Exactly. Best vote is conftown . Then likely town. Only when deciding between likely town does mechanical advantage become relevant.In post 1772, Nahdia wrote:if you trust him, sure.In post 1771, Liger_Zero wrote:Okay so best vote for huntmaster should be Reasonably Irrational?
I mean mechanically if they have a reason that makes more sense.
I'm working on it. I need to catch up completlyIn post 1769, Mixed6 wrote:Cerb, let me be clear, I don't want you to make a list. Nahdia has given hers and now I am looking forward to Frozen's.
I'm not really sure where I stand on you now :\Reasonably Irrational wrote:Exactly. Best vote is conftown . Then likely town. Only when deciding between likely town does mechanical advantage become relevant.In post 1772, Nahdia wrote:if you trust him, sure.In post 1771, Liger_Zero wrote:Okay so best vote for huntmaster should be Reasonably Irrational?
I mean mechanically if they have a reason that makes more sense.
Nahdia your continued suspicion of my slot is dumb.
-Cerb
as I said this multiple times in different game I do beleive that this is no game of chess to just be played with consideration of logic, I'm sure the emotional part of the game has a very deep influence on it becuase its a game that the pawnes are human so even if you think emotions are crap , answer to my questions about your feelings becuase they tell me stuff that you even though your considering them crap , I consider them information.In post 1717, Reasonably Irrational wrote:I'm not sure what response you want me to give to this? You know how I feel about feelings. I don't like them. So, umm, x makes you feel y doesn't do anything for me. I'm stating facts about those slots. Slots that don't engage with the game, as those slots aren't(for the most part) are extremely hard to accurately read, and extremely likely to cause a loss in LYLO if they live that long. It's dumb to just go lynching them all willy-nilly though, because it's unlikely they're all(or even *mostly*) scum, cuz math, but if we don't deal with them, they'll just always be...there, unreadable and problematic.
Yeah I saw it. I'm not voting him, no worries.In post 1779, Mixed6 wrote:Also, see my comments to Daenerys and Dragons; catching scum acting too towny day 1 isn't worth it. Do that come day 4 if they're still alive. For now remember that if Reasonably Irrational is town (random role selection makes that more likely than not,) he's got at least as much motive to do what he's been doing as scum fooling us all.
-Zorblag R`Lyeh
w-why :[In post 1779, Mixed6 wrote:@Nahdia, you're not prime hunting party material at this time, sorry.
let me requete the post in question again :In post 1717, Reasonably Irrational wrote:Also, for the record, the main wagons of the game have been shinobi and shadow_step. So it's rather disingenuous of you to suggest that I'm actually dissuading any wagons that are actually being actively pushed to any strong degree. In addition, the fact that I want H&M dead at this stage in the game, in spite of including them in that list, is something you should THINK about more, rather than just assuming there's some sort of scum motivation. There's a reason why I am pushing that SPECIFIC slot in this game, among the group of lurky mclurkers: Elbirn was the scum partner of one of the heads in the last game we played(thus, I'd be willing to bet he'll be able to pick up on tonal differences between the way the HD head posted in their scum PT, and the way he posted in the main game), and because of my limited experience with both heads, among EVERYONE who is being lurky, they are the ones whose posting style is most likely to lead to actual content when they respond, whether they're scum or not. If they're town, they'll throw out real commentary about things. If they're scum, because it's what they'd do as town, they'll still throw out lengthy commentary, which is helpful whenever they flip.
you called Bogre , H&M , toog , PV and I'm not sure why you added the new hydra there. all 4 are being stated as a concern from at least 1/3 of the players. the only wagons that are not your list are Shadow and Shinobi which is weird becuase Shadow was lurking as well and You never directly stated that your scumreading Shinobi.In post 1539, Reasonably Irrational wrote:This game has too much low hanging fruit. Bogre, H&M, toog, pv, and now this new hydra. All apparently mislynch bait, either based on their past play, or simply because they're not giving anyone any reason to town read them.
This concerns me. They can't all be bad scum. :/
-Cerb
I can see shinobi and Bogre scum together. I can see scum distancing (remembering that weird ? in his list after Bogre name)
Frozen, I don't have feelings about mafia. Its a dumb game that, like most games, isn't most worth emotional involvement. I guess I get irritated at people being dumb. I guess earlier I was sad about the fire assassin thing and disgusted at your attitude about it. I can't understand just not caring at all about having a negative impact on someone else's enjoyment. If I were emotional in mafia I'd want to lynch you for that, and that alone.In post 1780, Rylai and Lina wrote:going to split up your posts and answer them part part (hard to answer them in whole part in my mobile phone)
as I said this multiple times in different game I do beleive that this is no game of chess to just be played with consideration of logic, I'm sure the emotional part of the game has a very deep influence on it becuase its a game that the pawnes are human so even if you think emotions are crap , answer to my questions about your feelings becuase they tell me stuff that you even though your considering them crap , I consider them information.In post 1717, Reasonably Irrational wrote:I'm not sure what response you want me to give to this? You know how I feel about feelings. I don't like them. So, umm, x makes you feel y doesn't do anything for me. I'm stating facts about those slots. Slots that don't engage with the game, as those slots aren't(for the most part) are extremely hard to accurately read, and extremely likely to cause a loss in LYLO if they live that long. It's dumb to just go lynching them all willy-nilly though, because it's unlikely they're all(or even *mostly*) scum, cuz math, but if we don't deal with them, they'll just always be...there, unreadable and problematic.
so you were saying as they are lurkers they have a decent chance to be town but they must die even though their low hanging fruits becuase their influence in late game?
