BLOODBORNE MAFIA - GAME OVER

[Rylai and Lina]

ok Ignore me for a while. just keep interacting with others and do something.

I'm really not trying to kill you... opposite... I'm just opening new windows to see you as town if you really are.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

@Fire assassin

I was thinking about it and something occurred to me

why you asked me specifically about the target thing? why you didn't ask mixed6 or RI? and your not worried about Randomidget the one your voting for huntsman?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

This almost seems like a "I am sorry I have to push on you, because I am scum"
Post.....

Or maybe just like "This isn't personal"

now I started to really be bothered.

You are literally just throwing dirt at me and changing my posts to interpret them as scum.

Your behavior is not going to be tolerated nicely

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

This is the problem I am going to layout with you two. I am leaning town on Shiro half of the hydra, though I am suspicious as hell of the Frozen half, so that gives me a null basically. So I don't really want you two in a position of power with huntsmaster thing.

Not happening.

you say your worry about us getting killed

and you say that you don't trust us.

you literally are just trying to poke me with empty "I don't trust you" posts and role fishing.

This is not the town FB I know

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

I am not as worried about random as you tbh.

your not worried about him being killed and your town reading him that hard that your voting him as huntmaster.

I'm really confused Fire.

whats in your mind?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

I will talk with shiro about why he is town reading you.

Your posts are just awful

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

how you even received what you wrote from that image?

its saying "welcome to real life, it sucks. you will like it" . how you translated this to "sorry for pushing you?"

I want a clear answer or I will vote you for just this

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

This is the problem I am going to layout with you two. I am leaning town on Shiro half of the hydra, though I am suspicious as hell of the Frozen half, so that gives me a null basically. So I don't really want you two in a position of power with huntsmaster thing.

Not happening.

you say your worry about us getting killed

and you say that you don't trust us.

you literally are just trying to poke me with empty "I don't trust you" posts and role fishing.

This is not the town FB I know

~Rylai

There is basically 0 meta here. your actions are awful and your meta is good so I'm gonna push you for your awful actions.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

I am not worried about you guys getting night killed and never said that thing. Where are you getting that.

are you kidding me? what was the whole point of "why your making yourself a high target at night by candidating for huntmaster" thing all about then?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

god fb

your just making up stuff. Trying to throw doubts about me in thread without making any points. yes I posted a friendly gif which I will do whenever I like and I explained what it was meaning and In my opinion its fairly obvious what it means. saying its just manipulating tool becuase its friendly is BSing around.

No understanding the power of my vote is non of your business , The fact I will be targeted at night or not and I will live it or not is non of your business. I won't claim to just make you satisfied. Trying to understand my role in day 1 even if you scumreading me is just scummy af. Your asking details about my role that I won't claim unless at L1.

Your posts are awful from the core becuase their hypocritical and dishonest.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

I am not worried about you guys getting night killed and never said that thing. Where are you getting that.

are you kidding me? what was the whole point of "why your making yourself a high target at night by candidating for huntmaster" thing all about then?

~Rylai

You are assuming things.
First off, you assumed that Huntmaster is a high profile target and everyone agreed on this.
I never said this or agreed on it.
Then you assume because of that me voting Randommidget means taht I want him to be targetted/nk? Or assume he might fall victim to it?

First of that was Varsoon sentence that the game is balanced over the fact that huntmaster is a high value target. Go read the setup before starting role fishing for it.

And second you asked why I'm putting my life in danger with candidating , but your never shared your concern about any other candidates. I'm simply saying that its very picky and I doubt its an honset attempt to just figure things out.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

Your posts are awful from the core becuase their hypocritical and dishonest.

Explain the hypocrisy or dishonesty here. I get you think I am just throwing shade on you, but how does that make me "hypocritical"?

I already explained it. open your eyes boy.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

There is basically 0 meta here. your actions are awful and your meta is good so I'm gonna push you for your awful actions.

~Rylai

How can you say this when you literally said "This is not the Town Fire I now" that implicitly implies meta, and you have placed meta else where in regards to my actions.

I'm scumreading you for your antitown play here.

and your meta simply confirms that you never play this antitown as town.

thats the meta part of it. if its not making sense to you then call it meta , I don't care.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

If you think I am being dishonest, hypocritical, and just trying to make you look shady. Where is the vote?

this is a hydra acc

i never vote without talking with shiro first unless I know that he already agrees with me.

simple as that.

and your just scummy. I'm still trying to understand if your just mind locked anti town now or your scum

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

There is 0 hypocrisy being explained to me.

I'm going to quote it and your going to be sorry.

are you ready ?

@Fire assassin

I was thinking about it and something occurred to me

why you asked me specifically about the target thing? why you didn't ask mixed6 or RI? and your not worried about Randomidget the one your voting for huntsman?

~Rylai

This is the problem I am going to layout with you two. I am leaning town on Shiro half of the hydra, though I am suspicious as hell of the Frozen half, so that gives me a null basically. So I don't really want you two in a position of power with huntsmaster thing.

Not happening.

you say your worry about us getting killed

and you say that you don't trust us.

you literally are just trying to poke me with empty "I don't trust you" posts and role fishing.

This is not the town FB I know

~Rylai

I am not as worried about random as you tbh.

your not worried about him being killed and your town reading him that hard that your voting him as huntmaster.

I'm really confused Fire.

whats in your mind?

~Rylai

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

I honestly only think you only read me as scum because I am pushing you.

I don't care what you think.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

I'm going to quote it and your going to be sorry.

are you ready ?

I think you misunderstand hypocrisy.....because me asking you questions and wanting answers is different from not asking the same of other players....

I think you meant I am putting double standards on players or something?
That isn't even remotely same as hypocrisy.

Your hippocratic in treating with other players about your confusions about setup

your hippocratic in explaining why your role fishing me.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

I honestly only think you only read me as scum because I am pushing you.

I don't care what you think.

~Rylai

Well I like you.

Seriously you give me a little town vibe in your push but its so screwed up that I can't imagine you do this anti town play as town. I don't care about being questioned but your not attacking me or my cases. Your attacking my role function . then you come in and saying I'm just being manipulative when i'm posting friendly gif's.

your making no sense

~rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

and the point is you have no idea about my role sinsce its day 1 so your just making no sense

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

I'm not sure about your retreat here?

You posted no case against me , Just thrown some dirt here and you want to delay it?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

not letting you to just leave the conversation.

If you have something against me bring it

or if your not going to do that at least explain what is in your mind

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

Its not a retreat. Us fighting anymore is going to clutter up the day chat and just be making noise at this point. I am going to review you tomorrow.

what about this conversation is noise?

You said you think I'm scum and you can't back it up. I want you to back it up know.

I have no idea about the mechanics of this setup so I'm definietly not agreed with letting you to delay this conversation. Not sure what are you achieving here.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

I' not turning it into "he said she said" I'm just simply answering the dirt you throw at my slot and your hypocritical role fhishing attempts. don't attempt to make this personal becuase its not.

I want to know why you asked that question from my slot and none of other candidates and what kind answer you were expecting from it.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

and good night,

not satisfied with your reaction here.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

actually meta wise this is the exact replica of the s-fm scum games of yours that we played in Sc2 (which I'm not sure I can put a link down to it as its offsite?)

You made a garbage push on me. I caught you on it. you retreated and hammered your scum mate to end the discussion faster. I died that night and you end gamed. I never saw you delaying your scumread as town.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

That's what I mean when I said Shinobi posts are very less weighted. he says his reads but there is no thought process there so they feel really fake.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

That was obviously a joke,

there is no gladiate ability named gladiate in a heavy themed setup like this.

and I agree. Shinobi reaction to that was awful.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

no not fake becuase the gladiate.

its becuase he just saw himself in agreement with scumreading there right after someone else made a case - and it was like taking the same position he got when he though I day vigged him. he was just putting a safety spot there for himself.

thats how I thought about it.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

why is that slot in your top three scumreads?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

whats your read about their catchup post?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

I won't wagon a lurker when there are some scummy leads around.

I said that to show them their inactivity won't be tolerated well and see them more involved which worked pretty well.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

@Sensei please get more involved.

whats up?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

catching up now!

whats up?

Been busy.
And wondering why shadow hasn't been lynched yet.

what was your read on his responses?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

Sensei is p much playing how he did in Space Dandy 2 so i'm cool with him for now.

