STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[farside22]

Like the vig shot I've claimed.
Not really a vig shot, but I can convert the points to make my vote count extra.

[farside22]

Just an FYI to those following this.
Your town leader stopped from finding real scum in this because her tunnel on me needs to be resolved first.

Congrats to Titus for helping the scum team hide.

Great job.

That will go in my post Game thoughts.

I wanted to align with RR because of the points he gave.
Just saying.

Oh and grapes didn't take a night 2, so he want have any notice about me.

[farside22]

Dgb is up.

Oh and

VOTE: Farside

So how many town will you lynch before you listen to one you lynched?

Just wondering. I'd like to know if I'll be pointing and laughing at you awful play for the rest of the game.

[farside22]

You know sine math was scum reading math was scum reading shiro and I am.

Just wondering about how think that head is.

[farside22]

Sorry meant to say math was scum reading shiro.
And look one of my scum reads is voting me toof.
So cute

[farside22]

Let me get this straight, you wanted me to claim a negative utility role and hope when I say hey you target me and I'll get bonus even though it's negative and know in my heart of hearts no one would target me.
Sadly the only reason Titus knows she was blocked by me was because she targetted me.
A noisy ascetic for scum is awful.
But hey who cares, right Titus.

Awwww Shiro are you buddying me? If you haven't noticed I'm not a buddying type.

[farside22]

Please state whom you picked for beach prize at the start of day 3 in order given.


kraskaesque - claimed
SnarkySnowman - claimed
DrippingGoofball
randomidget
Not Chara
Shadow_step
Reasonably Rational - claimed
Shiro - claimed
Xkfyu
farside22 - claimed
TheFuzzylogic
TheWayItEnds
Skybird
MagnaofIllusion
Creature - claimed
Firebringer - claimed
Almost50
grapes
McMenno
Yume
mastina
Titus

[farside22]

Farside why did you target me?

Math had a scum read on you and I thought your vote in the end was bad.

Your not going to be lynching me.
So there is that.

[farside22]

Farside why did you target me?

This is a good question actually. Now that farside has disappeared hopefully it gets addressed whenever she pops back in.

OK back to V/LA for Wife's birthday dinner at a restaurant I can't stand. Yay me.

Sorry I didn't know I wasn't allowed to go away from the game and have a meal with the family.
I'll work on being her 24-7.

[farside22]

Nee chan, math-senpai was scumreading Dgb and her powers are pretty weird for town. Thoughts?

I know you are iffy that I was voting Dgb yesterday but come on D:

I think her push on math was crap.
But then you have snarky pushing there.
Is he a busser?

[farside22]

For the beach palooza event? The whole reason the thread was locked for two days???

She's playing dumb.
Move onto next claim.
Put her under none.

[farside22]

Then why aren't you voting her?

Why do you care?
Your lynching me regardless.
Right?
So I'm just waiting for the beach to be done, not claiming shit and seeing how things go.
And regardless of youreads feelings and push, I won't be lynched.

[farside22]

Then why aren't you voting her?

Why do you care?
Your lynching me regardless.
Right?
So I'm just waiting for the beach to be done, not claiming shit and seeing how things go.
And regardless of youreads feelings and push, I won't be lynched.

Before you viglynch someone, can you at least make sure all the alliances and stuff are in place? Thanks!

-Cerb

Your cute.

[farside22]

Then why aren't you voting her?

Why do you care?
Your lynching me regardless.
Right?
So I'm just waiting for the beach to be done, not claiming shit and seeing how things go.
And regardless of youreads feelings and push, I won't be lynched.

Before you viglynch someone, can you at least make sure all the alliances and stuff are in place? Thanks!

-Cerb

I don't want anyone in range for that to trigger. If she's scum, she'll shoot Steven or Mastina.

I also would like to give her the ability to be reasonable here if town.

Pretty sure regardless of my ubber vote ability, I'm not using it yet.
Still waiting, but yes I'd vote dgb.
Snarky still there, shiro, we'll I'm still wondering about that early push and complete 180 on A50.

[farside22]

Please state whom you picked for beach prize at the start of day 3 in order given.


kraskaesque - claimed
SnarkySnowman - claimed
DrippingGoofball - claimed
randomidget
Not Chara-claimed
Shadow_step
Reasonably Rational - claimed
Shiro - claimed
Xkfyu
farside22 - claimed
TheFuzzylogic
TheWayItEnds
Skybird
MagnaofIllusion
Creature - claimed
Firebringer - claimed
Almost50
grapes
McMenno
Yume
mastina
Titus

[farside22]

@Titus: she said she gets points to power up her vote. Yesterday it was worth 6 or something.

You failed an action on her.

It could easily be worth +11 now.

Basically no way for us to know what her "range" is now.

Why wouldn't she shoot you if scum titus?


And about the finale: Drixx and I haven't come to terms, and fire hasn't agreed yet. I want fb/random for sorting and to resolve whatever fb is thinking about us, and he wants you+whoever else for game solving stuff.

-Cerb

Only one person has targetted me.

[farside22]

Random you don't want to align with me so I can get more points?

[farside22]

Sorry I meant rr.

[farside22]

@RR, I am claimed bulletproof as long as I am allied, exactly like SirCakez was. Plus, it would ensure auto lynch when her whole goal is not to be lynched.

We can ally.

RR please stop being Farside's defense attorney. Ty.

Listen to the girl.
Don't clogged up the thread to stuff she'll never listen to and call you scum for disagreeing.

[farside22]

Thanks rr!

[farside22]

You already have my post Game comment waiting back there Titus.
My play makes more sense given my role, then your ego.

[farside22]

*Sits comfortablely in electric chair*
It's turned off, you may want to try someone else.

[farside22]

Please state whom you picked for beach prize at the start of day 3 in order given.


kraskaesque - claimed
SnarkySnowman - claimed
DrippingGoofball - claimed

randomidget

Not Chara-claimed
Shadow_step
Reasonably Rational - claimed
Shiro - claimed
Xkfyu
farside22 - claimed
TheFuzzylogic
TheWayItEnds
Skybird
MagnaofIllusion
Creature - claimed
Firebringer - claimed
Almost50
grapes
McMenno
Yume
mastina
Titus

[farside22]

No it really doesn't.

You tell your hood mates, then you have a ready made pool of people who can only visit you and a few others. Your odds of being visited go up exponentially.

You should really go back and read rr post from day 2.
Somethings maybe more clear.

As for your comment i thought about that, but if you hadn't noticed no one in that group was really playing to help each other to work as a team.

[farside22]

Why don't you just full claim so I can do what RR asked of me?

No offense but the last player that full claimed got lynched anyways.
I'll decline that offer since I don't believe it matters to you.

