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In post 32, GuyInFreezer wrote:Oh also I'm gonna outright say this.
this is yet another time I didn't get myself a neighbor in fg game.
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In post 46, Cho wrote:
We should townbloc this game. I'm good with you right now.
Also, FakeGod just slipped in a PM that our hood is 3 town 2 scum. lmao
I wanna come back to this but I gotta eat.beefycheese-
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In post 54, Mac wrote:In post 50, borkjerfkin wrote:Its a running joke from elsewhere move along.
Also how is it "forced?" Its either demonstrably true or it isn't (hint: it's this one)
the second question is a bit weird if you don't see how a possible scum entrance can look forced?
You're asserting it's a potential scum entrance because it "looks forced"; I'm merely asking for you to quantify what that means in this particular instance (aka what looks "forced" about it)beefycheese-
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In post 46, Cho wrote:Also, FakeGod just slipped in a PM that our hood is 3 town 2 scum. lmao
Just so we're super clear, are you kidding here? Because that would pretty egregiously change the way I approach the game if you're not.beefycheese-
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In post 56, GuyInFreezer wrote:Well since you denied it
His claim was obv fake because you said you hated your neighbor. So with that in mind, his random "hi I'm mason with bork" looks forced joke to me. But then, forced joke is not alignment indicative.
I mean for realsies what did you think was going on here if not him joking or specifically testing my / others' reactions (i.e the claim not being in earnest, with the caveat that I am not saying it would necessarily have been an effective reaction test)beefycheese-
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In post 74, Katsuki wrote:In post 73, borkjerfkin wrote:In post 46, Cho wrote:Also, FakeGod just slipped in a PM that our hood is 3 town 2 scum. lmao
Just so we're super clear, are you kidding here? Because that would pretty egregiously change the way I approach the game if you're not.
Probably true, because FakeGod just slipped in a PM that CHOSQUACK is one of those SCUMBIRDS.
I am having purified mafia flashbacks, lol.beefycheese-
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These two are (somewhat) naturally contradictory, depending on what you mean by "awkward/forced".
I think you've sufficiently clarified, yeah.beefycheese-
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In post 81, GuyInFreezer wrote:Do you remember that one game where everyone was on zmon because his joke looked very awkward and forced? (zmon was town)
Was he in IN? I only remember him being in xenogearsbeefycheese-
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This is a bit of a playstyle departure I'm seeing from Brian; it doesn't really read like what little I remember from him in X-men (town) which I'd describe as aggressively analytical but itdefinitelydoesn't read like what I felt was super obvscum in Viscon Crossroads, where he pretty much asked open ended questions / commented on various points without really doing anything the whole game. I'm inclined to slightly townread him for his demeanor so far.
But more important; I'm also inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt until later in the game based on claim anyway. I'd probably be feeling this even if I was scumleaned on him.beefycheese-
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In post 183, Mac wrote:I think he's scum because of the tunnelvision on gif which lacked a real sense of reasoning, I haven't played with gif in a long time but iirc quick reads is kinda how he plays? he has paid very little attention to anyone in the game not named gif and I think his gaiden hop is poor.
also the claiming already is a bit stupid and I don't believe it
I actually sympathize with where you're coming from here, but I just don't think what's going on here is what you think is going on here (I don't want to really delve deep into that because it is utter conjecture on my part, but I don't really think Brian is quite playing the straight-man here)beefycheese-
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In post 174, zMuffinMan wrote:Other thoughts right now,
Liking how bork is playing
He looks kinda town
I am feeling super good about you right now as well due to commensurate opinions about things in your haiku post.
I've also never seen you open like that as scum (whereas Tales of You, well, yeah)
And considering all my experience with you is either
1) us opposite alignments
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2) X-men [which I think we'd both agree was not a bonding experience for either of us]
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In post 46, Cho wrote:We should townbloc this game. I'm good with you right now.
I'm close with you. Not really seeing anything alarming, at least.
Talk to me about your reads.beefycheese-
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I do kind of think that something is weird in the notscience, farside, Mac area.