Its not how he played in Saga though

maybe becuase he was outed innocent by us there.



~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

D&D, why are you acting like you don't have a vote? Just because your name isn't there, Varsoon confirmed it will benefit you the same way a normal vote would, and it seems to be counting the same as a normal vote. Therefore, your opinions are worth exactly as much as anyone elses. Also, and you don't need to answer this because it might be a dumb thing to reveal, but for future hunting party composition it might be important: can you other weapons/items to vote? Feel free to not answer, but think about it, cuz if you can never provide more than 1 vote worth of power to a party, that means we need to make sure we don't risk going on a hunt at a higher level with you as part of the party.

do you have a certainty that voting power is related to facing dunagan's?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

What differences do you see? You think those differences are explained by being confirmed there?

he was extremely more involved , and half of the cases was in his hands.

I guess that was becuase of that trust everyone had on him and his double hammer voting power -made him feel more responsible maybe? -

not sure

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

Hi.

I'm going to continue to be useless, change my vote without reason, and not worry about being lynched today for either of these.

Unvote;
Vote: Bogre

Carry on.

answer the questions that has been asked from you.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

This game has too much low hanging fruit. Bogre, H&M, toog, pv, and now this new hydra. All apparently mislynch bait, either based on their past play, or simply because they're not giving anyone any reason to town read them.

This concerns me. They can't all be bad scum. :/

-Cerb

The posts like this concerns me about you cerb.

I don't like the way you just come and mark all the main wagons of game as "lynch bait" and while your pushing them too , trying to make a bad feeling about pushing them. This kind of behavior is "pre flip sympathy" and make me feel you have pre flip knowledge about the pushes.

I like your response to this

~Rylai

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where is ABR ? I like to see his reads and push.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

what is your prefered hunting party as it stands now?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

Shiro loves to see us as huntmaster and we agreed that he can advertise that for us without me getting involved with it.

so I will freely do my scum hunt and won't participate in this political games. (I just never been participated in any kind of elections in my whole life even in games so this is pretty not my style)

and I simply trust myself more for obvious reasons. I have no experiance with you and ABR is not around so much.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

Bloodletter : Fire Assassin

if this is the way you want to explain your case to me or delay the conversation about it , so be it.

not wasting more time in interacting with you.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

Shiro has a town read on you becuase of the way you vote and play, he called you a "not giving a fuck town"

but hell with it. Your play make no sense from town you.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

oh so clever! so you understand this?

what was the whole lets put aside this case for today thing then?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

Instead of throwing more shade and acting like "F u all , you are all scum" start interacting with me.

This is lets see , the last chance I'm giving you.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

Your play doesn't make much sense.
You're just getting emotional and expect me to townread you based of what?

tell me what about my play make no sense to you?

and what about my play is emotional?

and when I asked you to townread me?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

Stop saying "Throwing shade" I swear its really starting to bother me.
I don't say that you are throwing shade when you say I am playing anti town or that my play makes no sense.

You take everything so personal that its becoming impossible to read you and I honestly want to replace out, because of it.
I am trying to be civil with you.

I am not taking anything personal

this is my last warning to you to stop interpreting everything like that. I'm simply scrum reading you for your play and the fact your showing it other wise is not helping that at all.

I like you as person and I like you play generally. these stuff have no relation to this.

and yes I claimed your just winning about the game state and never actually explain your points. your just trying to make people feel bad about me without telling anything to be discussed. thats what I call throwing shade and it is indeed.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

Your play doesn't make much sense.
You're just getting emotional and expect me to townread you based of what?

tell me what about my play make no sense to you?

and what about my play is emotional?

and when I asked you to townread me?

~Rylai

You obviously expect everyone to townread you, and not question you heavily or pressure you on anything.
This isn't news.

worst answer

my vote remains.

even if you don't get lynched today I will make sure that you don't endgame this.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

I was calling them scummy at the same time you were pushing me

hell I was calling your push scummy

am I not allowed to scum read whoever start pushing me?! is this a law?

and nah the meta your bringing is simply wrong. take saga for example. I was town reading ABR when he was pushing me.
or do i need to go on my games 1 by 1 ?

I rarely (saying this again) rarely scum read people who pressure me. and whenever I did the person was scum.

so have fun

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

worst answer

my vote remains.

even if you don't get lynched today I will make sure that you don't endgame this.

~Rylai

Good I hope if you have a night kill, you kill me.

will you choose death over fighting a 1v1 on the person you call scum ?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

@Fire my play and case on you is logically strong . Your try for appealing to emotion and interpreting it as baseless - not logical emotional push is scummy.

and I'm really don't see why should you be frustrated with me answering your case? if you beleive you can't answer my cases don't do it.

I'm simply asking what is the thing you have against me. what is so emotional about it?

you said 3 things. I asked you about them. You just said I'm doing that in all my games

don't expect me to consider you town after all this.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

This isn't a scenario where I bring up meta to call you scum/town. I am not bringing in examples, anyone who has played with you can know this is true. I honestly most of the time don't pressure you because I know your reaction will be to scumread and push on me. I told the host in S-FM Decisions "Frozen is 100% going to call me scum and push on me" immediately before I started pressuring you.

I can argue all day, but its only going to lower my happiness.

I'm claiming I understand a logical push that is intended to sort me from just throwing dirt. you were scum there and you throw dirt so I caught you.

Your basically doing it again here. if you are town show that to me instead of just considering my fight back as emotional outbreak.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

Your play doesn't make much sense.
You're just getting emotional and expect me to townread you based of what?

tell me what about my play make no sense to you?

and what about my play is emotional?

and when I asked you to townread me?

~Rylai

waiting for an answer on these three , anytime you started playing.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

Shut up fire

just don't say a word

I will never play with you again.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

I'm that angry that I can't even type anything anymore

go to hell.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

This conversation is over

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

and this is emotional

yes sure it is.

shame on you for cornering me like that and accusing me for being emotionally manipulative after all the effeort I put in changing my play. whatever you are , town or scum I'm done with you.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

I was fucking trying to engage with you and all you tell me is "Frozen is scum , I can't say anything about it! I won't talk about the points she responded about it"

and your accusing me for being emotional in engaging with you?

You made this thing personal. now get of this game. I want to see your apology after this whatever you are

UNVOTE:

[Rylai and Lina]

Fire please don't leave



I wanna play with you D:
~Lina

[Rylai and Lina]

I was about to state that I'm replacing out of the game , that shiro reminded me the promise I made to him to finish this game together (as I got force replaced from our first game and site banned during the second one.)

Anyway I need a break from this game. Shiro head is in charge for a while.

bye

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

Yo Wgeurts we need to vote this ^^^

You would be mistaken if you did

~Shiro

[Rylai and Lina]

Im starting this wagon
VOTE: Rylai and Lina
Join me?

Good luck with that buddy. Because your amazing Case of quoting one of FA post when she was emotional and then voting will garner the masses.

Oh wait...

~Lina

[Rylai and Lina]

catching up. I wasn't here two days and only 4 new pages content has been made. this means the top posters and the people who won't let the game stall are not doing their usual job.

Bloodletter : Fire Assassin

if this is the way you want to explain your case to me or delay the conversation about it , so be it.

not wasting more time in interacting with you.

~Rylai

Tempted to ask, but I'm not going to.
But if the effect of this vote modifier is what I think it is then you're not doing much with it voting all by yourself. I could come join you, but it's still too early into the day for compromises. I think I will sit on it and go get a couple more hours of sleep (Just 4 hours of sleep just isn't me at all)

I really doubt you can guess what is it.

~Rylai

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You're just getting emotional and expect me to townread you based of what?

Sorry to interfere, but where has Frozen got emotional in this game??? I haven't seen her more composed in some time!

A question he never answered to. no matter how many time I asked him that.

~Rylai

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Did you not read page 65 almost?

oh I'm sorry? Is my anger unreasonable? Am I not allowed to be angry about being cornered and accused for being Emotionally manipulative when all I'm doing is asking him to explain to me where ever did I push him becuase he scum readed me?

My points stands and he even confessed to some of them.

He admitted he was role fishing.
He admitted that he was emotional in engaging with me
He admitted there is nothing about me to explain

and all he was doing was to cast out "I can't convince you that your scum". "Fuck you frozen for engaging with me" and "You emotional Bitch. "

I am not sorry for getting angry about this. I still don't took anything personally but I have words with him about his play as eaither alignment.

