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Hate this mod meta from Fire. Trying to out-mod meta Varsoon is absurd and will never work.In post 108, Grovyle wrote:VOTE: Jaereed
Two distinct things you gotta know about varsoon games.
Varsoon makes sme weird mechanics, and if this is anything like bloodborne, the original party leader is scum. ALWAYS!
That means jaereed must be lynched because of game mechanics, ALWAYS
No ifs ands or butts.
MOD META THIS GAME TO DEATH!!!
FOR BLOOBORNE!
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[also never moving my vote. This must go]
Plus his meta is inaccurate too. The initial leader was town in Saga, like others have noted.
I don't like this insta sheep from Vedith either.In post 121, Vedith wrote:VOTE: Jaereed
Jaereed is confirmed scum!
@Fire - Do I need to know anything about the setup for day 1?
Space Cowboy's posting is scummy, but it might just be DS's posting style. We'll see, holding off there.
VOTE: Grovyle
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Just because you weren't it doesn't mean it doesn't exist <.<In post 194, Grovyle wrote:
I don't count saga, because I wasn't in it.In post 193, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:Hate this mod meta from Fire. Trying to out-mod meta Varsoon is absurd and will never work.
Plus his meta is inaccurate too. The initial leader was town in Saga, like others have noted.
THEREFORE IT DOESNT COUNT!
Although Space Dandy 1 had the crew be all town I think?
Don't remember.
I wasn't in the crew.
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Space Dandy 1 didn't have a crew mechanic iircUnsurprising
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Using bad and incorrect mod meta to tunnel someone is not townie at all
I kind of get what you're saying about scum not wanting to push the party leader but I don't think it makes them "conf town"
If Jae is scum it's an easy way for Grovyle to distance from a buddy early on without actually hurting the chances of them getting on the run team
If Jae is town it puts pressure on a townie in a position with a lot of power
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You spent half your time in the Bloodborne dead thread cursing at us, you obviously have reasoning to have a grudge.In post 211, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Dude you're caught. First you tried to make it seem like a personal bias but we don't have an adverserial relationship so it comes off as fake. Then you make up bad reasons to defend your bad FB vote despite acknowledging why I'm saying he's town is valid. You're entire strategy has been exposed, please die now.
Acknowledging that what you're saying makes sense doesn't mean I agree with it.
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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8075171In post 213, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I didn't curse at you. I wasn't mad at you and if people read the actual PT they would see that.
Our interaction was basically
Me: "If you didn't stop me, we'd have been way ahead."
You:"Yeah, sorry, I know I shouldn't have stopped you!"
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8075175
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We didn't hate you. But you obviously harbored some vitriol towards us. You did curse. You insulted us several times. And you're wrong about us here - I don't know why you're trying to push us so seriously over a post Cakes made that sounds exactly like he did in Bloodborne. Stop.
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How is this scummy?In post 205, Grovyle wrote:
Okay, this is pretty scummy.....In post 204, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:Using bad and incorrect mod meta to tunnel someone is not townie at all
I kind of get what you're saying about scum not wanting to push the party leader but I don't think it makes them "conf town"
If Jae is scum it's an easy way for Grovyle to distance from a buddy early on without actually hurting the chances of them getting on the run team
If Jae is town it puts pressure on a townie in a position with a lot of power
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So I'm really pissed off at shit IRL and this game isn't helping.
Sick of being mislynched by complete fucking dumbasses who have no fucking clue how to read me and it will cloud my judgement so I'm gonna let Lilith take charge for a bit.
I would have probably replaced out at this point if I was solo ftr
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OK I've cooled off a bit now so going to respond to some stuff and will try not to flame so much since that was a dick move.
I'll get to this after I finish these responses.In post 229, Grovyle wrote:Just take a break Cakez, its a game after all.
You think anyone pushing you is scum or stands out? (for when you get back)
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Please read my posts more thoroughly. I can see how a point is reached without agreeing with it, I went over it.In post 224, Grovyle wrote:
It was the way it was went about saying that ABR had a point will still dismissing it.In post 222, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:
How is this scummy?In post 205, Grovyle wrote:
Okay, this is pretty scummy.....In post 204, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:Using bad and incorrect mod meta to tunnel someone is not townie at all
I kind of get what you're saying about scum not wanting to push the party leader but I don't think it makes them "conf town"
If Jae is scum it's an easy way for Grovyle to distance from a buddy early on without actually hurting the chances of them getting on the run team
If Jae is town it puts pressure on a townie in a position with a lot of power
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Basically saying "Yeah, I guess he is likely town, but no way is CONF TOWN!"
And the last point about pressuring a townie made no sense.
What didn't make sense about it?
