Nightingale's Tale - [Game Over]

[farside22]

Hey kids.

Vote: Bork

Welcome back!

[farside22]

So believable so adorable

Who's this to?

notsci!

Also for srs, nachos town bork is town cho is town Mac is town muffin isn't.

VOTE: muffin
(Not the z guy btw.)

I don't see the town Mac read.
Pretty wah wah to me.
Did sukura change playstyles this game. I don't recall votes without a reason our last game.

[farside22]

And notscience is gone into trollish area.

I'll go with my gut first.

Vote: sukura

[farside22]

Yes she is changing playstyles

Why?

Actually maybe not why, but why a 180 degree turn?

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That's a lame reason to scumread anyone for.

It's early and I like Bork so for.
I mean all you got is this:

So believable so adorable

Who's this to?

notsci!

Also for srs, nachos town bork is town cho is town Mac is town muffin isn't.

VOTE: muffin
(Not the z guy btw.)

Which sound no better then my view of sukura

[farside22]

Also then do you scumread mac?
@farside

Sort of

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@far: actually I have more behind that and I assure you it's gonna be heck of a more lot better than "omg this is my first time seeing her with naked vote SUSPECT"

I look forward to the reason then.

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@far: actually I have more behind that and I assure you it's gonna be heck of a more lot better than "omg this is my first time seeing her with naked vote SUSPECT"

I look forward to the reason then.

You know I was going to ask you a question before I come back home to explain but I got slammed by work so I didn't have time. And I really want you to answer this first so I make sure your answer is not biased.

So, which post of Mac did you find scummy? And how did your scumread on him got trumped by your gut/meta read on sakura?

Well since you denied it

His claim was obv fake because you said you hated your neighbor. So with that in mind, his random "hi I'm mason with bork" looks forced joke to me. But then, forced joke is not alignment indicative.

I mean for realsies what did you think was going on here if not him joking or specifically testing my / others' reactions (i.e the claim not being in earnest, with the caveat that I am not saying it would necessarily have been an effective reaction test)

I think he was joking.
I found it awkward/forced.
I think it's not alignment-indicative.
I thought I made myself clear.

It was the way Mac reacted to the wagon on him that sort of read scummy.
I'm on the phone so grabbing post are harder.
But the best I can explain is he seems pretty blah about it and his probing during the first part just was weak.
Also, slight meta on that.

Yes she is changing playstyles

Why?

Actually maybe not why, but why a 180 degree turn?

Eh... i probs just sux at playing in team with someone else, 3 hydra games where my hydra partner flaked, then an hydra game where my partner was townreading my correct scumread, and now this just add up to a lot of "i'm not going to give a F anymore about what other people think" for the rest of my life.

All in all i don't see it, all I see is, it's pointless for me to even try and explain anything, because 1) I sux at explaining stuff and 2) Even if i somehow manage to explain it, people ignore it anyway.

This was literally in the postgame of the most recent game y'all played together.

look what y'all did to this poor girl

Just an FYI I have ADD so I didn't really read everything posted. I tend to skim thing so I missed that.

I did wonder why people were defending sukura, but I like his vote on brian.

Vote: Mac

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And I'm still happy with my vote currently, feel my head exploding with all the day 5 claims and wonder why the flark people are claiming stuff right now.

Bk: why did you feel you needed to claim?

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Sure I can explain more, but you get the line of quotes with comments bellow.

Reaction to them as players.

I don't understand what this means

I lile them both, but want to wagon one because it'll be fun.

Of the two I choose Mac to be brought to L-1 in the next 3 pages.

I could get on board with this

but I'm choosing not too

I wasn't talking to you, and I wasn't talking about giving approval. in fact, I'm not even opposing it. what is that all about?

claim masons with bork

i think this feels forced

Its a running joke from elsewhere move along.

Also how is it "forced?" Its either demonstrably true or it isn't (hint: it's this one)

the second question is a bit weird if you don't see how a possible scum entrance can look forced?

Quotes and issues I have with each one.
1) scoff's at wagon and approves it, who does that as town?
2) gets defensive
3) calling a claim forced
4) doesn't explain why it reads forced (by the way no it doesn't read forced)

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Rabble rabble Fakegod made me join rabble rabble

Me too. I don't even remember /inning.

I don't think I've ever seen Gif post so much so early like ever. I also don't think I've ever seen Gif-scum. Maybe it's a sign.

VOTE: Gif

this feels like an rvs

is it an rvs?

Just going to add this is a pretty freeking pointless question given what brian said.

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well 1) is clearly not serious, why in the world would I seriously approve a wagon on myself? no wait, not a wagon, an rvs wagon.
2) is not really defensive IMO. sakura said something that made zero sense in context, and I questioned her on it.
3) how is calling a clear fakeclaim forced an issue? it's not the claim I have issue with but the manner in which notsci entered the thread.
4) yes I did, when bork asked. gif also said it was forced; why isn't he a scumtell?

inb4defensive

well it's a pointless question now, but I wasn't caught up at the time. now I see brian is probably scum!

tl;dr - your case sucks

3) makes you scum still avoiding the question
4) defecting to others is another one.

Thank you
5) pointless question I believe you were done when you voted brian and as far as I read with your post no case on bk.

What did you think of the claim?

[farside22]

that should read "not 'notsci' enough" so basically not the way town notscience would enter a thread

Also you implied it not town here.

Gif stated not alignment indictive

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MuffinZ A lot of this is vague
What don't you like?
Why is it bad?

I can see I'm going nowhere with this.

- if I believed the claim, I wouldn't be voting Brian.
- Yes I implied it wasn't town there. But in the very post before that, I also said;

i was mistaken so we can probably move past this

which you seem to not be doing

I get annoyed with people tell me to drop things after I called them scum.

Just a peeve of mine.

I agree almost entirely with zmuffin, which probably means good things.

More strongly on Cho town, less strongly on nati townish, more up in the air on mac and brian.

I think at least one, but probably exactly one, neighborhood is all town.

Oh look the sheeping is incredible and for no reason from Kats with no vote....yah this is not town kats.

Wow so helpful so town

I sense sarcasm with this one.

@Bork: I tend to note things that either (1) iritate me (2) make as a reminder so I keep an eye on it in the future. Trolling....well it depends on a player but for me it's more of an iritatant because I see town and scum do it and find it unhelpful as town and scummy when I see it. I usually attack it but when town does it too lately I just note it for a future reference.
I'm not sure why you agree with muffinz since all he says is the case is bad without explaining jack shit.

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I don't think anyone has presented a strong case so far, even muffin's reason is your case is bad therefore your scum isn't strong case.
I make bad cases all the time.

I may join sukura in no longer making a point anymore since people seem to always hate my cases

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in your big post, did you type "kats" when you meant "kagami"

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I don't think anyone has presented a strong case so far, even muffin's reason is your case is bad therefore your scum isn't strong case.
I make bad cases all the time.

I may join sukura in no longer making a point anymore since people seem to always hate my cases

:shrug:

@kag: I like sarcasm. It's my second lanuage.

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Dunno. Post like those eat up my motivation for playing.

Specifically the second paragraph.
If more people do that it makes this game harder and harder to me needlessly

Sorry for me it is pretty demotivating to be asked why I think someone is scum just to have people scum read me for responding to the question and yet people don't respond when I ask why someone is a scum read to them.

Plus cases are a bit blah right now. I hate the sheeping without responses. I hate vague, I could go on a long list of dislike's that people do that people give to figs about and eat my soul alive when it happens.

Fwiw, my agreement is largely in zmuff's appraisal of players' posting, of which the farside scumread is a minor point. I have some pride in my votes outside of RVS.

The GiF post is completely unrelated to the otherwise coherent 195. You recognize what GiF was saying, right?

I have no clue what you are referring to. I thought he was talking about your post.

I didn't tell you to drop it after you called me scum farside, merely pointed to a post where I said that before you had a go at me.

okay

I probably missed that in my tunnel and outrage moments.

So why is Brian a scum read?


Oh and I forgot that gif asked me who else was defending sukura and that was NS.
yes 2 people defending quickly a soft scum read early was a bit odd for me.

Right now I'm a bit bugged that muffin defends Brian. I do have a peeve with people defend others because I typically see scum hide behind those that defend them.

[farside22]

Vote: kag

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I think he's scum because of the tunnelvision on gif which lacked a real sense of reasoning, I haven't played with gif in a long time but iirc quick reads is kinda how he plays? he has paid very little attention to anyone in the game not named gif and I think his gaiden hop is poor.

also the claiming already is a bit stupid and I don't believe it

@farside, this explains why I think brian is scum

Thanks, sorry I missed that as a response to me. I tend to look for my name more then read everything.

That makes sense, I did wonder why bk claimed when he did. I didn't notice the tunnel he had on gif.

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When people include joke-posts in the middle of a post, it's typically because they're going through the thread and addressing posts as they read them.

195 is not such a post. It's farside addressing a specific point, and two posts directly related to it.

If this is lashing, and if that was a case, I hate to imagine what I'll be doing when I actually place a vote.

I was addressing things in order as I read them.
My last post in 195 was directect to Bork's post here
How do you get that it's not in order of things I'm reading along the way?

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When people include joke-posts in the middle of a post, it's typically because they're going through the thread and addressing posts as they read them.

195 is not such a post.

I think it actually is, in fact, such a post. posts that she responds to are in chronological order.

Let's pretend that isn't true though: what exactly are you trying to say here?

While the responded-to posts are chronological, they are sparsely selected with the theme of farside being scumread by people. 185, for example, was not addressed despite being directed at her.

The inclusion of the GiF post could mean a number of things, it struck me as odd, so I asked about it.

From the adhd thread;

ADD here.
I tend to lose focus reading post and see minor things I noted.
There days I remember something that happened a week ago and bring it up. People always say why didn't you bring it up.
I didn't remember or think of it at the time.
*shrug*

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Okay this is nacho town.

Vote: kats

I liked his points.

Gif: you owed me a reason for why you scum read muffin

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MuffinZ A lot of this is vague
What don't you like?
Why is it bad?

if you mean what i didn't like about your entrance, it's mostly the things you chose to comment on. for example, one thing that felt awkward about it was why you chose that specific post to quote - you quoted someone giving a bunch of reads and only commented on one. did you agree with the rest of the reads, or why did you specifically comment on the mac read? why didn't you address any mac posts directly? why did you vote sakura?

if you mean what i didn't like about your reasoning for voting mac, it's mostly the lack of motivation analysis. the things you picked at aren't really scummy, even taking into account it's early times (aaand that second point doesn't even accurately describe the post you quoted soooo). like, why can't town scoff at a wagon? why is "defensiveness" scummy? how exactly do you address accusations without being defensive? why is calling something forced scummy?

