Advance Wars UPick!--Game Over..?

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/confirm
Not voting as I'm about to go on a 3 day holiday.

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I'm rereading at the moment, screw you for lynching while I was gone.

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Neotank Mark 2 is one of two possibilties:
1. Someones abiltity has given them an alt. meaning they have 2 votes.
2. It's a joke reference to AW.

The neotank was added to the game in Advanced Wars 2: Black Hole Rising, it wasn't well recieved as:
1. The other tanks were called tank, then medium so the neotank should of been a large tank according to some OCD's.
2. It was overpowered as hell, only artillery could stop it. It was also a very powerful snowball.
3. It looked like an egg with legs which ran on wheels. Google it.
Natirasha could be making a joke here if she's aware of AW discussion.

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If it's an alt lash probaly has it as lash was the first to have the lab in AW2 that unlocks the neotank.

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She's basically the black hole scientist and was very overpowered in varied terrain, she'll be a powerhouse one way or another.

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Yeah, we should kill mara.
VOTE: Mara
Wish I could explain why.

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Sorry to leave y'all in suspence why I voted mara, I actually do have reasons however it's more fun to do what I did and let y'all speculate. I was about to go to sleep so I made that short post, I'm nearly finished catching up and you can expect a case in a little while.

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Oh I see. In sort of the same vein, what do you think about 1277? I've never played with Bookitty before. Is this reasonable for bookitty, considering she hasn't bought up this metadive before and

Flubbernugget is a town-read because I haven't seen him be this aggressive nor this out-front as scum. His play is a bit erratic as either alignment imo, but he's not this open with his reads and opinions as scum in my experience.

Sorry to leave y'all in suspence why I voted mara, I actually do have reasons however it's more fun to do what I did and let y'all speculate. I was about to go to sleep so I made that short post, I'm nearly finished catching up and you can expect a case in a little while.

Oh. I think book and I thought it was a softclaim rofl.

Should I expect it tonight? Debating on whether to stay in thread to talk or to send emails

It'll be done in the next 8 hours, I'm short on time and don't have PC access.

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Why'd I quote that?

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VOTE: flubbernugget

This look opportunistic.

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Okay. Some questions for

wgeurts

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Can you explain why "we should kill mara," please?

What do you find opportunistic about STD's vote on flubbernugget, especially given the fact that flubber isn't the leading wagon by far?

Ok, I'm caught up. I'm sorry for not posting a lot, I've been rather buisy. I should of posted a case on mara yesterday, however I had no time.
The STD vote was naked and was placed convienty at the start of a wagon which looked like it could grow. The mara case will be up in 24 hours, I'm phone posting this.

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I have rethought my orci read and I suggest we get her on the lynch wagon today. That's enough said as the reasons could prove useful to the scum. I suspect her of being scum as well which I'll explain later after briefly saying my reads.
Town:
Brian, Cabd and Albert B. Rampage, Orci and Mara. I'm pretty sure on these and I'm only listing those of confident in.

Scum:
Need to rethink.

This will be explained later in this post. I'm only stating these reads as others I'm unsure of, they will be posted later as a relook everyone as I had to skim quite a bit to catch up. However before I explain my scum reads I've got an idea which I wish to explain.

We should all claim our CO name, knowing all names could allow flavour analysis allowing us to guess role types and alignment. This would only work if (nearly) everyone agrees to claim. I know this would also provide the scum info however the doctors in the game would get the same. It's just a thought at the moment and I'm thinking of the scenarios which could follow a mass-claim.

Now there are good reasons for my reads, I can already say that Orci and Mara are pretty conf. town with what me and my neighbourhood know. Brian skies and cabd are also close to conf. town for other sensitive reasoning.

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Just some quick points:
If cabd flips town, then Brian is conf.
If mara flips town, then orci is conf.

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UNVOTE: Mara
Thank you neighbour for pointing that out.

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@wgeurts:

1. Does your neighbourhood agree with all of what you've just posted here?

2. What is the basis for any of these reads, please? More than "with what me and my neighbourhood know." That's not good enough.