~Rylai

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Chill. Your hands need to be stable when you take that picture of my preferred little angel to Email me. I want a clear shot of a her face with a BIG SMILE on it. (Just get her to loom at my avatar and she WILL laugh)

I'll send you one

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

Umm, you got emotional in the exchange with Fire Assassin . That's what he was obviously referring to, since, ya know, that's the person in question. Who has since replaced out of this game because of your play.

I'm really irritated that you just brought this crap up again. He replaced out, his replacement hasn't done anything yet, let's fucking move on.

-Cerb

No I didn't. And I don't care if he got replaced out or not. I had no part in his frustration about me and no I don't understand what about me asking questions about him and talking about them is emotional outbreak.

He was claiming I'm scum and he couldn't back it up. I asked him to back it up or stop it. he accused me of emotional out rage and brought up my meta and replaced out.

I count that NAI and I still think his play make no sense as town.

and I don't care if talking about that slot is irritating or not but I have a scum read there and I won't back of becuase of a drama theater.

~Rylai

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I insulted him and asked him to shut up , and I got emotionally frustrated after his last posts and I attacked him and his game play and I'm sorry for that,

but omitting that I had no part in his frustration and his repeatedly accusing me for emotionally pushing his is scummy.

~Rylai

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Bogre and Patches are the only people with votes in a position to potentially be lynched that I am scum reading. Since no one wants to vote Patches, I'm switching to Bogre who has a greater chance of being lynched.

yeah this is a good place to pressure.

his early posts sucks and he wasn't around sinsce.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

You are expecting me to move my vote around a lot in order to engage/put pressure on/get reactions from people. Unfortunately, I just don't have that kind of time right now.

sorry for expecting you to play the game.

next time we won't ask that from a player.

is there any thing you wanna talk about / discuss / push / mention / vote / pressure or do anything about in general?

~Rylai

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The way I understand the Dungeon thing, it is quite possible to fail. Each member of the team can help the mission to succeed apparently. This is the first mission, so I'd like to keep the team intact until it's over, just to be on the safe side.

Do I townread my entire party? Let's just say I have some doubts.

Yes I picked them, not randomly, before the game started.

whats your doubts about the people in your party?

what is your read on each one of them. I guess you promised that you will share a detail read on each way before?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

Klingon's scumread on me is awful and he could def be worried about me going after their scumreads.
RI

You say all three players I picked are Scum.

All three.

Again, yes they were chosen before gamestart, but

all three

?

What are the odds I'd choose 3 Scums?

when did he say that all 3 of the members in your party are all scum together?

oh and if he is saying that and he is scumreading you ; what about it make no sense to you?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

Hello all, I haven't read this unfortunately.
Is there anything I should be specifically looking at?

Can someone give me a quick summary of events.

hi!

I scum read your slot becuase of the last person who was in your slot attempted to role fish , advertising that I'm scum without ever engaging , delaying the conversation about his reads with me like the way he did in a scum game of his and accusing me for just omgusing him and being emotionally involved in scum reading him.

Shiro the other head of this hydra , believes that his behavior was coming from a "not giving a fuck town" who has no way to be scum becuase of that replace out.

I really like to see your reads on my slot , KC party , the huntmaster votes and the wagons on Shadow and Bogre and shinobi.

I know its a real hard thing to ask for you to read all the 70 pages today but I really appreciate to see your catch up asap

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

Im starting this wagon
VOTE: Rylai and Lina
Join me?

Seems bad.
Explain?

Also I'm going to be afk until tonight.

Im starting this wagon
VOTE: Rylai and Lina
Join me?

What is the case?

I'm reading both of these as scum reactions. both feel fake and opportunistic specially shodow's way of responding.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

I still really like a shadow lynch. Would lynch Xk but it doesn't seem to have the support atm. Could also do bogre.

Yume's replacement do anything yet? Because the sheer lack of presence across two different personalities is making me feel like that could be a scumslot.

Should be around more starting tomorrow.

Your one of the inactive slots in this game and this concerns me becuase you were a leader in Saga,

Be here starting today please and start doing stuff.

who is in Yume's slot anyway? I forgot that slot totally...

~Rylai

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@cerb show me where I was pushing him based on emotional rage.

and explain to me his repeatedly questions about my abilities and their effects.

cause i asked him and I never received a satisfying response.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

Cerb, let me be clear, I don't want you to make a list. Nahdia has given hers and now I am looking forward to Frozen's.

I'm working on it. I need to catch up completly

cerb's posts are long and this take me a while.

~Rylai

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and I'm not scumreading him for his role fish. I said I beleive this make no sense as town him. I'm sure you can understand the difference cerb.

and You really don't call that play anti town?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

going to split up your posts and answer them part part (hard to answer them in whole part in my mobile phone)

I'm not sure what response you want me to give to this? You know how I feel about feelings. I don't like them. So, umm, x makes you feel y doesn't do anything for me. I'm stating facts about those slots. Slots that don't engage with the game, as those slots aren't(for the most part) are extremely hard to accurately read, and extremely likely to cause a loss in LYLO if they live that long. It's dumb to just go lynching them all willy-nilly though, because it's unlikely they're all(or even *mostly*) scum, cuz math, but if we don't deal with them, they'll just always be...there, unreadable and problematic.

as I said this multiple times in different game I do beleive that this is no game of chess to just be played with consideration of logic, I'm sure the emotional part of the game has a very deep influence on it becuase its a game that the pawnes are human so even if you think emotions are crap , answer to my questions about your feelings becuase they tell me stuff that you even though your considering them crap , I consider them information.

so you were saying as they are lurkers they have a decent chance to be town but they must die even though their low hanging fruits becuase their influence in late game?

~Rylai

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Also, for the record, the main wagons of the game have been shinobi and shadow_step. So it's rather disingenuous of you to suggest that I'm actually dissuading any wagons that are actually being actively pushed to any strong degree. In addition, the fact that I want H&M dead at this stage in the game, in spite of including them in that list, is something you should THINK about more, rather than just assuming there's some sort of scum motivation. There's a reason why I am pushing that SPECIFIC slot in this game, among the group of lurky mclurkers: Elbirn was the scum partner of one of the heads in the last game we played(thus, I'd be willing to bet he'll be able to pick up on tonal differences between the way the HD head posted in their scum PT, and the way he posted in the main game), and because of my limited experience with both heads, among EVERYONE who is being lurky, they are the ones whose posting style is most likely to lead to actual content when they respond, whether they're scum or not. If they're town, they'll throw out real commentary about things. If they're scum, because it's what they'd do as town, they'll still throw out lengthy commentary, which is helpful whenever they flip.

let me requete the post in question again :

This game has too much low hanging fruit. Bogre, H&M, toog, pv, and now this new hydra. All apparently mislynch bait, either based on their past play, or simply because they're not giving anyone any reason to town read them.

This concerns me. They can't all be bad scum. :/

-Cerb

you called Bogre , H&M , toog , PV and I'm not sure why you added the new hydra there. all 4 are being stated as a concern from at least 1/3 of the players. the only wagons that are not your list are Shadow and Shinobi which is weird becuase Shadow was lurking as well and You never directly stated that your scumreading Shinobi.

My point here is more about H&M that your hydra is the one who was pushing it. calling your push a push on a low hanging fruit is a deep emotional play that is concerning me.

~Rylai

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Meh. Okay.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bogre

UNVOTE:
VOTE: shadow

I can see shinobi and Bogre scum together. I can see scum distancing (remembering that weird ? in his list after Bogre name)

If you really scum read him talk about him. what is stopping you?

~Rylai

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Frozen, I don't have feelings about mafia. Its a dumb game that, like most games, isn't most worth emotional involvement. I guess I get irritated at people being dumb. I guess earlier I was sad about the fire assassin thing and disgusted at your attitude about it. I can't understand just not caring at all about having a negative impact on someone else's enjoyment. If I were emotional in mafia I'd want to lynch you for that, and that alone.

I'm not though, and don't have enough of a read on your slot to make that decision at this time.

not even close to what I said. I'm sure you didn't understood me at all.

