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Since I don't get a party I'm open to suggestions on where to adventure. I don't think there's an inherent clock on when I have to decide, but let's say 48 hours. I'll keep my own counsel concerning the rest of what I know for the time being.
VOTE: Cool Cucumbers - My hydra partner is cheating on me and we both agreed that the result would be that we would end up on opposing factions. Well ... I don't have access to any PTs for this game so that is all I need to know.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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In post 9, MaxwellPuckett wrote:VOTE: DiamondSentinel
For giving me comment section flashbacks.
So, is Drixx the MC from a previous night, and we'll now vote for today's main character?
Nope. The vote today will be for tomorrow's Main Character.
I would suggest we leave this for later in the day. We haven't even had everyone check in yet. Someone might have some crazy cool role and just end up being the MC for the entire game, assuming they can demonstrate it and it's obvtown and such. Failing some reason to keep it on the same person, it's still probably a good idea to let the day transpire so we can try and avoid giving scum the MC.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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I assume I'm the MC today because of my character. That's what the flavor indicates anyway. I donotget to choose a party today. Whomever is MC every day after this will pick a party (until there are too few players, should the game go that long), and that will be public info, according to the rules/mechanics.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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So I really figure that there's no point in anything other than full disclosure right from the outset. I'll be around at least until tomorrow.
I am "Lute" and the only ability I start with is that I begin the game as the MC. I'm tempted to call it a pseudo-IC, but there's no confirmation for you guys of my alignment ... just your ability to go look at the flavor and see whether or not what I'm saying makes sense to you. I have a bit of flavor that tells me to work hard and explains that I begin with no inherent special abilities (so in terms of things I can do passively or actively ... nothing to start with). There's then some flavor that I'm sure fits with the theme which explains why I'm the MC today and why I don't get a party. To paraphrase, the flavor says something like "For some unknown reason the local jerks liked him." and the explanation is that I begin as MC but do not get a party.
That said, there are things I was told which the game hasn't been told. They're kind of important when it comes to voting for the MC, and I think it would be significantly bad if the MC lands in scum hands. There are obviously game changing things in the various sparks and it would be super unpleasant for some of those to be given to scum. My thinking is we can approach it two different ways, each with its own weakness:
1.) We evaluate and put the MC going forward on someone we're pretty sure is town and someone who is good at figuring out other town (since the party votes on who gets the benefits of the adventure, putting MC on someone who is hilariously bad at figuring out town would be bad).
2.) We put MC on someone who is willing to essentially be leashed to our town block, when a town block begins to form. They essentially become the proxy and decide which abilities to spark and such based upon the town block's suggestions.
I think the faults with either approach are obvious. Totally open to better ideas if someone has them.
FWIW, I actually have a slight town read on DS for #18. I don't generally form reads on day one very easily but that post screams town to me.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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In post 19, MaxwellPuckett wrote:In post 15, DiamondSentinel wrote:Can we just skip the RVS and cut to the chase? Is there a reason in the OP that Drixx is MC, and I just missed it? Or is it some other reason we don't yet know?
PEdit: I think he chooses a party today.
You're the one who cast the first RVS vote, and very few players have even posted. Nothing wrong with getting out of RVS, but if you want to, you have to do it yourself. not sure if asking people will help.
Pedit: titus' day one can make you confident of her alignment? You two close?
I actually recently spent a great deal of time reading Titus games from 2015 because I felt her performance was so far ahead of the norm in Suikoden that if there were other games where she was also way ahead of base probability at figuring out alignments, then I wanted to nominate her for Best Scum Catcher. She is objectively over the course of the past year statistically several standard deviations above what basic probability predicts (I used bayes theorem and I can show my work if anyone is really that interested and would understand it ... or you can take my word for it). Anyway, suffice it to say that I nommed her (and keep hoping someone will second because being significantly better at finding scum than the vast majority of people is pretty much what that scummy is for).
So yeah ... if Titus obvtowns to me, I would probably be pretty happy to vote her and hope I earn a spot in the town block because the party mechanic is cool. I'm being super careful here ... if one were to view my recent posts they would find that I hydra with Titus as "Learned Hand". I understand her quite a lot more now than I did before.
In post 21, The Cool Cucumbers wrote:In post 10, Drixx wrote:Since I don't get a party I'm open to suggestions on where to adventure. I don't think there's an inherent clock on when I have to decide, but let's say 48 hours. I'll keep my own counsel concerning the rest of what I know for the time being.
VOTE: Cool Cucumbers - My hydra partner is cheating on me and we both agreed that the result would be that we would end up on opposing factions. Well ... I don't have access to any PTs for this game so that is all I need to know.
VOTE: Drixx
For not accepting we tried to get you in when you mentioned it.
(Can we be in your party so we can pretend to be hyrda'd at least?)
¬wgeurts
I can't have a party unless I'm MC after today. If I am, I would probably bring you guys in the party so I could talk to you in the Party PT and figure out your alignment for real. All joking aside, figuring you two out is a priority for me. You're either the biggest threat to town or among the biggest assets. That's the level of respect I have for Cerberus' intellect and your common sense. I'm a little bummed we didn't find another player so that I could be in the Cool Cucumbers hydra, but then if we had, I wouldn't be Lute, so I guess I the RNG was kind to me.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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I know you tend to be contrary ABR, but why on earth would you actually vote for an MC so early in day one? I can't think of a town motive for it. I'm going to be blunt and say that rationally it feels like scum doing something that nobody will think scum would do so early. You're already hard enough for me to read and trust ... why you gotta make it harder?
P-Edit: Yeah. The rule is really clear. I can mention that there is an ongoing game. I just cannot talk in any way about what's going on in it. The fact that I am in that hydra is public info easily found in my post history, so I'm pretty sure I'm well away from crossing the line. It's contextually important to know why I might be able to read Titus in this game where I've had trouble with reading her in the past (most famously in WDPT).
P-Edit2:Because of one of my character's flavor "abilities", I am the Main Character today. Basically whomever was assigned "Lute" as their character was going to be that. RNG chose me. That same ability prevents me having a party.
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In post 36, Albert B. Rampage wrote:In post 35, Albert B. Rampage wrote:In post 31, Drixx wrote:I actually recently spent a great deal of time reading Titus games from 2015 because I felt her performance was so far ahead of the norm in Suikoden that if there were other games where she was also way ahead of base probability at figuring out alignments, then I wanted to nominate her for Best Scum Catcher. She is objectively over the course of the past year statistically several standard deviations above what basic probability predicts (I used bayes theorem and I can show my work if anyone is really that interested and would understand it ... or you can take my word for it). Anyway, suffice it to say that I nommed her (and keep hoping someone will second because being significantly better at finding scum than the vast majority of people is pretty much what that scummy is for).