3. How does any of that make a mass flavour-claim a good idea?

I want a mass claim to get rid of the secrecy, my only problem is if not everyone claims then those that do have a possible problem. By claiming roles I could let some of that info loose as it wouldn't leak neighbourhood alignment tells. The neighbourhood would agree with most of the statements yes.
A mass flavour claim allows us to organize an get key PR's on wagons, it would aid us both and it would break mafia plotting in the hoods. The reasons however have to do with trackers, cops and someone outside the hood contacting us with their ability. I'm trying to piece together the puzzle however I don't trust everyone yet in my hood.

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Flavour claim could also potentially make my reads stronger then they are.

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@Wgeurts: You need to explain in detail what you meant by Post 1513 and Post 1514.

To help motivate you toward that end, have a shiny new vote created fresh for you!

VOTE: wgeurts

I'm trying to get info across without leaking who the people are with the PR's, I don't fully trust all of them however Natirasha has made some wacky roles. As I don't trust the hood yet I'm not going to fully belive their claims. I also don't want potential PR's lynched. All the info isn't from our hood, some of the hood player's are claiming to have recieved messages from the mod whichcontain messages on players.

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Flavour claim could also potentially make my reads stronger then they are.

So you're assuming that scum has "bad character" COs while town has "good character" COs?

No, however a role like andy is more likely to be protective for instance.

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Do you have any intention of explaining your reads anytime soon?

Unless you want me to reveal potential invesigative roles, then no.
I don't trust them yet fully however they are what I have at the moment, reads based off play are being developed.

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The people have not been confirmed anythkng yet, we have a cop claim on Brian and a possible Paranoid Cop like thing on Orcinus. Orcinus was visited by someone who someone tracked, then a member of our hood get a mod message saying orcinus is town. As for flavour influencing abilties, yes they do actually. Jugger's ability aligned with flavour and a lot of the claimed abilities do aswell, andy is close to certain some protective ability. We can use this to possibly see if the three prospective cops/trackers have co's like sonja ect.

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@Wgeurts: Without revealing names of those in your neighbourhood or roles, do you think it more likely everyone in your neighbourhood is town or that there are scum there? For those who have given you investigative information, do you think they trust you? Do you trust them? Do you think it's possible they might lie as town if they didn't trust you?

Please do not respond to this with a list of names and reads from your neighbourhood. This is not what I am asking for. I want a general overview of what you meant by the posts I mentioned earlier. I also second the request that you explain your initial "we must kill mara" comment in context of what you meant at the time that you posted that.

It's possible we're all town, if the claimed cop pulls their game of well we can be all cleared. My conf reads are incorrect I see as well, I need to rethink some stuff as the odd inspective roles change shiz.

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Oh, if you can't spell wgeurts yoghurt is easier.

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Wguerts yes or no question

Was Cabd the person who encouraged/started claiming?

I came up with idea, cabd plays no part.

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Fuck why the fuck did you claim

That is actually so damn stupid

I haven't.

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And why was

I

the investigation target???

The tracker said you where visited by someone, idk.

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For Orci, I'm reading what I've missed however I started on this oage so I'll react now. I will not claim, TYVM.
We had a tracker follow someone, they visited you. Someone in the neighbourhood also got a message saying you're town, this mean the person visiting you is either a paranoid cop, or something else sent the message. However the fact we got such a message makes me think you're town.

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Mara would you care to flavour claim?

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Wait what has happened?
I was going to post my old mara case and now everyone hates her skin? I'll post my old case an read what I've missed, I was rather buisy the last few days. Can anyone sum up what happened?

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Nobody hammer just yet!

