make up your mind.

also weren't you voting serene?

[MrZepher]

Nothing has lead me to think Aronis has any idea what he's doing so I'm not swayed either way by his vote being there.

[MrZepher]

zekrom is harder to type than zepher

I agree with hiplop and goat potentially being scum
your zed read feels bitter
Serene might be scum no lyncher. i'm working on this.

[MrZepher]

VOTE: Dry-fit
Kill this. Now.

[MrZepher]

I'm gonna fill in some missing gaps from my #1961
again all post number are in reference to VCs done by The Critic (mod)

Aronis:
#425 LD(2): Aronis, Zoraster
#822 Zoraster (3): Zdenek, Aronis, Reck
Currently on venmar

infinite jesters
#201 Agar (3): BandB, IJ, Venmar
#808 Serene2 (4): Jordan, IJ, BandB, Brian Skies
#1115 joins the zoraster wagon
#1815 zepher: IJ
#1839 ika (2): Zdenek, IJ
currently on ika

Zdenek
#330 BandB (2): Zdenek, Serene
#822 Zoraster (3): Zdenek, Aronis, Reck
#1597 14.5 (2): Zdenek, Zepher
#1754 Reckoner (2): Zdenek, Svens
#1839 ika (2): Zdenek, IJ
#1915 BandB (4): Venmar, hiplop, Zdenek, 14.5

Dry-fit
#425: Mrzepher

I don't really know what to make of this Zoraster/LD stuff but I'll look over it during day shift.

I don't think my vote is doing much work on Zephyr so

Unvote. Vote: Aronis.

I'm having a hard time believing 461 is genuine. I don't know if my vote's gonna do much here either but he's my top suspect from night shift.

#486 Aronis: iamausername, Dry-fit
#1465 Agar: Dry-fit ;link to VC RIGHT BEFORE AGAR WAS KILLED Mod #1597, where Agar was fired in post #1659
#1742 Zdenek: Broseidon, Dry-fit - this was a blatant sheep. even he said so. iso him.

Zdenek's wagon has gone like this (I'm only counting recently. I'm not going to list every vote ever on him)
#1742: Bro, Dry-fit
#1815: Bro, Dry-fit, ika, Serene2
#1878: Bro, Dry-fit, ika, BandB

I will not be voting on the Zed wagon.
Kill Dry-fit.

[MrZepher]

is that a vca?

kinda. it was setup for something i was doing concerning IJ, BB and Serene2 but I got sidetracked by Dry-fit.

[MrZepher]

kjalksdjf;asjdflajnd;giag

why you have to logic me
now i have to do more

[MrZepher]

Me BnB, Goat and 14.5 are the only options for a vote if you want to lynch someone. There are only 9 of us. It's 10 to lynch, so the only wagons that can go through are ones that have someone from the other shift already on board.

Oh i didn't realize the shift and episode end at the same time.
well fuck.

what's the compelling argument for BandB scum go

[MrZepher]

Fuck it
I'm like 90%+ sure one person on agar's wagon was scum
venmar is town
i have no reason to think IJ is scum

UNVOTE:
VOTE: BandB

I do this with the stipulation that come tomorrow I won't unvote Dry-fit until he's dead.

[MrZepher]

So I had a dream about this game (yes that happens leave me alone)
and in it I determined that Dry-fit and goodmorning could be scum together

I don't know how I got there
If I can somehow come to that conclusion again then I'll let you know.

Also I think we should kill the lovers.
That's probably not a popular opinion but w/e. I'm putting it out there.

[MrZepher]

not today though.

i don't want them alive during endgame.

[MrZepher]

I'm torn between voting serene now and waiting to see what happens when the rest of the shift shows up.

[MrZepher]

predit:
wtf was that a vig?
I am confuse

Explain this thought please

I don't remember honestly.

I was about to submit a post when that came up on the predit screen.
I think I was just confused by the timing and wondered if that was a nightkill or a vig.

[MrZepher]

Are you told if you were successful or what

[MrZepher]

VOTE: Serene2

So does mafia not have a kill?
I don't understand what's going on with that.