This sheep is quite bad and I hate the waffle on FB.In post 225, Space Cowboy wrote:Y'know. ABR somehow caught 3 scum in SaGa. I'm tempted to sheep him. Although I'm not sure about the conf!town for Grovyle... This doesn't seem very town!FB. Town!FB is a lot more serious than scum FB.
VOTE: D&D
When you've been mislynched 20+ times despite having been playing for less then a year onsite and you get wagoned out of the gate for the tenth time, it gets frustrating yes.In post 232, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
So you stopped me from lynching Nahdia in a pivotal moment of Bloodborne which then cascaded in a series of catastrophes and lead to a town loss, and we all got over it, but if someone else "misreads" you, then it's unfair and you want to replace out? Seems legit.In post 228, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:So I'm really pissed off at shit IRL and this game isn't helping.
Sick of being mislynched by complete fucking dumbasses who have no fucking clue how to read me and it will cloud my judgement so I'm gonna let Lilith take charge for a bit.
I would have probably replaced out at this point if I was solo ftr
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See above comment.In post 240, Space Cowboy wrote:Ok, now my vote definitely stays. They had 3(?) votes on them and blew up. There was no reason for it.
Lilith and I haven't discussed any reads yet besides both agreeing that ABR probably has a grudge against us but I'm probably going to move to Space Cowboy if she doesn't object. These posts go beyond just his posting style in scumminess, things earlier like his "being scummy is fun" are posting style scumminess but not this.
My initial Grovyle may have been wrong, I'm seeing enough for evidence for them being town from ABR and Jae to want to back off for now.
Also for Grovyle - for the people pushing us Jae is probtown, abr is null and Cowboy is a scumread.
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It means to take both sides of an argument then to settle in the middle, basically. It's something scum do to look like they're taking a side, but then leave their options open.
I don't have any problems with you eitherIn post 251, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Randomidget is always against me, Cerb is vocally against me thinking I am a bad person, you are a friendly dude SirCakez, I fully like and enjoy playing with you and you are a great guy. Your hydra is completely fine, you guys are fine. I just think you're scum.In post 249, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:Lilith and I haven't discussed any reads yet besides both agreeing that ABR probably has a grudge against us
But it really felt like, at least with the initial naked vote, that you just wanted to PL us in revenge or something akin to that.
That assumption was probably wrong since you've followed up more at least.
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Okay. Not really anything I can say to this, since I can't read Cakes' mind.In post 226, JaeReed wrote:@Lilith
I feel like by the stage in the game cakey posted he should have realized FB's push was clearly for pressure to try to get a read on me. It was pretty obvious in the fact that he continued the push after he had been disproven, and I feel like pointing out the meta thing is just for the sake of echoing others here.In post 193, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:
Hate this mod meta from Fire. Trying to out-mod meta Varsoon is absurd and will never work.In post 108, Grovyle wrote:VOTE: Jaereed
Two distinct things you gotta know about varsoon games.
Varsoon makes sme weird mechanics, and if this is anything like bloodborne, the original party leader is scum. ALWAYS!
That means jaereed must be lynched because of game mechanics, ALWAYS
No ifs ands or butts.
MOD META THIS GAME TO DEATH!!!
FOR BLOOBORNE!
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[also never moving my vote. This must go]
Plus his meta is inaccurate too. The initial leader was town in Saga, like others have noted.
I didn't like Vedith's entrance either, and it wasn't because it was a wagon on you specifically. I'm not really sure why.
Remember what ABR said about wanting to be on missions if you're scum? This fits the bill. He's picking at what is clearly an RVS wagon on me and I feel it's indicative of trying to get on my good side so that your slot is chosen for a mission. Vedith's vote was fine, imo.
I don't like this insta sheep from Vedith either.In post 121, Vedith wrote:VOTE: Jaereed
Jaereed is confirmed scum!
@Fire - Do I need to know anything about the setup for day 1?
Space Cowboy's posting is scummy, but it might just be DS's posting style. We'll see, holding off there.
VOTE: Grovyle
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The fact that Cakey acknowledged SC's posting to be scummy, then tried to dismiss it as merely being posting style and saying he'll hold off is what pings me. It's what I can imagine scum doing to avoid giving a read on their partner (or a potential mislynch if they're unsure on how the game flow is going to run).
Basically, I'm finding it hard to believe a town SirCakez would push fb of all people here over the scummier looking Space Cowboy. Or Vedith. ABR gave good reasons for Grovyle slot to be town but there is more to it than that. I'll actually go point out what I saw after this, I guess.
I don't think picking at an RVS wagon would get someone on your "good side." If it's not a serious wagon then we wouldn't get brownie points, so why would that matter?