If I didn't agree with the rest of the reads I would have said as much. As it was mac was the only one I disagreed with.
I already explained my sukura issue. I'm not sure what else think is going to be said on this.
As for only commenting to gif, he was addressing me and the rest of what I read was really nothing special in my eyes.

As for your oppinion about what is scummy and what isn't.
I see typically a lot of town react to votes vs scum that non react or scoff at things.
As for defensiveness I just thought the reaction was weirdish coming from what sukura said, which read as tongue and cheek comment to me.
There was nothing forced in my view about NS comment. That was why I asked what made it read forced. I kept seeing Mac avoid responding the question, which made me think he was faking a read.

Right now I'm a bit bugged that muffin defends Brian. I do have a peeve with people defend others because I typically see scum hide behind those that defend them.

why does it bug you? i'm defending him insofar as i think he's more likely town than scum and i'm saying so, but i don't particularly think i'm hindering any conversations taking place or preventing people forming a read there.

Are you reading my post at all?
I said why it bugs me and yet your asking me why it bugs me.
Also in my view when people step in with a player being accused you don't think that BK will say anything if he is scum having someone who will continue to step in for him over and over?
Just asking.

While I'm asking questions: What do you think of Kag being weirded out that I didn't have my post in order but said nothing about your long read that had a post out of order?

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...
While I'm asking questions: What do you think of Kag being weirded out that I didn't have my post in order but said nothing about your long read that had a post out of order?

Is there more that's suspicious about me worth asking?

Why does it bother you that I asked?
You made a point about my long post saying it was off, ectra and I wondered why muffin was exept if it's something that really bothers you as much as you claimed.

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Grapes is town.
Just an FYI I get names mixed up generally.
Also when I mixed you and glass last game neither was scum but I did once butcher my scum buddies name on purpose just because I thought people wouldn't associate us together.

Fun and good times.

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I'm asking you to ask more, is that something that reflects my being bothered by your initial question?

Is there more that's suspicious about me worth asking?

I'm sorry I can't here you over your one issue you pointed out and nothing else about me.
Please let me know why my one issue bothers you so?

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Kag is going to vote now claiming I'm dodging while I just look at her and go, so what

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...
While I'm asking questions: What do you think of Kag being weirded out that I didn't have my post in order but said nothing about your long read that had a post out of order?

Is there more that's suspicious about me worth asking?

Why does it bother you that I asked?
You made a point about my long post saying it was off, ectra and I wondered why muffin was exept if it's something that really bothers you as much as you claimed.

Between 302 and 305, you've realize that I didn't say anything about your post being out of order.

You may not realize that your so called issue with my post was after muffin's post.
One post you liked, one you were like well it doesn't read natural when players bypass things out of order.

One is noted and the other wasn't.
So again
why?

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I swear to God if I read one more why didn't you say anything sooner I will start freekin quoting myself

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When people include joke-posts in the middle of a post, it's typically because they're going through the thread and addressing posts as they read them.

195 is not such a post. It's farside addressing a specific point, and two posts directly related to it.

If this is lashing, and if that was a case, I hate to imagine what I'll be doing when I actually place a vote.

Nobody said anything about posts being out of order.

yup sure you didn't

Oh the issue was I focused on defense then? Or what? Because most of the page I was reading was about me you know.
Or did you miss that in your why did that one quote get missed garbage?

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By the way my first line was sarcastic in case you missed it

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I what to know kag because you keep dodging what exactly your issue was.
When someone comments about your phrasing you changed it. When I ask you just don't reply to the question.
It's either reading along and natural as a player reads or its I missed one quote along the way with that page that bothered you.
After I explained myself you just got quiet about the subject and when I ask about someone else's post out of order you get all uppity about me bringing it up and it shouldn't be something I have a right to ask.

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Do you think the numbers 1, 3, 4, 9, 100 are out of order?

Keep dodging sweetcheeks.

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And Kag still doesn't explain the point.

Fasinating.

@Sukura: Is this like ABR play or is that just my imagination?

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Alright, I'm going to be very very clear here, which I think I've already done, but somehow that is being lost somewhere.

Here is post 195:

Spoiler: post 195

MuffinZ A lot of this is vague
What don't you like?
Why is it bad?

I can see I'm going nowhere with this.

- if I believed the claim, I wouldn't be voting Brian.
- Yes I implied it wasn't town there. But in the very post before that, I also said;

i was mistaken so we can probably move past this

which you seem to not be doing

I get annoyed with people tell me to drop things after I called them scum.

Just a peeve of mine.

I agree almost entirely with zmuffin, which probably means good things.

More strongly on Cho town, less strongly on nati townish, more up in the air on mac and brian.

I think at least one, but probably exactly one, neighborhood is all town.

Oh look the sheeping is incredible and for no reason from Kats with no vote....yah this is not town kats.

Wow so helpful so town

I sense sarcasm with this one.

@Bork: I tend to note things that either (1) iritate me (2) make as a reminder so I keep an eye on it in the future. Trolling....well it depends on a player but for me it's more of an iritatant because I see town and scum do it and find it unhelpful as town and scummy when I see it. I usually attack it but when town does it too lately I just note it for a future reference.
I'm not sure why you agree with muffinz since all he says is the case is bad without explaining jack shit.

This post contains 5 "things"

1. It questions muffin's read, specifically his scumread on you
2. It addresses Mac's statement in some dialogue where he called your case rubbish and said to drop it
3. It attacks my agreement with muffin
4. It quotes GiF's sarcasm post and says "this must be sarcasm"
5. It addresses bork's agreement with muffin and his vote on you.

All of these things are directly related to you, such your push on mac or pushes on you from muffin, bork and a perceived push from myself. #4 isn't.

Bork says in the post you quoted that it looks like a post by post review of events, and it's not crazy to include a random post. My response was that it isn't really a post by post review, since a lot of posts are skipped in favor of farside-centric ones with the exception of GiF's. I thought that was odd and asked why you included it. That is what happened, are you're free to review my iso if you disagree.

You've also picked up on another thing that happened, which is that GiF interpreted my question as an attack of some sort, and used some pretty attack-y language to describe it. Sakura also apparently found my question distasteful, and now Grapes believes it's poor etiquette and vote-worthy, despite him scumreading you.

Now, what I asked you before was a real question. I've answered yours, so I'd appreciate if you answered mine.

You addressed a specific question at zmuffinman:

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While I'm asking questions: What do you think of Kag being weirded out that I didn't have my post in order but said nothing about your long read that had a post out of order?

Firstly, you must believe this is something worth asking, and you've asked this as someone who is voting me. If you believe I'm scum, then you're asking muffin about a behavior that you find compellingly scummy. I find it very hard to believe that this is the case, thus I asked if there's anything more you should be asking. The answer I would expect is that you've poured over my iso trying to discern my alignment, and found other things that you believe are suspect which are also worth inquiring into.

That isn't the answer, and instead of something concrete, there's just blustering confusion that I find more than a little annoying. So I ask more directly: Does the question you've asked muffin represent much of the reasoning behind your scumread on me?

p-edit: lulz

First your lucky I'm on the computer to do this. It's harder on the phone to pull up stuff then you can imagine.

this is page 6
I see nothing of value on this page. Most of it is fluff and votes flying by here and there.
here is where you see I last left off
From post 174 - my post which is 20 post I replied to what was mostly about me in there because there was something directed to me that I found pretty fluff-tack-u-lar
The only post I really missed in all that was from Guy which I responded to later

To say your post struck me as scummy would be yes.
It came off as thinking you were testing water to see if others would buy it rather then something that was worth a damn.
The only other subject I see in the thread lately was about set up spec, which I find worthless right now.

Finally muffin is not voting you currently.

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I'm seriously going to just lurk and give reads with no reason from here on in.

enjoy

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Ok. That's interesting.

Let's imagine you and I are both town, farside. Who is scum then?

As an aside, setup spec has some relevance given the claims on the table, and I think I have a pretty good idea how the setup ticks. I think FG had THUpick 3 in mind while designing it.

Kats reads a bit scummy. The trollish behavior seems off to me about her.
Bk claim and post rubbed me wrong, can't recall what off hand.
I go back and forth with Bork read. One moment I like the guy and think he's got good thought, then he post really weird and non scummy things to declare a scum read. Those following him bothered me more and his unvote on nacho was good.
Right now not a whole lot of scum reads. More town and null reads at this time.

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Nothing wrong with town reads, who do you think are town?

town: nacho, gif, cho, lala, sukura, mac, grapes

I'm at Nacho, muffin, BS, Cho, and Gaiden for town. I think Bork is probably also town.

People of interest to me are sakura, yourself, GiF, and grapes.

I would very much like to see more Nati.

Why is gif, sakura and grapes people of interest?

I think Nati, BS and non zz muffin need to post more

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Why is [myself,] gif, sakura and grapes people of interest?

Because I find the interaction around my wagon un-townish enough to be suspicious, while also seeing things that don't look scum-scum. Alignments in that group seem sortable.

Ah so just omgus.
Got it.

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I also feel that scum farside

probably

wouldn't have posted 326.

I dunno I somewhat like her reaction to pressure in general this game even if sometimes the arguments get a little messy.

I should probably sig that because it's how I amina nutshell.

@Mac: Agree; I'm guessing scum probably hopped on Nacho after my vote between (Katsuki, regular-Muffin, lala)

I have no real way to qualify that statement any further at this point; it's probably something to come back to later.

I lean kats and muffin over lala

Grapes is town.

Would like correspondence about this; the catchup post did not have this effect on me.

I liked the post. It was thought out and in my view scum would just pile onto my wagon with that read and continue. But didn't.
Yes I know im self absorbed I some ways. It's a flaw I sometimes forget about.