I am most ok of the three with where Mac has gone since his opening, and I'm seriously not trying to beat a dead horse but I don't really see how notscience claiming masons with me is any more weird as a followup to a naked vote than it would be as a first post, especially considering it wasn't a response to any pressure put on him or anything like that.
It's making me slightly think you're backpedaling in an attempt to explain a scumlean on ns for it away as a mistake.
I can kinda see Mac's trajectory on Brian and that tempers the read.
notscience himself has done literally nothing of substance in 14 posts and I don't like that at all.
I agree with zmuffin's being unimpressed with farside's #168; also weird verbiage regarding notscience who she has dismissed as a troll -- I see not trolling but instead pretty much just languishing. I think the best way to put it is that farside's "I think ns is trolling" feels dismissive [guess we can ignore him] rather than alarmist [why is ns trolling?] or corrective [hey ns: stop trolling] and I don't think it should. It's more minor a point on e-paper than it sounded in my head.
I feel like any attempt for me to make positive/negative connections between the three is going to be super fucking error prone at this point in the game.
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In post 220, Kagami wrote:When people include joke-posts in the middle of a post, it's typically because they're going through the thread and addressing posts as they read them.
195 is not such a post.
I think it actually is, in fact, such a post. posts that she responds to are in chronological order.
Let's pretend that isn't true though: what exactly are you trying to say here?beefycheese-
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In post 208, Mac wrote:And I said the claim was stupid (not alignment indicative, this goes for everyone)
Ok
Mac wrote:and that I didn't believe it which is more in line with alignment.
Why do you not believe this claim in particular?beefycheese-
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I'm not feeling super good about Nacho from this page
1) this is super guttish, but I expected at least a passing shout-out/welcome/acknowledgement to me at game start since we just met up a few weeks ago I RVSed him and I've had substantial game presence and I'm excited to be playing with him and I feel he should reciprocate that.
2) I feel like, even with my limited knowledge of Katsuki, I could find examples of him just going totally off the reservation as town on D1. I'm not saying that makes him town, but I feel like that's pretty null and especially null for him. My first reaction if I wanted to probe Katsuki would be more of a "the hell you on about with SCUMBIRDS?" (in fact, Katsuki, consider that question asked) rather than to say his push (if you can even really call it that) is scummybeefycheese-
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In post 252, notscience wrote:I agree, nacho's posts on this page are scummy as fuck
I'm going to assume this is a jibe at the page turning over rather than an actual agreement and ask why you're not even remotely engaging?
Pedit okbeefycheese-
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Can you read the thread? Fresh perspective right now would be pretty rad.beefycheese-
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In post 256, Nachomamma8 wrote:The main reason I'm pushing him is because of how I expect his role would fit in on a scumteam and that role's interaction with Cho's (who I very strongly believe is telling the truth and is town). I agree that Katsuki sometimes says crazy shit as town, and, as a result, gets away with making pushes as scum that are very obviously scum-motivated. I see scum-motivation behind his push. I see why he would have the role he does as scum. He is my strongest scumread as a result.
Not digging it
VOTE: Nacho
You're basically saying that you're willing to make the most broad of assumptions to fit this read:
1) Cho being totally on the level with a day 1 unsolicited claim (motivation to claim here is ???)
2) Same for Katsuki for the counterclaim
3) Katsuki having/being considerably more likely to be scum if Cho is town with aforementioned role
4) Knowing nothing/very little about what roles are in the game that could temper things in one direction or another
5) Somewhat related -- there are a lot of other doublevoter claims going around. I count 4. That's probably pretty damn important and should make you think twice about whether or not what has been presented is what is indeed going on here.
Also you think Katsuki's plan as scum when he finds an imminent threat in a town PR is to loltunnel him with essentially all bark and no bite and hope town just piles on?
I don't.
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In post 272, Nachomamma8 wrote:Mostly I'm frustrated because instead of critically thinking about how I've been approaching the game so far you're pushing me for an imperfect push in a stage of the game where no one has actually formed anything even remotely solid
and you're pushing me despite the signals that say DO NOT PUSH which already are much much louder than they should be
I will circle back to this when not on mobile. Ok.