In my experience DS is pretty solid lynchbait material and therefore, even though we think Space Cowboy is scummy, we weren't sure that their posts were scum-motivated. But since you and Cakes brought it up,
VOTE: Space Cowboy
We already explained our belief that ABR was coming after us because of a grudge from Bloodborne.This also feels like a discredit similar to how Cakey acted in Cocktail party when RC replaced in.
See above. The discredit train.In post 199, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:What about that one post bothered you?
As far as your own posting, you're quite focused on how other people are finding your slot scummy as compared to actually reading other players so far, and I also dislike that.
Discussing other people's reads on me is generally how I play. Sorry?
Uh... basically most of what you say here is not really true. Space Cowboy wasn't getting much (if any) negative attention when Cakes posted, so there's no reason for us to be posting fluff to draw attention away from them. And I think you're misreading the second paragraph. In both cases Grov is scum, but the scenario changes depending on your alignment..?In post 227, JaeReed wrote:
This is also pretty bad. The first line especially, though I'm having trouble articulating why. I don't feel like anyone who looked at what Grovyle was saying would actually believe he was truly tunneling. It feels like Cakey was surface level reading to find something to push on to take focus away from Space Cowboy, which is where the thread focus was starting to be at the time.In post 204, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:Using bad and incorrect mod meta to tunnel someone is not townie at all
I kind of get what you're saying about scum not wanting to push the party leader but I don't think it makes them "conf town"
If Jae is scum it's an easy way for Grovyle to distance from a buddy early on without actually hurting the chances of them getting on the run team
If Jae is town it puts pressure on a townie in a position with a lot of power
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The second paragraph seems to run with the assumption that Grovyle is scum. It leaves no room for town motive, yet the 2nd line is actually a point for why Grovyle could be doing it as town. He's trying to spin something into being scum motivated when it's town motivated.
Not sure if Cakes already responded to this.In post 224, Grovyle wrote:
It was the way it was went about saying that ABR had a point will still dismissing it.In post 222, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:
How is this scummy?In post 205, Grovyle wrote:
Okay, this is pretty scummy.....In post 204, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:Using bad and incorrect mod meta to tunnel someone is not townie at all
I kind of get what you're saying about scum not wanting to push the party leader but I don't think it makes them "conf town"
If Jae is scum it's an easy way for Grovyle to distance from a buddy early on without actually hurting the chances of them getting on the run team
If Jae is town it puts pressure on a townie in a position with a lot of power
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Basically saying "Yeah, I guess he is likely town, but no way is CONF TOWN!"
And the last point about pressuring a townie made no sense.
There is a difference between saying "you're right, but I won't agree with you because I want to leave my options open" and "your reasoning might be valid in some cases, but not all - it can't be used to unquestionable determine alignment."
I don't really know Cakes' thought process behind the pressuring the townie line, but I don't see any reason that would entirely preclude scum from pushing town, even if they do hold power. It's good for scum if they can get people to question someone who is a potential town leader by default.-
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Jae - I can't type up a more complex response from mobile but I feel a large part of the reason you're confused over my Grovyle push is because I thought their push was serious (Fire acknowledged that it was at one point iirc). While most of your posting seems to come from the perspective of it being a reaction wagon.
Which is what I acknowledged earlier.In post 258, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Hell no. I've consistently said that it's due to your behavior in this game, and nothing else. I don't want revenge against anybody, I'm here to win this game. The only player that I am at odds with is randomidget because he's acidic towards me.In post 257, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:I don't have any problems with you either
But it really felt like, at least with the initial naked vote, that you just wanted to PL us in revenge or something akin to that.
That assumption was probably wrong since you've followed up more at least.
It's not really the "looking at both sides" that bothers me, it's how you tried to look like you were picking a side when you weren't.In post 261, Space Cowboy wrote:[raises eyebrow]
Huh. I really haven't played with you before. Eh, yada yada meta yada, regardless, this is less than 12 hours into the game. I'm allowed to look at both sides of the issue right now. In most games this wouldn't be out of RVS.
PEdit: I'm still bummed about it (I love SK) but that game was 6 months ago. That's a really long time to hold a grudge.
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As RC used to tell me:In post 281, Space Cowboy wrote:Fire how can you say that D: I am in the game. Of course it will be. ^_^
"It only takes one player to ruin a game"
Ill let you all guess who that will be.
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RR's posting has been fairly mundane so far which is surprising. Cerb usually comes blasting out of the gate but his posts aren't doing very much here. Keeping that slot in back of mind while I read last 3 pages.