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If I didn't agree with the rest of the reads I would have said as much. As it was mac was the only one I disagreed with.
I already explained my sukura issue. I'm not sure what else think is going to be said on this.
As for only commenting to gif, he was addressing me and the rest of what I read was really nothing special in my eyes.

ok. if you agreed with the rest of gif's reads, why are/were you questioning gif about his fake-muffin read? and if you agreed with the rest of his reads, why did you specifically mention bork and only bork in 63?

also was a bit unclear; i wasn't asking for an explanation of the sakura vote per se (though i think "playstyle change" is pretty turd reasoning ftr), it was more about why you were voting sakura over mac at that point. you specifically took issue with the mac read in the first post; the direction your second post headed in didn't make a lot of sense to me given your first post

Also in my view when people step in with a player being accused you don't think that BK will say anything if he is scum having someone who will continue to step in for him over and over?

how is me expressing a town read on brian preventing anyone from interacting with brian any more than, say, you expressing a town read on any random player is preventing them from interacting with said player?

if anything, he has more to answer to now because, for example, mac needed to go into more detail about his read?

What do you think of Kag being weirded out that I didn't have my post in order but said nothing about your long read that had a post out of order?

i don't really think the issue was just that it was out of order

1)I didn't get the muffin scum read at all, hence the question to him.
I don't think this is really that difficult to understand.
2) as for why sukura over Mac. Idk I had one vote and picked one to put it on. Does it matter?
3) you keep disagreeing when anyone says anything negative about bk, would you like quotes on this? So what stops bk for responding or using you as his crutch? Why don't you let him come in and say his own peace?
Why is that an issue for you?
4) so what was kag's issue then?

@kats: you've done nothing town that I see this far.

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I feel really disenchanted with nat

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Nacho treating my claim as if it's 100% guaranteed true is kind of... lol.

VOTE: Nacho

Normally I'd be squicked by the wagon speed, but I just tried that tactic to qualify my reads as scum, so I'll force myself not to be.

I thought he wasn't the only one to think that.
Why is that scummy? Not really anyone said they doubted the claim?

I got to choose which day to be confirmed. The other Day 5 softclaims/hardclaims are just coincidence as far as I'm concerned. Have at that what you will.

Why did you chose day 5.
Also I call you bk on purpose. Bs is something I say often.

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@kats: you've done nothing town that I see this far.

This is a complete cop out answer, nothing town =/= scummy.

You stated that my play is scummy, so I'll ask again, what is scummy about it?

I don't care.
Your not exactly explaining your scum read on anyone and I'm tired of people bitching about my points.

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I only have one vote.

Actually, i forgot you had stated a scumread on Katsuki and Gaiden.
Still nice that you're finally being active, care to answer Mac's question that you ignored *again*

Nah. Why should I answer that when you won't answer why gaiden is town?

I'd rather get lynched.

Guess I'll lurk more until D3 or so.

I'd vote you in a heartbeat.

cupcake,

i don't really think you're scum atm and i'm nowhere near 100% on nacho being town but at the very least he's not done anything so far that i couldn't see him doing as town and some of the things he says are things i don't think he'd have said as scum here (e.g. you say 33 was null overall but, while it's not outside the realm of possibility that nacho is doing it with this express purpose in mind, it's completely not what i think nacho-scum would have felt compelled to do in his opening post in this game)

the only thing the slightly bothers me about 270 is the assumptions he makes about the setup there (specifically, why cupcake-cho is a dichotomy) but these aren't like huge stretches of the imagination and, again, i don't really see why nacho-scum thinks taking that angle is worthwhile for a push

that said, if nacho

is

actually scum here, i'd be pretty willing to bet my entire pokemon card collection on farside being scum with him. with the disclaimer that i may or may not have got rid of all my pokemon cards many years ago

I think there is a good likelihood of farside being scum independent of nacho but she is my number 1 scumbuddy suspect, so you probably will get good returns on that bet.

I am not willing to concede my Nacho scumread right now though, and if you're seeing the farside buddy interactions then we should lynch Nacho today, then follow it up with Farside tomorrow.

and no those assumptions he made in 270 are terribad and you should be voting him.

Let me ask one of those questions that just hit me.
Did you learn anything from paradise lost when you did nothing but attack AA over and over again for no fucking reason?
I'm just wondering if your scum here or just incapable of learning anything from past mistakes.


Hi notscience!
How are you?
I'm good.
Your trolling was null to me and really I didn't have a desire to deal with it if it was going to continue. Glad to see a half decent post from you. As for my town read on nacho I was thinking of the last time nacho was scum in a game I was in and his play here is nothing like that.
Yea I know meta and all but it's worth something for now.

[farside22]

I think this is a terrible reason to townread Gaiden for. But that's just me.

I agree with you here. since when having the same roles = town? I think this is scumduck trying to act casual and town by saying "oh yeah, I'm town so Gaiden must be town too." this is also the complete opposite reaction she had when gaiden announced he was a doublevoter from 30 onwards

furthermore, I think I may have been wrong on my brian scumread. that catchup looked good

I disagree but I can't really explain why.
I think some of it is how bothered he is by muffin's lack of response but votes lala.

[farside22]

Till sukura uses his ability then it's best to push your biggest scum suspect.
Am I wrong with my thinking?
Also after last game I would just tell sukura to trust himself. He had good reads the last game....well except Tere but That just overthinking things in my view.

[farside22]

Well let's discuss the lala scum read you had there then.
My next biggest issue was with what you said.
First you talk about notty and his play.

I believe Gaiden is town. His role seems to be the same as mine.

I think this is a terrible reason to townread Gaiden for. But that's just me.

Love it <3

Wanna say notsci town but don't think that's credible

I don't think it's alignment indicative because Notty and I did something similar in the last Alice game, and creating noise and apathy is something he's learned to incorporate into his scum game.

I think Notty will become easier to read with time as I don't think he'll be able to keep up if he's scum. His last wall was passable (but not great), but I wish he commented on players like Muffin (who's been deflecting), Lala (who I have like zero experience with), and me (mostly because he didn't state a read on me )

I'm Cara (nickname). Kat said my lalaladucks name is stupid and I actually agree, but there's no changing it now >~>

Just make an alternate account and ditch this one.

Did you misspell Gif?

For being sheeped onto Gaiden you don't seem very happy.

I'm not really paying attention to my early votes and I don't understand what would give you the impression that I'm unhappy. I also don't think being sheeped and being unhappy about a sheep vote are incompatible things.

Ooooh, that's interesting.

I was intending to unvote Gaiden once he proved his claim anyway but Sakura your comment makes me want to keep it there >_>

Then you'll die at the end of this day phase.

As much as I want to read Lala's immediate snarkiness as town, I don't think anything Lala's done has been particularly town-indicative and I'm wondering if she's just cheeky scum.

I also find Lala's preference in voting Nacho over Notty interesting and possibly indicative of buddies.

What you describe below about lala is basically null. It's not even a case it's an opinion wrapped up into a wall.
The biggest issue and why I quoted the NS comment you made is you acknowledge NS playstyle but put lala and NS as possible scum because of a vote. That seems like a stretch considering your own read and push is on one player over the other currently.

[farside22]

Your better off not putting me in a voting block. I tend to get stubborn unless someone makes a really compelling case.

Right now I'm just thinking.

[farside22]

Just to respond to brian before I forget.
I'm voting my biggest scum read currently. I don't get the comparison.
Also I didn't ask for a case, I stated your comments about lala is just null read.
Zzmuffin I wonder how he can compare him stepping in and disputing reads against brian and someone asking me about my read on nacho is even a comparison.

[farside22]

I'm very wary of both. not scumreading them, but I don't trust my ability to read either of them very well

fair enough

Your better off not putting me in a voting block. I tend to get stubborn unless someone makes a really compelling case.

Right now I'm just thinking.

Not what we mean by bloc here; he was just asking me who I thought was town. I'm not terribly interested in voting blocs in general as it gives scum who were improperly admitted to them an excuse to not be accountable for votes later

Town block:
Mac, Sakura, kag (yes I changed my mind), cho
People that have slipped back: gif

I haven't read past 8-9 pages or so but I do have townreads on

3, you, captain awesome, cho, mac, farside, kagami, BS, nati, and ducks.

Explain the nat town read

[farside22]

i think there is a high chance of ducky flipping scum doublevoter

I really don't know what to think of lala. She reads like someone who really doesn't care who she is voting for.
One side it reads as anti town.
On the other side from what I read if her I imgine scum her to be devious.

[farside22]

Huh, for some reason i thought farside was voting Muffin.

Nope still voting kats here.

You points about lala did make me think I need to reread the spot.

i'm not certain about muffin scum. he's acting very 'dont give a fuck' for someone whose being threatened with a dayvig. not something i'd expect from scum. with that said, i still want my question answered.

I think muffin is being sketchy as fuck.
He wants a response but won't give one.
My bet is because he doesn't have a response and that is why he keeps attacking sukura.

[farside22]

Heck in my mind kats town or scum is a win win for town if all she's going to do is spew the same garbage post after post

[farside22]

Add the word lynch to my post and you will get my point

[farside22]

OH NOT TO MENTION

ASKED FARSIDE MULTIPLE TIMES AS TO HOW "MY PLAY IS SCUMMY"

STILL NO RESPONSE 15 PAGES LATER

ya.

Your doing nothing town.

I said as much.
Not my fault you don't read, or keep acting like you don't read

[farside22]

Here let ask everyone here in the game.
Does anyone reading this post know what kats thinks is scummy about the 2 post she keeps referring to.
Mind you in not telling you to read the post she keeps saying is scummy.
I'm asking do you know why it's scummy.

I think the Nacho wagon is pretty awful and Kats could be doing the same thing he got away with in the last Alice game.

lol have you read any of nachos posts and have you read mine? I don't know how you can draw any comparisons between the two.

This is coming from the same guy who almost got Nacho lynched Day 1 in the last Alice game with a fake daycop guilty. And I guess Bork can consider this a response to his earlier question to Nacho.

Spoiler:

Also you think Katsuki's plan as scum when he finds an imminent threat in a town PR is to loltunnel him with essentially all bark and no bite and hope town just piles on?
I don't.

While I can see why you think 270 might be scummy, after going back through Nacho's preceding posts, I agree with him and would probably lynch you before either of Nacho/Cho (assuming Cho's claim is true). I also get the feeling Cho isn't claiming a day specific quintuple-voter.

The entire difference lies in the fact that I'm pushing Nacho this game for his scummy content and terriba posts of 270 and 272 as oppose to pushing a LOLDAYCOP troll wagon that muffin and I came up with.

[farside22]

I started quoting stuff by kats and after a certain point it's basically a wash, rinse, repeat of the same crap over and over.
Because I'm phone posting I have quotes first and issues second.

My eyes kind of glazed over the last few pages

I think it;s evident that Cho is lying scum bullshitting about her role because SCUMBIRDS

You already claimed IC. I think we're fine with keeping the other roles under wraps for now.

