Touhou UPick 3 - [Game Over]

Kagami · Post Post #50 (isolation #0) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:15 am

In post 43, zMuffinMan wrote:Serene's argument is very convincing and is making me want to bus SB.

ok

VOTE: SB

Kagami · Post Post #124 (isolation #1) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 1:57 pm

I will be using a card tonight; there's no good reason to interact with it.

Kagami · Post Post #180 (isolation #2) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:59 pm

Neighborhood constituency can't possibly carry alignment-indicative information, sakura.

Kagami · Post Post #181 (isolation #3) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:00 pm

Muffin, why did you ask who the SMers are?

I know I have absolutely no intention of meta-ing them, and I imagine neither do you.

Kagami · Post Post #191 (isolation #4) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:19 pm

Claiming/confirming flavor is probably not a great idea.

FG has a history of giving characters who are more powerful in flavor better abilities.

Kagami · Post Post #194 (isolation #5) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:23 pm

I want to say sakura is suspicious, but if she's scum, then she would likely make lylo a trivial posting race if the vampires are alive.

Kagami · Post Post #198 (isolation #6) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:28 pm

In post 197, zMuffinMan wrote:i have a gut town read on relentless

-_-

Kagami · Post Post #205 (isolation #7) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:40 pm

UNVOTE:

Kagami · Post Post #301 (isolation #8) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 5:05 am

In post 295, pieguyn wrote:also Sakura is probably scum and Serene is like 95% town

@Sakura:
answer my question in [post]186[/pos]?

Does sakura scum make sense given your negative utility aspect? (Yes/No/Irrelevant)

Kagami · Post Post #305 (isolation #9) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 5:11 am

VOTE: Sakura

Kagami · Post Post #312 (isolation #10) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 5:45 am

In post 308, pieguyn wrote:
In post 305, Kagami wrote:VOTE: Sakura

also interested in the reasoning behind this, even though I agree with the conclusion

mostly little things:

I have minor verbiage issues with 154 in addition to not getting from its content.

I don't like the "must be 1 scum in my neighborhood" bit.

I feel like town-sakura would have more interest in double-lynching, and less concern for locking daycards. Even if the scum have powerful cards, I'd love to see them happen on day 1.

Muffin investigation is extremely superficial, and I don't think she cared about actually getting an answer.

Ank strikes me as town. Locking his daycards because they are related to her power is defensive rather than investigative.

I'm also seeing interactions and non-interactions that I don't like, but that's a story for later in the game.

Role-wise, her power would be town due to interactions with the vampires and the ability to double-lynch, but your assertion and the existence of another multi-voter reduce the relevance of that.

Kagami · Post Post #313 (isolation #11) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 5:46 am

EBWOP: not getting fuzzies* from its content

Kagami · Post Post #315 (isolation #12) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 5:54 am

What do you think about sky pally? (@both pie and sakura)

Kagami · Post Post #327 (isolation #13) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:12 am

In post 321, zMuffinMan wrote:

In post 301, Kagami wrote:Does sakura scum make sense given your negative utility aspect? (Yes/No/Irrelevant)

Why are you asking pieguy this? (Or rather, how would pieguy's thoughts on this matter compared to your own?)

Because pieguy knows how FG has ameliorated the vampires' hated status this time around, which may be relevant to sakura's ability.

The simplest method would be a "not hated today" daycard, but that would be terrible design if the vampires are town and sakura is scum, since even if FG decided to include a surprise lylo mechanic again, it would make lylo a race to post first. If pieguy had implied that he becomes non-hated via a daycard, I'd consider that as evidence that sakura is town.

Kagami · Post Post #331 (isolation #14) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:21 am

In post 329, Sakura Hana wrote:How does it make LyLo a race to post first?

Sakura-scum posts first, votes pieguy-town in lylo. Rest of scumteam hammers, pieguy is helpless due to your power.

Pieguyn-town posts first, declares card, town doesn't autolose.

It would just be inelegant to such an extent that I don't believe FG would do it. It would also open the door for serious mod error if he's even slightly late or early unlocking the thread.

Anyway, pie suggested that it doesn't work that way, so it doesn't matter.

Kagami · Post Post #333 (isolation #15) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:24 am

yep, that's how FG "solved" the hated lylo problem last game. But that was irrelevant since the scumteam knew you were masons and knew your powers.

Kagami · Post Post #335 (isolation #16) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:29 am

There is no PT spy and probably no daychat for scum. I have a locked neighborhood and it specifically tells me no one but the listed people have access to it.

FG did the same thing in corpse bride recently as a sort of fallout from upick2.

Kagami · Post Post #412 (isolation #17) » Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:21 am

In post 409, Rylai Crestfall wrote:

Actiondan: Cool with since he's actually posting (I also like what he's posting so)

What do you like about the posting?

Side note: the serious bananas thing is absolutely incredible. Is that what SB stands for, SB?

Kagami · Post Post #476 (isolation #18) » Sat Feb 28, 2015 1:56 am

In post 430, pieguyn wrote:

@Kagami, specifically:
what are your thoughts on thdg?

Busy, but I assume thdg town from GiF's assertion.

Kagami · Post Post #610 (isolation #19) » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:05 pm

Natural lynch with 8 day deadline = deadline lynch; it's not informative.

Use the gladiate if nothing is happening by tomorrow night, imo. I'll volunteer for second player. Don't pick thgd since AD is right that double lynching is a very real and easy to achieve possibility under the gladiate.

Kagami · Post Post #611 (isolation #20) » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:06 pm

UNVOTE:

Kagami · Post Post #660 (isolation #21) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 10:07 am

If muffin is accurately describing his role, which is easily demonstrable, he's town.

Kagami · Post Post #662 (isolation #22) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 10:11 am

spellcard, ability, whatever.

Kagami · Post Post #674 (isolation #23) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:42 pm

In post 672, zMuffinMan wrote:general question for anyone that actually reads 655, what do you think of it? both in terms of its content and what it says about drezi's alignment?

I don't understand why you made me read that.

Kagami · Post Post #707 (isolation #24) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 3:56 pm

What gave you the prior for drezi-scum, muffin?

Kagami · Post Post #712 (isolation #25) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:33 pm

What is the utility of holding on to the gladiate?