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Why aren't you voting them then?In post 301, Space Cowboy wrote:Making it up? Please. This is exactly what you do. I mean we hydrad as scum. You were careful to death and then retreated back cause it was showing. You restrain yourself as scum mate. Facts are facts and I use facts as either alignment ^_^
Yeah it's a bad habit of mine to flip out when getting wagoned as town. I was in a really terrible mood yesterday and then this exacerbated it <.<In post 306, Grovyle wrote:@Jaereed on the D&D AtE, I have seen him do this alot lately, and I think its just a general attitude towards the game that gets him frustrated.
I don't use as that alignment indicative and it kind of annoys me to see it.
I will say, I don't want to lynch (jail) him today, but I don't townread him right now.
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Gonna try to not do that in the future.
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I also didn't like World's vote hereIn post 402, MathBlade wrote:
This is weird...I don't like this vote from Worldzmine. You made a point of showing how that push wasn't scum oriented but Worldz votes Grovyle without touching/interacting with your post. It's probably this that makes Grovyle likely town.In post 366, WorldzMine wrote:In post 295, Grovyle wrote:Like exact word for words what said as scum.
And Shiro was 100% making it up.
Somehow I bought it.
~FireVOTE: Vote GrovyleI just don't like his tone so far combined with the attempted mod meta read earlier.
Felt like the skimmy vote scum who don't want to get involved would make
I had no access to internet all day until now, not sure what Lilith has been up to.In post 443, Reasonably Rational wrote:D&D, why have you disappeared? Please come back and say things so I can decide if I should sheep ABR.
Individuals with default acess to PTs, that is, Yume, PV, ABR in the Astral, and Random, Detective Moonlight, and whoever ends up taking over the Nahdia slot in the Matrix...thoughts on one another?
Everyone, thoughts on likelihood of scum within those separate groupings?
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Talking about the runs and mechanics is great and all RR, but do you actually possess any reads? I know you said earlier you like to focus on mechanics early, but previously in Varsoon games as town you at least made some sort of push early on (for example, me and Gale in Space Dandy 2). Here I can't see any sort of game solving of that kind from you.
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I agree with this sentiment.In post 525, MathBlade wrote:In post 521, karnos wrote:MathBlade is acting a bit weird compared to the last game, maybe this is town MathBlade? I dunno. I've just never seen them not tunnel one person continually.
I'm kinda busy today, not sure if I can be active or not. I don't feel any reason to move my vote, Space Cowboy still looks like a good pick for prison IMO.
This feels icky.
In response to MathBlade going "karnos is scum because they are doing all the things that I taught them to do as scum--like be so loudly wrong that nobody would think they would do that as scum," karnos goes "yeah I think mathblade is town" (implying correct read from Math?) without attempt to defend himself against the points that supposedly town!Math is making.
I've been thinking that Space Cowboy and karnos are bussing for a few pages. It seemed like they were trying to just make as much noise as possible and distract everyone from getting real stuff done. Will need to think about this more though.
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Is this reallyIn post 532, PeregrineV wrote:
when I see your name, I think "Bedknobs and Broomsticks"In post 530, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:Sorry guys, I've been really lazy about this game. Catching up shortly.
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all you have to say?
Unfortunately this is no different from Bloodborne so it's not even AI it's just incredibly frustrating.
Still rereading.
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Hey JR, can you explain your vote?In post 313, JaeReed wrote:Oh, oops. Thought my vote was already here.
VOTE: Space Cowboy
Was waiting for D&D's response to my case after I unvoted then I guess I forgot because of the thing I thought I saw that wasn't a thing... The thing I'll just kindly ask everyone to forget about >.>
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Actually it's because almost everyone seems to be scumreading one or the other.In post 540, PeregrineV wrote:
It looks like they were arguing hypotheticals and best-play tactics. Makes sense with all of the added mechanics.In post 536, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:Okay
What is your perspective on Space Cowboy's and karnos' interactions?
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Are you asking because they both have semis for you as scum?
I'm asking if you saw anything alignment indicative from the argument, since Space Cowboy claims karnos' theory talk is in fact AI.
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Isn't this a bit hypocritical? You said yourself you don't usually have many reads on D1.In post 482, Space Cowboy wrote:Koggz has 2 reads... And has played since the start... I call bullshit on this.
VOTE: Koggz
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This is annoying. Don't think it's AI though because this is usual behavior.In post 529, Yume wrote:But I can't be scum.
Can I make a request for you to actually do shit?
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Like, you say you have no reads but instead of trying to do something about it/interacting with people/show that you've made an effort to analyze posts, all you can say is "I'm not scum! I'm not scum!" and "How do you expect to organize an all-town mission?" Neither of which are very helpful.