I'll tell you this much.
My character is kevin.
Human
My characters isn't a nice guy to steven and a bit of a jerk from what I read.

[farside22]

No. They were not doing what you wanted. Scum had infected. If you're town, you have been doing their bidding since Day 1. The 180 on SirCakez was thE indicator on that. You unilaterally decided no one was cooperating.

Still, there's a result on you. RR says it's really valuable. You will need to fullclaim for us to consider it.

You must of missed where a50 asked us to work together and not vote against each other.
I tried working with that.

[farside22]

Please state whom you picked for beach prize at the start of day 3 in order given.


kraskaesque - claimed
SnarkySnowman - claimed
DrippingGoofball - claimed

randomidget

Not Chara-claimed
Shadow_step
Reasonably Rational - claimed
Shiro - claimed
Xkfyu
farside22 - claimed
TheFuzzylogic
TheWayItEnds
Skybird
MagnaofIllusion
Creature - claimed
Firebringer - claimed
Almost50
grapes
McMenno
Yume
mastina
Titus

This list should really include who each person voted for and how many points that represents for that person, if the person making the claim is town.

If you don't do it farside, I'll add it in sometime tomorrow hopefully. Sorta busy this weekend, but I'll try.

-Cerb

I'm kind of waiting hoping for scum slipping.
I'm keeping tabs in the PT with nc who said what.

[farside22]

What abilities do you get if we target you?

No offense but the last player that full claimed got lynched anyways.
I'll decline that offer since I don't believe it matters to you.

[farside22]

Rr: serious question. Do you really believe based on what Titus said above that she really will change her views on me.
Personally I highly doubt anything will change her mind.

[farside22]

Titus your not suspicious at all about dgb blatantly brown nosing you?

Of course I am. But I have proven that Farside omitted things that are lynchable for on their own, Farside's treated me like shit all game, refused to full claim after I exposed them, their Roleblocker claim is full of crap, they blew up the joyride when it seemed to have no purpose for their role, shaded Yume and just spammed the shit out of the thread.

I will love suspicious niceness compared to Farside right now.

2 out of 4 girl could be said about you.
Treated like shit and spamming the thread.

I slept on it and although I'm 95% certain you'll call me scum with my claim and all the proof is in the game and you'll just ignore it here is what you missed with my subtle hints.

The points can be used to help town.
As I said I can use them to make my vote multiply.

There is an event I can trigger which I need to be at a certain point and the level will be at a certain point and a player and I will be in a race.
The race I'm not explaining further since I'll be alive to use it ifor not shot tonight thanks to Titus ousting me.

The final thing is if I chose not to use my ability at all at a certain point system I leave the game and go from town to a 3rd party win con.
And if you haven't guessed by now, apparently, I get points for disbanding from players.

So in short end of day 1, pretty sick of Titus attitude, stopped caring/trying to even reason with her, disbanded, asked everyone to target me so I can get the fuck out of the game with a garenteed win then watching sheeping, dealing with fighting and hoping it happened before day 2.
As you can see no luck.

[farside22]

So congrats Titus you ousted a townie trying for a 3rd party win con.
I'm sure your proud, or more likely still saying I'm scum.

[farside22]

@random, you're up to claim who you voted for in the beach event.

@farside, the problem with that is there's already a third party wincon. You've been from your perspective, pursuing it ever since we didn't cave to your demands to not vote scum. :/ if you thought I was that bad, why not report my posts or sub out? This just seems to be an excuse to perpetuate fighting.

I have given you every opportunity to be civil, and all I get is more being a jerk, insulting my play, and more revelations about how "not town" you've been but demanding I treat you as such.

I did report to the mod.
The game is so clogged I wouldn't wish this on anyone to replace.
As for your nice moments.....Uhmm you mean how you say let's try to work together while you shove your opinion as the only one that matters?
Or how scummy it is not to follow you?
Or to rant to the point of calling me whiney every chance you can whether I post or not.
Your one to talk about telling me I demand players listen to me.
You should take a hard look in the mirror because you could ask nc, Fire, math, kraska about how much you bullied this game to follow you.

At leat my action for things I did are role related. You literally took this beach event away from the town to follow this petty shit.

Don't worry I'm not replacing out.
But thanks for showing this game you don't care about finding scum, or claim, or responses to the numerous question that need to be responded to this second or else.
You care about your ego more.

[farside22]

mod v/LA for 3 days

[farside22]

@titus
i think what fayar said about you not being aware of how your actions are playing a huge part in keeping this shitfest going is true
back when i bitched a little on day 2 about you two, far immediately backed down but then you baited her again
and at the start of this day you were totally baiting her before she even posted anything
suffice to say the fact that you went as far as unnecessarily confirm yourself as town and knowingly ruined RR's plan to do a "HA! IN YOUR FACE" to far is...

Well at least someone else saw that.

Just keep the votes coming.
The beach thing is a bust.

NC has my reads.
Nothing I saw will sway Titus and she must have her way.
And before she plays victium again about how I called her names or shit.
The amount of name calling she did far exceeded anything I said. Forgive me for having an opinion that doesn't match Titus.
No need to worry about that happening again.

mod:extending deadline to 5 days

[farside22]

I was able to get caught up with the long night/locked thread phase. I see there is an order for claiming who we voted for in the BP event, so I won't reveal my vote right now. I did get an alliance with Xkfyu. Still not sure what his alignment is.

Can I see your reads then?

Here's what I have so far. I'm still ISOing people trying to figure some of them out. That's the group at the bottom still "in process".

Town

Titus – confirmed town
Mastin – very nearly confirmed town
Yume – very nearly confirmed town

Near Town

RR – His interactions show me that he is trying to solve the game. Also the Hydra dissonance. I feel this shows that both heads are active and trying to solve the game.
TheFuzzylogic99 – Based on Math’s read since Math flipped town.
Almost50
Grapes

Null

Kraskaeaque
Xkfyu – I wanted to have a PT with him to better sort him. Part of why I am leaning scum on him is his claim he made in our PT. He’s also making no attempt to sort my alignment. I am not seeing anything in the thread that makes me think he’s town. But I have other input from Steven indicating that he is town. So I'm not sure which way to go here.

Almost Scum

Farside – I felt she was town in our PT. The things putting her here instead of the next level up is the stubbornness and game play like blowing up the Joy Ride and the weird claim. I’m not opposed to lynching her but would rather lynch from my scum pool right now.