So yeah ... if Titus obvtowns to me, I would probably be pretty happy to vote her and hope I earn a spot in the town block because the party mechanic is cool. I'm being super careful here ... if one were to view my recent posts they would find that I hydra with Titus as "Learned Hand". I understand her quite a lot more now than I did before.
Everybody can have a hot year. I have a 70% win rate in 2015.
That's in 20 games. Tell me how many standard deviations above the average I am.
If you actually want to know, start a discussion about statistical analysis in Mafia Discussion, and I'll be happy to dump my thoughts on analyzing how people play as different alignments using Bayes Theorem and my thoughts on assigning values and weights. I have some preliminary thoughts on evaluating how people perform in certain roles, but it's a lot of work and I haven't figured out an actually useful reason to put in the work. Perhaps you can think of one if you want to start such a thread. I'll be happy to contribute. I don't think this thread is the place to try and go through all that.
And the Scummies are year by year, so if someone has a really good year, that's the point.
We're way besides the point though. I was simply saying that I know Titus has been significantly above the norm this past year (especially so in the past few months), so if she shows up and obvtowns to the people who can read her, I would not have any problem at all with letting her do her thing and giving her the partial immunity.
The thing people need to be aware of is that the MC isn't actually completely immune until LYLO. If they choose a party unwisely, the party is able to get through the immunity. That seems like a strong motivator for town to not only make sure the MC stays in town hands, but also to try and organize and keep scum out of the adventure party as much as possible. If the scum end up getting the MC, it also strikes me as a sort of Sophie's Choice for them because if they pull in a town party and slip or in some other way become widely scum read, the party can strip the protection ... but if they pick scum partners in the party, they make the game super easy for us.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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Yeah. I already said so when I said that I'm essentially a pseudo-IC and claimed my character.
In post 41, Albert B. Rampage wrote:In post 37, Drixx wrote:I know you tend to be contrary ABR, but why on earth would you actually vote for an MC so early in day one? I can't think of a town motive for it. I'm going to be blunt and say that rationally it feels like scum doing something that nobody will think scum would do so early. You're already hard enough for me to read and trust ... why you gotta make it harder?
I think it would be interesting to have DGB as the Main Character. I want her to live a while in this game so I can play longer with her. There's not much to it other than that.
Fair enough. There's lots of people I like in this game. Given just how much the MC decides and how those decisions will impact the game, I am going to be way more likely to vote someone I maybe don't know so well but have a firm town read on when the day end grows near.
In post 43, Albert B. Rampage wrote:In post 38, ZZZX wrote:Albert ya town?
Ya dude. Do you think we should vote on the region to explore?
I asked for people to give me advice, but there's no vote. I'll decide and it is public knowledge what I decide.
In post 45, ZZZX wrote:Also
@MOD can the MC be choosen for a few nights/days in a row?
is the MC voted today's protection valid starting today?
And is there any way for the MC to die"?
The rules say there's a vote every day for the MC. I didn't see any prohibition against choosing the same person repeatedly.
I'm not sure whether it would be a good idea to clarify your 2nd question. No need to make life easy for scum. If they know they can't kill the person, no wasted shots. If they know they can, then they can subvert the mechanic altogether. Even if the prior MC just remains the MC instead of the game completely losing the MC and Party for a day and losing the adventure and spark, your question could lead to all sorts of bad outcomes. I hope Varsoon declines to answer it. I won't be revealing what I have been told privately, and I suggest any MCs who come after me follow my example.
Your third question is addressed in the mechanics info.
@Varsoon- The sparks appear to give new abilities, and I suspect rewards for adventure may also do so. That's really close to (if not actually) role changing. Can you clarify whether or not that's the case? I think role changing is considered bastard, although what you've come up with doesn't strike me as being super bastard, since I see nothing that indicates a loss of existing ability. Anyway ... clarification would be useful.
V: Mid-game alignment changes are bastard, but this is not that.
Adventures and Sparking Techniques simply grant new abilities to players.
You will not lose your old abilities by gaining these new ones.Last edited by Varsoon on Fri Jan 08, 2016 4:36 am, edited 1 time in total.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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I concur. I abhor lurking on principle, and this game's mechanics make it that much more undesireable.
In post 59, Albert B. Rampage wrote:In post 14, MaxwellPuckett wrote:In post 11, Drixx wrote:In post 9, MaxwellPuckett wrote:VOTE: DiamondSentinel
For giving me comment section flashbacks.
So, is Drixx the MC from a previous night, and we'll now vote for today's main character?
Nope. The vote today will be for tomorrow's Main Character.
I would suggest we leave this for later in the day. We haven't even had everyone check in yet. Someone might have some crazy cool role and just end up being the MC for the entire game, assuming they can demonstrate it and it's obvtown and such. Failing some reason to keep it on the same person, it's still probably a good idea to let the day transpire so we can try and avoid giving scum the MC.
Oh, I get it now, thanks Drixx.
Since you've no party, I think it'd be a great idea to adventure to Wakatu, because ghost towns are the best location to travel alone to. The full Silent Hill experience.
I second a visit to Wakatu from Drixx. Should be fun.
Thanks for letting me know. I was thinking of visiting Baccarat when I read up on things. I started to try and speculate what each of the regions might mean, but Varsoon has already taught me (repeatedly) not to try and out-guess him.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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In post 64, Albert B. Rampage wrote:In post 62, Drixx wrote:Fair enough. There's lots of people I like in this game. Given just how much the MC decides and how those decisions will impact the game, I am going to be way more likely to vote someone I maybe don't know so well but have a firm town read on when the day end grows near.
In post 62, Drixx wrote:I asked for people to give me advice, but there's no vote. I'll decide and it is public knowledge what I decide.
Hahaha you cocky bastard. You're the "starting MC", but if we vote for a new one today, a new MC will be crowned and will be able to select party members.
In post 65, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I'll say it again. We can demote Drixx and have ourselves a new MC for tonight.
You misunderstand. You can vote for a new MC but they won't immediately supplant me. I and I alone will decide today's adventure (except, of course, that I already asked for thoughts on where to adventure). It will be publicly declared in the thread when I choose.
And no ... you can't vote a new MC today and have them take over and make a party. I'm not being cocky in the least. I'm just telling you how it works since I was told things that not everyone else was told.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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In post 73, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Scum can kill anyone they want N1 except for Drixx. That's a scary thought.
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In post 67, ZZZX wrote:In post 62, Drixx wrote:Yeah. I already said so when I said that I'm essentially a pseudo-IC and claimed my character.
sorry but wrong answer.
I dont believe that flavor will solve games like this mostly
varsoon is one tricky tricky foking mod m8
also ill be honest over explination felt off
first impression not so great. not so bad either though
pedit: are you sure alb?