[MrZepher]

hmmmm
I don't like this

UNVOTE:

[MrZepher]

I'm not entirely sure yet.

Something about the way IJ is pushing this when they don't have to
and the way Serene is voicing opinions.

The reads post is what gets me
Why would you say Dry-fit is town if you're inevitably going to flip scum? That just secures his lynch.
The reasoning behind that read is shaky as well.
I can understand the goodmorning read. Something about that slot hasn't sat well with me all game.
That post in general just seemed to come from town as like a last will and not scum trying to shake up the game before they leave

I know how to shake things up before dying as scum
Serene isn't even trying.

[MrZepher]

Is there are point here orrrrrr

[MrZepher]

I voted serene

Serene made a post that I saw coming from town

I unvoted because I was uncomfortable with where things were going

I don't see where you're getting confused.

[MrZepher]

I'm allowed to think a post can look town when you don't.
that's a thing I can do.
that's not indicative of scum.

[MrZepher]

Oh I see.
I misread your #2213, but in my defense it was worded weird.

I'm not entirely sure yet.

Something about the way IJ is pushing this when they don't have to
and the way Serene is voicing opinions.

The reads post is what gets me

Why would you say Dry-fit is town if you're inevitably going to flip scum? That just secures his lynch.
The reasoning behind that read is shaky as well.

I can understand the goodmorning read. Something about that slot hasn't sat well with me all game.
That post in general just seemed to come from town as like a last will and not scum trying to shake up the game before they leave

I know how to shake things up before dying as scum
Serene isn't even trying.

The bolded part is what's weird, correct?

I mean that I can only see Serene even bothering to point out Dry-fit at all is if they were town.
If you were scum knowing you'd be lynched today then you'd point out Dry-fit as scum for the wifom, otherwise you wouldn't say anything at all.
I say it's shaky because I don't really believe in meta arguments.

I tentatively agree with the read on goodmorning.

Then I said the post looks like it's coming from town.
Then I pointed out that if it were me in Serene's position then I'd definitely be doing more to create wifom then what they're doing.

Is it more clear now or is there still a misunderstanding here

[MrZepher]

Your opinions are generally ignorable when you've been completely absent for the better part of the game
and the only time you've ACTUALLY been around is to vote Serene (for relatively fallible reasons when you actually have them)

I'm automatically going to assume the vast majority of your posts are full of shit.

Also of course Serene isn't going to fight their own lynch. They're not stupid. They know the gambit they made.

[MrZepher]

MrZepher

,

Who are your scum reads?

Yes.



jk
Goat, goodmorning, hiplop and dry-fit. Jordan was sitting nullish but weaseled his way back onto my scum list.
excellent play from jordan. commendable.

Reasonably only two of these can actually be scum. There has to be scum on our shift, even if it's only one. I just have no idea who to look at because my biggest doubts lie with the lovers.
Zdenek's recent posts have seemed weird to me because they remind me a lot of PV when PV is actually scum.

"you left the game for a while
therefore i conjecture that you're stupid"

Strawman

I was saying that you haven't been a part of the game enough to have anything worth saying
I highly doubt you can back up any opinions you actually have with actual fact.

[MrZepher]

Pray troll, why's that?

*shrugs*
it just weirds me out because I don't know what to do with that.

Serene has 7 votes
that's L-3 I believe?

VOTE: Serene2
that's L-2 I guess
I was being stupid earlier sorry.

[MrZepher]

just vote yourself already

[MrZepher]

heaven forbid something happens that forces me to shift my attention
like BandB actually flipping town and forcing a lynch onto Serene.

but if you want to go ahead and start attaching meanings without using actual facts then by all means go ahead.

[MrZepher]

I dont have time right now, going to work. But pretty much everything I dont like about

Ika

has been stated, I remember that there were some good exchanges from him aswell but I dont care until he starts careing.

I like

goodmorning

, I dont like

reck

. I´ll have to get back to you on why.

Also, I feel like a Ika vote is wasted at this point since it wont "do anything" until shift change, can we find someone in our shift to vote?

I don't like goodmorning's crying about the lack of posting.
my immediate reaction would be to look at the other shift and try to make progress there.
Venmar is still actively trying.