Kagami · Post Post #714 (isolation #26) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:52 pm

I'd be happier with it not in the game, and with it's existence proven before shenanigans such as discard effects could happen.

I don't see much point in holding it.

Kagami · Post Post #742 (isolation #27) » Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:26 am

I'm not katsuki.

Kagami · Post Post #774 (isolation #28) » Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:19 am

Idk, worst thing about sky pally is not the poor reasoning, but rather the feigned belief that he had been vigged.

Kagami · Post Post #775 (isolation #29) » Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:20 am

Which does look very feigned.

VOTE: Sky paladin

Kagami · Post Post #776 (isolation #30) » Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:22 am

lacking the role-based prior, I think drezi is only moderately scummy.

Kagami · Post Post #780 (isolation #31) » Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:31 am

You think too many scum in a readslist is scum-indicative?

Kagami · Post Post #781 (isolation #32) » Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:33 am

In post 778, zMuffinMan wrote:
In post 774, Kagami wrote:feigned belief that he had been vigged

mm... i have mixed opinions about this

just to be clear, are you referring solely to the reads list post or his whole reaction?

The reads list post coupled with stressing that he thought he had thought he was dead in a later post coupled with the prior that satellite himawari makes little sense as a killing card over, say, royal flare.

Kagami · Post Post #784 (isolation #33) » Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:39 am

Posting a reads list is a stereotypical thing you do when you believe you've been killed, which is well known. I don't think it was reasonable to believe that there was a dayvigging.

I don't think the content is incredibly objectionable, though I disagree on sakura and pie being scum together and I think ankamius and kilga are town.

Kagami · Post Post #789 (isolation #34) » Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:52 am

In post 786, zMuffinMan wrote:
In post 784, Kagami wrote:Posting a reads list is a stereotypical thing you do when you believe you've been killed, which is well known

this is the main thing i'm internally debating at the moment

whether it is likely he is scum who thought "oh, in case it's a fake day vig, i'll do this because that's what's expected"

or whether he's town who thought it was productive (or expected)

and i'm trying to figure out whether i think it's likely he really thought he may have been vig killed

to be honest, the rest of his reactions to what he may have thought was a day vig don't look that bad to me

Yes, the second sentence is what I was getting at. 678 does look to represent a legit belief, which I imagine is what you're seeing too, though it could also be a fabricated "oh, I'd have added this" sort of afterthought. I just have a hard time believing he interpreted the card as a dayvig, especially since the SM people must know flavor.

I think it's also a little weird to believe the SB-serious bananas thing might be a legit slip while also thinking AD is scum, but scum reads can mean independently scummy so meh. My neighborhood didn't get pre-game chat, though I think scum did in corpse bride.

Kagami · Post Post #791 (isolation #35) » Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:56 am

In post 789, Kagami wrote:
I think it's also a little weird to believe the SB-serious bananas thing might be a legit slip while also thinking AD is scum, but scum reads can mean independently scummy so meh. My neighborhood didn't get pre-game chat, though I think scum did in corpse bride.

Typed ahead of my thinking here, but the point was that the serious bananas thing could be a legit slit. I just checked again and FG's corpse bride had scum pregame chat while the neighborhoods didn't. If it is, that would make AD look very town.

Kagami · Post Post #792 (isolation #36) » Mon Mar 02, 2015 5:00 am

I don't think it's actually a slip, though. It's more likely that he had heard it before and forgot later. I don't see any reason why SB would talk about his name's meaning in pregame scumchat.

Kagami · Post Post #794 (isolation #37) » Mon Mar 02, 2015 5:07 am

I agree that it doesn't, and I think relentless/katsuki is town.

Kagami · Post Post #817 (isolation #38) » Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:13 pm

He's not claiming to be a vig. He's saying that his reaction is the town reaction, which is not what was argued.

The issue is that

##shoot: SP

is not the same as

Innocuous sounding spellcard: SP

.

I have no issue with the reaction, and further review supports the possibility that it was genuine.

Kagami · Post Post #819 (isolation #39) » Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:22 pm

Yep, missed that entire point.

Kagami · Post Post #820 (isolation #40) » Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:24 pm

@FG: Is is ok to ask if people got their first pick (without saying what their picks were)?

Kagami · Post Post #837 (isolation #41) » Mon Mar 02, 2015 3:12 pm

I agree that sky-pally's explanation is reasonable.

I hadn't mentioned it initially, but it had also struck me as odd that his formatting and verbiage was fairly well-constructed for someone who believed he had little time to get reads out; little things like deleting the numbers from the C&P of the playerlist, adding italics, and just generally solid prose. Nevertheless, the time-stamps don't lie.

On a separate note, I'd like everyone to claim if they got their first pick. I see absolutely no harm in doing so, while there is potentially some value in it.

I got my first pick.

Kagami · Post Post #860 (isolation #42) » Tue Mar 03, 2015 6:14 am

In post 853, SXTLHGaiden wrote:
fun fact, he copied the alive people list and not the VC list.
Also i got my first pick, futo.

Alive people list has the numbers. Whence comes the smarm?

Kagami · Post Post #861 (isolation #43) » Tue Mar 03, 2015 6:16 am

I also think a youkai/non-youkai claim has value, but that's maybe more contentious.

Kagami · Post Post #916 (isolation #44) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:22 am

UNVOTE:

Ambivalent on drezi v. ooba.

I think AD is more likely to be scum than either, and find mala highly suspect as well.

Still want muffin to gladiate today. Still volunteer to be gladiated.

If someone has a neighborhood nuke, they should use it on mine.

Kagami · Post Post #917 (isolation #45) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:24 am

There's nothing scummy about frequent vote switching, SP.

Kagami · Post Post #937 (isolation #46) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:27 am

In post 932, zMuffinMan wrote:i'm not gonna use the gladiate today, mainly because i left it too late (my fault) and i'm waffling on who i actually want to see lynched plus there's a lack of claims on the table to ease this decision. if i'm still alive tomorrow, i can do it then

You have plenty of time.

Kagami · Post Post #943 (isolation #47) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:06 am

FG is fast. We'll believe you anyway when it happens. I don't see the issue.

There's about zero chance that anyone will lose the opportunity to vote because of the forced unvoting. There's a much better chance that people's votes will sit on vanity wagons and be equally worthless, or that we'll have some threeway thing at deadline and a suboptimal lynch will be forced.

Who cares about upsetting people and fairness?