You're not obligated to believe me, and in fact you shouldn't just because of flavor. I'm just being open about my character and what I've got. I'll either earn a town read or I won't.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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In post 70, ZZZX wrote:In post 62, Drixx wrote:I'm not sure whether it would be a good idea to clarify your 2nd question. No need to make life easy for scum. If they know they can't kill the person, no wasted shots. If they know they can, then they can subvert the mechanic altogether. Even if the prior MC just remains the MC instead of the game completely losing the MC and Party for a day and losing the adventure and spark, your question could lead to all sorts of bad outcomes. I hope Varsoon declines to answer it. I won't be revealing what I have been told privately, and I suggest any MCs who come after me follow my example.
pretty sure scum can i ask that in private anyway so...
I dont see any thing lost here. since its written in teh op and it was just me not understanding it.
I'm trying to figure out what on earth was going through your head when you wrote "pretty sure scum can i ask that in private anyway so..."
The specific timing of when the previous MC loses their protection and the newly voted MC gains their protection is probably not info that we want scum to have, ergo while I know the answer (at least inasmuch as it applies to me), I see no point in answering it.
I'd appreciate it if you explained what was going on in your head when you said something that looks a lot like you were thinking "pretty sure as scum I can ask that in private anyway so...": I'm totally open to you having an explanation that you were thinking something else, but that literally jumped off the page and smacked me in the face.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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In post 106, Rylai and Lina wrote:Question
Based on Steven universe mafia, is it safe to assume main characters are protagonists? I was reading a bit of back when it finished and flavour was pretty in line. I am pretty inclinted to believe Drixx based on that since his character is a main character in the game.
Also hi all.
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Varsoon explicitly said after SU that he was going to alter his future fake claims for scum because SU was nearly completely breakable via flavor. In fact, given that Centipeedle is both a good and a bad character on the show, one could argue that it was in factcompletelybreakable by flavor.
In post 107, Albert B. Rampage wrote:cant make any assumptions like that
Agreed. That's why I referred to the fact that I actually have to earn a town read and don't expect my infodump to just make everyone go "oh, he's the main character"
In post 108, MaxwellPuckett wrote:SU mafia is actually exactly the reason I'm not calling Drixx town based on flavour alone.
I'll go into it if you want, but the short of it is that Varsoon likely gave mafia better fakeclaims this time around, which ups the chance of scum having main character fake claims.
This.
From a game setup spec PoV, I am not at all surprised that I'm town and I started out as the MC. Giving the informed minority good fake claims and also giving them the initiative to start with would be quite difficult the balance. Folks need to think this stuff through for themselves though.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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In post 121, Sensei wrote:Is the game any good?
All this gorgeous artwork Varsoon is using for the flavor is tempting alone.
Yes. Varsoon picks really good (and often fairly overlooked and underrated) stuff to feature his themes around. It's awesomesauce™Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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In post 137, Albert B. Rampage wrote:There's three players I can't stand on this site and only two of them play mafia games. Sorry guys.
If I'm one of those people, it would be cool to work that out. I'm aware that I come across in text rather quite a lot poorly than I would like to. I do my very best to have no enemies. I'd be friends with everyone on the planet if I could. For whatever it's worth.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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In post 367, Varsoon wrote:Spifflop's slot has been compromised.
In order to continue forward with a fair game (and after discussion with all parties involved), I have no other choice but to modkill Spifflop's slot.
I ask that the players involved in this issue stay quiet about it until post-game.
The day phase will continue.
Spifflop was Mod-Killed on Day 1. They wereRed Okonogi, aligned via mod-kill as aNeutral Survivor.
Red Okonogi's full role functions as follows:
Spoiler:
I'm sorry but I see nothing in the game thread that at all appears to line up with his slot being compromised.
I got mod-killed in Titus' bastard game because of mod error, and I was town, and it made me enraged that town was penalized because of no fault of mine or any other town player (and in fact, a scum player had manipulated things to bring about the situation). I very nearly went to the site admins over it, because it was ridiculously harmful to the town to penalize them without offsetting that by doing something to the scum team to compensate.
Feel free to respond to me privately or publicly. You know I have mad respect for you, but if this turns out to be a situation where you just penalized town and gave scum a free mislynch and there's no fault on the part of Spifflop (and I see nothing in the thread that warrants mod kill), I won't restrain myself this time.
This was 100% a player based error.
We will discuss it post-game. Trust me, the modkill was the last action I wanted to take in this situation, but the slot was compromised.
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Erm ... let's agree to disagree. All Varsoon has to say if that modkill was Spifflop's fault is something like: "Unlike your case in Titus' game, in this case unfortunately something happened that required this. Trust me it's not a situation where the town is being unfairly penalized like the situation you are referring to." and I'll chill and wait till end game to find out what happened. If any player on a team does something warranting a mod kill, then the rest of his team has to bear the consequences. It's just not at all clear that this is the case at the moment.
And you well know that I tried handling the previous situation in private and I am still waiting (and shall apparently wait until hell freezes over) for a satisfactory explanation for how killing a slot because of no fault of their own and then doing nothing to offset the drastic shift in game balance that action created can possibly be justified as even an acceptable course of action, let alone the best course.
Here I am in another game and I see something that looks very similar. We're like a single real time day into the game and already the balance of the game is shifted in favor of scum by one free mislynch.
I have sent you a message, but please understand that due to the nature of the offense, I can not discuss it in full until the game is over.
Trust my judgment.
Furthermore, I ask that all players focus on continuing the game. If you want to discuss this issue, PM me. This thread is for playing the game; both Spifflop and I would prefer if the modkill would not disrupt the game-play as they often do.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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Fluminator's soft defense of Cerberus (who is under fire for being much more open about reads early on day one than usual) just jumped off the monitor and smacked me in the face.
As someone who talks to Cerberus daily and has played with him extensively, I have to agree that the post in question was quite a lot more firm in its thinking than He ever is on day one. He threw in some equivocation, but he wasn't equivocating about me. He's acting far outside of what I would expect. Mitigating that is that he was specifically asked to say something about the people in question. Still ... the Cool Cucumbers need to be pushed to interact as much as possible. We don't want to leave Cerb and Wguerts together alive if they got assigned scum. It will puff up his ego that I'm saying this, but Cerberus is way too intelligent for me to be comfy with the idea of him being scum.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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It's beyond a shadow of a doubt a dramatic shift from his normal day one posting. Generally if you ask him about players on day one, he is willing to evaluate them, but inevitably he reverts to not really having reads because his approach requires having knowledge of flips and how people interacted with, voted for, defended or attacked the flipped parties. Having none of that, he made what looks a lot like a reads list with reasons. I didn't feel like that post was his usual "I can see these reasons why X person might be town, but also there's some other reasons to think they might be scum, so I can't really tell" results.