I never said that emotional cases or attacking someone with emotional rage is a valid move here which makes the game unsatisfiable for everyone. I said considering how are people feeling while their posting and how are they trying to make others feel about their actions is a valid tell in mafia and has a place in game.

regarding to Fire assassin I repeatedly asked him to don't interpret my push on him personally and engage with me and to be honest i'm really angry and sad about his replace out and the fact I acted so harsh at the end with him but I strongly believe and I'm sure about it that i did nothing wrong during the time I was engaging with him. I did my best to stop him from taking everything personally and calling my push emotional which made that stupid fight.

I won't town read him for that and i won't let anyone advertise that as a town move (in any kind ) as well. for example you blaming me for what happened is what I call a try for making him look more town that i don't like at all. as I repeatedly told , I'm sorry for the last posts to him but I'm not sorry about how I felt and how I reacted and How I engaged becuase i did a pretty good job in just focusing on game and he failed.

and what is keeping you from having a read on my slot?

~Rylai

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I've explained this three times and even had a back and forth over three pages long about this.
You have 0 reason not to understand it.

all is there in your Iso is "I think bogre is scum too" or "I guess Bogre can be scum too" which indicates you don't trust that slot

which is exactly my point. your indicating that you don't trust that slot but your not saying why or how much is this untrust that is stopping you from voting them and you prefer to vote shadow for

Shadow - for rehashing poor reasoning on his prime wagon, having a provably fake townread, and generally just being useless

what about Bogre is less concerning?

~Rylai

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In 352 you voted shadow out of nowhere. You never mentioned him before. I still give you the benefit of the doubt that it was merely to prompt him and ask for his reads and more participation, but that vote is still there despite the fact he did provide some reads and got engaged more

Explain why you voted Shadow_Step in 352 but never mentioned him BEFORE nor AFTER that until 781 where you STILL didn't justify your vote on him.

He was in my list of people that were doing/accomplishing very little. He seemed like he was just doing whatever early on (RE: his RVS vote which took forever to change and his questioning on Zulfy self-voting which isn't really relevant wrt anything) and as soon as I picked him out, he responded with some lame point about how we shouldn't lynch inactives because we don't get anything out of it.

Since I tried talking to him a grand total of one time he's done nothing but try to throw shade on me using the laughably weak points from earlier which aren't relevant along with a bunch of other random, unexplained reads.

As for Bogre, I made a few posts on him beforehand and I fully explained my read on him here.

ok sorry. I missed this one. I like your answer here.

~Rylai

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I'm literally null on half of the players in this game. I don't like to advance this to a night phase without see them posting.

@Varsoon Bogre , H & M and so many slots are comletly inactive here. May I ask to increase the prod ratio ?

~Rylai

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We are all waiting for your list.

As it stands I am ok with a lynch on Bogre , Shadow and Fire assassin slot but I want to see his replacement activity.

~Rylai

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I want to see Fire Assassin replacement catch up though.

~Rylai

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<3 ok

~Rylai

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This is the problem with you FA. I don't make emotional plays. It's absolutely foreign to me. I've said this to you repeatedly, in multiple games, and in all of them but one I was town. Your method of attaching emotional impact and significance to posts simply doesn't work when it comes to my posts. I'll address this again momentarily.

There is no problem with me in this case. we can simply agree to disagree about this topic.

I used that tool in multiple games and in all of them even the one you were scum I was right.

~Rylai

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Alright, back to what I was talking about Frozen. I completely understand what you're saying. My point is I believe you, and everyone else who thinks they can deeply understand another persons emotional state and use it to somehow determine their alignment and sincerity in spite of the knowledge that people will be actively working to obfuscate that same information, are massively overestimating your own capabilities.

People are fucking complex. For example, there is NO WAY you could EVER properly evaluate my emotional state based on text alone. I deliberately and effortlessly appear emotional for emphasis and until I explain that, most people just accept it as being a legitimate show of emotion.

THAT is why emotion has no place in the game. Unless the person in question has the emotional maturity and self control of a rather small child, it's going to be useless. Any success you may have from it, will be of the crap shoot variety.

The point is I don't care if you beleive me or not or you think there is only a logical aspect in this game like so many other people.

I simply think your wrong and I have no intention in proving that to you! Its just like to the fact that i think whoever is just interpreting the game by gut reads and their feelings are simply wrong.

I'm simply have a unique way of playing that I can prove is way way way way more accurate than both of the above at this point with all the games I played so far.

If you think there is no way for understanding emotions and you consider everyone as same in this ability your just being blind.

and again to my point we can simply agree to disagree.

~Rylai

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That's the thing though. There was nothing insincere about anything I said prior to your exit from that game. *shrug* I could go look back at the game, but it's probably not worth it when you're going to continue to believe what you believe.

I'm simply trying to help you stop misinterpreting my actions and their intent because you somehow think you understand me. You don't.

-Cerb

I'm trying to understand you better when i'm asking question or accusing you to doing something. their not always the way i'm thinking about you right now.

so the best way for you is to just answer what I'm asking you and cooperate instead of just trying to prove my methods won't work

~Rylai

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Now, regading the game relevance, this has come up twice now: you attributed an EMOTIONAL PLAY to someone who you should have realized NEVER does things with an emotional basis. Remove that "deeply emotional play" thought about the H&M post. What do you have left? Tell me your thoughts on it when you take a step outside of yourself and your emotional focus, and just look at the words alone. Look at it the way I look at everything.

The second time is right now. I don't care how you feel about *anything*. I'm telling you I'm disgusted by the post where you told him to get out of this game etc. That's all. It has nothing to do with anyones alignment. I don't expect you to care how I feel about your actions(because you shouldn't imo, the only person who can judge you, is you).

Now, was his behavior pro-town? Absolutely not. Obviously. Was it scummy? No. You were two people engaging in a moment of idiocy together.

I'm saying if your point of view was that he is scum , you advertising that slot is just a low hanging fruit make no sense to me. I feel a little amount of hypocrisy and a huge amount of emotional manipulation becuase you right on both points (that H&M did nothing in game and they are a low hanging fruit) but I can't see a human being considering both at the same time and choosing the pushing way unless they have a higher agenda for doing that.

And I don't care about the fact you don't care about my feelings about anything! I will say them whenever they occur.

regarding The Fire Assassin , I didn't never ask him to leave the game before he asked to replace out and I never said I'm frustrated with you or I'm angry with you before he started to saying "I can't convince you that your scum" instead of answering me. So I guess I don't care about you being disgusted with me. both of those points stands. I simply hate that play and i won't play with him again (at least for a while) and I really wanted him gone after that replace out post and the way he was playing. be disgusted. I don't care.

I'm sorry for saying "Please shut up" or stuff like that though.

I'm saying his previous activity for interpreting all my points as an emotional rage and marking them Bullshit without responding them is scummy. Its like the third time i'm asking you about this and your branching back to his replace out. was this scummy or not?

and you claimed his role fishing wasn't scummy. wasn't it anti town though? whats your opinion about his play till that point? and don't branch back to the end point again please.

~Rylai

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This is a dumb distraction. It's not actually accomplishing anything in the game. Maybe you could actually do what I asked?

(I never said everyone's ability was the same. I said all of you are overestimating yourselves, and none of you are that capable. There is a significant difference between those two points, though the relevant thing for mafia is that no matter how capable you actually are, it's simply NOT good enough, and you are fooling yourself if you think any differently. Which is something you're allowed to do. Everyone is allowed to delude themselves.)

sure stop talking about it and it will be disappeared from game. your continuing to push this not me. I simply said we can agree to disagree.

~Rylai

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When you say "x is y" regarding my play, when I KNOW that you are wrong, I'm going to tell you you're wrong FA. Every single time. So, every single time you try to attribute an emotional play to something I've said, I'm going to tell you you're wrong.

I'm saying "x is y" I need you to explain to me that x is not y becuase z , t , u not criticizing my way of playing

ty very much. I know what I'm doing.

~Rylai

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I don't like to discuss his replace out

I want to discuss his play which I beleive was scummy and thats why I'm waiting for his replacement catchup.

oh and I thought he asked for my lynch prefers list. I will reread and pot what you want.

~Rylai

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Frozen and Nahdia, I'm putting you in charge of putting together a list of the players who are not pulling their weight in terms of activity in this game. I will go through both your lists and tell you which one I want lynched and will drive that wagon. Cerb will follow my lead and then the rest of the town will fall in line or be destroyed. I will be voted master of the hunt, we will lynch scum, and go to night.