LOL IM SO SORRY THAT YOU DREW SCUM NACHO

Cho is probably some strong power role, Nacho is his buddy. Muffin you wanna get this nacho wagon going again, except this time forreals?

@GIF: Go read the flavor FG posted in the signup thread, that flavor directly correlates with SCUMBIRDS

The assumptions I'm making is that Cho is telling the truth and Katsuki's role as scum makes sense while both roles existing as town does not. If Katsuki is not telling the truth about his role, he's probably scum so I'm not really making assumptions there. I don't care about other doublevoters (why should I?). Yes, katsuki as scum would take this path as scum because he has before.

FUCKING LOL

UNVOTE, VOTE NACHO

not really

i mean, there is probably nothing that brings me more satisfaction in a mafia game than voting nacho, but i don't think anything he's done so far is that bad

also, there's one reason i'm probably not gonna talk about that makes me feel OK about him (but it's also not a super awesome reason to think he's town with what little has actually happened so whatevs)

what do you think about 33? and what do you think about 272?

You should satisfy yourself then.

33 gave me mixed feelings initially and was overall null

I give no fucks about 272 after that shit post that was 270. The premise of all his assumptions and subsequent conclusion of me being scum were construed piles of shit, and something that is more typical of NACHOSCUM. I've been pushed by both nachoTOWN and nachoSCUM before as town and I know the differences by now.

The premise of all his assumptions and subsequent conclusion of me being scum were construed piles of shit, and something that is more typical of NACHOSCUM. I've been pushed by both nachoTOWN and nachoSCUM before as town and I know the differences by now.

how does nacho-town interpret your actions that's different to how he's doing it here?

i don't really see what your big issue with 270 is and i don't really see how that made you think nacho-scum

My big issue with 270 is that this is how Nacho plays as scum, not as town.

1) kats calls at cho's claim as scum and I'm pretty certain after many pages and her saying it again she is serious. My issue was her belief in brian over cho.
2) she calls only nacho out for calling her role out with speculation when overs did the same.
3) all you get is nacho scum and anyone that disagrees is scum.
There is no town thought process, scum hunting, only pushing the same point over and over and yes ignoring everything else that is said in the game is a scumtell.

[farside22]

Any complaints about my case can be inserted here:

[farside22]

You should both vote kats with me then.

Also muffin.
Hi
I forget your here sometimes.
What could people call you that would stick out?
While I'm asking questions.....is there a reason you keep avoiding mac's questions to you?

[farside22]

I'm trying to avoid the OMGUS trap but GIF's ISO really is shitty.

Possibly scum trying to plant false associations with me by parking but "scumhunting" elsewhere.

Can you explain where you are seeing this?
Also since you didn't awnser I'm going to call you muff and the other one zzmuff

[farside22]

I read all the rest of this and I'm still happy with my kats vote

[farside22]

Is Kats really your top pick for scum farside? Don't you see parallels in Katsuki's play between Paradise Lost and this game?

That's why I asked the question I did to her earlier that she avoided.
It was to see if she is faking her read or really feeling that nacho is scum.
She didn't even hesitate or consider her behavior.
That leads me to read he as being fake.
My other scum read is not someone that anyone will agree with me about and since everyone has either ignored or belittled my cases I'm not really feeling the need to express whom it is.

[farside22]

Did you already mention who this other scumread is or is it someone new? If the latter, I'd be very interested if you could voice your opinion.

I haven't mentioned it.

It's a bit con traversal read but sure in for for a penny.

Zzmuffin is my next biggest scum read. His play thus far has to push no scum reads since the wagon on me disapated and just made general observations. It's a pretty stand scum play I've seen a number of times.

[farside22]

Huh, isn't that the same thing he did in Paradise Lost (Except with the difference that he was scumreading me instead).

Who are you are referring to?

[farside22]

Think Sakura is referring to Katsuki. I agree Kat's play seems similar to Paradise Lost.

No I was referring to the awesome bird.

I don't see the similarities.
Didn't zzmuf keep his vote on you?

[farside22]

Also as far as kats I think after what happened there would be some change and growing after that debacle.
Maybe that's me giving too much credit to think people can learn, but there seems to be this focus on nacho when others made the same assumption so I don't see why he is scum over others who thought about the set up spec and believed the claims

[farside22]

Zzmuffin is my next biggest scum read. His play thus far has to push no scum reads since the wagon on me disapated and just made general observations. It's a pretty stand scum play I've seen a number of times.

Actually i just went and checked what you meant, i thought he had kept his vote on you, but i just saw that he's not been voting anyone for a while, that is indeed odd.

It was more then just the lack of vote.
It's the wishy washy and then side obversations he made. Questions he asked are pretty freeking pointless to ask.

Also farside, why didn't you question GIF about the awesome bird when he gave his townreads if he was your next biggest scumread after katsuki?

I haven't said anything to anyone because a few people think he's town.
All I see is one vague post, lots of pointless questions and I thought maybe I'm bias since he did attack me, but when he unvoted and brought up me and nacho v's what he said about brian it really read as fake.
But I just didnt say anything because I've had my fill from this game of arguments already.
And my view of zzmuff I figured would just start another argument.

[farside22]

I'm trying to avoid the OMGUS trap but GIF's ISO really is shitty.

Possibly scum trying to plant false associations with me by parking but "scumhunting" elsewhere.

Can you explain where you are seeing this?
Also since you didn't awnser I'm going to call you muff and the other one zzmuff

Look at his ISO: votes me "for srs" and then doesn't push me at all. Barely mentions me until other people are already attacking me aka the coast is clear and he can blend into the crowd.

I'm going to note this and check it out next.

[farside22]

Hey three of those are related to food.

Food mafia team?

Ooo I need to think of a mini game with food now

[farside22]

It's 2 days.
I'm sure there is scum within the lurkers.
If your asking me to support the wagon, your barking up the wrong tree.
But if push comes to shove I'd lynch someone today. It's not that nacho has done anything exciting to say boo against the wagon, it's the slight supporting that bugs me.

[farside22]

I have a good feeling about lynching Nacho.

There is no good reason not to lynch someone today.

plainmuffin doesn't look like scum.

I agree with you about plainmuffin.

Let's have a fun moment if you don't mind.

Vote: gif

[farside22]

I'm trying to avoid the OMGUS trap but GIF's ISO really is shitty.

Possibly scum trying to plant false associations with me by parking but "scumhunting" elsewhere.

Can you explain where you are seeing this?
Also since you didn't awnser I'm going to call you muff and the other one zzmuff

Look at his ISO: votes me "for srs" and then doesn't push me at all. Barely mentions me until other people are already attacking me aka the coast is clear and he can blend into the crowd.

What did you think of this sukura?

[farside22]

Well in my view with 2 days this should be less about compromise and more about who we think is scum.

Sukura and lala who are your biggest scum reads?

[farside22]

I will be murdering the Prime Minister of Malaysia in the next 24 hours.
As such, my presence in this game will be limited. I deeply regret this fact, although I am fairly excited to kill the Prime Minister of Malaysia.

So, it's been 2 days since he went off to assassinate the PM of Malaysia...
Pretty sure he's active lurking. Why not say anything if he's got nothing to hide?

Yea and considering I saw he was online today I don't disagree with that

[farside22]

Sukura: you may have missed it but plainmuffin is scum reading gif

[farside22]

@nacho: I was aware Mac was talking about the wagon on himself.

How's your reads coming?

[farside22]

Yeah I'm not touching nacho here but his post make me want to vote kats again.

[farside22]

That's pretty weak nacho.

[farside22]

I despise this game currently. My kingdom for a rational soul.
Mac: why is lala a scum read?
Lala: what do you think about those voting you currently?

Hi oversoul,
How are you?
Is this the game you misread me again or are you scum?
Just figure I'd ask ahead of time and not have any harmful words this time

[farside22]

Aquí tiene

vote: that turd scum zzzevilMuffin with the teeth and the stupid reasons

Vote:zzmuffin

[farside22]

Not really liking 983, that's mostly just a wall of IIoA.

Lala lala you did a nice summary but I don't see any reasoning that explains why those people are scum. Yes you summed up things that zmuffin said but you didn't explain why that's less likely to come from town and more likely to come from scum.

For me it's hard to take seriously a player that changes his meta game to game based on his own whim to criticize others play style.

Yes this is in freeking reference to the zzmuffin!

[farside22]

Sugh

[farside22]

VOTE: zMuffin

lalala is town as fuck and has been town as fuck since even before the last page. zMuffy should know better.

Sakura should also know better but nobody wants to wagon that scum so I'll sit here instead.

Hey cho, do you happen to know how well zzmuffin and nacho know each other?
I thought about looking into this.

farside
did you just misspell "sigh"
omg that's so irritating
like why

Idc

[farside22]

Not really liking 983, that's mostly just a wall of IIoA.

Lala lala you did a nice summary but I don't see any reasoning that explains why those people are scum. Yes you summed up things that zmuffin said but you didn't explain why that's less likely to come from town and more likely to come from scum.

For me it's hard to take seriously a player that changes his meta game to game based on his own whim to criticize others play style.

Yes this is in freeking reference to the zzmuffin!

[farside22]

also, blah blah flying turds

Also blah blah flying turds

Hey their posts even match up now! Scumtwinsies.

I have a crazy tin foil hat theory but not about those two

[farside22]

Here is a meta reference about duck and differs.
I am saying bluntly that you change from game to fucking game how you react so why is sucks ducking play scummy!?!?!?!

lalala is town as fuck and has been town as fuck since even before the last page. zMuffy should know better.

yeah, no

you were in paradise lost

do you remember how she reacted to pressure there? do you remember her ever doing anything like she's doing here?

i sincerely fucking doubt she's town. it looks more like she's trying to do something akin to what sakura did earlier this game to alleviate the pressure

she shouldn't have this much fucking trouble explaining simple things in a mafia game. i do not for one second believe she's been doing the things she's done this game for no reason, and that she cannot even explain a scum read

[farside22]

I despise this game currently. My kingdom for a rational soul.
Mac: why is lala a scum read?
Lala: what do you think about those voting you currently?

Hi oversoul,
How are you?
Is this the game you misread me again or are you scum?
Just figure I'd ask ahead of time and not have any harmful words this time

I'm good Farside! How are you? You look/sound a little stressed.
Hmmm
After I made that post I thought to myself "I think I always scumread Farside... Can't remember"
I will say this post is fairly town. I thought your early case was grasping at straws a little too early. Like you over extended yourself in going after a player and needed to justify the push after the fact.