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I really don't see the point of this post. It's not even about this game. A lot of your posts are like this, just tangential fluff that doesn't add anything and is partially off-topic even when you were addressing karnos' points about this game.In post 440, Space Cowboy wrote:
I will say, though, both of the SK roles were really amazing.In post 438, Reasonably Rational wrote:
Ilu ABR and totally meant to but didn't yet so Happy Birthday! Even though the value of it has been diminished by the fact that you specifically called us out for not doing so already, I do mean it sincerely and wish you the best for your entire birthday year!In post 429, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Haven't caught up. Did Cerb and Drixx wish me happy birthday? That's all that matters.
Yume: I can't? It's up to JarReed, but it's a matter of him identifying the most town slots in the game. It's difficult to do so when the game is, thus far, mostly setup speculation though. we need to move past all this.
For the record, even the broken combination DS is talking about had counters, in the form of a strongman kill available via long adventure paths, and a passive power neutralizer available via short adventure paths.
His caution is reasonable, but his example isn't nearly as catastrophic as he makes it sound.
Also, DS, I only used my power twice in that game, and technically I had to remove far more specific slots from the game than town did in order to win. Your point is taken though, the role was awesome.
Yume, is there anyone you're town reading at this point, and do you have any reason for those reads?
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Too bad I was lynchproof and not bulletproof... I'm much better at avoiding getting lynched (I've only been lynched twice, and one was literally the worst town I've ever seen in a Fire and Ice game)
Also, you were probably the scummiest doctor I've ever seen, to the point that nobody believed your claim when you claimed. If you're going to insult us.
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JfcIn post 570, Yume wrote:
Like, if you want me to be helpful, then don't vote me. At all. Not even as RVS vote. Because voting me triggers my defensive mechanism when I am town, making me incapable of doing anything else.In post 567, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:Like, you say you have no reads but instead of trying to do something about it/interacting with people/show that you've made an effort to analyze posts, all you can say is "I'm not scum! I'm not scum!" and "How do you expect to organize an all-town mission?" Neither of which are very helpful.
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I specifically said I don't think this behavior is alignment indicative. Nor am I voting you. It's just annoying as fuck to deal with because I have that same reaction to people voting me but I'm still trying to do shit.
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Voted Vedith for similar reasons to your disliking himIn post 574, Detective Moonlight wrote:My hydra partner doesnt seem to want discussion rn so
Am catching up
I dislike the way grovyle uses and tries to enforce faulty mod meta
And vedith just tries to blend in with it
Strongly dislike the jailing idea since there are too many unknown factors
Ok the idea gets dropped, great.
@vedith any solid reason for a scumread early on? And why did you state a scumread but only backed it up with a vote a while later?
Im liking RR. They at least provide decent arguments.
@grovyle: you say mod gives scum headstart if there are not a lot of them, but i never saw an amount anywhere. Why do you believe thats the case here?
I have to disagree with ABR. Attacking the D1 party leader based on (faulty) mod meta is in no way AI. Sure, it looks like 'town wouldnt do that because they would get excluded'. But those are the most dangerous assumptions. Look, grovyle is townread by seemingly most people at the point im now (p9) and jae would be a shit party leader not taking him based on their own personal reads. And of course they can push a jae lynch without being questioned too much.
As someone said before, cowboy's tone is scummy af. I read a lot based bon tone, but i have the feeling that it will fail for most people here. I havent seen any decent case yet on them though?
I can kinda see where D&D are coming from with their posts. I dislike the naked vedith vote tho
Liking jae, but tend to disagree on their grovyle read
@koggz why the naked vote?
Wait
@D&D you say cowboy is lynchbait and then proceed to vote? Since when is lynchbait a scumtell?
Liking mathblade. Disliking grovyle's comment about 'it takes 1 player to destroy a game' Thank you but the apathy can stay away.
Wtf is all that deathproof bullshit just talk about something that is not fluff thank you very much
Karnos finally saying what has to be said: who cares if scum goes? Town gets advantages as well? Of course, if it can be avoided, awesome, but it shouldnt be this big of a subject D1
Matrix PT is empty. Random didnt post yet, ive been too busy to bother, and nahdia is still in need of a replacement.
Koggz is meh. Dunno what to think of them
Scumreads so far are vedith, grovyle and to a lesser extent cowboy and D&D
Let me try to start a wagon
VOTE: grovyle
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We held off on initially voting Space Cowboy because he is lynchbait. But he is being scummy beyond what I think is just lynchbait-iness.
It matters whether scum goes because it could give them the power to obliterate town later on if they go on several missions (individually or collectively).
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Awk.In post 580, lilith2013 wrote:
I forgot?In post 578, Detective Moonlight wrote:Ok, ok, and i guess ok. Not feeling like re-igniting thesetup discussion when there is relevant stuff going on.
Why not comment on our grovyle vote?