I don't like this Reck. He's just sitting on his ass and nobody's punishing him for it. His posting this last shift was especially shitty.
Your thoughts on ika are convincing.

Also we removed two scum from the game. That leaves (assuming) 3-4 left, so we need to lynch 2-3 to reach town wincon.
Brian is basicaly conf town correct? Or am I wrong in thinking that.

[MrZepher]

That accelerated a bit fast. I don't know to make of it other than that this shift is pathetic. While I like where they are placed, the votes by ika and Aronis just look so fucking apathetic and disgusting.

unvote

because this shift gives me the willies

also this

[MrZepher]

Serene was pretty adamant that Dry-fit was just easy lynch-bait
I'm not sure if that's more or less indicative of Dry-fit scum.

looking at Serene's KURMOMETER(s) there's likely one scum in
Dry-fit, Reck, ika

I have some thoughts on game setup too:
the basic summary is that I figure there's an even number of scum, and the white flag mechanic exists so the game ends when there can't be at least one scum on each shift.

That leaves either 2 or 4 scum left (likely 4) so there's 1 or 2 left on each shift.
In this scenario the lovers are most likely to be town.

[MrZepher]

so that's 12:4 in terms of town:scum (with 16 alive)
we can afford like 2 mislynches before we HAVE to find scum.

Basically I revoke my earlier opinion of wanting to kill the lovers; at least until we find one more scum.

also going back to Sven's post
ika, Reck and hiplop have all voiced some form of external reasoning for not doing much of anything.
My thought is that if life is so hard that you can't be fucked to read and come up with ideas at all then why not just replace out?
and then there's jordan >.>

[MrZepher]

goodmorning follows more than leads.

venmar is trying to stir things up and goodmorning is kind of just taking his lead.

which if I think about it isn't really that indicative of scum but it's definitely the easier play.

[MrZepher]

gettin real tired of this shit here

I have no feelings about anyone zzzzzz

Then fucking do something

Vote Dry-fit, or just stop fucking complaining.

Because this is more direct

Allllright, let's do this Dry-fit wagon then.

Vote: Dry-fit

And none of the posts on this page

are even useful at all whyyyyyy

than this

I said it before
Venmar is trying to make things happen
goodmorning just seems to follow along once something's started instead of going out of her own way.

venmar reads as legitimately frustrated where goodmorning reads as kind of "wah" to me.
Her #2287 doesn't match what she did the rest of the day

[MrZepher]

"I need to clear up all these null reads but I'm not going to initiate anything myself to do it"

meanwhile Venmar's already decided he's had enough of the day shift and is just going to instigate things until shit happens.
which doesn't surprise me at all.

[MrZepher]

top vote picks for night shift
{~Jordan’, The Goat, 14.5}

day
{Dry-fit, Reck, ika, hiplop)

[MrZepher]

there's guaranteed (statistically) to be at least 2 scum out of those 7.

i generally okay with lynching lurkers until we find scum.

[MrZepher]

should be 9 correct?

also i was thinking about the possibility of Zdenek/Reck connection on the way to class
I wasn't able to think of much tbh

also

V/LA for the next few days for finals

if I post there probably won't be much from me outside of commenting on what's already happening. sorry.

VOTE: Reckoner
I'm putting this here in the event that I never make it back into this thread.
Best lynch for today imo.

[MrZepher]

If it makes you feel better I don't know what to do with all the townreads I've gotten this game. I'm not used to that.

[MrZepher]

Yeah I do that a lot.

I need to catch up. Probably won't happen tonight.

From just the last couple of pages and the VC I'm curious who Jordan and Zdenek are most willing to lynch today.

[MrZepher]

ok i'm back

@-@ I have a lot of shit to read and not enough time in this given moment to read it.
I'll post content within the next 24 hours.

[MrZepher]

Some of this is discussion that's already happened that I'm repeating more for my sake than anything else.

The Goat is almost certainly town imo. Took less than a page (or a page's worth of posting if you want to get into semantics) for that wagon to take off based off of very little.
Oh well venmar's dead BETTER VOTE GOAT. uuhhhhhhhhh...