I'm here reading up

I'm pretty sure you have scum read me more often then not.
I still think your sore yo got tricked by me as scum but gif did leave a dirty taste in my mouth so....I want you to be town.
I'd like the guy from Harry potter mafia this game please.

[farside22]

I am saying bluntly that you change from game to fucking game

i know that's what you're saying. i don't understand why you think that (or, i suppose, why that's relevant when the actual argument isn't as simple as "she's playing different")

also,

do you happen to know how well zzmuffin and nacho know each other?

i would guess that there are no two other people in this game who have as intimate knowledge of each other's playstyle in this game as nacho and i. i think we've played close to 20 games together and have discussed a lot of playstyle-related things

whether or not that leads to correct reads aside, i don't actually think there's anyone i've played with as much (even nati and i haven't played together as much, i think)

It's so fucking obviously the same "I'm going to change my playstyle after the shit that happened last game with nobody listening to me", except unlike Sakura she's not flaunting it as a way to handwave away scumreads on her or just pulling the same stupid shit again anyway either.

how in the fuck can you look at lala's play and sakura's play this game and compare the two? like ignoring the finer points, sakura is

actually doing stuff

it's not even for similar fucking reason - there is literally no reason for lala to be playing like this if she's town

You want to point to me what your case on lala is that isn't meta related?

[farside22]

Even if it's meta related or not...

So ducky, why wouldn't a town zmuffin notice that your play in *this game* is different than your play in Paradise Lost and your alignment there was *town* so he associates the difference in play and reservation to you having a different alignment?

@farside: why dont you answer this question too.

Because it's easy to do.
Do you want to see when I did it as scum before too?
This is not a joke.

do you mean apart from stuff like the fact that she either cannot or will not explain things? and apart from the fact that she claims she voted nacho then unvoted for gaiden then revoted nacho for absolutely no reason?

it's a desolate fucking ISO

what sort of case are you expecting when there isn't anything there, and when you ask her about things, she doesn't answer?

like it's not even refusal to answer in a town way, it's just refusal to answer because she apparently can't for magical reasons that she's unable to talk about

I'm trying hard not to laugh here.
Let's see scum dodge question, yea I've seen it before and in this game too. Plainmuffin dodged a question repeatedly but where were you when that happened.
Trollish voting with no reason, let's look to nats or notscience for doing fucking shit all with reads this game.
Wait no your not barking at them at all.
Apparently just ducky seems to get this focus from you.

I wonder why I think your scum.
Oh that's right because you bark at only certain players which tells me your scum read reasoning is fake.

[farside22]

lalala

you strike me as a happy player. why are you getting so aggressive?

I see it more as frustration.

[farside22]

lalala

you strike me as a happy player. why are you getting so aggressive?

I see it more as frustration.

Rather more like scum flailing, it looks to me more like she's going Insane and doesn't now anymore what she's saying considering the inconsistency in half of those posts.

Shrug

You got your oppinion.
You have yours and I have mine.

[farside22]

*places money in table*

[farside22]

Oversoul comes in with a big reads list and votes two stated town reads....

+ town

Oversoul comes in with a big reads list and votes two stated town reads....

And here's the guy that isn't reading the thread and so is missing all the context.
I wonder what alignment does that.

[farside22]

I was scumreading Cho up until that momment, i'm not sure he would go as far as to fakeclaim masons with someone as scum, but i still dont think ducky's town... I was having some doubts earlier, but she doesnt seem to be trying to see possible town zmuffinman anywhere. Since zmuffinman's logic makes sense.

Why should she?
No offense but if someone thinks a pkayer is scum they see them as scum.
Why don't you ask zzmuffin what ducks fucking town motivation is?

[farside22]

By the way hi TTH, welcome to the sukura show where he defends zzmuffin to fucking death.

[farside22]

I was scumreading Cho up until that momment, i'm not sure he would go as far as to fakeclaim masons with someone as scum, but i still dont think ducky's town... I was having some doubts earlier, but she doesnt seem to be trying to see possible town zmuffinman anywhere. Since zmuffinman's logic makes sense.

Why should she?
No offense but if someone thinks a pkayer is scum they see them as scum.
Why don't you ask zzmuffin what ducks fucking town motivation is?

That sounds like an easy out for scum to fake scumread someone.

Besides, unlike you [farside], i'm actually trying to asses people's motivations.
Things we've learned:
1) zmuffinman thinks ducky's play here being less tryhard than Paradise Lost = ducks having a different alignment, namely scum.
Makes sense? Yes. Is it true? Yes.
2) ducky herself admited that she's playing less tryhard than Paradise Lost for reasons she explained.
Makes sense? Maybe. Is it true? Yes (Well she admitted to it).
3) ducky refuses to see how 2 implies 1.
Makes Sense? No Is it true? Yes.
4) ducky instead says now that she's scumreading muffin due to gut.
Makes Sense? Yes. Is it true? Maybe.

So fucking what.
I already said looking at meta doesn't make zzmuffin town alone.
Why do you ignore that?

Tell me something person who is far up zzmuffin ass.
If you changed played, why can't duck change her play?
Why is behaving the exact same way a game ago equal town in your view?

All in all im possibly thinking all current 3 leading wagons are on town.

That's because your narrow minded

[farside22]

Maybe I should point out all the pointless question zzmuffin asked to make Sakura get a clue but I feel like it's a brick wall that gives two fucks what is said negatively about zzman

[farside22]

If you changed played, why can't duck change her play?

To something worse? I mean even Oversoul agreed that she's doing worse here than there.
But as I said, she promised she'd do better D2, so im currently waiting on notscience's TTH/Cho case/thing/whatever and see if it's convincing, because i highly doubt starting something new at deadline will go anywhere if it's not... specially if the target's scum since scum will move hell and earth to prevent it from happening.

Funny story.
I played with zzmuf here one game
Very obvious town read in my book but the very next game here I was a hydra I was hella suspicious of the guy for such unspectacular play and being a complete jerk on top of it.
We were both town in both games.
Point being a change that zzmuff brings in is crap. He fucking changes with the wind, which is why I find him scmy this game because he's trying hard as fuck to emulate his paradise lost game.

End of rant

[farside22]

Maybe I should point out all the pointless question zzmuffin asked to make Sakura get a clue but I feel like it's a brick wall that gives two fucks what is said negatively about zzman

Misconceptions prevent you from bothering to do work? really?

Tell me something you have undermined so far from what I said about zzman?

No seriously.

[farside22]

Tell me something you have undermined so far from what I said about zzman?

No seriously.

Back when you said about the fact that he had no scumreads and was just commenting on stuff remember? the fact that he unvoted and kept his vote nowhere, i was agreeing with you there about zmuffinman, what makes you think just because i think his motivations for pushing lala make sense and ergo he's probs town i won't listen to you pointing out his "pointless questions", besides, he's looking forward to that too, so that's even more motivation for you to actually go and do it?

Well I tried getting quotes on my phone and for some reason everything got messed up.
Just going to have to wait till morning when I can get on the computer.
I can summorized a few that were pointless or direct link them.....

Actually

post 286
The first question he asked me here was pretty freeking pointless. Then below the whole thing about defending and coming to Brian's defernce is really just bizarre and pointless.
post 360first follow up again a very pointless question based on what I said. Also if you read zzmuff ISO he did more then call bk town.

386 very underwhelming questions from zzman to be asking at this point. Also if you read this post out of 4 responses I gave only one ses to really matter and that was his issue with me being bugged by his defense of brian.

post 415 is scummy as get out. He defends nacho and reads him
As mainly town but underneath feels the need to add I'm scum if nacho is. How the hades do you go from well I think this guy is town, if not the that person is scum with them. It's pretty classic scum move to put one player with a scum buddy to make it easy for a mislynch doen the road.

post 570Q questions zzmuff asked of NS but has yet to chase him down for a response.

Why does nati get to coast this game? Should I be looking at her play to see if this is normal?

[farside22]

Actually you responded but didn't really anwser one of the question zzmuffin asked

[farside22]

very underwhelming questions from zzman to be asking at this point. Also if you read this post out of 4 responses I gave only one ses to really matter and that was his issue with me being bugged by his defense of brian.

hmm, the first one yes, the 2nd one seems like he's looking for people's motivations by asking in pretty much the same way i'm asking ducky tho... Not gonna comment about your opinion on questions directed at you because that's kinda biased on your side since it's you regardless of alignment.
Will comment on the next link soonish.

Trust me those are underwhelming for muffin

[farside22]

Actually you responded but didn't really anwser one of the question zzmuffin asked

This was to NS by the way

[farside22]

@ns: here you said you'd get back to him

[farside22]

is scummy as get out. He defends nacho and reads him
As mainly town but underneath feels the need to add I'm scum if nacho is. How the hades do you go from well I think this guy is town, if not the that person is scum with them. It's pretty classic scum move to put one player with a scum buddy to make it easy for a mislynch doen the road.

Huh, while im reading this post many times over i just can't figure out where the heck he pulls up that associative with you.

questions zzmuff asked of NS but has yet to chase him down for a response.

Tbf, he IS scumreading notty, and he IS happy lynching him, so it's not like he never chased him down for a response, since... notty was never around to begin with until way later.

Yea but duck he's pushing harder and harder calling it flailing( well not that word exactly but you get the picture) it's easy to push someone when there breaking.
Don't you find it odd he says nats a scum read but he wants to wait longer to figure her out?

[farside22]

Why is zzmuffin scum reading NS?

[farside22]

post 286
The first question he asked me here was pretty freeking pointless. Then below the whole thing about defending and coming to Brian's defernce is really just bizarre and pointless.
post 360first follow up again a very pointless question based on what I said. Also if you read zzmuff ISO he did more then call bk town.