Scum Pool

DGB – no attempts to figure the game out and weird claims/gambits.
TWIE – Haven’t seen much from him (if anything). I know this is the way that TWIE normally is, but by now I would expect to start seeing some insights into players.
Snarkysnowman

Still Processing

Shadow Step
Shiro
Not Chara
MagnaofIllusion
McMenno
Creature
Randomidget
Firebringer

This is scum skybird.
Just an fyi

[farside22]

@titus
i think what fayar said about you not being aware of how your actions are playing a huge part in keeping this shitfest going is true
back when i bitched a little on day 2 about you two, far immediately backed down but then you baited her again
and at the start of this day you were totally baiting her before she even posted anything
suffice to say the fact that you went as far as unnecessarily confirm yourself as town and knowingly ruined RR's plan to do a "HA! IN YOUR FACE" to far is...

Well at least someone else saw that.

Just keep the votes coming.
The beach thing is a bust.

NC has my reads.
Nothing I saw will sway Titus and she must have her way.
And before she plays victium again about how I called her names or shit.
The amount of name calling she did far exceeded anything I said. Forgive me for having an opinion that doesn't match Titus.
No need to worry about that happening again.

mod:extending deadline to 5 days

Deadline? Did you mean your V/LA?

Elaborate on Skybird please.

-Cerb

V/LA extended.

Skybird and I spoke at length. She questioned why I blew up the joy ride, but I didn't feel I could trust her.
She gave weak reads and at the end of the day thought xfyul was scum, whom she barely mentions now.
Her scum list basically is a who is lurking scum list.
That's pretty weak from her.

[farside22]

Also I wouldn't be surprised if I'm not the only player with a 3rd party win con.
My gut say dgb probably falls under that category.

[farside22]

Fair enough. The xkfyu point can't be properly evaluated without knowing what he claimed to her and what steven has told her about it.

And I was telling you all yesterday that third parties are a thing here. I actually have evidence of at least 2 third party factions in this game, though only one has a pt/is informed at all.

So, were you playing towards a town win con, with the third party thing as an out just in case, or were you playing for the 3p win con the whole time? Is that why you were saying you weren't going to be using your vote power, so you wouldn't use up your points and put yourself further away from your alternative win condition?

@Yume: I said two things about peridot. Not sure which one you're saying is correct, but I did receive separate confirmation about my mechanical suspicions regarding peridot, whic simultaneously disproved my identity theory.

-Cerb

Yeah, it sound fun at first, hey let's get point, get a 3rd party win and call it a game.
I also had the town win condition if I can't reach the right number of points.
I use the points and I start getting further from the 3rd opportunity.
I think my event is useful but in the end I wasnt thinking about it since I use points to get it going.

Funny story I asked the mod in the PT how many points we gwt if Chara votes self and I vote nc and he told us 5 points.
Poor mod unknowingly mod confirmed us to each other with that response without meaning to.

[farside22]

Fair enough. The xkfyu point can't be properly evaluated without knowing what he claimed to her and what steven has told her about it.

And I was telling you all yesterday that third parties are a thing here. I actually have evidence of at least 2 third party factions in this game, though only one has a pt/is informed at all.

So, were you playing towards a town win con, with the third party thing as an out just in case, or were you playing for the 3p win con the whole time? Is that why you were saying you weren't going to be using your vote power, so you wouldn't use up your points and put yourself further away from your alternative win condition?

@Yume: I said two things about peridot. Not sure which one you're saying is correct, but I did receive separate confirmation about my mechanical suspicions regarding peridot, whic simultaneously disproved my identity theory.

-Cerb

Yeah, it sound fun at first, hey let's get point, get a 3rd party win and call it a game.
I also had the town win condition if I can't reach the right number of points.
I use the points and I start getting further from the 3rd opportunity.
I think my event is useful but in the end I wasnt thinking about it since I use points to get it going.

Funny story I asked the mod in the PT how many points we gwt if Chara votes self and I vote nc and he told us 5 points.
Poor mod unknowingly mod confirmed us to each other with that response without meaning to.

That's not mod confirmation. That's what the mechanics for the event state.

So the 3p thing waa the goal, got it.

So if we refuse to ally with you for the rest of the game, and nobody targets you, you'll be forced to play for a town win, yes?

@NC: you should read the rest of the game, it's a good lesson in living on the edge of death. I couldn't win with town. As soon as I removed all my targets, which included the entire scum team, I endgamed everyone else.

There's no reason for farside to claim.being 3p here. She's not on the verge of lynch, and she has nothing to offer town. There's no real parallels to my situation in SF.

-Cerb

Beach city says scum gets 1 point voting there alliance buddy and 1.5 for voting themselves.
That doesn't equal 5.

This is important.

Titus does not have a guilty. She targeted me and was told by the mod I roleblocked her

And again I'm not going to be lynched but this is fun watching math 2.0 all over again.

[farside22]

Oh and RR to your second question, you want to know if I'll use my points to vote scum, then yes I would, if you haven't noticed I'm still scum hunting and doing things day 1 even with that 3rd party option out there.
Titus also forced the claim, she didn't want to wait, now that I claimed she says it was necessary.
Basically I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't.
That's pretty shitty attitude to go against.

Let's see...........
Grapes only really saw cakez scum, his push on math felt forced. I didn't believe half the things he said so when it was all said and done I felt more him scum then town.
Yume shad stuff I think was day 1, where yume barely engaged in the PT. She just floated around giving vague reads. Mastin claimed the mason thing but I don't see why anyone should believe that from jump.
And finally the things that many missed is I said I knew Titus didn't have a guilty on me before she claimed I rb her.
I asked to align with RR day 2 because he gives points to people.

So as much as someone is being an emotional hypocrite who is allowed to tell others not to be listened to, my play makes sense.
That is all.

[farside22]

Why would the mod tell her you roleblocked her if you targeted Grapes? I am a bit confused. Do you have some ascetics that would cause this?

I'm a noisy ascentic. You target me and told I roleblocked you.

[farside22]

Rr: do you know who is 3rd party?

[farside22]

Slightly confused on this wagon on farside.

The tldr
Titus targeted me, was told I rb her.
I didn't claim ascetic till Titus outed my ability.
I claimed town that gets points for players targeting me and disbanding alliances. Those points can be used to convert into a bigger vote or at some time become 3rd party and leave the game.

[farside22]

I'd like to align with RR and get the 3rd party win con, I think it would benefit in the long run, since, she that shall not be named, will just tunell this to death and never listen to a dead townie after flip regardless.

[farside22]

I get the huge anti town play from you.
What I don't get is why we are lynching you over scum hiding among the lurkers/sheep

Talk to the tunneller.

I'm thinking a few lurkers maybe 3rd party.
Heck I thought you were 3rd party after a bit day 1.

[farside22]

if yoru going to just go for 3rd party, why shouldn't i just vote you now?

I won't be lynched and your helping me doing so.

[farside22]

Your claiming unlynchable now?

You can vote and find out.

[farside22]

Rr: do you know who is 3rd party?

I believe I've identified 5 of them, but I have confirmation of only 3.