Let's get to it.

yeah ok. the more this list goes down means more scummy

Ranger (She is acting very lazy and I don't like that , but posting reads is what he do and so far I like them. its just , she didn't post some for a while)
Toogeloo (he explained why he is busy , but he posted some stuff and they didn't trigger me off. although i like him to talk about his Nahdia read.)
Heuristic_Arrow ( hydra - replaced in a long time ago - did nothing ...)
Klingoncelt (she is making posts and she is active but I can't see progress and her reads)
Xkyfu (Not playing the game - although nothing occurred to me alarming- simply null)
PeregrineV (his posts about using patches as a tool to clear dungens , although seems stupid but felt genuine so it gave me slight town lean. but he is not doing anything in game beside that which is simply null )
Hastur and Muriel (hydra - started the game - did nothing beside some very old catch up posts ...)
Gee Willikers (hydra - one head is in page 34 as he claimed and the other is not bothering to catch up. I simply have no read on them but I consider them both as active MS players and their inactivity is bugging me.)
Sensei (I mentioned this so many times so far. I see him as a potential townleader and his inactivity is bugging me)
Zulfy (I completly forgot he is in game... wtf)
Shadow_Step (his 34 posts are basically worse than eachother - I can't see his reads or his try for sorting anyone that is deeply concerning)
Bogre (he can be nominated for worst scummy entrance post and he is siply not here after that)

ehem ^ this is incredibly bad ...

are we playing this game?

~Rylai

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We are all waiting for your list.

As it stands I am ok with a lynch on Bogre , Shadow and Fire assassin slot but I want to see his replacement activity.

~Rylai

I'm not asking for your lynch pool. Read what I said. All you do is spam the thread, and you miss key posts directed at you, while blaming others of the same. I asked for the list of players you consider below the acceptable activity line.

sorry! I was working on that. and I'm definietly not spamming the thread. don't ever say that again

~Rylai

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Just for the record, btw, I think you, like many people, get lucky and tend to remember your successes more than your failures. This is a pet theory of yours, the idea that your playstyle is unique and SUPER DUPER EFFECTIVE, and your recollection of past events supports that. If that weren't a factor, I find it highly unlikely that you have a sample size of games large enough to definitely say "this particular aspect of my play, the bit that is wholly emotion based, is having a meaningful and positive effect on my reads."

I think you're just a good player, and this emotion crap has nothing to do with it. You use it to justify other subconscious connections you arrive at, and it works because people can't argue with someone who's trying to say they're showing a certain emotion in their play that gives them away. You subconsciously play well, and use intangibles to justify the conclusions your subconscious feeds to you. ^^

That's just my opinion though.

Anyways, so, umm, questions?

I simply never failed when I hunted down someone this way , There is no single failure to remember . there is just one case (jake's normal game) that I called 3 people scum and three people town and I was sure about the teams but I got them vise versa.

and lol. maybe!

~Rylai

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bloodletter : Bogre

I forgot I unvoted.

~Rylai

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I didn't have the time to comment on these earlier today , doing it now :

Ah, okay. I don't know? I don't know the nature of the relationship you two have. In a void, I would say ignoring your questions and attempting to make the game view you as unworthy of paying attention to is scummy, UNLESS he has experience with you and legitimately held those positions with regards to your thoughts. If he sincerely believed that you were simply making a ragey omgus type thing like he's seen you do before(and like I've seen you do before), then it's absolutely acceptable to dismiss you and your questions out of hand. It's NAI at best, scummy at worst if faked.

I know him , we have each other skype acc , we played so many games together (more than me with you) and I know my meta. I'm not denying the fact that I emotionally reacted to so many scum reads on me but I deny the fact that those reactions always ended up in scum reading the one who pushed me , If your claiming that your simply wrong or dizzy or interpreted my reactions in the wrong way.

but my play in this game had no relation to that meta and his moving back ward to it was scummy in my point of view.

~Rylai

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His role fishing didn't exist. You went off on what appeared to me to be an unsubstantiated sequence of thoughts. He said one thing, and you drew multiple unsubstantiated conclusions from it, and interpreted it as him role fishing. He wasn't role fishing. Nothing about what he said appeared to be role fishing to me. That's why that whole point is super wrong imo. I haven't gone back to reread that portion, but I remember reading what he said originally, and seeing you go off about role fishing, and thinking "FA is so wrong right now."

well dah

reading his ISo right now :

- he asked about my negative utility.
- he asked the power I used with my vote
- I claimed that the power has no effect on the vote itself
- He accused me of lying about it , I explained it and when he was getting toxic and accused me again and again I ended the conversation
- He asked why I'm putting myself in danger of getting killed if the Huntmaster thing is a high value Target when i repeated a line from Varsoon setup
- I said knowing the fact that I can die or not is non of his buisiness and asked why he just asked that question from me not all the candidates.
- He said he didn't read the setup completly , but he is bringing a valid point and asked me again the same question

That's what I was considering a selective role fishing attempt and a try to understand if I can die or not.

if you can't see that or you think there is an alternative meaning in these posts I'll be happy to be informed.

~Rylai

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I told you why x is not y. It's not y because I DO NOT PLAY THAT WAY. Look at my hydra PT's with Drixx and wgeurts. You have like 5 novels worth of my internal thought process regarding games and how I approach them to examine to understand how I play. In all of that, YOU WILL NEVER EVER EVER see me reference doing something to cause an emotional response of some sort in someone. I am incapable of considering lines of play like that. They simply do not make sense to me.

I'll feign anger, to add emphasis. That's the closest I come to what you're accusing me of doing.

I can accept this answer to my point about you.

But there is no harm in trying new ways , is it so I will keep an eye on you for now. You have a very decent manipulative scum game and I'm expecting a very high standard play from you to call you town and even simple stuff that won't concern me from other slots will trigger me off about you.

~Rylai

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I actually view the apathy of this game as coming from the fact that there is a group of players who have recognized one another as town rather strongly, quite early on. This has lead to a schism, where those players that are not part of said group, simply haven't been participating as much. That group of "ostracized" players, have moved to support R&L, the most vocal individual who wasn't within that group(and isn't within my town read group at least, but who I believe Mixed6 town reads) as huntmaster. I'm trying to decide if this move comes from scum attempting to prevent the growth of this town blow by causing friction through support for another option, or if it's from people who are just irritated at Mixed6 and myself moving to control the direction of the game and are thus simply rebelling against it. Or some other reason I haven't considered.

again I'm asking this , what is stopping you from having a read on me?

~Rylai

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Why are you guys copying all these lists of other players. Or even combining them?
Its pretty obvious to anyone looking at the game the inactive slots...

Well, there are SO MANY INACTIVES that it's valuable to look at the entire list together from these two players, and see where they agree and disagree, and if you townread them(as I believe Mixed6 does) start to work on establishing a consensus on where the best lynch is from among all the lurkers.

I was just trying to save them some legwork in making sense of it all. And then wanted to make it look prettier by removing some words that I should have removed before.

-Cerb

I don't like the fact that your again are taking middle ground about the action (which is getting leaded by Mixed6 this time). whats your idea about the whole back and forth?

~Rylai

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She is acting very lazy and I don't like that , but posting reads is what he do and so far I like them. its just , she didn't post some for a while

When I don't post reads, and for that matter, don't post content, it's because there's nothing of note since the last time I did.

As others have pointed out, the game's fairly inactive. The active posters are mostly discussing things that don't actually mean anything to me. I'll contribute my vote to whichever scumread of mine has the largest wagon. I'll stop any stupid wagons I see forming, and point out any scummy ones. If anything in my reads changes, I'll note it. If there's noteworthy content (for instance, egregious posts which solidify a scumread), I will mention it.

Otherwise, I don't have anything to say, sorry. My lists speak for themselves. When they don't, when people ask me about reads on them, I give my answer. But for the most part, as you yourself note, people like my lists. They don't see any reads they want to ask me about. So here I am, doing nothing, lazily hanging around.

your reads on me and Fire assassin back and forth? and your read on shinobi's recent posts?

what is your read on shadow?

~Rylai

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We could use a VC I think...

Unofficial Vote count:

Shinobi (4): [SPIDER], Nahdia, Almost50, Shadow_Step
Shadow_Step (4): Sensei, Gee Willikers, Bogre, Shinobi
randomidget (1): PeregrineV
Patches the Spider (2): Zulfy, Toogeloo
Bogre (6): Xkyfu, Randomidget, Mixed6, Rylai and Lina (BLOODLETTER), Ranger, Hastur and Muriel
Hastur and Muriel (2): Reasonably Irrational Liger_Zero
Rylai and Lina (1): Patches the Spider, Klingoncelt

your reads and reasons

~Rylai

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The quote was there to say yes I agree that in that page I got angry and I'm not sorry for that.