Kagami · Post Post #1054 (isolation #48) » Thu Mar 05, 2015 2:13 am

VOTE: Drezi

Kagami · Post Post #1055 (isolation #49) » Thu Mar 05, 2015 2:14 am

actually, I'll be around later anyway.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: ooba

Kagami · Post Post #1106 (isolation #50) » Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:01 am

In post 1105, zMuffinMan wrote:
In post 1099, Sky_Paladin wrote:That is not a full claim.

You have three spell cards and an ability.

I'm actually thinking this post was an unintentional town slip, given FakeGod posts role PMs in the scum PT and I find it highly unlikely he's scum who hasn't read his team's role PMs (or that scum all have exactly three spell cards and an ability).

The alternative here is he forgot or overlooked this.

Was thinking the same.

Kagami · Post Post #1108 (isolation #51) » Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:02 am

Also represents a failure to check the sample PMs, but that's not unexpected.

Kagami · Post Post #1110 (isolation #52) » Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:03 am

In post 1107, ActionDan wrote:
In post 1025, pieguyn wrote:I think Dan might actually be scum. I'm looking through his posts again and I don't see the town in them; he has a few scum reads, but I don't get the impression he's actually putting any effort into pushing any of his targets, as opposed to sitting around and looking like he's doing stuff.

Besides the fact that this comment applies to basically everyone who isn't you/Muffin this game, it's not my style to be in my scumreads' faces all the time. Unless I'm tunneling on one particular person since I've done that before. That isn't going to happen with kagami anyway since she hasn't answered the one question I asked her nor shown any response to the case I presented in one of my posts.

There are a lot of Sky P walls in the last few pages holy shit.

What case?

Kagami · Post Post #1116 (isolation #53) » Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:08 am

In post 1111, ActionDan wrote:
In post 458, ActionDan wrote:VOTE: Kagami

I just don't like the all of a sudden Sakura vote on the heels of Pieguyn's budding suspicion. It's a vote whose reasons lie in the past and thus could have been acted upon much more immediately (even in the post where Kagami says Sakura is suspicious). Besides the timing of it, I find the reasons themselves for it weak, especially the muffin investigation thing. Since I believe that played out in the Pieguyn and her back and forth I'll mention I found that looked pretty legit there. And even were the suspicion solid it's abnormal that it's isolated in a sea of content that Kagami has really yet to touch.

This one

You haven't thought about your own case.

Kagami · Post Post #1129 (isolation #54) » Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:30 am

In post 1127, ActionDan wrote:
In post 1116, Kagami wrote:You haven't thought about your own case

Apparently neither have you!

Why would you think that? Posting for funsies?

Kagami · Post Post #1137 (isolation #55) » Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:40 am

In post 1130, ActionDan wrote:
In post 1110, Kagami wrote:What case?

Plus the fact you don't have an appreciable comment on it

Your case has a problem that would be obvious to you if you were town.

Kagami · Post Post #1141 (isolation #56) » Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:43 am

You're certain your spellcard won't extend the day, muffin?

Kagami · Post Post #1172 (isolation #57) » Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:13 am

In post 1147, ActionDan wrote:Kagami you can tell what's blatantly wrong with that paragraph that i would have noticed had i been town. Don't be afraid to speak your mind.

The primary point is the timing and nature of the sakura vote and it's interaction with pieguy's "budding suspicion." You attribute this to some arcane scum motivation rather than the explanation for the timing that's right there in the thread.

You've apparently persisted in your belief for the entire day. You've spent no effort to validate it or introspect on possible town-explanations, nor any effort to explore alternative scumreads, including those that should arise through my interactions if you believed I were scum.

Further, I happily offered my own gladiating/double-lynching way back when, something that you showed absolutely no interest in pursuing despite me being your sole scumread. Town-AD would have attempted to push muffin to "call my bluff," or at least addressed it, but instead you did nothing.

Kagami · Post Post #1174 (isolation #58) » Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:16 am

In post 1170, zMuffinMan wrote:it really would have been nice to have more time to think about the claims than a few hours before the deadline when there aren't more viable wagons

You can request an extension, though I'm 98% sure it won't be granted.

Kagami · Post Post #1246 (isolation #59) » Sat Mar 07, 2015 9:37 am

In post 1243, Kilgamayan wrote:Whoops I completely missed that Dan targeted Kagami >_> It still doesn't change my opinion of the two of them, unless Dan decides it's worthwhile to share anything for whatever reason.

I'm curious about that too, though maybe it's related to my name's redness?

Kagami · Post Post #1253 (isolation #60) » Sat Mar 07, 2015 9:50 am

Anyone have any insight on what sakura's first pick was likely to be? Last game she had chosen someone who was very unlikely to be a duplicate 1st pick, and I doubt she lied that she didn't get her #1.

I had asked the question yesterday on the off chance that FG had intentionally given non-first picks in order to manipulate neighborhood constituency.

Kagami · Post Post #1255 (isolation #61) » Sat Mar 07, 2015 9:51 am

I also want to know if gaiden likes ghost stories.

Kagami · Post Post #1257 (isolation #62) » Sat Mar 07, 2015 9:52 am

ns vigged sakura.

Kagami · Post Post #1263 (isolation #63) » Sat Mar 07, 2015 9:59 am

Looks like scum didn't have a ninja.

Kagami · Post Post #1265 (isolation #64) » Sat Mar 07, 2015 9:59 am

Which makes rylai town.

Kagami · Sat Mar 07, 2015 10:05 am

In post 1271, ActionDan wrote:
In post 1269, notscience wrote:Yes it is us and it did have Sakura but she was cordially uninvited

Pedit

Also everyone must comment their thoughts on mala! If you don't, you die.

So how did Kagami know it was you who vigged her?

Global track.

Kagami · Sat Mar 07, 2015 10:07 am

Note also that none of those tracks is reasonably protection.

Kagami · Sat Mar 07, 2015 10:17 am

I'm curious if katsuki has anything to say before we get too hasty.

Kagami · Sat Mar 07, 2015 10:39 am

Action on me makes me less sure about AD scum.

Kagami · Sat Mar 07, 2015 11:02 am

In post 1295, zMuffinMan wrote:What do you think about SB then?

Idk, he's been off my radar I guess. Sakura paid a lot of attention to him without making a real push on him, which I imagine is what you're seeing.