-Cerb

DGB, Creature, random, TWIE, Firebringer?

[farside22]

Rr: do you know who is 3rd party?

I believe I've identified 5 of them, but I have confirmation of only 3.

-Cerb

DGB, Creature, random, TWIE, Firebringer?

I'm not going to confirm any of that, because as I said yesterday, I'm of the opinion thst it's like a number if them are effectively town, and are really practically conftown, so I'm not going to out them until I see a flip that makes it possible for them to win without town.

-Cerb

The first 2 are important for scum analyst

[farside22]

The first one is also more likely to be lynched when the vote count resets today if I'm lynched.

[farside22]

How are you getting neutral from TWIE posts?
He clearly isn't 3rd party

Last time I saw him he seemed to post more in games.
His play is more riding low under the radar.

I think grapes might have a point on you sky

I think so to.

Considering all day 2 was sky telling me she believed I was town to the complete 180 today for weak reason.

[farside22]

FARSIDE VOTE SHAASQOE WITH ME

I'm think Skybird.

Vote: skybird

Ill look at shadow, you look at sky, we compare notes.

[farside22]

Shadow: did you get access to the PT with Skybird?
If so what was the activity level in the pt?

[farside22]

her play doesn't make sense as a group scum. it makes sense as someone going for a third party win condition.
her play in our topic is some next-level effort considering the only player she can convince with it is me.

if farside is scum, then her claim is not her mod-provided fakeclaim. unless you think Varsoon gave scum a third party fakeclaim? if that's your theory, i could listen.
assuming Varsoon wouldn't do so: it's quite a gambit as scum to avoid claiming one's own fakeclaim in favour of claiming a messy third party.

i can see why Yume made that play. what i don't see is why scum have made NO KILLS. does it have something to do with the cluster event? were they blocked, or protected?

That's why I am pondering whether Farside would run that sort of Gambit. Varsoon explicitly told us that he handcrafted safe fake claims for scum BEFORE he made town roles so that they would hold up. Here's the reality though Not Chara:

1.) Voting you was her idea.
2.) The idea that it would "mechanically clear" both of you was her idea.
3.) Instead of waiting to get all the vote claims, the idea that you two were conftown got pushed, and that idea originated with her.

That's either

really

town, or

really

scum. You want to bet the game on it being the first?

~Drixx

P-Edit: I see what you mean Titus. That makes total sense given SC's flip. That said, isn't there a super obvious person who is almost certainly the traitor we're looking for?

Someone that shall not be named didn't want to wait till claims.
The rest is accurate

[farside22]

In regards to she that shall not be named said.
My responses in bold.

@NC, I apologize for the poor wording but the strong resistance to the Farside wagon mostly coming from those who didn't vote confirmed town in the beach event says something.

The fact Farside gambited (regardless of her alignment) to be conftown says something.

that never hapoened

The fact Farside denied Yume alliance abilities (we'll more accurately thought she would have) says something.

already was know yume was in alliance day 1 with mastin before disbanding. Point is invalid

The fact Farside made several players cease to be bulletproof without consulting others seriously says something.

That was explained already to the one that called me power hungry

The fact Farside withheld being ascetic until there was no other option says something.

for valid reason

Farside's claim that she blocked grapes, who is obviously fuking town and she never pushed as scum all game says something.

excuse me for taking a dead townies points into consideration

The 180 on SirCakez when Mastina and I reached an agreement on SirCakez says something.

this was explained already, you just don't care to believe it

When her read was wrong, her continued attacks in the same manner SirCakez says something.

I saw a cooralation between scum cakez and shiro

Her pattern of ending neighborhoods when the other parties don't treat her like God says something.

bahhawahaha this coming from the player who thinks everyone should sheep her or their scum

Her inability to go after or even hint at the other ascetics being liars says something.

cough 3rd party win con

There's too much to overlook.

So who wants to bet that after its proven I can't be lynched and the votes reset that titus will still call me scum?
Any takers on that bet?

[farside22]

And that will be my last response to she that shall not be named.

Kraska would love to ally with you.
Shadow: skybird post alliance has me noting that currently.
Will post backup question in a bit.

[farside22]

Magna, I claim odd night role cop.
I checked your slot last night. You are a strongman.

I won't lynch you though cause your such a dick that even though you have as in role your probably town.

I lol'ed

[farside22]

OK it's says I cannot be targeted by actions HOWEVER I can be targeted by EVENTS.

By the way this is a lie.
The ability only mentions actions. I know this because when the joy ride took me I sent a message to the mod to ask about it. He said events were not actions in that regards.

Vote: dbg

[farside22]

Oh? Good job then. Very impressive.

-Cerb

Pedit: you...don't know what HER ability says. She could very easily have a different variant of ascetic from yourself. ...

I know it's anti town.
And if some gets info that means........
The ascentic is fake.

[farside22]

@ shadow: these were the comments skybird made about the PT she was in with Fox.
Would you agree with her comments?

I can confirm that Foxbird was active in our PT and I have her as town.

My alliance with Farside went through.

Titus, grapes: i'd like to speak to either of you privately. an alliance with one of you two for day 3 would be ideal.
i would also love to ally with mastin, but if we would not be able to talk, i think it would be a less helpful arrangement than the above two players.

on Foxbird: i don't find anything terribly towny about her. still, if she was indeed especially busy, i'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt and she what she comes up with today.

Skybird: could you talk about what Foxbird was like in your topic? if you were both more active in there, i can't know anything about why you have her as town if you don't explain. same question to Fox about Sky, because why not.

In the PT, we talked about reads and the reasons behind those reads. The conversation felt natural and easy which is why I feel she is town.

Well, here I am. Who wants to join my cause of stopping the Cluster?

I do!

To all, I was busier than expected this weekend and am still several pages behind. I should be able to catch up tomorrow after work.

[farside22]

RR: it's been called a permanent alliance, so that's how i'm treating it. someone tell me if this list is wrong anywhere. it's sorted by player voted for.

Rational: mastin (+1)
Skybird: mastin (+1)
Almost: mastin (+1)
Mastin: self (+3)
Yume: mastin (+2)

total: 8

Chara: self (+3)
Farside: Chara (+2)
total: 5

Titus: self (+3)
Kraska: Titus (+1)
Xkfyu: Titus (+1)
Grapes: Titus (+1)
total: 6

Shiro: none
Snarky: none
DGB: none
Random: none
Fuzzy: none (didn't answer?)
TWIE: none

Creature: shadow step
Magna: voted Rational
Shadow step: Almost
Fire: Rational

McMenno: self

The unbiased results show 10 players that either didn't vote or vote some random player.
If mastin/yume are still together do to event they are in an alliance.
That means confirmed scum in one of those that said they voted mastin.
Which is either rr, almost or sky.