Fluminator soft defending him by saying that Cerb's meta must have changed a lot since they last played is what brought me round to suspecting it may actually be something to suspect. Cerberus has an absurdly stable meta (in and out of hydra), and I simply don't believe anyone could say with a straight face that they played with Cerberus before and suggest that he was different then from what Spifflop said in #319.
Whatever the reason, Cerberus is way more aggressive this game and willing to give his thinking on players much more readily and what he said is much less wishy washy than usual. The question then becomes why the change. Until Flum threw out that absurd soft defense, I was watching to see if it was just influence by Wgeurts or Cerb perhaps taking advantage of being in hydra with someone less like himself to try and work on his day one game.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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I have a pretty solid argument for why the game might want to keep me as MC, at least in the short term. It's basically a function of initiative. Scum starts out knowing a ridiculous amount more than town and therefore has a huge initiative advantage. I'll try not to belabor this too much but I do want to give examples of what I mean:
1.) The Scum team(s) by their number will know basically immediately if they are in a multi-ball situation, or if there's a good probability of there being a third party.
2.) Scum know who isn't on their team, which is a huge advantage (duh), but they also get to see all their own assortment of roles and abilities, which gives them some idea of what the town collectively has in order for the game to be balanced. So they also have a really good idea of what they're looking for out of posts from players not on their team (whether that is looking for particular PR crumbs, a third party or whatever).
So that said, I already claimed completely. I don't start with anything other than being the MC today and solo adventuring without a party. My best assumption is that whatever reward comes from the adventure will be automatically given to me, so I start with nothing but I'll gainsomething... I just don't know what.
{Reminder to please advise on a region to pick to adventure in}
I believe if you think about the idea of initiative, it will be pretty obvious that giving scum the MC to start with would just add more to the already large initiative imbalance that exists at the start of any given mafia game. Scum are a team, town doesn't know anything as a general rule, etc...
So yeah ... Drixx for populist MC for the short term, basically. I'm good with working up a town block and letting town reads have a huge hand in deciding adventuring choice, party composition and spark choices. Just think about it. Obviously nobody that isn't me can know for sure, but I think the initiative thing makes a lot of sense in terms of game theory. I happen to have knowledge that I am actually town so I know that town was given the MC, and that makes perfect sense to me in terms of balancing a game. The question is whether it will make sense to the rest of you townies out there.
As far as it goes, I would prefer to hand it off to someone who is super town read at some point. I'm just not sure anyone will super obvtown enough today that we want to hand that to them, when there's at least some probabilistic arguments to be made for there being a really high probability that town would start with the MC, and that would necessarily make me town. As I said in an earlier post, I viewed my role as a pseudo-IC. I can't summon the mod to confirm me, but just thinking about balance and game spec, it makes sense, at least to me. I'm curious if it makes sense to the people I have some light town reads on atm. I obviously have a piece of information that nobody else in the town has which may be putting a metaphorical thumb on the scales here and so my thinking could be biased by what I know to a degree that makes the speculation worthless.
But on the off chance that my thoughts on that would be useful, there you have it. I normally would want more information to even mess with setup speculation, but it seems to me that the whole MC/party mechanic and the rewards and the sparks mechanic are all super important and if we can keep all of that going into town hands, that should help tremendously.
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In post 538, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Your passive stops you from having party members. We want town to spark abilities. We want to go on adventures. There's no way we are voting you for MC again.
In post 539, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I don't give a flying fuck what you think, the entire purpose of me joining this game was so that I could go exploring, adventuring, partying. There's zero chance of you being MC again.
Umm... no. I don't get tostartwith a party. It doesn't prevent me from getting one if I am actually voted to be the MC. And umm... why would you necessarily be excluded from the party if I were the MC? The MC chooses the party... and I'm pretty sure I haven't expressed any negative read of you so why would I exclude you? o.OGet to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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Like I went to look just to be sure. It is absolutelyexplicitthat I only lack a party on day one. I don't think I ever suggested that it was game long, but feel free to point out where I said something that made you conclude that. Just for the sake of me getting better at communicating things, because how you arrived at that conclusion is a mystery to me.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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In post 541, Albert B. Rampage wrote:OK. I'm still against you being MC again because you haven't done anything that says town to me.
That's an entirely different argument. I kind of got distracted by trying to figure out all the mechanics implications. I'm sorry that doesn't seem town to you.
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In post 545, Albert B. Rampage wrote:We already told you to go to Wakatu because it's a ghost town. You are being a HUGE DISTRACTION to the momentum we are building on Rylai.
Well you don't have to make it a huge distraction. People can think about it and decide what they think. That's all I asked.
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*sigh*
You realize that post was a gigantic bait post right? Why do people blow up my gambits?
RE #548 - Yeah ... I haven't said one word about a lot of stuff in the game yet. You may have noticed a gap while I was busy with other things and I wasn't here responding and interacting. It happens. If you want a realtime experience, I think blitz games are going and you could always try live mafia. (Town of Salem on STEAM is decent but not great).
P-edit2: I actually got a strong townread on ABR for his reaction. I believe he misunderstood the passive that keeps me from having a party just on day one, and his reaction to my post was super town oriented. I just wish he had let folks respond and not made it super obvious that it was laid out there as bait. I am not yet good enough to think up endless ways to put out posts that will pull in responses to help me make reads, without it being super transparent, so when I think up a decent one it kills me how often people like squash it.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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In post 566, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I'm getting so worked up because Titus literally ruins games with her bullshit bandwagons on town and town block shenanigans. She has no fucking clue what she's doing until Day 3. Honestly she shouldn't even have a vote, she should just sheep players around until there are enough flips and interactions for her skills to shine. You literally should not be doing anything that Titus is doing.
I pretty regularly self-evaluate my own play. After the game I'll be happy to show you when I started using posts that were dual purpose and intended to be non obvious posts that would draw responses for me to read. Like ... assuming you are talking to me ... I'm not emulating Titus here. I was really hoping to get the FA hydra (the one you're onto) to respond to me, as well as the Cucumbers.
I'll figure another angle to come with at some point. For whatever reason, I always second guess things and spend forever working on a post until I feel like it's subtle enough to do what I want. And it totally got you to bite and you bit hard in a townie fashion. Since I find you hard to read, that is good fruit from the post; I just wish I had gotten more.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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By the way ... I still want responses to my post that ABR shit on (and in the process earned my first town read that is more than a lean). You guys need to realize that there's a game within a game going on here; it's totally awesome to get scum on day one, and in particular I feel like we really want that to happen given what has happened in this game. That said ... getting scum on day one basicallypales in comparisonto ensuring that town is reaping the benefits of adventuring and spark rewards all game.