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Mara's first posts are well, crap to say in the least. She even starts out with self-meta in 288. She's still posting small comments, here and there trying to look like she's investing effort for the town. However they are of little worth and even less content. She's still doing this by 443 for goodness sake. There's got to be some content for her to in the least make a reads list instead of her making comments on cabd and whatnot. I must admit there is a read's list on 271 however it's been given no reasoning for about 97% of the players on it.
She's also barely attempting to defend herself, she's litteraly got no signs of struggle you should have as town trying to break up a wagon on you and proving you're town.
In her posts after this she posts some *unexplained* reads however there is still a lack of scum hunting. Yeah she votes orci, however where is the explicit reasoning for it aside from one sentence comments?
However over a span of many, many posts you start to get a vague vision of why she's scum reading orci, and it's based off a flippin replacement tell.
Other reasons are finally made clear in 974. The only reasonable post by then. It however feels like she's doing it to get rid off accusations that she's not giving reasons etc..
Day two there's literally nothing useful from her. I want her to claim, but first she must give reasons for her replacement. That could explain the partial inactiveness. A claim would be better however.

I changed my thoughts on her as I thought she could be a paranoid cop or something. However her recent soft-claims don't add up to this so this reason is gone as I see no risk in going to her lynch.
Her being a possible cop was literally the only thing withholding me from voting her, I have scum read her for a long time.

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If that's unreadable it's my Dutchness'es fault.

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What's she at right now, it's a bannable offence however the mod did pull it back. Now why would she do this if it's town?
Town wagon replacements happen more often.

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unvote;
Vote: Ms Marangal

This looks bad
VOTE: Konowa
Really bad.

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Wait what has happened?
I was going to post my old mara case and now everyone hates her skin? I'll post my old case an read what I've missed, I was rather buisy the last few days. Can anyone sum up what happened?

If Mara was looking to get lynched and you were scumreading her, why do you feel the need to get your case in (and verify that you were already scumreading her)?

As it had been requested a lot however I was buisy and had no time to phone type it and spell-check it afterwords.

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I'm doing a catch-up now and this post really stands out to me because here I am reading through the same stuff trying to figure out what's going on, and I don't see where the bolded came from at all.

Very little time today and tomorrow to post, but let me get this all straight.

Cabd used a 1 shot CO power to cop Brian as town.

Mara used an amnesiac cop ability to cop Orci as town, which was sent to one of Cabd's neighborhood members.
There's a tracker in Cabd's neighborhood who tracked Orci last night.

wgeurts and Cabd are in a neighborhood together.

This needs to be looked at as more data about night actions comes in to see if it looks like there was prior knowledge here.

This is all true however we don't if the PR's are who we think they are. Mara doesn't seem like a cop anymore so this theory has fallen flat.

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I need to ISO the people I haven't looked at a lot.

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VOTE: konowa

a quick ISO of konowa reveals this to be a better vote than SMP. wagon with me!

Well ahead of you.
ABR is town aswell, I know his scum game after a lot of meta.

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Also Cabd's one-shot cop is legit.

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Anyway how do you know he had a one-shot cop?

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Seeing how cabd's already leaked this he's indeed collin and neighbours with me. He indeed claims to have copped brian in the thread so that's what I know.

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There's not much to explain. Even with Mara being under the influence the entire rant didn't seem genuine to me. I absolutely thought Mara was going to be lynched and absolutely wanted two stars heading into N2 so I can use my COp again.

unvote;
Vote: LynxKuroneko

He's claiming freakin cop here!
Nobody accidentley does that without reason or pressure, I'm calling absolute bull here. Lynch him.

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Oh wait
Commanding Officer Power

Nvm

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I didn't cop you, orcinus. I'm not willing to divulge any more.

I admit I have played like crap thus far. I feel like I've discussed more, which still isn't substantial, in my neighbor thread than here and I think that is by design on my part.

Call it COP not cop for my sanity plz.

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Really meta reasoning here
VOTE: Mara
Sorry but that rule wouldn't be added otherwise.

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I don't understand but I realize this is my fault

Explain.

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Yeah the neotank owner hasn't claimed ownership which would help as town.
VOTE: Neotank Mk.2
Let's see if Natirasha accepts this.