386 very underwhelming questions from zzman to be asking at this point. Also if you read this post out of 4 responses I gave only one ses to really matter and that was his issue with me being bugged by his defense of brian.

post 415 is scummy as get out. He defends nacho and reads him
As mainly town but underneath feels the need to add I'm scum if nacho is. How the hades do you go from well I think this guy is town, if not the that person is scum with them. It's pretty classic scum move to put one player with a scum buddy to make it easy for a mislynch doen the road.

post 570Q questions zzmuff asked of NS but has yet to chase him down for a response.

the questions i asked you in 286 were because you picked one read out of many listed and honed in on that for no apparent reason; it clearly wasn't because you agreed with the rest of the reads (because you didn't agree with gif's muffin read apparently) so it wasn't for that reason - the whole entrance looked strange and i couldn't wrap my head around why it was formatted the way it was. same goes for 360

i don't know what your actual issues with 386 are, and describing them as "underwhelming" is pretty shit tbh

your issue with 415 doesn't even make sense unless you think i'm scum with nacho

and noddy addressed the questions i asked in 570, actually (though he brushed off one with a "will check out later" answer)

The question was pointless because it's fucking obvious I was disagreeing about Mac and that was multiple only issue at the time.
Your not that fucking dumb to think otherwise.
Hey newsflash guess what I think you are and with who?
Man that feels good to say.
Well apparently your question to NS didnt mater did it.

[farside22]

@the lying zzmuffin scum bag: Just a point of order because you keep bringing up my town read if nacho.
I didn't defend or say anything about him
Till he posted his response.

Okay this is nacho town.

Vote: kats

I liked his points.

Gif: you owed me a reason for why you scum read muffin

You jumped in before brian responded to the fucking pressure.
So acting like its the same fucking think is a bs lie.

[farside22]

farside I want thoughts on cho at your earliest convenience

pedit-

SAKURA

STAY STRONG

I had cho as town.
I'm waiting for TTH to come in and get her views.
If she's town it will be obvious from the start.

TTH: your presence is to be here please.

[farside22]

The question was pointless because it's fucking obvious I was disagreeing about Mac and that was multiple only issue at the time.
Your not that fucking dumb to think otherwise.
Hey newsflash guess what I think you are and with who?
Man that feels good to say.
Well apparently your question to NS didnt mater did it.

are you actually fucking retarded?

you fucking picked ONE of gif's reads out of like 5 and said you disagreed with it. this was a fucking strange thing to do unless you agreed with the others. you didn't agree with the others. you've stated as much. my early questioning was simply trying to establish why you picked GIF out of that lineup if there were others you disagreed with, and then why you went on to not follow up on that with a vote, instead opting to vote sakura for nothing more than a playstyle change issue

and you're not fucking reading my posts if you think i didn't follow up on the noddy thing. READ THE FUCKING GAME. i ASKED noddy whether his reads were still the same when he popped into the thread after being absent for some time. you can FIND THIS IN MY FUCKING ISO. don't pretend i'm asking pointless questions and not following up if you're not even fucking reading my posts

also, i take it this means you're currently scum-reading nacho. why?

Wtf are you talking about. Gif was the first player to give fucking reads.
I disagreed about Mac. I asked him about his read on plainmuffin came from.
Did I post it together, probably not.
Idk I get interupted when I'm posting from work or home most times.

[farside22]

I didn't defend or say anything about him
Till he posted his response.

Okay this is nacho town.

Vote: kats

I liked his points.

Gif: you owed me a reason for why you scum read muffin

You jumped in before brian responded to the fucking pressure.
So acting like its the same fucking think is a bs lie.

er..........................

what actually happened in the world that isn't imaginary is nacho posted a series of posts (ending with 272), people started calling him scum for it, and then you jumped in with 284

what is the difference between that and what i did? except that i actually asked questions and went into a bit of detail. is this all that bugged you?

like your issue with me stating a town read on brian and then defending it made (makes) no sense - because nothing i was doing was preventing anyone from interacting with brian in the same way nothing you did was preventing anyone from interacting with nacho

so i don't know why it bugged you

Is brian here right now?
No
Did I up inand give a reason for nacho to use?
No
Did nacho still post after the votes.
Yup
Did brian post with pressure on him
Nope

Wow like magic there is a difference.
Holy shit batman

[farside22]

I asked him about his read on plainmuffin came from.

no you didn't. not until much later. which is why i had the fucking issue with you picking one read out of many in the first place

Oooooo 7 minutes later apparently that's too much time there.

[farside22]

Both of them are doing it, and it's rather boring

Also I want to talk to brian.

pedit-

read through it faster

I'm waiting for TTH. I told you my thoughts on cho

[farside22]

And farside keeps dodging the question...

No offense but go fuck yourself

I gave you points which you comb through and then hop on the cho wagon without a fucking care.
I'm fucking done talking to you

[farside22]

NS and lala, you can talk to me, what am I missing here.
I was fighting with zzmuff and lost my mind around a certain point.
And it's 11:30 at night and I should be sleeping

[farside22]

Also, I'm

sure

you're being

totally

honest about your vote on me having

nothing

to do with my scum read on you.

0/10 for sincerity.

Okay TTH since when have you been trollish?

[farside22]

prickturd gfy

Gfy?

[farside22]

Yeah, this is scum caught for something thats not their fault

Book 'em, jim

You're really bad.

You're really scum trying to throw shit and se what sticks.

NS and lala, you can talk to me, what am I missing here.
I was fighting with zzmuff and lost my mind around a certain point.
And it's 11:30 at night and I should be sleeping

I just don't really see what was so /town/ about cho's ISO.

And TTH is giving me a lot of "caught for someone elses fault" feels

Cho felt very carefree this game and I liked her defense of lala. I agreed with a lot of what she said there and the burst of anger and replacement felt town.
Admittedly TTH is being a bum currently.

Also, I'm

sure

you're being

totally

honest about your vote on me having

nothing

to do with my scum read on you.
0/10 for sincerity.

Okay TTH since when have you been trollish?

Since I've come off the tail end of a bottle of wine, a really shitty movie, and having to deal with Antihero all day.

Didn't you marry the guy?
On a serious note I'd like to see your thought about players in the game.

[farside22]

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When you go down this path you're already tunneling or being confbiased. There's no more helping you there.

[farside22]

Her defense of lala didn't consist of explaining why lala was town

It consisted of explaining why the stances being used to push lala werent alignment indicative.

But if she was adamantly townreading lala all game wouldnt she have some reasons why lala is town?

Like cho claimed masons with lala

But cant give reasons why lala is such a strong townread?

Doesn't that read as weird, especially given how that is like the biggest fraction of her iso?

Idk about cho but I'm terrible at explaining town reads to people.
I mean I'm obviously town reading lala and defending her.
I find the case mostly about her meta and that leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
But weird doesn't equal scum. Plus cho was under pressure in lost and in the waltz game. That person as scum can smooth talk a tiger out of his favorite food.
I don't get the request other then frustration.
Why does it read scummy?

[farside22]

She was saying that she is open to hearing my points about you and agreed with them, which yu are trying to paint as partial omgus (hint: its part of your "throwing shit to see what sticks)

No,

she

said that was OMGUS on my part. I called bullshit. And I'm right.

Yeah, you pre-emptively called me scum just in case his case swayed me.

How far up your ass did you have to reach to pull that out. Please tell me you put on gloves for that.

Woah.

Time out!

TTH I give you only one more time here.
Who are you scum reading and why?

[farside22]

Good morning people.
Hi TTH, I'd like to hear from you today the most.

Anyone awake yet?

[farside22]

Hi TTH again.

I had a weird tinfoil theory last night. You maybe bias so Im going to ask lala, Bork, brian, or NS to be in this thread shortly if possible to give serious thought to my theory.
I maybe bias and reading TTH she would agree with my theory a lot.

[farside22]

alright i'll make this as quick as I can.
I ran to my computer so I can grab links along the way.

Bare with me for a few moments

[farside22]

Ok, Cho can be a townread for now.
Also @GIF: You didn't comment at all on everything that went after i townread Gaiden.
Also im half-leaning scum on farside.

Of course 3 person scum team is numerically balanced with a vote growing scum.
But yeah Cho's probably fake claiming about it, and he's also probably town, so this discussion is moot, other than... the fact that you're clearing him only for his claim.

Unvote
Vote: ducks

K it's about time i come clean about the fact that i really can't kill people, i was just using my claim to reaction test, but i'm atm too hot headed to even care and i don't know how i may react to anything.

Come on, im waiting for your vote, you even have cho's support! that's a bonus!

Meh, i'm gonna start compromising right now because being stubborn about a scumread isn't gonna help matters any.

Unvote
Vote: Nacho

Preferably we can get some info here before Day end to make a more informed lynch, but with how things are going i see that as extremely unlikely.

Sukura and lala who are your biggest scum reads?

It goes in the order of Muffin > Natirasha > notscience > zmuffinman.
While at the same time i have townreads on (ergo not willing to lynch): Cho, Gaiden, lalaladucks.

All three reads take one specific post out of an entire ISO and make it a read, which makes it seem like you're just digging up the bare minimum you need to justify reading someone

Also called a strawman. Man, Nacho's thoughts are aligning with my own, he's prob town.

Unvote
Vote: Muffin

Back here.

if sakura snipes at me one more time my vote is sitting on her until she dies.

I do want to die so that's good for me

Unvote
Vote: notscience

I'm just gonna move my vote here

Vote: ducks

[farside22]

sorry I'm getting quotes together and hit the wrong button, I'm almost done

[farside22]

This is farside22 tinfoil hat theory of crazy town.

This will most likely sound like complete associations and I may end of missing something with the 7 year old yakking at me while I time.

Spoiler:

As some of you are aware I have a scum read on zzmuffman. I started to think nacho was scum with his latest push and push on NS for anyone paying attention at home.
But what really irked me was sukura.
At first I thought the dude was just tunnel.
But then something last night dawned on me and I realized more times then not sukura had followed more people's case.

Here is a few examples of what I mean.

I was scumreading Cho up until that momment, i'm not sure he would go as far as to fakeclaim masons with someone as scum, but i still dont think ducky's town... I was having some doubts earlier, but she doesnt seem to be trying to see possible town zmuffinman anywhere. Since zmuffinman's logic makes sense.

Also yeah i don't think notty's scum after that wall, while he did do that too in PvZ, he dropped it off completely afterwards, until he does the same thing here, he's town, and if he doesn't and im dead or smth, one of you should scrutinize it to hell in further days.

PEdit: Good enough for me.

Vote: TTH

Why I found this really off if you look below there is multiple times that Sukura states a town read on Cho.

To me this reads as kissing NS's ass at this point.

Ok, Cho can be a townread for now.
Also @GIF: You didn't comment at all on everything that went after i townread Gaiden.
Also im half-leaning scum on farside.

Of course 3 person scum team is numerically balanced with a vote growing scum.
But yeah Cho's probably fake claiming about it, and he's also probably town, so this discussion is moot, other than... the fact that you're clearing him only for his claim.