I disagree with some of the things you said overall but need to discuss more with Cakes.
I think it's curious that you think space cowboy's tone is "scummy af" but you are only mildly scumreading them.
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Whatever. Not going to argue about something that was months ago.
My point was that you were trying to look like you were saying something relevant (i.e. in response to karnos' posts) but you weren't actually saying things that were relevant, or you were trying to confuse/distract by actively making parts of those replies irrelevant.
Not necessarily. Again, you said yourself that you rarely have reads D1 and I'm sure that's true of many people, even with scumhunting. I don't see you scumreading Yume--in fact you're townreading her--or PV, for that matter. If you said specifically that Koggz has failed to scumhunt or actively interact with people then maybe that'd be valid, but I don't believe that from her ISO you can definitively say that either.
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I had a big multiquote then it disappeared somehow q.q
I'll just put my thoughts here
RR - at the time of your comment that said "I only make early pushes when there's massive contradictions but no one is talking" there were nearly 20 pages. How is that "no one talking"?
I didn't mind Grovyle's Koggz's vote but Space Cowboy following them on it was really awful.
Koggz is a town lean for me
Also lean town on PV
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And you townread everyone who was posting during that time?In post 608, Reasonably Rational wrote:
15 pages would be more accurate, and the majority of that was groyle and space cowboy, with a bit of JaeReed and myself, and it was largely setup and mechanic discussion.In post 606, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:I had a big multiquote then it disappeared somehow q.q
I'll just put my thoughts here
RR - at the time of your comment that said "I only make early pushes when there's massive contradictions but no one is talking" there were nearly 20 pages. How is that "no one talking"?
I didn't mind Grovyle's Koggz's vote but Space Cowboy following them on it was really awful.
Koggz is a town lean for me
Also lean town on PV
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So yes, that is no one talking.
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YuckIn post 637, Reasonably Rational wrote:In post 634, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:
And you townread everyone who was posting during that time?In post 608, Reasonably Rational wrote:
15 pages would be more accurate, and the majority of that was groyle and space cowboy, with a bit of JaeReed and myself, and it was largely setup and mechanic discussion.In post 606, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:I had a big multiquote then it disappeared somehow q.q
I'll just put my thoughts here
RR - at the time of your comment that said "I only make early pushes when there's massive contradictions but no one is talking" there were nearly 20 pages. How is that "no one talking"?
I didn't mind Grovyle's Koggz's vote but Space Cowboy following them on it was really awful.
Koggz is a town lean for me
Also lean town on PV
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So yes, that is no one talking.
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-dragonsIn post 364, Reasonably Rational wrote:@Mathblade: I forgot to respond to you earlier, but know, I do not have any x must be y for z reasons to suggest at this point, other than agreeing with ABRs point about the lack of scum motivation for Groyvles push on JaeReed.
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It's been 30 pages, you should have SOMETHING by now
Dragons = SirCakez, Daenerys = lilithIn post 643, MathBlade wrote:
I like dragons head. Not sure who is who of the heads but dragons head seems to have good questions.In post 634, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:
And you townread everyone who was posting during that time?In post 608, Reasonably Rational wrote:
15 pages would be more accurate, and the majority of that was groyle and space cowboy, with a bit of JaeReed and myself, and it was largely setup and mechanic discussion.In post 606, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:I had a big multiquote then it disappeared somehow q.q
I'll just put my thoughts here
RR - at the time of your comment that said "I only make early pushes when there's massive contradictions but no one is talking" there were nearly 20 pages. How is that "no one talking"?
I didn't mind Grovyle's Koggz's vote but Space Cowboy following them on it was really awful.
Koggz is a town lean for me
Also lean town on PV
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So yes, that is no one talking.
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So MathBlade is town. Don't see scum going balls to the walls here and poking such an active slot.In post 648, MathBlade wrote:From that post -- I noted the data ( as I'm sure *someone* on the scum team was smart enough to do already
Yes you said that scum were doing calculations.
And scum don't have to find town. So why the hell else would they do calculations?
Thirdly why the hell do you put me as scum as a townread of yours.
You said and I quote "if after this game I go to the scum PT and see you didn't think to do this".
Guess what genius I am not in the scum PT and trying to suggest that is all kinds of bad.
Mafia is a game of reading people. I use numbers to supplement but not make my case. Posting certain things only hurts people regardless of how easy it is to do. I could use my math degree and post a shit ton of things and write a program to do a lot of things. however I find the more numbers talk the less engaged people can be.
VOTE: Reasonably Rational
Pedit: KlingonCelt as they said have many different things to do in meat world at times. I asked again specifically to see if a certain response comes up. But now that you mentioned ignoring it is invalid. *sigh*What are your non-Space Cowboy reads? Your ISO is pretty devoid.