Questions?

VOTE: skybird

Also chatted with nc and if I'm correct there was a reason nc got results.

[farside22]

Was it an event that put them in the hood?

[farside22]

Mcmenno: why did you vote yourself?

[farside22]

Mcmenno: why did you vote yourself?

This is in regards to the beach event.

[farside22]

FB, I am town hunting right now. The more town I find, the harder it will be for scum to hide. So why should I town read you?

Have you ever explained your scum reads on TWIE, DGB and Snarky? I’d really like to see them.

I gave a summary statement of why TWIE and DGB are scum. Twie is lurking even more than usual. He has given 0 reads and made many fluff statements. Even giving him some benefit of a doubt because of his play-style, he has literally done nothing this game.

DGB has mentioned a few people as being scum or town, but not made any pushes on anyone. She doesn't appear to be reading or following the thread. She said she didn't know anything about Beachpaloza and didn't vote. She's claimed to be ascetic but then says she can be targeted by events which doesn't make sense to me.

Snarky states he's trying to change to be more active, but he's not pushed people or tried to question people. He naked voted SirCakez, then got on the Mathblade wagon with a vote and "I guess I can get on board with this". Later he states he's town-reading Mathblade but never explains his 180. Naked votes DGB. He asked for votes on her but never really pushed for it. For someone who is trying to be more active, he's pretty far in the background.

Lurker hunting ^

@ shadow: these were the comments skybird made about the PT she was in with Fox.
Would you agree with her comments?

I can confirm that Foxbird was active in our PT and I have her as town.

My alliance with Farside went through.

Titus, grapes: i'd like to speak to either of you privately. an alliance with one of you two for day 3 would be ideal.
i would also love to ally with mastin, but if we would not be able to talk, i think it would be a less helpful arrangement than the above two players.

on Foxbird: i don't find anything terribly towny about her. still, if she was indeed especially busy, i'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt and she what she comes up with today.

Skybird: could you talk about what Foxbird was like in your topic? if you were both more active in there, i can't know anything about why you have her as town if you don't explain. same question to Fox about Sky, because why not.

In the PT, we talked about reads and the reasons behind those reads. The conversation felt natural and easy which is why I feel she is town.

Well, here I am. Who wants to join my cause of stopping the Cluster?

I do!

To all, I was busier than expected this weekend and am still several pages behind. I should be able to catch up tomorrow after work.

Can't say active, can say active compared to activity in the game thread.
Foxbird's first comment is something to the effect of "Please Skybird don't be scum."
Fox was scum reading xk, snarky and grapes. Thought grapes vs NC was definitely not TvT or SvS.
Thought KTS was pulling a gambit, Fire is trolling. That's about it I think.

Did the convo look natural? How many post did fox make total?
I think sky was wking fox and I'm trying to understand how sky got a town read from Fox with that pt.

OK, I have now reached my decidion.

VOTE: Creature

1- For voting every wagon there was on D1, and only voting SC twice for distancing. Once was early enough for allegedly “whiteknighting” and the other when the wagon was taking off and then unvoted the following page.

2- For sheeping Shiro when they scum read me right after he had stated he scum read Shiro.

3- For allegedly voting Shadow_Step in RR's event, which doesn't make sense at all.

4- For not having an ally on E2, and allying with Town!Snarky on E3, which fits my pattern for scum behaviour on those particular 2 Episodes.

5- Overall, Creature's play is the definition of active lurking. He has over 200 posts, yet has brought a total of the square root of zero multiplied by null in any relevant direction.

Also;
FoS @ randomidget; Creatures ally on E1 who allegedly didn't vote in the event, and is not allied in E3.
FoS @ Shadow_Step; whom Creature claims to have voted for the event which I will also note as distancing (Creature's into that, btw). Shadow also voted ME for the event, which -again- makes no sense, and is not allied on E3.

W/O making a wall, my lynch pool (in order) would be:
Creature > Fire > random > Shiro > TWIE > DGB > Step

I have stated my case on Creature, and only included the reasoning on random & Shadow bc they're both directly linked to said case. However, this list includes all those who fit the patterns from both allying table and voting in RR's event.

P.S. I'm not totally against the lynch of farside either, and I can see the validity of Titus case on her. However, I'm going for the obvious first.

A+++ stuff it's pretty much why I'm reading him 3rd party.

[farside22]

DGB and farside22 are confscum to lynch.

Then vote Farside because I believe DGB.

Why do you believe DGB?

yeah let's not rush this

UNVOTE:

I want to get mastina's thoughts

McMenno, you weren't voting the leading wagon. Why unvote?

I want to take things slowly

2 things
1) You could vote me and the lynch won't go through. The VC will reset and so will the deadline and I get points for 3rd party win con.
2) sky mentioned a scum read on me and didn't vote me, why does she care about your vote?

Rr: I had questions I asked you. I'd appreciate if you don't make me requote them and respond to them.

[farside22]

Rational

I'm assuming you sent a message to the mod based on the convo bellow, if so I want a response to the question I asked you after.

Fair enough. The xkfyu point can't be properly evaluated without knowing what he claimed to her and what steven has told her about it.

And I was telling you all yesterday that third parties are a thing here. I actually have evidence of at least 2 third party factions in this game, though only one has a pt/is informed at all.

So, were you playing towards a town win con, with the third party thing as an out just in case, or were you playing for the 3p win con the whole time? Is that why you were saying you weren't going to be using your vote power, so you wouldn't use up your points and put yourself further away from your alternative win condition?

@Yume: I said two things about peridot. Not sure which one you're saying is correct, but I did receive separate confirmation about my mechanical suspicions regarding peridot, whic simultaneously disproved my identity theory.

-Cerb

Yeah, it sound fun at first, hey let's get point, get a 3rd party win and call it a game.
I also had the town win condition if I can't reach the right number of points.
I use the points and I start getting further from the 3rd opportunity.
I think my event is useful but in the end I wasnt thinking about it since I use points to get it going.

Funny story I asked the mod in the PT how many points we gwt if Chara votes self and I vote nc and he told us 5 points.
Poor mod unknowingly mod confirmed us to each other with that response without meaning to.

That's not mod confirmation. That's what the mechanics for the event state.

So the 3p thing waa the goal, got it.

So if we refuse to ally with you for the rest of the game, and nobody targets you, you'll be forced to play for a town win, yes?

@NC: you should read the rest of the game, it's a good lesson in living on the edge of death. I couldn't win with town. As soon as I removed all my targets, which included the entire scum team, I endgamed everyone else.

There's no reason for farside to claim.being 3p here. She's not on the verge of lynch, and she has nothing to offer town. There's no real parallels to my situation in SF.