So like ... I am trying to focus on both. Please respond to my setup spec post about initiative and the MC, those who haven't. Even knowing it's meant to garner reads won't necessarily stop someone from responding in a way that outs them as scum later in the game (or makes them obviously town).
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In post 603, Yosarian2 wrote:In post 561, Drixx wrote:*
You realize that post was a gigantic bait post right? Why do people blow up my gambits?
I was basically just assuming you were town up until now but this is a bad post.
I'm sorry if it was a bad post. I made it in frustration. Some people on this site can't take a breath without putting out subtle posts that help them read people. I find it stupidly difficult to craft a subtle post (I was born and raised in Maine, and Mainiacs are pretty blunt generally so that is probably all you need to know about why), so I was just irritated that it got blown up so quickly.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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In post 610, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Come on Drixx, help us out here, give us a Rylai vote.
I'm reading. I'm stingy with my vote as you know. I'm like 90% of the way to agreeing with you. I'm trying to make sense of a few of the posts from that hydra.
In post 612, MaxwellPuckett wrote:In post 606, Sensei wrote:@Max - What did you think of Yimmy's entrance?
This.
In post 572, MaxwellPuckett wrote:
Other scumreads besides who I've stated? Unsure. I want to talk to Skybird, not enough there for me to read her yet. Off the top of my head... Yimmy showed up with a lot of null and ??? reads after apparently ISOing for three hours, but I'm waiting on the latter half of their list
Think of it as 'bleh' to 'not good'.
In post 605, Drixx wrote:By the way ... I still want responses to my post that ABR shit on (and in the process earned my first town read that is more than a lean). You guys need to realize that there's a game within a game going on here; it's totally awesome to get scum on day one, and in particular I feel like we really want that to happen given what has happened in this game. That said ... getting scum on day one basicallypales in comparisonto ensuring that town is reaping the benefits of adventuring and spark rewards all game.
So like ... I am trying to focus on both. Please respond to my setup spec post about initiative and the MC, those who haven't. Even knowing it's meant to garner reads won't necessarily stop someone from responding in a way that outs them as scum later in the game (or makes them obviously town).
Play short and long term at the same time. That's all I'm trying to say.
Drixx, I think you're probably town. I don't really think you're likely to be voted as MC today. This might change, I'm not sure. I agree that the adventure rewards are hella and that we want to pile them onto a townblock, though. There doesn't seem to be too much to respond to, besides the region choice and whether or not you should be MC today.
CoolDog: Lynching scum is always 100% priority, but doing it on D1 is hard. I think we can multitask enough to scumhunt as well as talk about the MC vote.
Well if people think about the setup and come to the same conclusion I did, I make the absolute most sense for MC vote today. When we get someone who is super obvtown and whom we want to protect, I will want to move the MC to them so they are protected, and hopefully whomever separates from the pack is willing to put in the effort to lead the town and work with a town block. What I know about the adventure rewards and sparking goes beyond what is known to the game at large at the moment, and all I can say is we definitely want to keep it in our hands. I'm advocating myself simply because on day one there is so little concrete evidence, and I think that logically it makes sense to posit me as town for a lot of reasons, but I outlined the most important ones in the prior post.
To be super clear though ... whatever I gain from adventuring tonight isn't going to be game breaking. We'll want someone we can trust is town to get MC so we protect them and they can play out the town game without fear of being taken out (short of really bad party choices, but that's why I'm pushing for us to agree the MC should be helping form a town block and then tapping it for advice and bringing in the most townie people to adventure and get rewards). Basically everyone in the town is likely to have an actual cool permanent role (like the one we unfortunately saw flip), whereas whatever I might gain tonight won't bring my utility up to that level.
There are like 3 or 4 players I'm watching to see if the obvtown, and if that happens, I'll shift and push for them to be voted the next MC. If we don't get someone like that today; however, I think the safest choice is me for tomorrow, and I would at this point snag DGB and ABR as my first two choices for the party. I think anyone paying attention to the game knows why and would agree. As for the other half ... too many people seem too hesitant to me atm.
In post 613, CooLDoG wrote:yeah, sure, whatever, lynching scum is far more important than night phase stuff imho. It really is distracting from the thread though to reads heaps of useless speculation.
Lynching scum is always the ultimate goal. This game has cool mechanics that provide progressively stronger benefits. I really don't want scum to end up in control of the adventuring and rewards, especially since the game balance got shifted already against us. Even if all my speculation does is get people thinking on their own about how to accomplish this, then I've done half of what I wanted to do with it.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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In post 618, Yosarian2 wrote:In post 608, Drixx wrote:In post 603, Yosarian2 wrote:In post 561, Drixx wrote:*
You realize that post was a gigantic bait post right? Why do people blow up my gambits?
I was basically just assuming you were town up until now but this is a bad post.
I'm sorry if it was a bad post. I made it in frustration. Some people on this site can't take a breath without putting out subtle posts that help them read people. I find it stupidly difficult to craft a subtle post (I was born and raised in Maine, and Mainiacs are pretty blunt generally so that is probably all you need to know about why), so I was just irritated that it got blown up so quickly.
It was a bad post because if you were making a bait post you shouldn't be surprised if people attack you.
But whatever. No sense worrying about you until tomorow anyway, just noting that for future reference.
Was it clear before I said so that the underlying intent of that post was to provoke reactions to help me read people? It's still doing that in the form of the follow on conversation. Day one conversations are so useless on day one but so fertile and productive later on for finding scum. I'm content.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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In post 692, Albert B. Rampage wrote:In post 690, Lowkey wrote:In post 605, Drixx wrote:er reads won't necessarily stop someone from responding in a way that outs them as scum later in the game (or makes them obviously town).
Drixx, I think you're town here. I think you're very obvtown. And I'll gladly vote you for MC once I feel we're far enough into the Day to do that. You can go to Wakiki like they said earlier, that's fine. But please stay with us and concentrate on finding and voting scum here. We do not have time to waste or reasons to let scum slide by posting about mechanics and other bullshit. Focus.
You said you suspected Rylai, back it up with a vote.
I have time to focus on this game now. I'm going to read through and see what I see on that slot. If I think they are scum or there's enough doubt, I'll gladly vote, if only to get pressure up and get a better read.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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In post 745, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I think I saw something town in FA's posts.
VOTE: Klingon
Sheep me FA.
I'm your huckelberry. I really don't like what I'm seeing out of KC's slot. This is giving me flashbacks of playing with KC when KC was scum. I'm not generally a believer in playing based upon what happened in past games ... but I can't find anything in the FA hydra's ISO that's actually scummy. Just a lot of defensiveness.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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Okay. I read the pages. I think I'll go with:
VOTE: DGB
MC: Drixx
Despite assertions to the contrary, I did already lay out what I planned to do. Caretake the spot until we get someone who is as obviously townie as possible to take over the reigns. I would bring my strongest town reads into the party, pending a town block forming that would then be the best way to handle that mechanically. Remember, the MC doesn't necessarily take the rewards. Also, if my best town reads from today were to be bad and if the party had a couple scum in it and they killed me, it's not a gigantic utility loss, plus me dying would confirm scum in party, so there's that.