Why should we slow down? Space Cowboy isn't getting any townier.In post 673, Reasonably Rational wrote:I believe that's L-2.
I believe this is the point where I yell at people a bit to slow down etc.
That is all.
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Also my Grovyle scumread has turned into a town lean, forgot if I said this earlier.
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Ye but that doesn't mean you should shut down wagons.In post 741, Reasonably Rational wrote: We should slow down because there is still conversation happening.
Also, you're acting like you've never played with me before. You're getting upset with me for not having reads on D1, when it should be quite clear from our play together in the past that I generally don't have reads on D1. Why is this a problem this game, when it hasn't been in the past?
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Because in the past on day 1 you have have reads of some sort ffs.
It's a general belief I have.In post 742, Reasonably Rational wrote:
Mechanically yes, it is a waste. However, the only thing it's useful for is denying someone the ability to vote(unless that is specifically an exception to the post restriction ). So, yeah, not a big deal.In post 739, JaeReed wrote:
Is it a waste if it makes me as happy as I am right now? I think not.In post 736, Space Cowboy wrote:Also, JaeReed, you wasted that item on that use? [sigh]
I tossed up using it to control the Lieutenant somewhat but this was what I decided on. Something that would keep me smiling all of D1/N1 at least
Oh also, D&D: I don't know Mathblade very well. Why do you say he wouldn't poke such an active slot? Is this based on knowledge of his play, or is it just a general belief you have? There are other active slots that have been poked by people. Does that mean those pushing them are all unlikely to be scum?
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No, the manner of how Math did it make me think he's town.Terrible reaction
This has been discussed a lot while I was out but yeah looks like a scumslip happened and Menno and Space Cowboy are buddies
McMenno scumslipped in one of the PTs that he has access to another PT.In post 826, Vedith wrote:Why are we voting McMeno?
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I believe it was you who said that alignment is not random, it's dependent on role drafts. Did you not consider the possibility that two scum happened to choose roles that were in the Matrix PT?In post 859, Reasonably Rational wrote:Koggz, you believe scum had two posting members of the Matrix PT at game start?
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Yes, we have the choice for the other reward, as Cakes said. We have the ability to permanently lock one mission from being run going forward. ABR's suggestion was to lock the mission that would break people from jail, his reasoning being that the sooner we block all ways we can break people out, the sooner we're able to see flips. (Honestly, I think the fastest way to do that is to break two people out of jail as soon as possible.) We still haven't chosen a mission to lock, so Cakes asked for thoughts on how best to utilize the reward. I don't think anyone has responded.In post 1027, MathBlade wrote:The Great and Powerful Trixie thinks they should be town blocks as much as the Great and Powerful Trixie usually hates them. In this case the Great and Powerful Trixie thinks they work well.
The Great and Powerful Trixie thinks that this is the reason for one of the rules in the original post.
If the group given is a town block then the rewards will almost certainly benefit town. Especially since it looks like the Party Leader makes the final decision so The Great and Powerful Trixie says it is likely the Lieutenant chooses the other reward. D&D correct me if The Great and Powerful Trixie is wrong.
Who would you put on a mission ABR?
I haven't read the rest of Day 2 yet, will do so later today hopefully.
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This makes no senseIn post 1016, karnos wrote:
Okay, that is useful. We know grovyle and drixx were town. Either you or mathblade are scum. Thinking about it, it doesn't matter who suggested my name, it would have been obvious to frame the cop target regardless of who it was.In post 1012, JaeReed wrote:
Karnos, I didn't decide alone. Grovyle was against the check, Drixx was in the run (he infiltrated) but I don't remember him stating an opinion on who to check. I hashed it out with The Great and Powerful Trixie. It was between you or Worldzmine. It was set on a timer for 1 minute before night end in case you were town and scum had you targeted for a kill in order to make the kill attempt fail.
If its a Framer that messed with you like you've been pushing, then "math or Jae must be scum" doesn't fit at all
You're just scum flailing
Math, Jae, you, Koggz, random, us, SooperIn post 1026, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Who should be on the next missions?
The pool of players is already pretty small which sucks
No, it's just a theory that we all agreed onIn post 1045, JaeReed wrote: @D&D/ABR/Random is there any confirmation that the way to trigger the prison break is via a mission?
???In post 1054, Randomnamechange wrote:Wait guys I can gigure out how to prison break w/ missions
This looks like scum trying to create interest in a last ditch mislynchIn post 1063, karnos wrote:Also, in the interest of transparency, the bounty on WorldzMine is indeed a real bounty.