-Cerb

Fair enough. The xkfyu point can't be properly evaluated without knowing what he claimed to her and what steven has told her about it.

And I was telling you all yesterday that third parties are a thing here. I actually have evidence of at least 2 third party factions in this game, though only one has a pt/is informed at all.

So, were you playing towards a town win con, with the third party thing as an out just in case, or were you playing for the 3p win con the whole time? Is that why you were saying you weren't going to be using your vote power, so you wouldn't use up your points and put yourself further away from your alternative win condition?

@Yume: I said two things about peridot. Not sure which one you're saying is correct, but I did receive separate confirmation about my mechanical suspicions regarding peridot, whic simultaneously disproved my identity theory.

-Cerb

Yeah, it sound fun at first, hey let's get point, get a 3rd party win and call it a game.
I also had the town win condition if I can't reach the right number of points.
I use the points and I start getting further from the 3rd opportunity.
I think my event is useful but in the end I wasnt thinking about it since I use points to get it going.

Funny story I asked the mod in the PT how many points we gwt if Chara votes self and I vote nc and he told us 5 points.
Poor mod unknowingly mod confirmed us to each other with that response without meaning to.

That's not mod confirmation. That's what the mechanics for the event state.

So the 3p thing waa the goal, got it.

So if we refuse to ally with you for the rest of the game, and nobody targets you, you'll be forced to play for a town win, yes?

@NC: you should read the rest of the game, it's a good lesson in living on the edge of death. I couldn't win with town. As soon as I removed all my targets, which included the entire scum team, I endgamed everyone else.

There's no reason for farside to claim.being 3p here. She's not on the verge of lynch, and she has nothing to offer town. There's no real parallels to my situation in SF.

-Cerb

Beach city says scum gets 1 point voting there alliance buddy and 1.5 for voting themselves.
That doesn't equal 5.

This is important.

Titus does not have a guilty. She targeted me and was told by the mod I roleblocked her

And again I'm not going to be lynched but this is fun watching math 2.0 all over again.

[farside22]

no, nevermind. she isn't in the pool. it doesn't make her conftown but it makes me want to lynch elsewhere for now.
Almost, your Creature vote is good. but Fire is very likely town.
grapes: i may have missed your response. will you ally with Fire and i tonight?

Sky is scummy regardless of beach votes.
And anyone who can tell me why there town reading her other then outguessing the fucking mod, I'll be happy to hear it.

[farside22]

Rr: serious question. Do you really believe based on what Titus said above that she really will change her views on me.
Personally I highly doubt anything will change her mind.

@Farside: this is the only question I found, and I don't really know. I don't even know if her changing her mind would actually be a good thing overall, since assuming you're telling the truth, a lynch elsewhere does allow us the chance to hit scum, but if you're still trying for your 3p win con then at some point you'll exit the game early, which is basically giving scum a free kill. It's great for you, not so good for us.

I'm pretty sure however, that the above was not the question you were talking about. The only message I sent Varsoon was asking him to confirm that the count for the beach-a-palooza votes was correct, since we had a discrepancy.

-Cerb

I asked you about dgb.

[farside22]

DGB and farside22 are confscum to lynch.

Then vote Farside because I believe DGB.

Why do you believe DGB?

yeah let's not rush this

UNVOTE:

I want to get mastina's thoughts

McMenno, you weren't voting the leading wagon. Why unvote?

I want to take things slowly

How does unvoting a secondary wagon "take things slowly"? If you were on the leading wagon your unvote makes sense.

Here you go Farside

VOTE: Farside

I'm trying to sort McMenno so butt out.

This is scum ^


@yume: is kling dead because of you? If so and you think she was scum, why are you withholding that flip?
Are you concerned your wrong and don't want players to question your reads?

[farside22]

Rr: do you know who is 3rd party?

I believe I've identified 5 of them, but I have confirmation of only 3.

-Cerb

DGB, Creature, random, TWIE, Firebringer?

Rr: do you know who is 3rd party?

I believe I've identified 5 of them, but I have confirmation of only 3.

-Cerb

DGB, Creature, random, TWIE, Firebringer?

I'm not going to confirm any of that, because as I said yesterday, I'm of the opinion thst it's like a number if them are effectively town, and are really practically conftown, so I'm not going to out them until I see a flip that makes it possible for them to win without town.

-Cerb

The first 2 are important for scum analyst

The first one is also more likely to be lynched when the vote count resets today if I'm lynched.

There's not a question in this sequence that I didnt already address, and it's the only thing I found about DGB.

-Cerb

Is she 3rd party, don't play obtuse

[farside22]

I was going to quote and replay to stuff but that gets long and lost.

Yume: I'm fine with you withholding KC flip. I do ask that when a player is lynched you flip them. The info night 1 for cakez would have helped more for night actions then seeing it the next day.

Titus: I have conflicting reads. At first I was confused but either the player is scum or rr is telling the truth and there are other players going for a 3rd party win con.

Dgb: how is town trying to also do a possible 3rd party win con = scum?

[farside22]

@Cerb, It's too late. I was too subtle.

@Farside, There are other third parties. So you claiming that is a load of shit to me.

This is why you are not worth responding to.

[farside22]

Actually, just noticed something.

VOTE: DGB

I'm paying attention.
I'm assuming you believe I can make my vote bigger?
Amazingly she that shall not be named hasn't asked for proof, but knowing her, once proven she'd still call me scum.
Scum that when targeted you are told I rb you.
Because the mod thinks giving you the name of a player would lead to scum.
Yes that makes complete sense from varsoon.

[farside22]

Okay....

Ill start ranting if I have to explain.
I'd rather not.
I'm also paying attention to the votes on me.
Come on people, Titus says vote me, listen to her.
Let's go!

[farside22]

Nc is very much town, fuzzy.

I think it's sad people really think I'm lying about the VC resetting and not being lynched.
I've literally been hinting since the wagon formed.

[farside22]

lynching farside will certainly help increase the stress. let's do that.

The mod didn't say that would happen in my role.
Just a VC reset.

But on a happy note more points, the merrier.

Who wants to target me tonight to get out of this tunnel rage from she that shall not be named??

[farside22]

Also sad no one will bet with me.

[farside22]

lynching farside will certainly help increase the stress. let's do that.

The mod didn't say that would happen in my role.
Just a VC reset.

But on a happy note more points, the merrier.

Who wants to target me tonight to get out of this tunnel rage from she that shall not be named??

You'd be ascetic anyway. This constant petulant whining is part of the reason you're wagoned at the moment.

Better then someone who berated and belittled anyone who's view is different

[farside22]

lynching farside will certainly help increase the stress. let's do that.

The mod didn't say that would happen in my role.
Just a VC reset.

But on a happy note more points, the merrier.

Who wants to target me tonight to get out of this tunnel rage from she that shall not be named??