I had mostly dropped suspicion of sakura, wrongly, so I haven't really done a proper reread yet. I was thinking mala scum and now suddenly everyone agrees. SB's point isn't a bad one, though I'd like pie's opinion.

Kagami · Sat Mar 07, 2015 11:04 am

Obviously that weakens it, but I don't think it's irrelevant.

Kagami · Sat Mar 07, 2015 11:14 am

In post 1311, GuyInFreezer wrote:^
To notsci

Also I think the global track that made scum not making a nightkill points towards Rylan town.

It remains possible that katsuki used a roleblock.

Kagami · Sat Mar 07, 2015 11:27 am

In post 1294, Kagami wrote:Action on me makes me
less sure
about AD scum.

AD isn't a town read by any means, and I don't disagree with that point. AD has pretty much said that he'll reveal whatever he learned about me, which should be revealing regardless.

Sakura's interactions with SB are definitely suspect, but I can kind of see that going either way.

Kagami · Sat Mar 07, 2015 11:27 am

In post 1317, SB wrote:Gaiden is also a good lynch because Sakura had him written off as town for weak reasons when I asked her about it in the QT and generally not doing anything.

Not sure what to make of Sakura's interactions with Sky yet.

No, that post makes gaiden town.

Kagami · Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:42 pm

In post 1343, Sky_Paladin wrote:
I currently have a time bomb on me so I'll assume that's a parting gift from Sakura.

Do you know when it goes off and whether the kill is preventable?

Kagami · Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:55 pm

In post 1378, Sky_Paladin wrote:Oh, sorry. It goes off at phase end. So if the phase suddenly ended that could be a problem.

And flavor is just "time bomb?"

Is your daycard "you can day at phase end" or "remove all negative stuff on you?"

Kagami · Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:56 pm

In post 1382, Kagami wrote:
In post 1378, Sky_Paladin wrote:Oh, sorry. It goes off at phase end. So if the phase suddenly ended that could be a problem.

And flavor is just "time bomb?"

Is your daycard "you
can't die
at phase end" or "remove all negative stuff on you?"

fixt

Kagami · Post Post #1385 (isolation #77) » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:09 pm

I see, I thought you were saying that you had a card that specifically countered it, which is hard to believe.

So "time bomb" or the like is your own wording?

Kagami · Post Post #1392 (isolation #78) » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:22 pm

save us some time, what will that do?

Kagami · Post Post #1403 (isolation #79) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:21 pm

I'm inclined to think that gaiden was not vigged, and I think his death points toward ooba-scum. I imagine ns was redirected.

Kagami · Post Post #1404 (isolation #80) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:22 pm

VOTE: AD

Muffin, does your investigation mean that SB is town, or was it that at least one of the two is scum?

Kagami · Post Post #1406 (isolation #81) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:24 pm

In post 1403, Kagami wrote:I'm inclined to think that gaiden was not vigged, and I think his death points toward ooba-scum. I imagine ns was redirected.

Without confirming or denying anything, stuff I said in the neighborhood could have been easily interpreted as me being an amnesic cop, and my question to gaiden makes it clear who the recipient was.

Kagami · Post Post #1408 (isolation #82) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:26 pm

Why would you shoot gaiden?

Kagami · Post Post #1410 (isolation #83) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:26 pm

And what happened to the bomb?

Kagami · Post Post #1414 (isolation #84) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:28 pm

In post 1411, Katsuki wrote:
In post 1403, Kagami wrote:I'm inclined to think that gaiden was not vigged, and I think his death points toward ooba-scum. I imagine ns was redirected.

Why would you assume notty/muffin vigs over gaiden?

I don't?

Kagami · Post Post #1417 (isolation #85) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:33 pm

double hammer can't feasibly hit two scum, it's only useful when there's uncertainty.

Kagami · Post Post #1421 (isolation #86) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:38 pm

We're in evens anyway.

Kagami · Post Post #1428 (isolation #87) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:45 pm

Oo, that will do the job.

Kagami · Post Post #1438 (isolation #88) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 2:04 pm

AD ending the day early was probably in part motivated by the belief that SP would die, but SP still needs to explain.

Kagami · Post Post #1472 (isolation #89) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 4:23 pm

In post 1469, GuyInFreezer wrote:Also am I missing something or why is AD scum if his spellcard does exactly what he says?

Because it doesn't. It just ends the day.

Kagami · Post Post #1475 (isolation #90) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 4:24 pm

UNVOTE:

Kagami · Post Post #1500 (isolation #91) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 4:44 pm

So why didn't AD try to get an SB lynch, ooba?

He could have easily used his day-ending card if it didn't look like it was going to happen.

Kagami · Post Post #1502 (isolation #92) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 4:45 pm

thdg, can you confirmed masons/alignment confirmed with GiF?

Kagami · Post Post #1511 (isolation #93) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 4:48 pm

In post 1504, zMuffinMan wrote:...

I'm surprised this didn't come up in your neighbourhood overnight.

both rylai and I said as much and took it for granted in the rest of the (short) discussion.

Kagami · Post Post #1520 (isolation #94) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 4:51 pm

In post 1515, ooba wrote:
In post 1500, Kagami wrote:So why didn't AD try to get an SB lynch, ooba?

He could have easily used his day-ending card if it didn't look like it was going to happen.

Haven't gone through AD's ISO.

If you're referring to today - that's why I said AD has already given up. The 'for posterity' and 'Sakura monster' post are clear indications.

I'm not saying AD is not scum - just that Muff's results could also be SB=scum, AD=town.

He already use the day ending card. He can't reuse it.

It was a very short day. You don't need to read an iso.

Kagami · Post Post #1581 (isolation #95) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 5:39 pm

Explanation for how you didn't die at the end of the phase, SP?

Kagami · Post Post #1583 (isolation #96) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 5:49 pm

AD-ooba, imo.

Kagami · Post Post #1610 (isolation #97) » Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:41 am

In post 1605, Sky_Paladin wrote:
I spent a little while wondering why Sakura didn't submit the scum night kill since she was basically outed/dead. Which leads me to believe Dan submitted it on Kagami and expected to be picked up for it, but something went wrong and Kagami didn't die (which is consistent with Kagami having 'the other half' of my immunity as I could have died night 1). Dan then played his skip-the-day ability, then the scum team used some kind of defensive mechanism on Dan on night 2. It's possible that he auto-roleblocked anybody who targeted him and that's how Science died, or he became paranoid etc etc. I assume scum hit Muffin night 2.
...