There is a reward, if he is lynched, for the fifth player on the wagon to vote for him. Doublevoting the following day or 1X bulletproof. So there is another reason to vig kill me, if you must, so that you can actually lynch WorldzMine later and collect the bounty. As far as I read my role, it doesn't matter if I am already dead, the reward should still occur.
I'll have moe time to post tomorrow, and I can go over more details of my role and various happenings in prison chat, if there is interest.
Which is lol
PV and Vedith are pretty questionable choicesIn post 1093, SooperDetective wrote:Ok i think i kinda know what to do
Ill do arson, together with peregrinev and vedith (their stats are great)
Doubting about vedith here cuz i have him as a more null read
Abr, jae and math seem the towniest to me and abr requested something. I think ill let you go on demolitions
If this is ok, ill submit and we can move on
Why those two?
The only problem I have with this is possible night bullshit like redirectors and scum docs being possible.In post 1108, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I'm fine with vigging karnos. He can get out of jail if we lynch him.
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Not a scumslip if they specifically set the trigger for a minute before night. And both Mathblade and Jaereed said this, so if one scumslipped about deadlines then the other did too. Also it makes no sense for the scum deadline to be different.Jaereed wrote:"I put you on a timer to be copped."
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karnos wrote:
So you think it's possible that Jaereed received the reward for successful mission before the mission was started?In post 1152, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:
Not a scumslip if they specifically set the trigger for a minute before night. And both Mathblade and Jaereed said this, so if one scumslipped about deadlines then the other did too. Also it makes no sense for the scum deadline to be different.Jaereed wrote:"I put you on a timer to be copped."
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I just don't understand how that makes sense to you, these time travel paradoxes don't actually work in real life.
One minute before night ends was when the copping occurred.In post 978, Bold Vote Scientist wrote:JaeReed picked between the mission rewards for this mission.
JaeReed could give control of Mr. Johnson to a particular player. That player may not be sent on any particular mission and cannot be a party leader or lieutenant in any way.
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JaeReed may publicly cop a player. This option may ONLY be selected once per game. This player that is publicly copped cannot be killed that night.
They picked to publically cop a player.
Karnos is confirmed to be aligned with Aztechnology or Lonestar and not the Shadowrunners.
Night continues for 1 more minute. Adventure PTs will be locked then.
I'll be resolving all night actions after I get some sleep.
Did a miswording really confuse you that much?
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What are your reads? Your recent posting has contributed nothing.
Why don't you answer this yourself?In post 1144, Vedith wrote:So who are we lynching today?
ffs people you need to have independent reads
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I think it's more likely to be something that is invoked before night starts, yes. Just given timing issues if it's during the mission running (what happens if the scum on the mission don't get to the thread before the votes are in? Does the mod have to wait? That seems a little unfair).In post 1179, JaeReed wrote:
Can you elaborate on why it doesn't fit from your point of view?In post 1130, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:
This makes no senseIn post 1016, karnos wrote:
Okay, that is useful. We know grovyle and drixx were town. Either you or mathblade are scum. Thinking about it, it doesn't matter who suggested my name, it would have been obvious to frame the cop target regardless of who it was.In post 1012, JaeReed wrote: Karnos, I didn't decide alone. Grovyle was against the check, Drixx was in the run (he infiltrated) but I don't remember him stating an opinion on who to check. I hashed it out with The Great and Powerful Trixie. It was between you or Worldzmine. It was set on a timer for 1 minute before night end in case you were town and scum had you targeted for a kill in order to make the kill attempt fail.
If its a Framer that messed with you like you've been pushing, then "math or Jae must be scum" doesn't fit at all
You're just scum flailing
You townread both of the people you were in a mission with last night despite scum sabotaging it? Can you go into that? Do you think scum sabotaging it was something they could submit during the night that happened instantly, or something lined up during the dayphase on D1?In post 1130, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:
Math, Jae, you, Koggz, random, us, SooperIn post 1026, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Who should be on the next missions?
The pool of players is already pretty small which sucks
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The series of posts you made is easy to fake and not a "townslip" by any means (plus, uninformed could just mean you deliberately didn't read scumchat first). Then you keep trying to push your own posts as townslips when they're not, which is different than if someone else pointed it out and was townreading you for that reason and then pushed it. But you're the one pushing it to be confirming you as town so I'm less inclined to believe it. And it's getting pretty annoying when that's all you can talk about.In post 1177, WorldzMine wrote: Look at my posts near the end of D1. I had *no clue* what was going on and was answering interesting post in real time. My thoughts continually changed as I got more caught up and the progression of my thoughts were plainly laid out. If I was scum I wouldn't of did that because I would of obviously caught up with all the game changing things that happened in the scum thread before posting.
It shows clearly that I'm uniformed and that points to one alignment and one alignment only--town.
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