That was toward whoever blames me for that thing not necessarily you.

~Rylai

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@Shdow I felt your preparing to buddy me or a preparations to see if there is enough angry people becuase of my interactions with Fire ; to jump on me (sinsce that was Dwlee's case). I am a very paranoid person.

now some questions from you.

- Whats your read on everyone ? I'm repeating "Everyone"
- Do you consider yourself as a lynch bait at this point or do you think the fact that your getting scum readed by so many people is something normal and you can handle it later in game?

you seem pretty easy about it.

~Rylai

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for* you nor from you

~Rylai

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Write one sentence about each of your reads

Whats your read on Shinobi's recent posts explaining his read on you?

~Rylai

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This is not softing or hard claiming or tipping on my role or anything. There are reasons I'm asking this :

It's not something normal, but I get why some people are scum reading me.
I can handle it, bring it.

why are they scum reading you.

I know the answer. I want you repeating it to me from your view.

~Rylai

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D&D , Completely hypothetically speaking. assume you had a vig shot, who would you kill ? shinobi or shadow

why ?

~Rylai

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This is me asking you about your further reads and how sure you are about them and to see why . its not about the roles at all.

Please think well and answer assuming you really have a vig shot.

~Rylai

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Shadow is acting like his play will improve in later days . I wonder if noone else can see it or not.

what do you think about Shadow's recent engagements? is it giving you town vibes or not?

~Rylai

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so you think getting rid of shadow becuase he is lurker?

don't you think this is just shrinking the game in a semi unpredictable way?

~Rylai

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what about me is not good enough for being huntmaster cerb?

whats your read on me? or what is stopping you from having a read on me as you claimed it before.

~Rylai

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just mentioning

I will support mixed huntmaster wagon as an alternative to ours but i won't support yours.

~Rylai

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You're not obvtown, you're not me, and I don't trust your judgment in party selection.

But I think I'm obv town , there are people who can see me that way and you can't simply just tell them to change their read on me like this (you have no right to)

and I simply don't care that you can't trust my taste in party selecting. I will bring my 3 top town reads or people who I think there is a reason for them to be in group.

Your a candidate becuase of your claim that is an open topic in our hydra chat as it stands.

~Rylai

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shiro said he'd take me but since ur the dominating head i wanna hear it from u, frozen. will u take me on ur hunting party?

Your one of my strong town reads and a candidate for being there.

I won't say who I'm taking 100% to make sure scum won't kill them.

~Rylai

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just mentioning

I will support mixed huntmaster wagon as an alternative to ours but i won't support yours.

~Rylai

Why? What has changed since earlier in the game?

-Cern

you started playing lower than the standards I was expecting from you.

~Rylai

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What do you mean about taking the middle ground here? What is the back and forth you're referring to?

your saying , assuming both are town, assuming that this is a good idea , this is the best move. (and your doing the legwork )

to much assumption instead of analyzing. your not taking stance.

and when I said back and forth I meant the thing that was shaping by mixed6.

~Rylai

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A candidate for the party, or for the huntmaster? Are you saying that I'm only in thr running because of my claim rather than because of my play, or are you suggesting that my claim, which was only related to being huntmaster, makes me a candidate for being in your party? Because it shouldn't, that's a silly reason.

why are you opening this claim and showing its limits to take the position as the huntmaster?

this is the worst play you can do if its real.

~Rylai

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and I was considering you as a party member obviously. and not only becuase of your claim. you are a very dangerous null read of mine that I want to sort asap.

I'm not sure what is that power or what is that telling about your alignment or it even exist or not , but I'm not agreed to just vote you for it while I have these much concerns about your agenda now :/

~Rylai

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Vague. Details.

are you kidding me

we were talking about them the past 10 pages. I don't like your careful stances on things happening and the way you criticized your own push.

want me to repeat all these stuff?

~Rylai

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Pedit: I'm saying nothing about my role. I'm saying you have no reason, based on what I've said, to make the assumption you're making. You may be right. You may be wrong. Either way, you're assuming more than the data supports.

we see the world differently I assume. deal with it.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

I didn't say anything about assuming anything about your slots. If you're both scum it's really useful. Lynching scum is the best move for the day, but the consolidation of votes on a lurker slot is definitely the best move for the moment. What stance am I/ was I expected to take there? I wanted to put those lists together for my own analysis in the future, and there was no reason to just keep it hidden in my hydra pt. You're not making sense FA.

The thing? What thing? Seriously, you're being way too vague in what you're saying right now.

I'm making sense to me though.

You didn't said any thing about your Mixed6 read or what he was doing and you said this words exactly "I'm not town reading Rylai but I'm sure Mixed5 does" and then you combined my list and said its only valid if you are townreading me and Nahdia.

And you didn't vote for the lurker if you think thats the best move? so I guess your trying to keep yourself in high ground in all the events which are happening,

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

tbh I'd be fine with any of Mixed, RI or Rylai and Lina as Huntmaster, not sure about lilith.

I'm the lead.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

That's also a terrible reason. If you want to sort me, you don't put me in the party. If you think I'm town, you put me in.

If you need information you can't have exposed to the world, ask me here, and I could consider answering using our messages. The only reason to sort me in that pt in particular is so we could have a discussion about things we want kept secret from scum, but if you don't consider me town, I'm a security risk and shouldn't be there. If you want to sort me, we have 6 days of this phase left. Sort me.

If I was the huntmaster , I'm asking you here to answer me with a message with a sign that I know its coming from you , that if your ability will be activated if your in party or is just if your the huntmaster.

Shiro thinks your town. I had a town lean on you so far but I'm really concerned about the recent stuff.

plus I never said I'm putting you in my party. I'm just saying that I'm considering everything even your claim.

I will make a party of my town reads definietly.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

You are again making a bunch of assumptions about my plays and why I'm making them. There's no reason to assume I'm "trying to keep the high ground" instead of "trying to keep the game from glashwagoning and ending the day when we clearly have more to talk about".

You know this is my playstyle silly boy

to make assumptions about others play and see what settles right.

I liked your answer here.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

What does this mean? If you're stating you're currently the leading huntmaster wagon, it's untrue. There's a 3 way tie, 4 votes each. It was 5,4,3 you, mixed6, me, but liger moved his slots vote from you to me.

not sure if your counting right or if I did it right.

I wasn't paying so much attention

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

Rylai and Lina (5): toogeloo, Almost50, Rylai and Lina, Nahdia, Shadow_Step
Mixed6 (4): Mixed6, Gee Willikers, Ranger, Shinobi
Reasonably Irrational (4): Reasonably Irrational, Patches the Spider, Daenerys and Dragons , Liger_Zero
randomidget (1): randomidget

this is what I got after rechecking. I have the lead I guess ?!

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

Think Bogre is not in game and the day got 5 days shorter.

who should we lynch cerb?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

I told you to assume we have only 1 day left and Bogre is not in game to force you decide between saying we should lynch X becuase you can convince us thats a good place to vote or say we just end the day with no lynch.

nobody is not an acceptable answer in the scenario I put you in.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

I transparently announced my lynch prefers already.

and the reason is the fact you challenged me to try harder for sorting you today which is what i'm trying to do. but still your giving me nothing to start looking to.

You don't prefer H&M lynch instead of no lynch even after all the push you two did on the slot and you recieved nothing? and forget them. No one? assume there are no more info. just varsoon came in here and said just tell me someone to lynch and we are moving to night phase if you don't.

You have no lead?!

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

lets try again from another aspect

we are lynching for information , the lynched one won't die.

who will you prefer to lynch?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

what lurker do you prefer over the others.

even a little bit

we can't kill them all obviously.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

what about shinobi red/green flip will tell you?

what about shadow red/green flip will tell you?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

I am not liking this lynch on Bogre, even though I have yet to read his posts, just the way its going down and the consensus on it, I don't really like.

I will have to read their posts to better get why everyone is scumreading them.
It seems like too easy of a lynch.

what is too easy for a lynch and what is not? can you define me that?

who do you prefer over Bogre?

if you didn't read his posts why you don't like it? its not like you played the game with us to see why people are voting him. why are people voting him?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

what about shinobi red/green flip will tell you?

what about shadow red/green flip will tell you?