It would be super cool to leave the shouting matches behind and sort out the mechanical stuff and then actually push people and try and find scum. I realize I posted about the mechanics yesterday, and while I feel like it's worth taking the time to try and keep the whole set of mechanics in town's hands ... it won't mean anything if we go adventuring and get a bunch of extra stuff but lose because we mislynch every day. Need a bit more balance.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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In post 1194, Sensei wrote:They link to a different topic. That's more than likely a scumslip.
In post 1195, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Could be their hydra private topic.
That actually happens a lot I think. I can recall trying to link to posts in a game before and having my links get screwed up and go elsewhere, although I don't know what triggers it. If you just quote that post and look at the raw text, I think it just has the [ post = ] tags, which should link to the post number within the thread; however, there's something broken with that particular tag. That should be pretty easy to check, by the way, guys. Like ... why are you guys debating whether that's a slip or not? You can just look. Here... I'll open a new window and do it myself while I'm making this post. Be right back (I do enjoy amusing myself).
Yep ... all throughout the post you guys are talking about, the formatting of the links are as follows:
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In post [post=#7551629]35[/post]
So, let's see if that topic number in the post= portion of the code is put in by the person or if the forum generates it. I'm going to attempt to link to post #1200 just by doing post=#1200 and see if it adds a topic number, and I'll also try to do it using the button too. My suspicion is that it's going to, since I'm looking at quoted text right now, and it has added in the topic and post number as separate things to link back to the people I'm quoting. When in doubt, science the problem. If it turns out you have to manually try to link to a PT ... then they got some explaining to do, because even though hydras get PTs, the post in question was asserting that it was responding to posts inthis thread.
Testing: Post #1200
Testing Again: 1200 <---- hitting the button just brought up [ post ] and [ / post ] tags with the cursor between them, so I put in a post number.
So ... after previewing the results, if I do the following code, it goes to some other topic, although it appears to be a very old topic, and thus probably does not explain the situation:
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Testing: [post=#1200]Post #1200[/post]
If you hover over the post button, that's actually the syntax it tells you to use, but that's clearly broken.
The second result appears to work, and that was using the code as follows:
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[post]1200[/post]
However ... if you quote this post and look, you will see that the forum system parsed that and added in a topic number. Still... it added in the topic number forthis thread, not a PT somewhere.
Conclusion? They got some explaining to do.
In post 1231, The Cool Cucumbers wrote:In post 1212, pirate mollie wrote:In post 1187, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Hey I'm just glad you're town. I'd like to take a quick moment to mention I'm on an 8 game winning streak rampage Yeahhhhh!
I have won 21 out of the last 27 town games I have played! I am even counting the cupcake 1 altho that game was bullshit.
hi cerb!
tbh I don't even remember what your exact response was I just felt like it was very hedgy. but I bet i remember what your responses are on this page tho!
"hedgey"
"hedgey"
You know, that's a decent way of describing the way I answered your question(s)(which was, btw, you asking what my thoughts were on your reads), but...it's a markedly different way of describing it than the way Drixx and Titus described it. They were both shocked by me taking firm stances on things....firm stances which you call..."hedgey"
So, umm, which is it guys? Was I taking surprisingly firm stances, or was i being "hedgey"?
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I think if you want people to give you rings, you need to obvtown. Simple as that. If I end up with a ring and you earn a town read you're welcome to it.
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In post 1245, Rylai and Lina wrote:In post 1244, Rylai and Lina wrote:In post 1242, Drixx wrote:I see no point in going to a literal ghost town, so I'm going to Adventure: BACCARAT
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Take this siriously please.
Go somewhere else
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Can you explain why you feel this way? I was looking for a reaction with that, and you bithard. Explain?
In post 1246, Yosarian2 wrote:In post 1242, Drixx wrote:I think if you want people to give you rings, you need to obvtown. Simple as that. If I end up with a ring and you earn a town read you're welcome to it.
I see no point in going to a literal ghost town, so I'm going toAdventure: BACCARAT
If you get a ring and you don't give it to me, you are preventing the town fron getting a power role of some type, for absolutly no gain. It would be like roleblocking a claimed power role for the entire rest of the game.
If you really do that, you had better be able to explain yourself, because that's super anti town behavior.
You got things mixed up my friend. I think you need to re-read my post. Anyone who hands items that could provide power to someone just because the person asks should be lynched on the spot, imo. If someone earns a town read, that's a whole different story.
@Cerb - There's a difference between being on the defensive and being scummy. I didn't find the posts scummy when I re-read. When ABR was asking for support, my memory didn't like the posts. When I re-read them, I couldn't really find anything that was objectively scummy.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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In post 1259, Yosarian2 wrote:In post 1251, The Cool Cucumbers wrote:
peditx2: omg Yosarian, shut up. Does Drixx know you're town? No? Okay, so let's change what you said to what it actually means.
If you don't give rings to Yosarian, you are preventing a slot in this game of unknown alignment from gaining powers.
Yes. And unless Drixx thinks I'm scum (as in, Drixx is activly trying to lynch me right there) that would be an incredibly scummy think for Drixx to do. Roleblocking a claimed power role you're not sure of is obviously bad for the town. You do get that, right?
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In post 1263, Rylai and Lina wrote:In post 1260, Drixx wrote:Can you explain why you feel this way? I was looking for a reaction with that, and you bit hard. Explain?
you remember our claim? this adventure NOW is not in town interest. WE can tell that with our role pm (referring back to the part we have something related to MC thing and adventure stuff)
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Just because I didn't find anything objectively scummy in your ISO doesn't mean I trust you. You have the same status in my eyes as Yosarian2 right now. He's demanding that people just hand him power, and whinging that if we don't, we're being anti-town, as if the mod has showed up in the thread and told us he's town or something.
Oh ... and this is why I said lurking is particularly bad in this game. It's particularly difficult to get accurate reads on lurkers.
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In post 1269, Yosarian2 wrote:In post 1261, Drixx wrote:In post 1259, Yosarian2 wrote:In post 1251, The Cool Cucumbers wrote:
peditx2: omg Yosarian, shut up. Does Drixx know you're town? No? Okay, so let's change what you said to what it actually means.
If you don't give rings to Yosarian, you are preventing a slot in this game of unknown alignment from gaining powers.
Yes. And unless Drixx thinks I'm scum (as in, Drixx is activly trying to lynch me right there) that would be an incredibly scummy think for Drixx to do. Roleblocking a claimed power role you're not sure of is obviously bad for the town. You do get that, right?