Unvote
Vote: ducks

K it's about time i come clean about the fact that i really can't kill people, i was just using my claim to reaction test, but i'm atm too hot headed to even care and i don't know how i may react to anything.

Come on, im waiting for your vote, you even have cho's support! that's a bonus!

Meh, i'm gonna start compromising right now because being stubborn about a scumread isn't gonna help matters any.

Unvote
Vote: Nacho

Preferably we can get some info here before Day end to make a more informed lynch, but with how things are going i see that as extremely unlikely.

Sukura and lala who are your biggest scum reads?

It goes in the order of Muffin > Natirasha > notscience > zmuffinman.
While at the same time i have townreads on (ergo not willing to lynch): Cho, Gaiden, lalaladucks.

All three reads take one specific post out of an entire ISO and make it a read, which makes it seem like you're just digging up the bare minimum you need to justify reading someone

Also called a strawman. Man, Nacho's thoughts are aligning with my own, he's prob town.

Unvote
Vote: Muffin

Back here.

if sakura snipes at me one more time my vote is sitting on her until she dies.

I do want to die so that's good for me

Unvote
Vote: notscience

I'm just gonna move my vote here

Vote: ducks

Most of the votes he has cast has been pretty much just pushing the weak. I brought up multiple points about zzmuffin that he just cast aside like they were nothing and going through them one by one.
Why did zzmuffin get special treatment above the others he voted for when it comes to going through a case?

I put a large chuck of this in spoilers because it's long.
But the point is he has pushed on weak reason and rammed the fuck of zzmuffin town repeatedly like anyone that disagree's is not being reasonable.
It's the one case he basically pushed aside and analysed above anyone others case.

In short the players I see as scum together is:

sukura, zzmuffin, nacho and oversoul.

oversoul total got passed by both sukura and zzmuffin for voting for zzmuffin even though he claimed it was a town read and they acted like it was no big deal. zzmuffin never even attacked the vote from oversoul but attacked others who voted him like me and lala.

That my friend is what we call associative.

Thank you for your time.

farside

[farside22]

TTH, do you realize how close it is to deadline? That I think help explains my votes. Anyway, I'm not gonna vote Sakura, Duckling, or Notscience. I don't really want to vote you either. I think Notscience's case against is trumped up and I don't understand how it got such a large amount of support.

I lol'ed at the sudden change of heart to vote sukura.
last I checked you where not only following the guy but calling him town.

Man you suck as scum.

I still <3 u

[farside22]

Why I found this really off if you look below there is multiple times that Sukura states a town read on Cho.

You missed the part where I called Cho's jump into defense of lala a chainsaw, why would you miss such an important piece i wonder. Oh right! you're either being biased because i dont want to lynch your scumread, or you're scum with TTH. But i don't have the energy to figure out which of the 2 that is atm.

Oh no one fucking reason out of a ton of stuff you called town.

[farside22]

Why I found this really off if you look below there is multiple times that Sukura states a town read on Cho.

You missed the part where I called Cho's jump into defense of lala a chainsaw, why would you miss such an important piece i wonder. Oh right! you're either being biased because i dont want to lynch your scumread, or you're scum with TTH. But i don't have the energy to figure out which of the 2 that is atm.

flailing time!!

[farside22]

Sorry I missed it said not in oversoul's comment.
My bad

Why I found this really off if you look below there is multiple times that Sukura states a town read on Cho.

You missed the part where I called Cho's jump into defense of lala a chainsaw, why would you miss such an important piece i wonder. Oh right! you're either being biased because i dont want to lynch your scumread, or you're scum with TTH. But i don't have the energy to figure out which of the 2 that is atm.

Oh no one fucking reason out of a ton of stuff you called town.

Yes, and it's that one fucking reason also why I saw it as odd, and agreed with notscience's case, but since you're obviously reading everything im saying do tell me where my reads stand at?

whatever you fight like crazy over zzmuffin when I push his scumminess and you ignore it.
I show you where plainmuffin says about gif, you ignore it, but magically one post and you have a hard on for TTH.

;pfft you so fucking scum.

[farside22]

Oh and lets call OMGUS where it counts.

Someone just called me scum for making a case.

oh no's!

[farside22]

VOTE: Oversoul
Red rover, red rover send farside over.

Vote: oversoul

Did you read my longer post? What did you think if you did?

[farside22]

TTH: I really want to scratch someone's eyes out.
Are you sure about this?

[farside22]

VOTE: Oversoul
Red rover, red rover send farside over.

Vote: oversoul

Did you read my longer post? What did you think if you did?

Usually, attempts to call the whole scumteam in one swoop are ill-fated. zMuffinMan is one of the players I would need to see more flips before making a good read. Same for nacho, though I will say that in his case I'm inclined to think he's slightly more likely scum than not, the pushes he's made this game aren't stellar. The only thing that would throw a monkey wrench in the nacho read would be a Katsuki scumflip, which isn't out of the question to me.

It's not a bad theory, but don't get your hopes up.

TTH: I really want to scratch someone's eyes out.
Are you sure about this?

No, but it's a lot better than the current wagons. Have any other suggestions?

I just wanted to bounce it off someone.
It's hard to take anything Sakura says without looking at how quickly he jumped on cho after the town read.
Plus his whole push on lala about why she can't see zzmuffin as town.

I'll stick with oversoul because the reads he had were wishy on zzmuffin and nacho talking about lack of trust.

TBf a small part wants to lynch nacho like a mad women on steroids.

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Also TTH your better off ignoring sakura's pitty party.

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Fake

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TBf a small part wants to lynch nacho like a mad women on steroids.

I

kind of

see where you're coming from on this, even though I can't quite articulate it myself. Part of me thinks, "these angles are ridiculously strained and fake and nacho's scum" but part of me thinks that they might be real if Katsuki is scum.

Katsuki

did

claim Day 5 doublevoter, which makes me think town from a simple game theory standpoint, though. :S

I can't say I'm town reading kats but nacho was actively lurking and only came out when he was called out for being on ms.
Plus I don't see a really good push he's made.

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You could vote nacho.
I'd lynch him to the ground NS.

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I'm around today.

My opinion on both the nacho and zmuff slots is that a BoP strategy is the correct direction, especially given nacho's claim.

I'm willing to leave ns for nati.

Wait where did nacho claim?

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The discredit is strong with this one. ^

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The discredit is strong with this one. ^

i would guess over half the arguments you've made (not talking about the associative tells, just half the arguments you've made this game) could be shown to be factually inaccurate because you're either not reading the game or you're not paying attention or you're forgetting what people have said when you go off on inane rants about how people have/haven't done certain things when it's not true

#Discrediting

Starts to hum

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that being said

VOTE: oversoul

something somethign survivalism something

About time.

HEY MELACHONYMATHEMATICS
IM SORRY BUT I CANT FOLLOW YOU ONTO THAT WAGON

HAI OOBA

I STILL THINK THAT AT LEAST TWO OUT OF THE SET OF {NACHO, ZMUFF, FARSIDE} ARE SCUM BUT I CANT FIGURE OUT WHO RIGHT NOW. I PROBABLY want to nuke farside first and go from there, and figure out nacho and zmuff later.

This shows you aren't reading.
Good to know.

Well

We can lynch scumcho

He's not scum.

^I also find it more likely Oversoul's posts are more likely to be coming from a town mindset than as scum mindset, so there's that as well.

No.

sukura, zzmuffin, nacho and oversoul.

I don't see it. I feel like there's a lot of context missing when you only include her votes and I don't see how consistently voting the people she thinks are scummy makes her and these two more likely to be scum together. I also feel like Oversoul's being included for pretty arbitrary reasons and I don't see why he's more likely to be a scummate than other players in this playerlist.

Sukura never said he had a fucking scum read on cho until NS present a weak case.
Seriously.

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HEY MELACHONYMATHEMATICS
IM SORRY BUT I CANT FOLLOW YOU ONTO THAT WAGON

HAI OOBA

I STILL THINK THAT AT LEAST TWO OUT OF THE SET OF {NACHO, ZMUFF, FARSIDE} ARE SCUM BUT I CANT FIGURE OUT WHO RIGHT NOW. I PROBABLY want to nuke farside first and go from there, and figure out nacho and zmuff later.

You look more and more town to me the longer this game goes on.

Cho or Farside. You pick one and I'll unconditionally sheep you.

Well your officially off my x-mad list.
Apparently anyone trying to figure the game out is scum.

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Katsuki, Brian:

Can either of u articulate why farside is scum?

I can't see it.

Because I'm town.

My ability will be known at the end of this

day

night

phase, why bother hiding it. I mean sure, i could just not vote anyone or be on the lynch wagon and hide from it, but it's more fun this way.

Correcting

Also I really like the following people at the current time: (as in town)
- Brian
- Nacho
- Nat < For lack of caring
- Farside

Gaiden looks town from previously experience but don't hold me to that.

You need to explain the nacho town read.

Katsuki, Brian:

Can either of u articulate why farside is scum?

I can't see it.

Because I haven't agreed with any of her pushes on account of me thinking that person was town at the time she's done it. I already mentioned there's a huge clash between our reads this game.

That doesn't mean jack shit and you know that.

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I think Brian's lying about his reason by the by because kats just mentioned two players I said I was scum reading to and he had no issue following her.

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My ability will be known at the end of this

day

night

phase, why bother hiding it. I mean sure, i could just not vote anyone or be on the lynch wagon and hide from it, but it's more fun this way.

Correcting

Also I really like the following people at the current time: (as in town)
- Brian
- Nacho
- Nat < For lack of caring
- Farside

Gaiden looks town from previously experience but don't hold me to that.

You need to explain the nacho town read.

Its vibe.

Buy why do you want an explanation on a town read you share?

Well

We can lynch scumcho

He's not scum.

Ah you need to keep reading then.


Lala: vote for oversoul. Your going to have to trust me when I say this is not his town game.
He's the type to fight his own battles when he people call him scum.

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I appreciate Mac'so post it makes me think about things I may missed in my tunnel.

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Lala: tell me your thoughts on TTH and what she said.

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I'm thinking I was wrong with my read if lala

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Mac, I believe Sakura voted oversoul after I did. I'm not switching to a wagon that has no one.

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Mac, I believe Sakura voted oversoul after I did. I'm not switching to a wagon that has no one.

point still stands. all three of your oversoul votes came in quick succession; did it not worry you?

I said something to the effect.

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Mac you appear to have a scum read on oversoul and TTH so I'm a bit confused by your vote there.
Like why one over the other?
You know lurk who isn't explaining shit and gliding by tend to be scum more often right?