~Rylai
I've explained this three times and even had a back and forth over three pages long about this.In post 1784, Rylai and Lina wrote:I can see shinobi and Bogre scum together. I can see scum distancing (remembering that weird ? in his list after Bogre name)
If you really scum read him talk about him. what is stopping you?
~Rylai
See, now you're the one making assumptions. It's not that IReasonably Irrational wrote:Nahdia, I have a very specific composition in mind for the hunting party...but there is one spot of wriggle room. I'm trying to determine who else I have an Uber townread on to put there.
It's unlikely to be you because I really dislike the fact that you, as smart and observant as I know you are, didn't even consider the weirdness of me pushing a lurker over the easy mislynch, amd then didn't consider the obvious conclusion that given your respect for the heads of this hydra, we would obviously want to push elsewhere cause if we got shinobi lynched, we'd just he setting up ourselves and shadow_step for a very difficult rest of the game.
Like I have trouble believing you just....wouldn't even look at what other options I could have taken as scum in that spot.
-Cerb
not even close to what I said. I'm sure you didn't understood me at all.In post 1785, Reasonably Irrational wrote:Frozen, I don't have feelings about mafia. Its a dumb game that, like most games, isn't most worth emotional involvement. I guess I get irritated at people being dumb. I guess earlier I was sad about the fire assassin thing and disgusted at your attitude about it. I can't understand just not caring at all about having a negative impact on someone else's enjoyment. If I were emotional in mafia I'd want to lynch you for that, and that alone.
I'm not though, and don't have enough of a read on your slot to make that decision at this time.
Rylai works for me. If you, or anybody else, has a problem with her, they have a problem with me. We don't want problems. That's why we're going to have nice conversation until Frozen submits her list. Then we will all play nice and vote for who I decide, knocking two birds with one stone, the inactivity problem and the scumhunting question.In post 1788, Shinobi wrote:I think Rylai is just trolling me at this point.
all is there in your Iso is "I think bogre is scum too" or "I guess Bogre can be scum too" which indicates you don't trust that slotIn post 1787, Shinobi wrote:I've explained this three times and even had a back and forth over three pages long about this.
You have 0 reason not to understand it.
what about Bogre is less concerning?In post 1458, Shinobi wrote:Shadow - for rehashing poor reasoning on his prime wagon, having a provably fake townread, and generally just being useless
I literally just said I had a three page back and forth with another player about it.In post 1792, Rylai and Lina wrote:all is there in your Iso is "I think bogre is scum too" or "I guess Bogre can be scum too" which indicates you don't trust that slotIn post 1787, Shinobi wrote:I've explained this three times and even had a back and forth over three pages long about this.
You have 0 reason not to understand it.
which is exactly my point. your indicating that you don't trust that slot but your not saying why or how much is this untrust that is stopping you from voting them and you prefer to vote shadow for
what about Bogre is less concerning?In post 1458, Shinobi wrote:Shadow - for rehashing poor reasoning on his prime wagon, having a provably fake townread, and generally just being useless
~Rylai
ok sorry. I missed this one. I like your answer here.In post 1550, Shinobi wrote:He was in my list of people that were doing/accomplishing very little. He seemed like he was just doing whatever early on (RE: his RVS vote which took forever to change and his questioning on Zulfy self-voting which isn't really relevant wrt anything) and as soon as I picked him out, he responded with some lame point about how we shouldn't lynch inactives because we don't get anything out of it.In post 1546, Almost50 wrote:Explain why you voted Shadow_Step in 352 but never mentioned him BEFORE nor AFTER that until 781 where you STILL didn't justify your vote on him.In post 1541, Shinobi wrote:In 352 you voted shadow out of nowhere. You never mentioned him before. I still give you the benefit of the doubt that it was merely to prompt him and ask for his reads and more participation, but that vote is still there despite the fact he did provide some reads and got engaged more
Since I tried talking to him a grand total of one time he's done nothing but try to throw shade on me using the laughably weak points from earlier which aren't relevant along with a bunch of other random, unexplained reads.
As for Bogre, I made a few posts on him beforehand and I fully explained my read on him here.
As it stands I am ok with a lynch on Bogre , Shadow and Fire assassin slot but I want to see his replacement activity.In post 1797, Mixed6 wrote:We are all waiting for your list.