I figured that Reck looked the worst out of the two with that whole exchange (it seemed really easy for him to take advantage of his setup to make hiplop look bad)
In the end I think it's town/town. Hiplop needs to stop being lazy.

If I'm reading this right Goat seems to be stuck in the position where he knows he's town but hasn't actually put enough time into the game to have many other options than voting on the next biggest wagon and hoping that person is actually scum.

Self votes are generally against win con. stop.

ika has been absent it seems? but i have too so it's not like i'm allowed to find that compelling.
i'm with svens on the goodmorning lynch tbh. Seems to be fading into the background too easily with whatever's happening with the current wagons.

I still have more reading to do. Will be back later.

[MrZepher]

UNVOTE:
forgot to do that.

[MrZepher]

Why is peregrine still voting goat?

[MrZepher]

Wow aronis' ISO looks like shit

[MrZepher]

VOTE: ika

[MrZepher]

If you have another shot feel free to kill me now.

[MrZepher]

I don't think brian is scum. There'd have to be a pretty compelling argument for me to think otherwise.
The vig shooting make sense coming from town moreso than scum (why would scum kill agar? that made no sense.)

I will say that I'm starting to think that the lovers aren't town/town.

Are we okay with me hammering GM or is there more that people want to talk about?

[MrZepher]

meh.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: goodmorning

[MrZepher]

We can hit Ika tomorrow if need be.

This is the exact situation we should have avoided, and why I was originally voting ika.

literally just setting up a lynch tomorrow.

[MrZepher]

i wasn't questioning your line of thought.

i was questioning his.

[MrZepher]

Go home

[MrZepher]

Go home

[MrZepher]

VOTE: 14.5

burn this please.

[MrZepher]

I never understood why Svens went back to thinking reck/hiplop was scummy. I was of the understanding that the whole interaction there was town/town.

PV is town.
Aronis is likely town.
idk what to think about the ika thing at this given point.

14.5 raised a massive red flag at the end of the day yesterday and the "don't be stupid" post didn't help.
the fact that he was swapped (if I'm paying attention I believe he swapped shifts? otherwise this is moot.) and immediately tried to stir up conversation without even investing any thought into the shift swaps really bothers me as well.

[MrZepher]

if there's a vig shot it should probably be either myself, ika or dry-fit.

[MrZepher]

I was going to explain it but I realized that I read too much into Serene's read on Dry-fit
and their posting is largely the same; really opportunistic surface scratching posts.

Basically I've been on the train of thought that it's either Dry-fit or Aronis without actually having a tangible reason to think it's Dry-fit over Aronis.

tl;dr that opinion is probably wrong so I need to go back and adjust it. Especially since it would be really easy to put tons of attention early on Aronis yet there wasn't any really.

[MrZepher]

because softclaims can't be forged by somebody who knows more about the setup than you do...

[MrZepher]

I don't understand why that post is indicative of scum.

it just seems like the same wtf reaction I had when I read the mod post.

[MrZepher]

can we kill 14.5 now? thanks.
also while I agree that the presence of the lovers unsettles me PV's reasoning was pretty awful and I'm going to look back on my read.

I thought we decided the reck/hiplop thing was town/town? Why is hiplop on your list?
the fact that the shitty ika wagon derailed into the shittier goodmorning wagon tells me ika is probably town.

that leaves aronis and pv.

i'd rather lynch 14.5.

[MrZepher]

Blatant opportunism since episode one? This isn't the first time I've voted 14.5. I'm just done giving him the benefit of the doubt.

also that's a really shitty way to phrase that question. there's very few ways i can answer that without it being spun back on me.

[MrZepher]

because up until recently PV hasn't said anything randomly unwarranted.

14.5 was being incredibly pushy on IJ and it seemed like he was stretching a lot of points to make Jesters seem really bad.
His #2913 read as contradictive to me (if you're town then i'm town except you're not town, but i'm still town?)
I personally think the lovers are the only people who have provided consistent pro-town discussion.