So....we can just keep lynching you? Is that what you're saying? Because normally I'd expect some other effect, such as you being commuted or something.

-Cerb

Nothing that exciting but would be totally awesome.

[farside22]

7 days

Good

Vote: Dgb

Am I doing it right?

[farside22]

her answer did end up being what i'd thought. so no, not an answer i would have liked to hear. particularly weird is Skybird saying 'to avoid mislynches', as though her (supposedly town) vote would lead to more mislynches just because it adds another vote? if you're concerned about farside not being scum, proper play is not to only vote her with one of the two votes...
and if one is concerned about the day ending early, why would you vote there at all? wait for alliances first.

Well said.

[farside22]

The day won't end with my lynch, I understand scum sky doesn't want that proven at this time.
Should I bother mentioning the 180 read from sky again based on crap reasons or what?

[farside22]

@far:

So, you're saying that lynching you isn't even going to cost us the day lynch?? Why shouldn't I just vote you then? If you're truthful we lose nothing, and if you're lying we lynch scum. What am I missing?

Nothing.

That is my point!

People just think I'm lying for whatever reason. Even though a few have stated town reads on me.

It hurts my head trying to understand some players logic on this.

[farside22]

I mean shit if I wanted to really dodge this lynch all I have to do is vote dgb 7 times and call it a day.
I would rather get my points tbh.

[farside22]

Farside is scum and will be gotten back to later.
DGB will be sorted out with klingoncelt's flip.

No to both of these. Frankly the first is colossally stupid - if you think Farside is scum you force her hand now in case she really has a lynch dodge as waiting til later just delays her death even further. The second I highly doubt and that you keep saying it without giving jack shit for a reason annoys me.

@Yume and Xk

- it seems we need to resolve who is allying with who tonight. So Yume please confirm we are back on for allying before we go further. Thanks.

That's because snarky is scum.
I've been saying that since day 1.

[farside22]

This game smells

Whoa are you going with this night for alliance?
I promise not to disband the alliance this time if you join me and kraska

[farside22]

Whoa are you going with this night for alliance?
I promise not to disband the alliance this time if you join me and kraska

Anyone who actually entertains an alliance with Farside is either scum or really stupid about how much they want to hurt Town ...

Still town here.

Knock yourself out disputing that.

[farside22]

And since I won't be lynched, you take my alliance away then I'll work even harder for that 3rd party win con then I am.

[farside22]

Whoa are you going with this night for alliance?
I promise not to disband the alliance this time if you join me and kraska

Anyone who actually entertains an alliance with Farside is either scum or really stupid about how much they want to hurt Town ...

How am I hurting town? Farside ain't scum
Besides you were going to ally with yume who's also 3p so I don't see what you've got against this

Fire is with nc/grapes.

Any thought whom else to align with?

[farside22]

I actually agree with Magna last post.
Send help

oh god its contagious.

do you feel the overwhelming urge to ignore obvscum and vote town all game?

The irony of this comment is not lost on me.

Why am I obv scum xfyul?

[farside22]

I actually agree with Magna last post.
Send help

oh god its contagious.

do you feel the overwhelming urge to ignore obvscum and vote town all game?

The irony of this comment is not lost on me.

Why am I obv scum xfyul?

That isn't me.

VOTE: Farside22

Try again.

[farside22]

Fire is with nc/grapes.

Any thought whom else to align with?

I'm fine with anyone I marked as town Who you wouldn't butt heads with
I was thinking snarky but you two will probably fight so

Dear God I'd rather have twie then that any day of the week.

[farside22]

I actually agree with Magna last post.
Send help

oh god its contagious.

do you feel the overwhelming urge to ignore obvscum and vote town all game?

The irony of this comment is not lost on me.

Why am I obv scum xfyul?

That isn't me.

VOTE: Farside22

Try again.

You first. I still never said you were obvscum.

Your voting me sir.
You are telling fire he is voting town over obvscum.
That implies you think I'm scum.
You going to keep dodging that question or explain the vote.

[farside22]

Xkfyu if I'm not obvscum as you say, why are you not voting who you are calling obvscum?

[farside22]

Farfar that was twie not xk...check the quote again

Awwww I got confused.

[farside22]

I actually agree with Magna last post.
Send help

oh god its contagious.

do you feel the overwhelming urge to ignore obvscum and vote town all game?

Onto the right person.
Who's obvscum and why?

[farside22]

Whoa are you going with this night for alliance?
I promise not to disband the alliance this time if you join me and kraska

Anyone who actually entertains an alliance with Farside is either scum or really stupid about how much they want to hurt Town ...

Farside should ally with DGB. Far gets her points breaking it up while DGB enjoys stealing her vote!

DGB steals votes????

[farside22]

...really tempted to change my alliance choices just for those names.

except your list doesn't include farside, so it won't work.
for the record, grapes, i'd be alright with a alliance of you and McMenno.
but i'm just as happy about Firebringer and yourself.

pedit: Farside, you didn't know? DGB had control of Klingon's vote on day 1 because of that power.

I forgot about that.

Isn't she in alliance today?

[farside22]

Like, KC repeatedly said DGB controlled her vote, and now TWIE says she controls his vote today, so YES.. pretty much so.

It's as if Farside already knows who isn't scum and thus doesn't actually have to read the thread to learn alignments ..

Pot oh pot, have you read the thread.



Weak stuff moi
Weak stuff

[farside22]

Pot oh pot, have you read the thread.

Look at the scum try for pot-shots.

I've already said I'm not reading prior to Day 2. Too many pages.

Yet even I knew that DGB had control of his Alliance Member's vote.

And you, who have been here since the start, didn't. Too busy making up fake-claim details on the fly to pay attention to pretending to scum-hunt?

Vote happily stays where it is.

Zzzzzzzzzzz

[farside22]

Pot oh pot, have you read the thread.

Look at the scum try for pot-shots.

I've already said I'm not reading prior to Day 2. Too many pages.

Yet even I knew that DGB had control of his Alliance Member's vote.

And you, who have been here since the start, didn't. Too busy making up fake-claim details on the fly to pay attention to pretending to scum-hunt?

Vote happily stays where it is.

Zzzzzzzzzzz

You disbanded our alliance because I wasn't talking, and now that I am talking, you ignore me. Like, what?

What do you want to chat about.
Skybird? Like why you think she is town that has nothing to do with mechanics?

[farside22]

Because reasons I'd rather not share right now. I was sworn to secrecy. If you persist, I will kill you with a sword.

Sigh.

Okay what about dgb then?

[farside22]

Fascinating

[farside22]

Besides, this is not how it works. You ignore me when I accuse you and when I try to call you out on it you immediately change the subject. I am fed up with bs such as that. And people here view me as inferior player when people like you take a good argument and believe simply saying 'zzz' or something similar at that is a good defense?