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In post 270, Nachomamma8 wrote:The assumptions I'm making is that Cho is telling the truth and Katsuki's role as scum makes sense while both roles existing as town does not.
I guess I take umbrage at basing your biggest push on this and very little to do with anything Katsuki's really done (other than what I consider fluffposting). I don't know what claims are true and what ones aren't (as I said, Ipartiallybelieve Cho's claim) but I feel that this is an incredibly rigid view of the gamestate given how much hypothetical-town-Nacho should actually know at this point, and this is coming from someone who likes to smell test claims for balance in general.
I'm backing off because you asked me to but it still bothers me after a night to think it over.
Show me what you mean when you say Katsuki's done this before.beefycheese-
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And I think that's a reasonable thing to at least have in the back of your mind: that any given D1 claim that isn't made to save oneself from a lynch probably shouldn't be taken at face value, especially if that claim is positive utility
p-edit: Cho's might be legit, but it might make the setup less elegant if it is and that's my reservation about it.beefycheese-
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In post 335, Kagami wrote:
Because I find the interaction around my wagon un-townish enough to be suspicious, while also seeing things that don't look scum-scum. Alignments in that group seem sortable.
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In post 342, Mac wrote:but this differs from that in the sense that kat and nacho are fairly in touch with each others play I think.
They're both calling each other scum. Do you think one is correct?beefycheese-
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In post 308, farside22 wrote:Grapes is town.
Would like correspondence about this; the catchup post did not have this effect on me.beefycheese-
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In post 371, Brian Skies wrote:This stood out to me because I feel Notty's good at sitting on the sidelines with color commentary as scum which he was more than happy to admit in Survivor Mafia. Are you scumreading Notty? Because your use of the word 'languishing' makes me think you're at least leaning that way, but your earlier sentiments towards his mason claim with you and you not addressing him in any way make me think this might not be the case.
Time moving forward with him not doing anything is increasingly making me uncomfortable with him, yes, especially due to the presence other activity on site.
This was his scumgame in crossroads
This was his scumgame in xenosaga
At the time I admonished GIF/Mac for reacting the way they did to his thread entrance (calling what I felt was a pretty obvious joke 'forced or awkward') [Not that I'm rehashing this, just restating how I felt earlier] I had no problem with ns.
When I commented on farside's interaction with him, my emphasis was that I felt she was dismissing him instead of trying to read him, but I know at some point I made an ancillary comment that I felt he was coasting/not being productive.
At this point in time, well,
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I've incidentally been reading laladucks' ISO from it (also trying to find a scumgame of hers to no avail) and am kinda blown away at how different it is.
Lots of potential reasons for that but I don't have any scumreads I feel that great about on active people right now and am looking to sparser posters atm.
I'm also due for a reread.beefycheese-
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In post 387, Kagami wrote:In post 386, zMuffinMan wrote:In post 335, Kagami wrote:Because I find the interaction around my wagon un-townish enough to be suspicious, while also seeing things that don't look scum-scum
i didn't mind grapes's wall of stuff so much - do you have issue/s with it apart from the you read?
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I think the content overall is fine, but I don't think the conclusion matches the content.
Yes.
The two things I most didn't like about grapes' intro post were the Kagami push
a) seems to ignore the fact that Kagami really isn't pushing a case on farside, she's interacting with farside. You can argue that she's maybe making unnecessary noise (I even asked her to get to the point at one point) but I don't see why he'd be so quick to attribute scum motivation to what Kagami is doing in said context.
b) I feel that the [can't wait to see what you think when I place a vote] is pretty obviously construed as [GIF, you are being hyperbolic about or misreading my intent here] and instead grapes is [possibly willfully] interpreting that Kagami is literally afraid to place a vote on a wagon because she's scum.
and the zmuffinman haiku reaction
a) There is a lot of convoluted denouncing of the methods used and hedge here just to arrive essentially at the exact same conclusion that zmuffin did and read zmuffin as town. It reads a bit as if he decided what conclusion he wanted to come to about zmuffin independently of deciding to remark on that post at all.