If you're going to kill me then vig me otherwise you'll end up wasting a lot of time on a lynch that's going to flip town.
I mean do what you must; it's optimal to not have me around in endgame. I have quite a bit of WIFOM about my person...

[MrZepher]

vote 14.5
then vote aronis

@Aronis
I never said we should ignore PV.
Also stfu. If I wanted to be totally misrepresented here then I'd ask for it. Thanks.

I never said anything about voluntarily dying. My vote is currently placed on somebody other then myself.
I said that if I'm going to be a priority lynch candidate then it's a better idea to vig me.
I've said previously in this game that I shouldn't be left alive for endgame because it's too advantageous for scum. You've had all game to question that line of thinking.

[MrZepher]

did you actually read after I said that or are you just blindly sheeping lol

[MrZepher]

lynch 14.5. let's just do that.

[MrZepher]

I think the least likely possibility is a scum/scum lover pair.
It doesn't seem like my opinion is worth much atm though.


I don't feel like 14.5 has done anything particularly special, yet is calling himself out as the biggest voice in the town?
Alright.
But he spent how long with his attentions on one of the ACTUAL big voices in the game?
Alright.

I just don't feel like the decisions that slot is making are entirely town wincon oriented.

[MrZepher]

it's kind of 50/50 for me if the lovers are town/town or scum/town.
Of the two of them Sven has been more here/there than IJ. Whether that's more town than scum is up in the air.

interesting tidbit:
The goat has completely disappeared.
Zdenek has pretty much disappeared as well.

Also if I recall there has been little to no interaction between goat and 14.5

[MrZepher]

And that's is surprising how?

I've been shifty as fuck all game. That's kind of just how I am.
Why is it just now the reason that you're voting me?
Do you see how bullshit that reasoning is at this point?

The shittiest things I've done were 1. pushing the goodmorning wagon 2. Helping lynch BandB
The fact of the matter is that nobody is bringing these things in order to justify their vote.

Jordan's vote is hypocritical to the highest degree.
Sven's not even saying anything anymore
we have people that aren't actively contributing and are getting away with it
Hiplop's vote is better off having not said anything at all.

How is it not incredibly apparent what's happening here?

[MrZepher]

Is sven silenced?

[MrZepher]

Actually I'm pretty sure sven is silenced, which make's Aronis' vote look really bad.

lynch me or whatever, but lynch either Aronis or 14.5 tomorrow.
Zdenek or Goat are also good places to look.

pv is town.

[MrZepher]

I'm pretty sure that scum are trying harder to lynch me than the town tbh.

[MrZepher]

Jordan has done literally nothing for the last few days. When I read through the ISO it's just a bunch of excuses and semi-transparent votes.

[MrZepher]

Why do we think PV is scum?

[MrZepher]

All of these wagons seem god awful from my perspective

[MrZepher]

Either's Jordan's lazy town which if that's the case lord help you all once I'm dead.

or scum think I'm worth getting rid of which means one of two things
1. I've pegged enough scum in my reads that I've become a threat
2. They think I'm some sort of PR, which, okay.

Or I'm legitimately getting lynched by town and I'm just salty as fuck by it.
The way people have been posting around my lynch very much steers me away from the latter(lattest?).

[MrZepher]

I don't like Sleepykrew's vote on PV.
I want to avoid voting goat until he either starts posting or gets replaced.
Hiplop is a very easy mislynch (pretty much the easiest).

As far as hiplop goes Aronis looks the worst, Svens looks like the same svens that's been around all game (if a bit lazier).
14.5/Jordan is a 50/50 chance for hitting scum. I don't think both of them are scum even though I really want to.

ika is town.

[MrZepher]

i was just summarizing my opinions of the last vote count. give me a sec.