~Rylai

Are preflip associations common here?

I'm trying to read Cerb mind. I'm not saying what i think they will flip here. what about asking this question is me using pre flip associations?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

And no I want one answer from you R&L, not a set of options.

-Cerb

Pedit: assuming nothing changes over the next 5 days, H&M. If they start playing and engaging, shadow_step or Bogre.

Pedit: dunno, too much work to figure it out right now, but I know they have had significant pressure and interactions with those pressuring them. Lots of conversation centered around them, thus the most information to gain.

Let's note that I'm not advocating this. Information lynches are dumb. Lynch scum. Other considerations only come into play when people are equally likely to be scum, which is rarely the case.

I will go for shadow probably. as I like to give Fire assassin's replacement - my next scum read - a chance to post and shiro is completly against that lynch.

and you won't lynch for information even if there is no one to get lynched becuase of being 'lynch-deserved' scummy as I thought you were saying is your state right now?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

what is too easy for a lynch and what is not? can you define me that?

who do you prefer over Bogre?

if you didn't read his posts why you don't like it? its not like you played the game with us to see why people are voting him. why are people voting him?

An easy lynch is lynching someone everyone is scum reading on that nobody points out is terrible. The chances the scum are bussing their ally day 1 could be high, but since this lynch is more compromise its unlikely a buss by scum. Their placement in everyoens reads that I have looked at so far suggests everyone is scumreading them. In my experience scum don't all put their buddies in scum pile, and usually change it up.

My thoughts without even reading his posts is this will be a mislynch just based on how everyone is acting around the lynch.

I have no preference over Bogre, I just don't like the consensus going on.

Understandable.

now please read his Iso and tell me whats your read on him?

and after that can you start catching up as fast you can?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

I don't understand your question.

your saying there is noone you prefer to lynch even if it means that we are advancing in night phase with a no lynch

and your saying lynching for information (even though the people who are getting lynched are actually scummy) is dumb

so your saying in that scenario you prefer a no lynch?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

do you have any example games that you as town didn't hammer the person you thought is town?

I like to read people selective meta at nights and I never read yours

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

I like that meta for being happened in an early day (day 1 or 2 at most)

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

whats your read on me Nahdia?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

@Rylai and Lina, how good is your judgement of town play? Is it better than Albert B. Rampages? You don't know mine at this point, so I won't ask you to factor that in.

ABR gave scum a hide rune in saga that lost the town the game lol

I respect him and his play but I don't see myself a weaker player in this case. I'm a better scum hunter than a town hunter but I won't underestimate myself. plus me and shiro are both really excited about this and I won't change my vote to anyone else unless I lost my supports about it.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

@Reasonably Irrational, you have me at godtier town read right now. I know you've got good judgment and didn't have to ask.

@Rylai and Lina, for this particular decision is the town hunting that's much more important. It's actually what puts the town into the information advantage range over scum which is crazy powerful. Keep that in mind when making decisions. We're not here to do cool exciting things. We're here to grind scum into nothing. The cool and exciting things just happen along the way.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

I know that and I don't see myself or my role or my plans weak in doing those stuff. I can be in the position of power by what I can see from myself. I don't understand you calling me the "wrong choice" if you have a town read on me. do you see me incapable of choosing a good party or leading the way in dungeons?

[Rylai and Lina]

she stated she has a town read on me.

whats wrong about her choosing me? your making no sense cerb?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

@Rylai and Lina, I don't mean to be saying that you're the wrong choice. I mean to be saying that Mixed6 is the right one.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

I don't like to play political plays here , lol

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

I read the mechanics and the hunting party and all that sounded interesting, but the obsession over it in day talk is kind....odd?
I don't know if its odd scummy or just odd that everyone talking about who should be in a party or the master or what not.

If Reasonably Irrational has a mechanical reason to be the huntmaster, they should be it.
The party should not be publically bartered with beforehand. I don't know why Nahdia or anyone is trying insert themselves in the party.
The party shouldn't be announced.

Though I think Reasonably Irrational should be the master given their early comment on reason for it.

I simply don't like that slot enough to vote them as huntmaster.

If I loose the lead I will vote Maxed6

why are you town reading that slot this hard ?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

why are you town reading that slot this hard ?

Interactions with you. Plus I figure that if he is telling the truth it should be something likely provable that actually helps the hunting party succeed or benefit the town. If he is lying than we can call him out on it. I think its objectively the best play.

I'm not sure if him telling the truth or him lying about it is alignment indicative at all.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

I'm not sure if him telling the truth or him lying about it is alignment indicative at all.

Why would he town lie about having mechanical reasons to be the huntmaster exactly?
You seem to know him well enough.

Yeah , I suffered enough in Saga about this. people do stuff to get huntmaster position.

not saying he is doing that now. and I feel he is not leining . but what about him having that ability in that position makes him town?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

What makes you say that?

he was kind of whining about being in day 1 and having nothing to work on. *shrugs*

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

See, the activity returned.
VC. In a bit.

no lurker posted, its me , cerb , zorblag , D&D , this guy who replaced in recently while he is not cought up and Nahdia

:/

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

So you think he's town being honest about not being able to do stuff D1? What's to stop him from giving more excuses D2?

I was just stating a thing that occured to me that no one else mentioned. I won't give anyone a way out by excusing that they will start doing stuff from next days.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

so you think getting rid of shadow becuase he is lurker?

don't you think this is just shrinking the game in a semi unpredictable way?

~Rylai

I don't really know what this means..?

I think shadow is not making himself easy to sort. Between shinobi and shadow I see shinobi now engaging more. Therefore I think shinobi will be easier to sort. You asked me who we'd shoot if we had to right now, I don't know what else you're expecting in response? How is this semi-unpredictable and how would choosing anyone to shoot not be semi-unpredictable?

-Daenerys

I meant don't you think that eliminating him just becuase he lurks is just shrinking the slots in game in an unperdictable way (as they can be both alignments)
I got what I asked for though.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

Well you did ask us to choose between two semi-lurky scummy slots so.. Not sure what you expected.

What did you get out of asking us?

I chose them as they are my highest scum reads and I have a town read on you based on your pushes and interactions. There is always the option of no kill when your a vig so if it wasn't becuase "Shadow is really hard to read and he is making himself harder to read" that vig shot was not so legit . and I liked your "Shinobi is engaging now, so he can live for now".

I just wanted to see what do you think about each of them .

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

Why is R&L even a possible candidate though?
There's a lot of things I dislike about that.

share them. I'm all ears

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

pedit: I don't know GW. Because they're talking a lot? I don't believe anyone gave much of a reason why they were voting for them. *shrug*

what is your read on me?

I guess I asked this a lot but I achieved nothing. cause it seems its a town lean but when its about huntmaster your acting like its a scum lean

and your supporting neither.

I'm talking a lot as I always do to sort people. do you have any problem with that?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

Right, RI I could grudgingly allow but anyone outside of us/Mixed/RI is something I'm going to heavily oppose for huntsmaster. If this doesn't change in the next few pages there are going to be large theory rants inbound.

do your rant. what are you threatening me of. your slot was useless and lurking so far. the only person I approve as huntmaster in your list is Mixed6.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

your calling nahdia and almost50 lurking?!

are you kidding me?!

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

I never claimed to be a leader. that slot is not for leading the game. its for leading the haunt.

and I'm sure I have the carisma of being a town leader in me. although I'm not awaking it a lot in mafia games as I think thats incredibly anti town play to lead the game.

your not trusting my judgment is something I can't argue with, some people trusted my judgement and voted me for it. what about it deserves a rant?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

Anybody who's alignment is in doubt shouldn't be huntsmaster, hard rule.

what confirmed Cerb or mixed6 ?

I can't see mod confirming them ...

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

What's wrong with just asking us our thoughts straight out?