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VOTE: notscience

I'm not voting because I have no reason to vote

my CO ability is worthless

Why can't you just play normally for ****'s sake.

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Then why do you even join?

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Can we policy her?

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Him*

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I'm gonna go pee now.

What changed was a whole possible paranoia of lynching a paranoid cop, haven't you read anything?

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I'm gonna go pee now.

You listed only one post of me which was explained exstensiveley, I believe you're not even trying to scumhunt however any case on you will now look like OMGUS.

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I'm sorry but ABR's play is consistent with his meta, I've done it before and played with him as traitor while I was scum. We however knew he was traitor so I followed his game well.

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Can someone opt to show who these low-hanging fruits were are which post he plucked them?

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I've done it before and played with him as traitor while I was scum. We however knew he was traitor so I followed his game well.

Rephrase this please

Sorry, Dutch phone-posting here.
I've played as scum in open stack the deck, he was traitor and I was role cop. I investigated him Night 1 and he turned up traitor. Therefor I was well aware of how he was playing as scum, I know his scum game. I also did meta on him to defend him from a bus I started on him.

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Can someone opt to show who these low-hanging fruits were are which post he plucked them?

Rephrase this please

Can someone quote and explain where ABR plucked "low-hanging fruits"?

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I'll ISO ABR, he's looking town to me but I haven't had a deeper look yet. Thanks for the posts though.

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Guys we should kill this neotank, if you have any info on it say now.

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Lets mass claim, someone please start.

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Tbh when I played with town abr I don't remember him caring at all what anyone else thought. And I don't see him caring about who he shoots unless he's town.

He did the same as scum, check open 575 stack the deck.
I was scum with him and texcat.

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Tbh when I played with town abr I don't remember him caring at all what anyone else thought. And I don't see him caring about who he shoots unless he's town.

He did the same as scum, check open 575 stack the deck.
I was scum with him and texcat.

I can imagine but its weird behavior which points more to scum than to benign 3rd party.

Abr is as Brian said someone who will play to his win condition and we're in his way. Mabye we should ISO him again and compare the motivations for town/scum/3rd-party in his posts.

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Also, apparently, your Star Limit is your CO power requirement. So holding onto your stars for multiple actions in a night is a no-go.

what the hell? this was not stated by nati anywhere that i can find

This is how the videogame works too

We need to keep in mind ABR may have a SCOP.

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So who's going to claim first btw?
I feel like it's being stalled, but yeah I'm neighbours with cabd.

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Wgeurts, what are your reads?

Cabd, Brian, STD, Notscience, Mara, Konowa and Ffery are town.
I need to redo my scum reads however...

CAN WE CLAIM NOW I'VE BEEN SUPPORTING THIS ALL FLIPPIN GAME AGAKAGHAHEBJ!

I'll start if that's ok with cabd.

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Fuck you gogurt. keep it in your pants, we go last

Ok master.

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So I believe STD's town otherwise it would be odd if scum sent the eagle message to scum, whichs makes BM a masonry unless Brian and cand are both.scum which I.doubt.
Oh, my ipod broke and pc so I'm stuck with a crappy phone. Going through factions one by one.

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STD is town probaly, why would he have revieved eagles message? Scum.sending a message saying Orci's town to scum makes no sense. I think we should at him to prob town. I'll post the fruits of my analysis once I have a non-phone keyboard anywhere, stupid Samsung Galaxy Young GT-bla. I'm willing to hammer however.

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L-1 I think is often used as a BS scum reason to hammer, if he flips town we lynch boo. End of.

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Plz call me yoghurt, wog reads so badly. What did I do wrong btw.

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Have I really shitted up some complot I'm not part of?

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STD got a message from hawke do, I'm really confused.

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Why'd it auto end?

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Saki absorbed all targets last night then, I was a tracker that with 3 stars could recieve all system messages of a player besides role pm. Screw y'all for not letting me be on a single wagon.

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Oh crap
Why is the title Game Over..?

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Why'd it auto end?

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Well Woop then

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Lol @ STD