[MrZepher]

ika - town
PV - town, one of my strongest reads even though I've questioned it
IJ - likely town, probably the scum of the two
Svens - likely town
Sleepykrew - Probably actually town. Zed's absence can be attributed to something out of our control.
Goat - Probably actually town.
hiplop - i had seen him as the townier looking one in the reck/hiplop neighborhood thing. that doesn't just go away especially now that reck flipped town.
14.5 - He's loud but for a hydra there's a lot of shitty taffy reasoning behind a lot of his votes. I haven't been too impressed with him or his reads. Likely scum.
Jordan - Lazy and doesn't say much. I shouldn't be surprised that he's taking the chance to vote me. Not a PR.
Aronis - Serene made the effort to make him seem townier, and his play improved after that. Lately his vote have been too opportunistic to be from town.

ika/goat's wagons started and ended in ways where they came off as town to me.
PV's lovers thing makes sense to me even if I don't see it as being entirely optimal. It just took me a while to grab on.
Svens has been pretty consistent all game, and I've gotten the willies from IJ since day 1. The fact that IJ is the one being vocal against lynching the lovers tells me that they're the party that's likely scum of the two lovers.

Because I don't think anybody on my wagon will get any votes until after I'm dead I'm inclined to vote Aronis. There are obvious issues with doing that though.

[MrZepher]

That's a lie. I've gotten the willies on and off from IJ since day 1.

[MrZepher]

oh wait jordan got silenced there's no way he can be scum

nm

wait who all has been silenced this game?

[MrZepher]

wait....


fuck. I need to rethink my reads then kind of.

[MrZepher]

oh wait jordan got silenced there's no way he can be scum
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wait who all has been silenced this game?

Why is silence a scum ability?
If it's a scum ability, can they use it on scum to make them appear town?

the answer to this is why this next post exists

wait....


fuck. I need to rethink my reads then kind of.

Also there's no way I can conceive of a silence mechanic that exists as a potentially pro-town role in a non-bastard game.

[MrZepher]

PV already asked what I wanted to know about sven's opinion lol

[MrZepher]

i kind of feel like hammering myself so we can get off this dumb argument about whether or not I'm town.

at this point me being alive is doing exactly what I said it would. lol.

[MrZepher]

hello?

team?

[MrZepher]

I've been saying kill 14.5 for awhile now.

[MrZepher]

my vote doesn't matter. i'm the one that needs to die today.

[MrZepher]

Where's the anger coming from?
There's not a whole lot day shift is going to get done while I'm alive and 14.5 is frothing at the mouth about it. My vote there isn't going to do much. It's fine.

wtf do you expect me to do in 24 hours?

my reads are this: lynch 14.5

[MrZepher]

if you want something more give me a bit. I never got around to actually fixing everything once I realized my reads weren't correct last episode.

[MrZepher]

Ultimately it's going to be me saying lynch from: 14.5, jordan, sleepykrew.

I have no idea who the scum on the night shift is tbh. ika and hiplop are town reads.

[MrZepher]

I literally didn't realize that's what you wanted.

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[MrZepher]

6 scum with some pretty strong PRs tilted the scales a little considering scum had almost total control over who was interacting with whom in a mechanic that already promotes limited interaction.

The game was optimized assuming people would act in an optimal manner starting day 1 and realistically that didn't actually happen until like episode 3 or 4.
Not the fault of the mods that things got pretty one-sided as the game went on.

Flavor was excellent. Like. lol.

Mastin and AP's mess of an episode 1 made the game a lot harder then it should have, but everything else can be driven to poor commitment on lynches from individuals and a lot of do-nothing from people like myself, Goat and ika that let Hiplop and Jordan coast until endgame basically for free.

[MrZepher]

I was never given access to the death thread. I'm kind of salty about that.

[MrZepher]

I don't think the mechanic took into consideration how likely lynch-only lovers are to actually be lynched.

That discussion kind of fucked us at a critical moment.

[MrZepher]

I think Brian is as salty about not killing me as I am about not killing Jordan...

[MrZepher]

what's the issue with the lover/commuters? Does anyone who wasn't on the scumteam not like it? lol

I think it would have been better for one of them to have been scum actually. That way if the WERE lynched (which you have to admit is pretty likely. Lovers don't just SURVIVE. Please.) we weren't just losing a couple of strong power roles.

You would have had to balanced the scum side vs the town side yeah but I think that creates a more balanced effect overall without changing the presence of the role.

[MrZepher]

Please stop hitting on my mom in front of me.

This post murdered me btw