Btw, I was not immune to death on night 1; AD either roleblocked or rolecopped me. Since gaiden never had a chance to report whether he received the result of my action, we can't be sure, but my guess would be roleblock.

Rylai also interpreted the track the same way in our neighborhood, and assumed me to be conf-town by virtue of having been the NK target.

Given sakura didn't send the time bomb, it's probably the case that they had no answer to the global track.

Kagami · Post Post #1611 (isolation #98) » Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:41 am

(All of which points to rylai being almost certain town)

Kagami · Post Post #1612 (isolation #99) » Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:47 am

It's possible scum didn't interfere with notty's night 1 shot because they thought he'd aim at mala (suggesting mala town).

I doubt they bought the "I kill roleblockers" thing.

Kagami · Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:50 am

my lynch preference:

AD -> ooba -> katsuki/ank -> mala.

I think everyone else is town.

Kagami · Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:14 am

Believing your neighborhood must have scum is wrong, mala.

FG isn't incompetent, he randomized alignments prior to considering anything else. The neighborhood organization is entirely derived from players' picks, which would be determined independent of alignment.

The only way that neighborhood organization could have a dependency on scumteam organization is if FG gave people picks that were not their first pick for the sole purpose of manipulating neighborhoods.

Kagami · Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:03 pm

Just ask FG directly about action resolution. I think he typically tries to avoid anything too nutty.

I think ooba is more likely scum than katsuki, whose scumminess is mostly PoE by virtue of an intentionally pro-scum meta.

Katsuki should claim his action on night 1.

Kagami · Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:08 pm

ooba and katsuki should just full claim, really. Ooba should go first in case katsuki is town and did some kind of role-copping.

Kagami · Thu Mar 12, 2015 12:59 am

VOTE: Katsuki

Kagami · Thu Mar 12, 2015 1:33 am

(btw, I think katsuki's a scum doc/commutifier)

Kagami · Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:42 am

In post 1831, ooba wrote:
In post 1827, Kagami wrote:(btw, I think katsuki's a scum doc/commutifier)

If I was in a team that had a scum doc, I would just have told that person to protect someone obv town. On a night with tracked actions, this is tantamount to two scum calling each other 'masons'.

Good. This makes me feel better about the katsuki lynch.

Kagami · Thu Mar 12, 2015 5:55 am

In post 1836, Kilgamayan wrote:I keep forgetting that double/triple-ISO functionality thing at the bottom of the page exists.

omg

Kagami · Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:18 am

In post 1791, ooba wrote:
N2: Temple -> I do Sakura ISO
N2: Temple -> Post ISO thoughts

Ooba's thoughts on possible sakura partners based on her ISO on night 2:

Strong: GiF, AD, lily, SB, Sky Pal
Weak: Katsuki

(Yes, AD was a "strong possible")

Kagami · Thu Mar 12, 2015 1:57 pm

I really would rather the night phase occur through the weekend.

This is pretty cut and dry, let's double lynch katsuki and AD.

I still think ooba is scum as well, and I think 1433 was motivated by what I said in our neighborhood.

Ooba should fullclaim. In the unlikely event that he's town, then hopefully he gets shot because of how awesome and important his role is.

Kagami · Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:45 pm

I think that 374 is indeed a town-indicative post, if that's what you mean.

Sakura's posts can't be entirely trusted; 510-516 is a somewhat forced dissociation from AD that indicates she was being mindful of her scum-scum interactions. The sakura-cupcake SK bit doesn't strike me as especially genuine.

What do you make of relentless's vig "claim" given katsuki's claim?

Kagami · Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:50 pm

O, I'm retarded.

Ooba claimed in the neighborhood that actions that targeted him night 1 would fail.

Kagami · Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:50 pm

post 33 in the PT, if you'd like rylai to verify.

Kagami · Thu Mar 12, 2015 4:01 pm

He said he claimed his passive day 1, but I only see the "people shouldn't waste actions on me at night," which is pretty strongly implying ascetic/commuter anyway.

Kagami · Thu Mar 12, 2015 4:21 pm

Where did you specify investigative?

Kagami · Thu Mar 12, 2015 4:23 pm

I see, 1049.

Yes, this was in the context of SP's potential investigation.

Kagami · Thu Mar 12, 2015 5:10 pm

Why did you neighborize a claimed ascetic, katsuki?

Kagami · Thu Mar 12, 2015 5:11 pm

nvm, timing. Thought 1049 was already day 2.

Kagami · Fri Mar 13, 2015 1:51 am

That's a stupid argument and you know it, katsuki.

If your scum-play were as distinctly different from your town play as you're suggesting, then your scumplay would indeed be terrible.

Kagami · Fri Mar 13, 2015 1:52 am

Why do you think your predecessor implied he was a vig?

Kagami · Fri Mar 13, 2015 2:43 am

In post 1906, Katsuki wrote:
In post 1905, Kagami wrote:Why do you think your predecessor implied he was a vig?

The same reason why I go around softclaiming a billion different roles? I don't know I didn't read his ISO.

No, it's not the same.

You softclaiming a billion roles is just you spouting rubbish and is obviously so. Relentless said, without intent to be funny, that he could kill people.

This makes some sense as town, though is still bad play, if he had a useless role and was hoping to draw a block or NK. You don't have a useless role, though. You have a motivate and something that is spiffy enough that you want to stay alive another night.

Also, why did you neighborize ooba when you were already highly confident he was town prior to night 1?

Kagami · Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:06 am

My opinion isn't really changing here.

I think ooba is somewhat more likely to be scum than katsuki, but I'd be equally happy to see either lynched.

I think you should just make the call muffin. I don't want to wait until the weekend; I know I'm going to be less active then, and other people will be too, leading to a deadline lynch in spite of having confirmed scum. Let's just do this.

Of the uncertains-but-probably-town, I really don't think kilg is viably scum independent of role, but both multivoters being scum also seems like poor design. A successful double lynch executed by shadoweh will make me highly confident about the town-ness of that slot, especially given the implications of the card come mylo.

Speaking of which, you seem to be implying that you would use the card prior to us getting the hammer, shadoweh. That's bad, we're not doing that. Your card will double-hammer.