Giving potential scum extra powers is bad.You do get that, right?
If someone claims a power role, you dont roleblock them. If you're sure they're scum, you lynch them. If you're unsure, you let them use their power and see what they do with it to get a better read on them.
It is never the right move to deny someone their role power just because you aren't sure.
But hey, do what you want. Just understand that if you don't give it me and come back tommorow with some "oh i just wasn't sure" bs, I'm going to have to assume you are scum.
Erm... seriously? You can claim anything you want. That doesn't make it true. I'm pretty sure you can use rings ... but what does that have to do with your alignment? Why should you automatically get them just because you claim being able to use them? That's completely nonsensical.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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In post 1272, Yosarian2 wrote:In post 1262, The Cool Cucumbers wrote:
pedit: Yosarian, you are creating a parallel where none exists. It's not like roleblocking you. It's like inventing to you. He wouldn't invent a power to someone he was uncertain of. He would only invent it to someone whose alignment he was very certain of.
That analogy does not work, because I'm the only one who can use them. It's an investment that costs nothing.
Cool. If nobody else claims being able to use rings, then it seems like as long as you don't scum yourself up, then you should get them. I don't believe you claimed exclusive use of rings prior to this post. If you did, I misread, and my bad. I doubt I'll get any rings, for whatever that's worth.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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If he's the only one who can use rings,and he doesn't scum up his slot, then there's no reason not to see what he does, yeah? That strikes me as a pretty good way to firm up a read in one direction or the other, in fact.
@R&L - Don't go all silent now. You claimed you knew the flavor names of some of town. There's zero reason to keep that to yourself. The people you name can claim or not claim. Like I said before, if we get two people claiming to be one of the characters you say is town, then we have a pretty good situation. We can testyou, and worst case with conflicting claims is a 1-for-1 trade, which I'm pretty sure is in our favor.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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I think unless the claimed people start getting scum read, then giving them what they ask for is more potential reward than risk, but I think it would be poor design for only town or only scum to be able to use stuff. Something to think about.
@Cerb - Wow you just keep on trying to put words in my mouth. You just earned my first scum lean read. Congratulations.
@Lowkey - So your assertion is that R&L is scum and will give fake names, and other scum will both claim a name, and we lynch one and then the other and R&L get town read? I'm not sure that logically follows. And I think it's up to the people who have those characters if/when they claim. My point is that I don't think there's any real up side to R&L keeping that info private. What if R&L get night killed and that info is redacted from their role card flip? The names themselves won't help scum in the least just by being said.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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I've figured out how the post tags get screwed up in the way that happened to Drunken Pirates. When you press the "Post" button while editing/composing a post, even though it doesn't show you, the forum assigns the thread you are in to that tag. So if you copy that text out into the game thread, it's not going to post the right thread link unless you do the post tags by hand instead of using the button. That's the only way I could get the wrong thread to show up using the [ post ] Post# [ / post ] approach.
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There's a whole lot of other context from the ongoing discussion. For example, I pointed out that lurkers and low content people are not good for this particular situation. The people claiming exclusive usage have an obligation to be engaged and (imo) to earn some trust. I'm not sure what exactly you're trying to nail down here.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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In post 1297, Lowkey wrote:
Yah, we're good here. Cheer up homie
@Lowkey - So your assertion is that R&L is scum and will give fake names, and other scum will both claim a name, and we lynch one and then the other and R&L get town read? I'm not sure that logically follows. And I think it's up to the people who have those characters if/when they claim. My point is that I don't think there's any real up side to R&L keeping that info private. What if R&L get night killed and that info is redacted from their role card flip? The names themselves won't help scum in the least just by being said.
If RL was scum, yes. That would be fucking genius and we'd lose the game quite literally at D1 and I'd totally do that as a gambit if I was scum here. I'm saying make the names private no matter what but perhaps don't have the named people claim just yet. I agree with you there. RL is town though so the information is good too. I don't think we should be using this info to verify their alignment, especially after what just happened. They are town.
I'm saying that putting the names out there is the optimal play. The people who have those characters can claim if and when they see fit. And you seem to have missed my point ... if they gave the names and suddenly we had two people claim the same name and we just happened to get scum with the first one we strung up, you wouldn't be at all suspicious that it might be a setup? I know I would.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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I don't like who I'm sharing vote space with.
Unvote
I still have a problem with DGB's low number of posts and unwarranted attacks on me. I still think there needs to be some explanation. I don't at all have any sort of town read on ZZZX.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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In post 1304, Drunken Pirates wrote:In post 1275, Drixx wrote:In post 1272, Yosarian2 wrote:In post 1262, The Cool Cucumbers wrote:
pedit: Yosarian, you are creating a parallel where none exists. It's not like roleblocking you. It's like inventing to you. He wouldn't invent a power to someone he was uncertain of. He would only invent it to someone whose alignment he was very certain of.
That analogy does not work, because I'm the only one who can use them. It's an investment that costs nothing.
Cool. If nobody else claims being able to use rings, then it seems like as long as you don't scum yourself up, then you should get them. I don't believe you claimed exclusive use of rings prior to this post. If you did, I misread, and my bad. I doubt I'll get any rings, for whatever that's worth.
yoyo has been screaming for items (rings) for quite some time now drixx!
You think? Did he claim he was the only one who could use them prior to that post? I didn't catch it if he did.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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By the way ... productive couple pages. Thinking through things instead of making a decision on the spot is way more optimal.
P-Edit: We're saying the same thing about the names, in different ways, Cerb. Obviously if R&L claim they have the name of confirmed town players, they should share those names. Whether those people are town or not depends a lot on P&R.
P-Edit2: Interesting point Titus. I suppose that's probably a good point. I'll think about it rather than accept it on the spot if that's okay with you? And thanks for clarifying what was obvious. I was just not going to reward Cerb with a response for being sarcastic with me.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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In post 1319, Rylai and Lina wrote:Drixx if we claim the names you will reconsider that adventure?
or is it already begun?
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Adventure begins at night. I'll be happy to reconsider.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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In post 1334, Drunken Pirates wrote:In post 1333, Sensei wrote:In post 1238, Drixx wrote: Like ... why are you guys debating whether that's a slip or not?
Because we aren't as smart as you and don't know how to differentiate between whether the post lead back to a scum topic or a hydra topic?
And after reading your post I still don't. lol
Directly. You can't. There is no technological way to verify our alignment. I made the PT in question. I made the post in question. I had three threads up at the time of drafting it. About midway through I got tired of putting [post] around everything.
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We've got a winner folks. Every link in that post is broken, so there is no "about midway through I got tired of putting [post] around everything", because the "post" button was used to generate the tag every time, or else that post would actually link to this thread at some point. There seems no reason to lie about this, so the question is why lie?