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Mac you appear to have a scum read on oversoul and TTH so I'm a bit confused by your vote there.
Like why one over the other?
You know lurk who isn't explaining shit and gliding by tend to be scum more often right?

it doesn't really matter but i feel like tth is more likely to go today. also willing to work with muffin who has a townread on oversoul iirc. i'll cross that bridge on day two.

i'm not sure what the last sentence means?

oversoul hasn't responded to any case brought up and he's lurking.

zzmuffin reads to want to undermind me because he can or he's scum.

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ftr: I have a null read on Nat because she's doing nothing and could care less if she was lynched.

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Note nacho avoiding game notes players town reading the player.

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Yea seeing him post elsewhere on days he is online and not posting here looks super town.
Wtf was I thinking.

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Bettlejuice

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Bettlejuice

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Come on one more time I get to point out you've been around and not posting here and I get bettlejuice visiting

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Oh, so that's what it's about. Lynching inside the farside's "figured it out" team because you've got an axe to grind there.

i don't even understand how you got that from what i said, but no that's not what it's about - i don't care about farside's list and i probably won't ever (except insofar as i think it's plainly absurd and would think so regardless of my name being there); if i thought there was scum there, i would happily

bus

vote there

like, it's not even that i am

trying

to undermine farside; i just have not agreed with any of the arguments she's made this game and a lot of them simply are factually inaccurate - like, not in a "people have differing opinions and one of us might be right but we can't know which yet, tee hee" way... you can literally go through the thread and quote things that contradict the arguments she's made

Who should I vote then Zzmuffin.
I see you sitting in lala so...??

Note nacho avoiding game notes players town reading the player.

are you reading what your posting? before his posts here was a drunkpost here and two prod dodges elsewhere. not avoiding the game

Yea let me count that drunk post there because it reads so believeable.

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well done on missing the point, farside

i don't miss when players hide after being called out

Probably should show a pic because he'll probably change it once he reads this but it says last on Sunday 24th @ 6:21am. I know my hour is off a bit on my side

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well done on missing the point, farside

i don't miss when players hide after being called out

Probably should show a pic because he'll probably change it once he reads this but it says last on Sunday 24th @ 6:21am. I know my hour is off a bit on my side

and yet he's been posting today. so it's clearly wrong

also there are other areas of this site you can visit without playing mafia, so it's absolutely no excuse to scumread someone based on this alone.

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Are you going to address the point, or just roll your eyes?

I'm speaking from experience for what its worth, i tend to browse mish mash or gd when im stuck only on my phone. Especially if im not caught up in a game

Did you bother to look if it works?

TBf I checked after your comment was made and notice the time is off by about 13 hours.

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But it's not just the lurking that has me scum reading nacho.

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Of course he was BSing, that's a fucking ridiculous claim.
I'm a Day 3 Doublevoter.

That's probably FakeGod's theme here. Make everyone a double voter on certain days.

This is what I recall from TTH.
You don't have to listen to me though, According to zzmuff things I read and say are factual inaccurate.

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Vote: nat

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Nati was a day 5 vig.
I'm a bit bothered that a few people said they wanted time to figure her out before lynching her, only to vote her in the end.
I feel like scum would have just gone onto the wagon ultimately.

Os: your talking about scum bussing. What do you think there?

I need to think about a few things and see if I can get out of the tunnel I'm feeling with certain players.

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I need someone from paradise lost to talk to me for a moment to tell me if I'm crazy.

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everyone from that game is crazy

TTH is reminding me of how I played in paradise lost. Is it just me?

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You're using your meta to read me? :\

I'm using what I see. I do that typically believe it or not.
Survivor game I scum read a player because he did something I did when I was scum.
In some games I use meta.
Frankly from the start your behavior is a bit of a surprise. But the push and reasoning you used for ooba was what I have seen before when tying a case but missing that others did the same.
I'm not prize at this obviously, but you know you didn't want to vote nati either come end of the day.
I'm not sure how you can point only to ooba as scum in that case.

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I would be willing to bet the kill was more motivated by Cephrir's inheriting of the slot.

I would be willing to bet the kill was more motivated by Cephrir's inheriting of the slot.

Ehhh what? Bork was universally townread. I'm willing to be that's why the slot was killed

True, but I think it goes deeper than that. In the neighborhood PT, Cephrir said something to the effect that he would be able to quickly and accurately read ooba.

Umm out of curiousity, because I forgot, who else is in that neighborhood with you?

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You're using your meta to read me? :\

I'm using what I see. I do that typically believe it or not.
Survivor game I scum read a player because he did something I did when I was scum.
In some games I use meta.
Frankly from the start your behavior is a bit of a surprise. But the push and reasoning you used for ooba was what I have seen before when tying a case but missing that others did the same.
I'm not prize at this obviously, but you know you didn't want to vote nati either come end of the day.
I'm not sure how you can point only to ooba as scum in that case.

What's a surprise? o.O

Gaiden is the only other living member of the neighborhood.

So why do you think ooba knows cephrir can read him well?

Your behavior seems a bit over the top.
I thought you were for of a working things out type.

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Btw just for info, my neighborhood is Me, Bork, TTH/Cho, Nati and Gaiden.
Since you're doing pre-flip associatives that might help you.

Thanks!

Gaiden: I know you lurk but you at times post quality stuff.
What was your view of the neighborhood talk?

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Did ooba say anything in the neighborhood?

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TTH is reminding me of how I played in paradise lost. Is it just me?

Hmmm, in what way specifically?

There are some parallels but I don't think it's that similar.

The case reminded me of when I push town after scum was lynched and showed the how he didn't vote RC and some small connection.

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Rhat Ratsuki ? Rhat rbout Ruffinman?

My heart melted a little with this post.

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why?

I think, given that the power seems to be pretty spread out, a town vanillaizer getting to drain scum power with accurate reads makes more sense than scum getting to randomly sap town power.

Also, giving town a way to strip off the scum vigilante kill mitigates the late game threat Natirasha's role posed.

Not sure why you think town would target a player that says they could confirm themselves.
Can you explain that since you are the one focusing must be town role?


I think I'm going with my gut instead of my head right now.

vote: TTH

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Not sure why you think town would target a player that says they could confirm themselves.
Can you explain that since you are the one focusing must be town role?

I think I'm going with my gut instead of my head right now.

vote: TTH

He said he could confirm

the role

, not confirm

himself

. There's a difference.

Again I don't see why you think town would target there.

I get some of what your saying but from what I was reading day 1 no one seemed really set as brian as scum
If he was a scum read I could see where the idea of it being town as plausible but that still isn't the case.

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I get some of what your saying but from what I was reading day 1 no one seemed really set as brian as scum

There was a flip in between when people were talking and when people would have submitted night actions.

If it comes time for mass claim and no one 'fesses up to it, I take that as more definitive proof than just saying "Brian was a universal town read."

Alright.

This chat help me a bit

Vote: ooba

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Brian's theory of the vanillalizer would seem to point towards NS? I do like the TTH pressure though

How did you conclude this?

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okay I like sala now.

Vote: Kats

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I resent Salsa's scum read on me

Oversoul: I think I'm an over thinker on things. But one question for you.
Is kats a town read for you? Is so why? All she's done is go on and on about nacho most of day 1.

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She is not asking for nacho's blood anymore today so???

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I don't see why scum-katsuki would let up any more easily than town-katsuki, but I don't disagree that katsuki is a decent lynch.

It's a shame that muffin and Salamance don't agree, as that would make things a lot easier.

It would be great if grapes weighed in on the gamestate. Curious about zmuff's opinions too.

So far only experienced the tunnel to death kats.
The other kats was lurk to death and hop on reads.

When I see exact same play style it feels fake. Like almost trying to hard to match the same play and then to stop tunneling and do nothing but troll it just comes off as scummy to me.

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muffin and salamance, I would really like it if you guys voted.

I need Farsides answer first.

Respond to what?

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With the exception of NS, there are people voting me without talking about my post and arguing it, namely lalala and Kats. Glad to see the norm at MS is to vote town and ask questions later. If Kats is just gonna stand around with her thumb in its ass, then I suggest we lynch it.

Farside:

why am I town? This needs an answer in your next post.

Kats:

why am I scum? Muffin asked you this question and you still have yet to answer it.

This?

I liked your reads. You came in with strong views instead of easy reads.
Idk mostly because I see zzmuffin as scum and I think people dance around that idea more then others.
I also think you gave this game a wake up call it needed and finally because when TTH post my gut twitch in a way that makes me want to not follow her.

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I'm reconsidering my early read if grapes at this point

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Hey sala while your around I need to bounce my gut onto someone else.
My gut twitches with lala, TTH, nacho and grapes latest post.
I can't explain really why but it just something I read from them either read fake, uninterested, over the top and one reads as lack of effort.

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I think you could be scum and I don't like the Sala wagon specifically because TTH is leading it and I don't trust Grapes, who conveniently hopped on with an angle I can't really see coming from town.

You also can't seem to answer a simple yes or no question, which, regardless of your alignment or your role, shouldn't be a problem.

If it came down to you or Sala, I would vote you.

I find myself agreeing with this thought process.

Not a fan of kats either so.

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Salamance is scumzilla why haven't we lynched it yet

Wouldn't be opposed to getting rid of Gaiden but Sal's a much better choice.

SPRINKLED DELIGHT they seem cool let's not kill them.

Why is sal scum?

cupcake should claim in his next post

I'm not claiming when only 4 out of 15 people believe I warrant a lynch, 2 of which I believe to be likely scum.

I'm sorry I can't here you over your nothing case and shitty attitude.
Gfo

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I'm not scum kats reads mean next to nothing to me.

Oversoul: do you think sala is scum? Sorry if you've said something about this, I'm a bit scattered lately.

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I mean if you want me gone blunt I'd go for the grapes wagon over sal Ina heartbeat

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Not night gale.

I'm waiting for all players to chime in but I don't see sala as scum.

Grapes and TTH is were I'd go next since kats read on me is wrong

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Kag who is in that qt with you?

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The birds neighborhood is the eaglet, the lory, the duck, the dodo, and the monstrous crow, katsuki is telling the truth.

UNVOTE:

The neighborhood you mentioned here.

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Not sure why it's a secret but okay I'll trust you on this.

Vote: TTH

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There's no reason to out the birds. At the bear minimum, doing so would inform scum who is and isn't a good vanilla-ization target.

Fair enough.
Join the TTH wagon.