Kagami · Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:15 am

Typically one neighborizes with intent to get a better read on the player.

What was the intent of neighborizing ooba, then? It sounds like you discussed absolutely nothing relevant to the game, and you didn't claim your abilities to your intended mason partner.

Kagami · Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:17 am

Why did ooba have to "prod" you for reads?

Why didn't you lay out your thoughts as openly as possible to your high-confidence town neighbor?

Kagami · Fri Mar 13, 2015 1:09 pm

AD could easily have an unvoting or vote switching card that would cause non-AD to be lynched solo. Your votes should need to be the hammer.

Kagami · Fri Mar 13, 2015 1:51 pm

Your card puts three votes on two people, doesn't it?

There's no counterplay to that if you hammer two people at L-3. Bring two people to L-1 is just asking for trouble.

Kagami · Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:08 pm

Why is rylai scummy, shadow?

Kagami · Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:18 pm

In post 1944, pieguyn wrote:I'm trying to debate which of {Mala, Katsuki} I want lynched along with Dan. the main redeeming thing in favor of Mala is that N1 in the SDM neighborhood, notsci had asked me who in that neighborhood he should shoot, and I basically said "I'd prefer a shot outside, but if you shoot someone in here shoot Sakura". Sakura probably would have told the scum team about this, which makes it really counterintuitive for scum Mala to proceed to make a town case in the other neighborhood.

however, I don't think the scum team legit thought Sakura would die - they probably had a counter to the vig which they apparently didn't use on her - and notsci was dead certain Mala was scum.

From sakura's perspective, did it look more like ns was planning to shoot her or mala?

Kagami · Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:22 pm

There's the strong chance that any means of stopping the shot would be detected by the global track, so it may not matter what she thought.

Kagami · Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:23 pm

Muffzor, are you around?

Kagami · Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:31 pm

In post 1953, Shadoweh wrote:
In post 1940, Kagami wrote:Why is rylai scummy, shadow?

Because everyone's town-reading him. :V You probably think I'm joking. If you theorize ooba and katsuki not being scum though I'd say he's the next likely suspect. So it possibly doesn't matter today.

I don't think you're joking, I just don't think it makes much sense, especially in light of what pie just told us.

Kagami · Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:39 pm

Katsuki, we pretty much all agree already.

Kagami · Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:42 pm

And shadoweh's card should be the double hammer.

It's taking us 5+ days to sort out the double lynching with conf-scum. It's simply not going to happen again regardless.

Kagami · Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:02 pm

In post 1960, Shadoweh wrote:I don't know why you hate teamwork so much. :<
It really just requires me to play the card and then we figure out the best time for two people to lay the L-1's while Kilga flips the switches immediately.

And you see no way that this can go horribly wrong?

I have far more faith in the teamwork of the scumteam than town's.

Kagami · Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:14 pm

In post 1939, Shadoweh wrote::\ There are three confirmed town and three unlikely via associations, it's not hard to have a bunch of townreads, that's why you're getting so much attention right now. You don't really have to talk about a bunch of people, just the three that I've outlined as most likely second lynches besides you. (ooba, Rylai, Katsuki)

So you're no longer paranoid of ankamius?

Kagami · Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:28 pm

hisoutensoku spear is better~

Kagami · Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:30 pm

In post 1969, pieguyn wrote:well shit, guess I shot town

j;lkfasdf;kjalsda;lkjfgadfgaksdfasd;lkjfasdf;kjasldfjasdf f;KLDFSL;JKA;LKDJL;KJFL;J

mala, if you're here, reads?

o.o

I take AD's response to indicate a hit.

Kagami · Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:47 pm

It looks like FG is cooler than we are and is out partying.

mala prob has time to post readzors and claim anything that has been left out.

Kagami · Fri Mar 13, 2015 5:01 pm

In post 1979, ooba wrote:@Muff:

I expect Kats to flip town. Unfortunately, by saying this, I'm opening the gates to D4 paranoia - 'He knew Kats was town!!'

- Pie
- Kagami is town. The tunnel doesn't appeared fake.
- Shadoweh is town. Role wise and play wise
- SB town from your result
- Rylai's global track on N1 and D1 posting had him cemented as a strong town read. I wish he would post more though.

Below the above category:
- I got Kil=town from Sakura's ISO

I'm incredibly paranoid about SkyPal. His pushes on me are weird. The entire role based push on me was bunk. His post appears to have thought my role through - but no mention of the rollback spell card.
Also: He claimed SB-cop after Muffin claimed SB\AD. Also, not as strong, but I think AD should have been vigged over Gaiden.

So I'd say Mala+Anamikus by PoE. If Mala is wrong, then Sky.

What do you think about sky's interactions with the known scum?

Kagami · Fri Mar 13, 2015 5:07 pm

shh....

Kagami · Fri Mar 13, 2015 5:42 pm

In post 1989, Malakittens wrote:Also there's too many fucking roles with kill
Shots in it. Something irks me with the multiple votes ++ vig/day VIG things.

I was sort of thinking the same, but then I remembered AD's rap.

Kagami · Sat Mar 14, 2015 12:27 pm

Ooba, vote dan in your next post if you're town.

Kagami · Sat Mar 14, 2015 5:15 pm

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ooba

Kagami · Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:59 am

If we have to consolidate on AD. We're lynching shadoweh tomorrow.

Kagami · Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:54 am

Anyone have anything to report?

Kagami · Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:53 pm

In post 2241, Shadoweh wrote:
...Why would they kill the vanillaized mason instead of the other one.

I'm curious about this too, I was fairly confident thgsd would be alive today.

Kagami · Wed Mar 18, 2015 1:12 am

In post 2305, Shadoweh wrote:
Hey Kagami, what were Serene Forest/Ooba's opinions in the neighbourhood?

Ooba said very little in the neighborhood.

He gave a reads-list on night 2 that I mentioned earlier, in which he put AD and everyone who is conf-town as strong possible partners with sakura. In the same list, katsuki was a weak possible partner. This is the same night katsuki says that he claimed beloved princess in The Gap.

Other than that, he answered a questioned about how many scum he thought there might be. He said most likely four, but that town seemed powerful so 4.5 seemed possible.