In post 388, Kagami wrote:Still think BS is town, btw, even as a not-D5-IC
Yes.beefycheese-
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In post 396, Katsuki wrote:In post 386, zMuffinMan wrote:
In post 349, Katsuki wrote:The premise of all his assumptions and subsequent conclusion of me being scum were construed piles of shit, and something that is more typical of NACHOSCUM. I've been pushed by both nachoTOWN and nachoSCUM before as town and I know the differences by now.
how does nacho-town interpret your actions that's different to how he's doing it here?
i don't really see what your big issue with 270 is and i don't really see how that made you think nacho-scum
My big issue with 270 is that this is how Nacho plays as scum, not as town.
I am profoundly interested in the back and forth between you and Nacho so I'll ask you exactly what I asked him: please explain exactly what you mean here.beefycheese-
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Who else do you think is scum?beefycheese-
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In post 430, grapes wrote:t was a tepid read, I'll give you that. That's not hedging, though. Not sure how saying zmuff is leaning town can be interpreted any other way than exactly that.
Hedge was probably the wrong word.
I just figured if you thought zmuffin was town and his reads were good you'd not have felt the need to go on about how you don't like how he got there.
When you say I'm reaching, what do you mean?beefycheese-
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In post 430, grapes wrote:Which is substantiated further by [Kagami's] entire list of 'people she's interested in' (scumreads im assuming) only consisting of those who have suspicion of her.
335 makes it fairly clear that she is not equating her scumreads to the people all voting for her.beefycheese-
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In post 436, SXTLHGaiden wrote:who do you want me to vote?
Sometimes I really like playing with you and sometimes I don't.
Should be p obvious what he wants from you.beefycheese-
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In post 413, lalaladucks wrote:whooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh
Actually if this is an onomatopoeia of me being blown away instead of what I thought it was then nvm its nullbeefycheese-
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In post 560, zMuffinMan wrote:also, what was the whole "masons with bork" thing about in the beginning of the game? because i've been assuming it was a noddy-bork-cho-someone-someone hood and that had something to do with pre-game neighbourhood stuff (though now that i'm thinking about it, that's probably impossible anyway given i just remembered fakegod doesn't open neighbourhoods pregame so whatever)
Nah, it's a joke from a chatmafia game from forever ago where we were masons. I had hoped it was a vehicle for him to engage me early game. And then he didn't.
(ns isn't in my hood, and you're correct in that it wasn't open pregame anyway)beefycheese-
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In post 491, notscience wrote:You did not want me posting here yesterday.
Show me where I even intimated such a thing.beefycheese-
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I like
Cho, zMuffin, Brian
warming up to (this is probably in order of most to least likely to jump up a tier):
You (aka Mac) (you threw me off a little early game but it was a minor thing)
farside (I think I just totally fucked that read up early on she's been pretty solid)
Sakura (gut, maybe claim, nothing that tangible)
Kagami (play is a little mechanical and she's taking a while to make her trajectory all that clear but overall points are pretty salient)
Everyone else is in a holding pattern until I know more (Nacho in specific here) or just hasn't impressed me
You?beefycheese-
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In post 570, Mac wrote:I'm very wary of both. not scumreading them, but I don't trust my ability to read either of them very well
fair enough
In post 573, farside22 wrote:Your better off not putting me in a voting block. I tend to get stubborn unless someone makes a really compelling case.
Right now I'm just thinking.
Not what we mean by bloc here; he was just asking me who I thought was town. I'm not terribly interested in voting blocs in general as it gives scum who were improperly admitted to them an excuse to not be accountable for votes laterbeefycheese-
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In post 480, Cho wrote:In post 476, Muffin wrote:Everyone knows the D1 lynch usually ends up not being the scummiest player but the least charismatic.
Spoiler:
forgot to fucking lol at this earlierbeefycheese