@Errant - I guess I'll go to Luminous and lift your post restriction. Seems like an actual tangible benefit vs. possibly nothing due to lack of party.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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ABR has a tendency to react harshly at first, and then come back and be rational later. This is not a pattern that is news to anyone who has played with him before. It's pretty much ingrained in how I view him and I don't think it's at all alignment indicative. I look at the things he says when he's not making his initial harsh reaction to figure him out. It might help if you viewed him through that lens Titus. Curious to see what you think. Don't ignore this.
There's a couple of really strange dynamics going on in this game right now, and I would kind of like to see some of the noise resolved. I think some of this is being fueled by old grudges and such, and that is throwing a lot of confusion into things. Every time I refresh I find myself spending a stupid amount of time reading my notes on this game and trying to work out all the interactions. Not enough reliable data points is obviously problem #1 on day one, but seriously ... some of this noise between various pairings has got to go. It's starting to feel like an intentional strategy at this point.
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I'm obviously removing your post restriction tonight EP. Like ... there's literally no reason for me to do anything else.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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Oh ... Errant, CC, DP and probably ABR or Sensei if I had to decide right now.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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Take note of the really weak reasons to throw shade on me being thrown around. Great stuff to come back to later. Make a note folks.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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In post 1666, Drunken Pirates wrote:Ok, this is going to nag me and nag me. I know Mollie wanted me to slow down but....
Drixx why did you ignore out response after making a big deal about us not ignoring you in 1614.
*hides*
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Hey. While you are all busy shitting on my play (which I self admit is poor on day one) ... maybe you could like go against the rules for how long time players on this site treat newer join dates by default and like ... I dunno ... give me some tips on how to expand my game so that I'm at least marginally better than useless on day one?Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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In post 1627, Drunken Pirates wrote:In post 1614, Drixx wrote:ABR has a tendency to react harshly at first, and then come back and be rational later. This is not a pattern that is news to anyone who has played with him before. It's pretty much ingrained in how I view him and I don't think it's at all alignment indicative. I look at the things he says when he's not making his initial harsh reaction to figure him out. It might help if you viewed him through that lens Titus. Curious to see what you think. Don't ignore this.
There's a couple of really strange dynamics going on in this game right now, and I would kind of like to see some of the noise resolved. I think some of this is being fueled by old grudges and such, and that is throwing a lot of confusion into things. Every time I refresh I find myself spending a stupid amount of time reading my notes on this game and trying to work out all the interactions. Not enough reliable data points is obviously problem #1 on day one, but seriously ... some of this noise between various pairings has got to go. It's starting to feel like an intentional strategy at this point.
More thoughts later. It's 5am and I need to go put the coffee on.
While I disagree on the "be rational later bit", there is absolutely a harshness missing from ABR's game. He's not being aggressive with us at all. I know that seems contradictory with what I just said, but I am talking intellectually aggressive. ABR usually tries to smack me over the head and say 2 plus 2 equals 4 and why can't you see this. Vote this person. Here it's all "Titus protect me from big bad Mollie" and you've been wrong before so why not here?
I do agree that it's a strategy to get ABR townread and I see the pieces in that direction laying out there. The question is why? That's how I feel anyway. CoolDog, Klingoncelt, myself, and I think a few others have seen the weird interactions this game. CoolDog said it best when he asked, how is ABR the leading MC when there are other, less dramatic and more obvtown choices available?
Nothing in this game is based on personal grudges. If it were, you would find me alone on an island with these feelings being chocked up to nothing more than Titusonian MOONLOGIC (not the crumbing kind). My townreads, almost universally, see there's something rotten in ABR's company, even if they townread ABR himself.
Personal grudges is the argument ABR is using to avoid addressing my finer points. It's one of those things scum or derp town repeat because they want it to be true. I used this tactic to great effect when I was scum with Shiro in Nethersprite's game, particularly on the last day. I kept repeating that Shiro was confirmed town because she stopped the scum kill. There was another reason, but I did not want anyone looking.
Are your dynamics issues the same ones I am seeing? If not, which interactions are you seeing that are funny?
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There are actually several interactions that are bothering me. I can't seem to make any logical sense out of them. You and ABR is just one. If you're really not picking up on some of the other ones, I can try and eke out some time to do a quote wall and show you what's screwing with me.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!-
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In post 1673, Yosarian2 wrote:In post 1639, The Cool Cucumbers wrote:
Yosarian: Earlier you said you found it suspect that 1) I questioned giving abilities to unknown quantities, and 2) I refused to offer up reads without consulting with my other head. With regards to 1, I maintain that your comparison of my words to "roleblocking someone you're not scumreading"(phrasing mine, I did not double check what he said exactly, but that was the intent of his phrasing) is deceptive, and such willful repetition of something which is clearly false strikes me as an attempt to create a negative consensus on my slot without having to outright attack us.
It's not at all deceptive.
In a logical sense, there is absolutly zero difference between "not giving person X a power" and "taking a power away from person X". They are exactally the same thing, in every single way.
There is a common logical error people make, called the "endowment effect" or "divestiture aversion", that makes people much more averse to "losing something they have" then "not gaining something they don't have", even in situations where those two things are functionally identical. However, that is a complete illusion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endowment_effect
And I feel like you were deliberately playing on that logical fallacy in order to try to manipulate Draxx in order to act in a way that would have hurt the town if he'd fallen for it. That was anti-town behavior on your part.
You're muddying the issue with the "other head" thing. Doesn't have anything to do with that. If you were trying to convince Draxx to not give me rings *because you think I'm scum*, that would make more sense to me. But it didn't look like that. You were just trying to use bad logic and emotional manipulation to make him make a bad choice, even though you weren't even trying to attack me at all, in any way, and never had at any point this game.
I'm sorry, but your behavior there was both anti-town and scummy. I thought you were town-ish earlier, but now you're all the way back to "null". The only reason that you're not "scummy" is because I haven't figured out if you were doing it on purpose or not. However, you were arguing REALLY hard there for someone with no apparent stake in the matter.
Giving power to an unknown, regardless of whether or not said power is usable by anyone else, is stupid.
"Not giving a one shot power to person X" is EXACT ALLY THE SAME as "roleblocking person X who has claimed a power role". In mechanical terms, there is NO difference, at all. Either way, the result is "player X would have been able to take action Y on night Z, and now he can not".
I apologize in advance for responding to something you directed at someone else. And thanks for the knowledge bomb and everything but ... you're falling into a fallacy of your own here. It is actually quite desirable to deny extra abilities to scum. It is quite desirable to "essentially roleblock" scum.
Please note: I haven't said you're scum. I simply haven't gotten a clean town read off of you yet. Also, this post I quoted from you makes me realize what it must feel like for most people to deal with me.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!