Kagami · Wed Mar 18, 2015 1:13 am

In post 1840, Kagami wrote:
In post 1791, ooba wrote:
N2: Temple -> I do Sakura ISO
N2: Temple -> Post ISO thoughts

Ooba's thoughts on possible sakura partners based on her ISO on night 2:

Strong: GiF, AD, lily, SB, Sky Pal
Weak: Katsuki

(Yes, AD was a "strong possible")

Kagami · Wed Mar 18, 2015 1:15 am

In post 2250, Sky_Paladin wrote:...
I could be interested in a Kagami claim mainly for the sake of it's day 4 now, surely you've done something.
...

You might be surprised.

Kagami · Wed Mar 18, 2015 1:20 am

Kagami · Wed Mar 18, 2015 1:25 am

nothing at all; I didn't really want to talk night 1.

Kagami · Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:20 am

In post 2320, GuyInFreezer wrote:Also is it foolish of me to not expect 2 scums in 3 men neighborhood

In post 1616, Kagami wrote:Believing your neighborhood must have scum is wrong, mala.

FG isn't incompetent, he randomized alignments prior to considering anything else. The neighborhood organization is entirely derived from players' picks, which would be determined independent of alignment.

The only way that neighborhood organization could have a dependency on scumteam organization is if FG gave people picks that were not their first pick for the sole purpose of manipulating neighborhoods.

Kagami · Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:04 am

Meh, I agree that relentless's play appears townish, but katsuki's play is entirely centered on an attempt to protect ooba and his reads-list reeks of the desire to keep mislynches open. I also don't think FG would have called the neighborhood "Yukari's Gap" rather than "The Gap."

That said, there is role-based reason to believe scum is among rylai/shadoweh, which mass-claim should point toward.

"cupcake -> rylai -> ankamius -> i forget who else is in the game that hasn't claimed" <-- is fine.

Kagami · Thu Mar 19, 2015 6:42 am

In post 2344, Rylai Crestfall wrote:I've been waiting for Katsuki :/
One general question: Does anyone else besides Shadoweh have a spell card that expires if you don't use it before a certain day?

Does yours not have that restriction?

Kagami · Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:15 pm

Irrelevant to my role.

Kagami · Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:41 pm

In post 2357, pieguyn wrote:can you walk me through why you thought Dan targeting you made him more likely to be town? looking through this the only reason I found was that he claimed he'd lay out what he discovered about you (and I can't find where he did that, especially before you first started saying this), and if that's not the reason I don't think just him targeting you by itself makes enough sense as a town tell. what am I missing here?

Suppose you have a role that targets someone you don't like.

If you're town, you target your top scumread (which AD had claimed to be me).
As scum, you target someone based on some utility estimate, which is often biased against someone you plan to ultimately kill anyway.

Kagami · Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:42 pm

The point against that was, as muffin pointed out at the time, that the global track means you target "top scumread" regardless.

Kagami · Fri Mar 20, 2015 2:10 am

No, we finish massclaim today.

I was the one who brought up 4.5 scum (or 5 scum), because ooba had said that it seemed possible given town's strength. I also note that AD's ballad contained a complaint that town is too strong, which makes me think that those town roles which were revealed by day 2 do indeed belong to town.

I also agree that additional scum is possible. If we assume pieguy is town, then we have multiple cops (one of whom gets two results in one night and is unkillable) and multiple vigs (ns, pie, shadoweh).

One thing that the hider role would explain, if true, is why relentless claimed vig. He could have been planning to hide night 1, and was hoping to draw the NK.

The problem with the claim, to my mind, is that hiding behind ooba N1 would have made so much sense, especially with the global track.

Kagami · Fri Mar 20, 2015 2:10 am

In post 2450, Sky_Paladin wrote:Ank said he had a role-related reason to think Rylai was scum. Since we now have a (partial?) claim from Rylai, I want to see what Ank has to say before we end the phase.

yes, this.

Kagami · Fri Mar 20, 2015 2:12 am

In post 2335, Ankamius wrote:
In post 2332, Sky_Paladin wrote:
@Ank

Do you have a role related reason for wanting Rylai to claim before you?

Yes.

close enough.

Kagami · Fri Mar 20, 2015 2:14 am

In post 2455, zMuffinMan wrote:
regardless, the day should end with rylai using card after all is said and done

/agree

Kagami · Fri Mar 20, 2015 2:18 am

In post 2456, Katsuki wrote:\
though I don't have much grounds to stand on considering how ooba turned to be scum but still

That is one of many reasons you haven't ground to stand on.

That you're trying to pick a fight with conf-town while being too busy to read your role PM is another.

Kagami · Fri Mar 20, 2015 4:55 am

And you can use it every night?

Kagami · Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:42 am

Ok, so I'm kogasa and I'm a postman.

I have a card, Rain Sign "A Rainy Night's Ghost Story," that lets me send an anonymous message at night. I have a passive ability that lets me regain my card anytime I'm on a successful lynch.

N1: I sent a message to gaiden.
N3: I sent a message to thdgkdms

Nothing in my role PM suggests that I could be in any way the cause of thdgkdms's death.

Kagami · Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:51 am

Btw, I wasn't allowed to send a message to muffin.

Kagami · Fri Mar 20, 2015 7:33 am

I had asked way back when, there's not a 1 to 1 correspondance.

Kagami · Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:53 am

I assumed they would kill your slot or GIF over thgsm =\

Kagami · Fri Mar 20, 2015 12:11 pm

The only aspect of his neighborhood behavior that suggests scumminess is that he and ooba basically only conversed with me (looking back through it, there's absolutely no ooba-rylai interaction). That kind of goes both ways, though, since it's hard to imagine that a scumpair wouldn't at least make some token effort to converse with one another.

In general, I think his behavior indicates town. He began night two with a post that indicated he recognized AD as conf-scum, while ooba didn't follow suit at all. At one point, I pointed that the name of AD's spellcard was strange and it's odd that it simply ended the day. Ooba entertained that notion, and I think this is what prompted 1433 (which AD immediately dropped, possibly because it was clear I wasn't going along with it).

I think rylai's belief in the neighborhood that I was town for having been the nightkill target N1 also felt legit. I have no bulletproofness and no town visited me night one, so I wasn't the N1 kill, which makes the statement pretty town.