I guess you stated lynching / pressuring shinobi is better and vigging shadow is better.

or I understood it wrong?

becuase they are different.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

Only those hard town-read by at least a majority of the game should even be considered for huntsmaster. Doing otherwise is stupid and I'll explain why later, maybe cerb can do it for me while I read the final 10 pages.

the majority decide when their voting for huntmaster. your saying this like its a prior knowledge is very scummy.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

Who said I won't make a town block in the haunt? your just putting words in my mouth. I said that becuase I'm a leader I won't just decide something on my own.

even if I have to power to do so.

town needs guidence not leading. why we lost saga to you guys? for town leaders who started arguing with eachother. instead they could start trying to understand eachother. thats what i'm going to do if I get that title. I will make a town block but I won't force my opinions in game.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

and I said I'm excited for it. thats not the reason I'm trying to get the title obviously.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

whats your read on me wagur?

becuase I'm sure you don't have one at all if your town.

so why you think your opinion is at all valid here?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

Who said I won't make a town block in the haunt? your just putting words in my mouth. I said that becuase I'm a leader I won't just decide something on my own.

even if I have to power to do so.

town needs guidence not leading. why we lost saga to you guys? for town leaders who started arguing with eachother. instead they could start trying to understand eachother. thats what i'm going to do if I get that title. I will make a town block but I won't force my opinions in game.

~Rylai

ABR was spot on the entire game, on almost everything. His plans were blown by a group of people who didn't think stuff through, which me and cerb took for granted.

My points stands. Arrogance of town members lost that game and that was literally all of their faults.

Not letting the same happen here again.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

bloodletter : gee willikers

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

if you vigged me and your town your an idiot

if you vigged me and your scum your an idiot.

at least in this game.

sorry but you really are

that is the most stupid move I can think of

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

If I died kill this shit

[Rylai and Lina]

FA, I enjoy playing with you. However you're be detrimental to the town.

just ....

done talking here.

if i died auto lynch this antitown.,

I had a plan that would auto win the game for town

if I'm dead just auto kill this slot - no discussion allowed.

[Rylai and Lina]

my hands is shaking and its not good for my health to be here anymore.

I must leave before I start insulting you

[Rylai and Lina]

shut up cerb

just shut up both of you

kill them both

please,

i don't care their town or not

Just don't loose to wagur and cerb if I died.

[Rylai and Lina]

I can't live with myself if they endgame this shit like saga

vote mixed6 for huntmaster

kill shadow too

push sensei too , he is not playing like his town meta at all - according to shiro

[Rylai and Lina]

all the points beside killing those two stands if I wasn't vigged which it seems becuase of Dwlee slip

[Rylai and Lina]

I need to leave , my health condition is not letting me to stay.

pedit : I'm just tired and in acondition that I don't like to talk with you anymore . and no. talk with shiro. I think me being the huntmaster is not a bad move for this town.

bye

[Rylai and Lina]

I'm leaving becuase of my helath not the game.

bye

[Rylai and Lina]

I vomited and I feel better now.

I didn't got lucky in 40 games. or I'm very lucky?

Stop trying to ruining my career for taking that position. That position will be granted to the one people is mostly agreed to as the best option.

stop this advertising nonsense.

we all have reasons for candidating for this (in my case staying as candidate) and yes I have a plan too.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

I will hold my vote on wagurats for a while. I will hammer bogre later in the day.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

This is such bullshit. Titus wasn't a town leader, in fact, nobody was listening to her even though she was mod confirmed town. The reason nobody followed her was because she was stupid and wrong, while Yosarian and I were doing all the heavy lifting to catch the scum. We eventually caught all of the scum (every single one, including Cerb), but lost mechanically due to an interpretation of my role PM that the mod didn't clarify, and also Titus who tunneled on me from day 1 all the way to endgame. Otherwise, that game was a slam dunk. Ah yes and Zulfy fucked up and killed my motivation for that game when he went for gladiator on me while I was travelling.

and I found cerb, not you. just reminding you of that. and you instead of listening to me pushed a lynch on my slot which is the main reason that game is lost (you lost a full day and night for that mislynch)

Stop being so arrogant. we all win together. or we will all loose together - talking assuming I'm right about you being town

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

We're at like L-5. We need more votes. What do you mean, you will hammer later during the day? Do you get more powers from hammering like Skybird in SAGA? Listen, I somewhat trust your alignment to be town, I don't think you have very good judgment. Deal with it.

no

I won't get anything spescial from hammering and the bloodletter has no reflection on my vote. its something else that i have no indication to explain.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

and i'm dealing with it.

that has no relation to the game though.

let people decide. this whole argument is redicolous.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

I never advertised myself. I only answered to all the noises why I can't be a good huntmaster.

@almost I won't confirm or deny anyone in my party

pedit : their calling me stupid in a very nicer way to don't make me angry.

and shiro is involved in every single read this hydra shared although he is not directly posting. our skype is filled with reads and we have a hydra chat in here with Varsoon that we discuss stuff in there.

he is completly involved in this hydra and he is completly caught up on the game (not now though - he was - he is not online atm)

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

You have no right to lie for getting a position of leadership

You have no right to lie to fix a previous lie.

and you have no right to lie about a rune effect (the prize of an adventure)

I will do so again if you do that again.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

these are not tiny little things

these stuff lost the game,

The hide rune lost the game

You have no authority to lead the town like sheeps. I tried to tell you this after saga and it seems I failed.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

and I started town reading you later that day. it was you who never stopped scumreading my slot becuase "my role was good to be town"

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

You fucked up in a bad way, and try to blame the loss on others. That's not taking responsibility, that's not leadership. You make a nice speech about cooperation, but are you able to put your ego aside? We will see. I want to talk about more productive things now.

Your questioning my judgments and I'm defending them. your criticizing my play and I'm defending it.

I did what I was supposed to do. if this topic is not productive don't start it in the first place.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

i still dont see why the master of the hunt has to be someone who is a leader but whatever -_-'

This!

That position is someone who can choose a party - a town block - to guide the game. Not leading it.

Both of you are failing to see this. intentional or not intentional this is getting saga all over again.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

I'm going to sleep though.

If there is any questions I must answer now please be my guest.

if not good night.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

Are you suggesting that I'm not a good huntmater or a good candidate for party as I am a real manipulative scum player RI ?

really?

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

huntmaster : Mixed6

I asked more than 10 times from you to explain your read or thoughts about me and your dodging that question again and again ...

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

that was @RI

and wagur is just shit posting to get more supports on his friends which is pissing me off tbh.

I can choose a town block and I'm capable of leading one. I won't let RI to take that position over Mixed6 never.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

Your advertising to Mixed to don't take me in party

I won't do that for a null read and I'm sure you won't do that if your null on me

explain your case against me and stop being hypocritical this much.
~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

You're a bad huntmaster because I don't trust your able to select town for your party, and I don't have any reason to think you're town.

I am a good huntmaster becuase I can and I will choose a town block party.

and you can at least try to sort me but instead all your doing is advertising that I'm a bad player.

~rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

I don't have a case against you? I just have no reason to think you're town. You've done nothing to give me a reason to townread you.

I have more than 300 posts

I can't beleive your null on me. if your null on me now - you will stay null on me for the rest of the game unless someone find a guilty on me.

Your saying crap that I'm a really good scum player means being towinsh means I can be scum is not a good excuse for being null on me.

and yes you are saying "I doubt they pick her" like your in their heads. I am town , I am sure that I can be a very useful member in that party and your shitting around is not going to be tolerated nicely by me.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

and calling me a good player to calm me down

stating she is not a leader

stating she can't choose town block

stating you don't trust my judgment

stating you just think I'm lucky with my older games and meta

oh fuck I wonder why they don't add up

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

stop treating me like a 6 years old girl. My IQ is 142 and they consider me "Genius or near genius". I won't let you to just state crap and pack them up with nice words and I won't definietly get manipulated by this.

I will vote myself as huntmaster , if its not happening Mixed6 is taking that slot.

RI has no position in this town from my pov and won't have one becuase their likely scum for their political gesture and hypocritical contradicting posts.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

who ever stated RI is town , please explain that to me in their next post.

no your not right. they never stated that they won't bring me and if they did thats their business not yours to even mention.

I told that to stop you from treating me like a whining 6 years old girl when I'm asking you questions about things happened. your simply giving me nothing and you continue your doubt casting behavior. If you have anything against me bring it on. I enjoy fighting you in the flames. if not just back off and don't mention me at all.

You being null on me means nothing and shouldn't mean anything about the rest of the peopls dicisions in voting me as huntmaster or taking me in one. and you know this

so your simply trying to push some dirt on me with doubt casting or your trying to push me toward a corner to just shut me up

and both are extremely anti town from my point of view.

are you sincerely null on me while your doubt casting about me in every single damn posts?

~Rylai