He also began night three with the comment that he thought shadoweh was suspicious and that katsuki felt too easy. I think this makes sense with his infinite vote card.

Conclusion: I think rylai is town.

Kagami · Fri Mar 20, 2015 12:43 pm

Meh, I think katsuki's probably scum and the game will probably end when he's lynched.

Kagami · Fri Mar 20, 2015 2:56 pm

I agree that it's odd, but realize you're prefacing all this on the notion that Katsuki has done all the stupid things he's done while somehow being town.

Kagami · Fri Mar 20, 2015 2:58 pm

Also, I'm not sure the factional night kill prevents the use of other abilities in FG games.

Kagami · Fri Mar 20, 2015 3:01 pm

And the real scum motivation to not acting would be that he DID act on katsuki, but katsuki really was hiding so he was unaffected. By claiming to have acted on katsuki, he would prove katsuki's action to be legit.

Kagami · Fri Mar 20, 2015 3:48 pm

I'm indifferent to night talk; I don't really see any huge benefit.

Kagami · Fri Mar 20, 2015 11:53 pm

VOTE: katsuki

Didn't kill kilg.

Kagami · Fri Mar 20, 2015 11:59 pm

FG had already started making the setup when /in'ned. He had messaged me responding to my "/in to replace" saying that I could just /in, and when I didn't respond within a day, he said he was going to start making the game. He let me in when I responded later.

I suspect he just made me an extra so he didn't have to redo his work.

Kagami · Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:07 am

nope. I don't have any actions that visit.

Kagami · Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:08 am

I sent him a full claim and reads in case I died.

Kagami · Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:27 am

UNVOTE:

Kagami · Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:29 am

Check with FG if you would have gotten it if he died.

Kagami · Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:40 am

Check a message specifically on the night that thgs dies.

Kagami · Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:47 am

While I've been entertaining the possibility since the flip that I somehow caused thgsd's death, it seems more likely that my message delivery failed because the target was dead, and thus you got nothing.

Kagami · Sat Mar 21, 2015 1:07 am

NK looks to be an ability. Can you use abilities and cards on the same night? (I'd imagine so)

Kagami · Sat Mar 21, 2015 1:08 am

In post 2656, Sky_Paladin wrote:I guess the issue is that you targeted a player who was effectively being watched and you were the only person seen when that player died - and your accuser is confirmed town.
This assumes scum used some kind of ninja shot and begs the question of if they had it, why it wasn't used n1 to dodge Rylai's card effect.

There's no issue, GiF just needs to get this clarified.

Kagami · Sat Mar 21, 2015 1:22 am

only daycard fails are announced

Kagami · Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:02 pm

While it's certainly possible there are 5 scum, the assumption is that there are 4, which is where ank's suggestion makes sense. Lying about the jailkeep results tomorrow is suicide for a 4-man team.

The issues I have is that I'm not certain there's only 4 of them given all the extra kills town appears to have and ooba's comment in the hood, and there's also the possibility that scum have either a roleblock or a strongman shot (which would be be disastrous).

I think rylai and ank are both town, btw.

Katsuki, could you check/answer something for me? If you had jailkept me night 1, and Pie's spellcard is as described, would my name be red during day 2?

Kagami · Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:04 pm

He thinks scum would potentially still make a kill and thereby clear him.

Kagami · Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:09 pm

I doubt it less sincerely, but I agree that 4 is more likely, which makes the jailkeep have real utility if they lack an answer to it.

Kagami · Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:11 pm

o right, your passive.

Kagami · Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:16 pm

Biggest problem with it is that it probably involves lynching someone who is more likely town than katsuki.

Kagami · Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:24 pm

VOTE: katsuki

Kagami · Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:27 pm

It's a good request, I had forgotten that I had unvoted while resolving GiF's shenanigans.

Kagami · Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:33 pm

In post 2729, Kagami wrote:
Katsuki, could you check/answer something for me? If you had jailkept me night 1, and Pie's spellcard is as described, would my name be red during day 2?

katsuki, can you answer this or provide specific enough wording that I can sort it out myself?

Kagami · Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:42 pm

In post 2778, Katsuki wrote:
In post 2774, Kagami wrote:
In post 2729, Kagami wrote:
Katsuki, could you check/answer something for me? If you had jailkept me night 1, and Pie's spellcard is as described, would my name be red during day 2?

katsuki, can you answer this or provide specific enough wording that I can sort it out myself?

I have no idea what you're asking me here. Expand on it further

I guess to distill it:

Let's assume you do indeed have a jailkeep, and that the roleblock aspect of it is identical to whatever was used on ns to kill him. Firstly, does it block spellcard use, and if so, how is that block described? (Like, the card fails, the effect is canceled, the card isn't used altogether, etc.)

Kagami · Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:45 pm

Ok, then it's probably useless info. I doubt it affects spellcards, which means that we don't get any additional insight on AD's N1 action.

Kagami · Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:47 pm

In post 2783, fferyllt wrote:
In post 2777, Ankamius wrote:Kagami's town. That's a read I'd stake the game on.

How familiar with kagami are you?

I've played a few games with her, and there's stuff about her play that's bugging me this game.

You, specifically, are likely to be bugged further.

Kagami · Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:52 pm

In post 2788, fferyllt wrote:
Why?

Misread something important. I'm thinking through something atm; it would have been nice if katsuki's answer were more helpful.

Kagami · Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:57 pm

In post 2786, Katsuki wrote:
Then how do you expect me getting bugged too?

I didn't get bugged in Corpse Bride.

I don't know what you're saying here, I was talking to ferry.

Kagami · Sun Mar 22, 2015 4:01 pm

Hey pie, do you have any theories about why gaiden's name was blue on day 2?

Kagami · Sun Mar 22, 2015 4:08 pm

In post 2825, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 2823, Kagami wrote:Hey pie, do you have any theories about why gaiden's name was blue on day 2?

My theory is that he used a spellcard thus detected too but since he was the user only him turns up blue.

I'm having a hard time parsing this o.o

Kagami · Sun Mar 22, 2015 4:20 pm

In post 2827, pieguyn wrote:now I do. I'm wondering what it has to do with anything, though.

Well, it's probably scum-originated (I would bet it's ooba's) and has a mechanic similar to yours. It would also be very awkward to handle if somehow a name could have been both red and blue. I'm a little surprised you haven't speculated on this.