The argument wasn't good.
People do forget things. It's not like I write down everything that happens in every game.

Do you remember every player in this game without looking back?

[farside22]

And even now, your defense is mocking people who scumread you.

I'm mocking someone who has a weak reason to vote me.
Moi isn't a sheeping type.
He's a duck regardless of alignment.
And finale, if you haven't read it enough yet, I'm not going to be lynched.
I promise.

[farside22]

Maybe Titus is right, maybe you do think of the rest of us are beneath you.

You mean the hypocrite doesn't think that about herself?
Yeah don't bring her into this or I'll start quoting how berating she gets to anyone who's opinion differs.

[farside22]

Yeah, well that's what every scum says. The phrasing might differ, but every scum says the same thing at it's core: that people have weak reasons to vote them.

p-edit: Then why isn't she putting me down? I went against her opinion at least once. Case in point, concerning Klingon's flip. I told her no at least three times and not once did she berate me to the extent you seem to imply.

Tell me why you agree with MoI.

The fact that he said I'm not reading vs forgetting?
Why is his opinion right and I'm just scum lying?

Don't know why she treats others better. You ask her.
I saw her do it with RR, NC, me, math, do I need to continue this discussion about her?

[farside22]

Maybe Titus is right, maybe you do think of the rest of us are beneath you.

You mean the hypocrite doesn't think that about herself?
Yeah don't bring her into this or I'll start quoting how berating she gets to anyone who's opinion differs.

Oh, and if you bring this up, I am just going to say: when you were wrong about SC being town, you still proceeded to act like superior being regardless of that.

Titus was wrong about math and she acts superior to everyone.

Do I say I was right about cakez? No but at the time I was thinking Titus was going way overboard and I was working with the joy ride.

[farside22]

Also, if you demand she apologize to Math, first you apologize to everyone for being wrong about SC. Else, you yourself are the hypocrite.

I'm sorry I didn't stick to my scum read of cakez and tried to work with the joy ride as requested by almost50.

[farside22]

Nc has my reads.
Are you finally going to try and lynch me?

[farside22]

Maybe Titus is right, maybe you do think of the rest of us are beneath you.

You mean the hypocrite doesn't think that about herself?
Yeah don't bring her into this or I'll start quoting how berating she gets to anyone who's opinion differs.

Oh, and if you bring this up, I am just going to say: when you were wrong about SC being town, you still proceeded to act like superior being regardless of that.

Titus was wrong about math and she acts superior to everyone.

Do I say I was right about cakez? No but at the time I was thinking Titus was going way overboard and I was working with the joy ride.

You still acted like everyone else was beneath you despite being wrong.

No, I made a case and points on a player I'm scum reading.just because someone disagreed and kept defending Shiro doesn't make me the bad guy.

[farside22]

I am not going to tell you that you are wrong grapes, but he is forced into a negative ev as scum, if they are. Use him. Engage his reads. Don't focus on correcting, but understanding. Get him to talk. No one loses there.

You also defended SC who was scum and instead of admitting you were wrong day 2, you still pretended you were right in defending him.

Titus asked my reason for the town read.
Should I ignore that.

Thank you for this chat, at least I'm correct this push is more for emotional reasons then logical

[farside22]

Okay, bye. It's impossible to talk to your majesty in any way, shape or form. When someone disagrees with you, you either give them silent treatment, outright ignore them or proceed to mock them relentlessly.

I feel like your bias to me because I feel strongly about my scum read.
Titus feels strongly and aggressive and we have a dead townies.
She hasn't changed her reads, but that's OK.

[farside22]

That was to farside.

Oh. Okay. I thought you were upset because I keep badgering you about the flip.

@Farside: it's moderately logical to want to lynch you. A lot of your behaviors have been distinctly anti-town. The strongest point(s) in your favor are you not shooting your counterwagon to save yourself, and the fact that you outright claimed to be aiming for a 3p win condition when you didn't have any reason to make that claim.

Unfortunately though, those things are balanced by the fact that that you insist on aiming for that third party win condition, rather thatshat an attempting to win with town, when said win condition will essentially give scum a free kill. Yes, it's better for you personally, but now that you've outed it, it's best for you to just play for town...but you don't want to do that. :/

-Cerb

Your not voting dgb.
Sooooo....
You think I should do it all?
Sorry, no

[farside22]

Oh, so Titus tunneling a dead townie is a sin that should burn in hell, but her defending a scum player whole day is totally right thing to do and shouldn't be questioned at all Like, really....?

I never said that.
I just see why I have to cave into someone else's read.

Also, she was wrong and yet she still continued to act like some deity who can't be wrong, despite there being a flip that proves she was wrong.

That's your view.
Where is your scum read? Who do you see as scum?
Do I lynch myself because Titus says so? That's basically it.
I'm not scum, so why should I follow that? It's on me, so me looking for scum with a wagon on me makes sense.

[farside22]

Congrats to Titus for helping the scum team hide.

If you are town, Titus is not the player I would say this for.
Because, uh, yeah.

I want to think you are scum so badly for this.
Really, I do.

I really, really do.
Because my life would be SO much simpler if the person who has been obstructing us the whole. fucking. game. Was just scum, rather than town in the way.
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally, I do.
And, dammit! There's lots of good reasons for you to be scum!
There's a lot of things which make you look incredibly bad and I SO want you to be scum because of them.

But no matter how hard I try.
I just can't see myself thinking you're actually scum.
Something tells me you're just another mislynch in the making, that was offered on a silver platter to the scum.

I'll be looking at the wagon on you (which I caught there being) when I get to the relevant point, and crossreferencing it with my notes on SirCakez and Mathblade. (Spoiler alert: scum bussed SirCakez HARD. I'd have to check my notes, but I

believe

there's a more even spread in regards to Mathblade, with a

slight

lean towards them being off the wagon.)

What do you want from me?
I'm not joking.
Am I supposed just sit there, cave into Titus demands while the beach event is going on and not look at her like she is taking it personal?
Do I avoid the thread completely and see Titus spam this game saying I'm scum withholding info and need to be lynched like she did to me day 2?
Please let me know how much attitude I'm supposed to put up with before I am aloud to tell someone to stuff it.

Farside22 (7)

SnarkySnowman, MagnaofIllusion,

TheWayItEnds

, DrippingGoofball,

Creature

Did I mention I'm not a fan of the farside wagon?

'Cause, uh, yeah.
Removed the names which're town. Strike = strongly believe to be town but not absolutely sure; underline = weakly believe to be town as a townread but could be convinced otherwise.
I'm dead serious about Magna by the way: if anyone has

anything

they'd like to share about him which would make me feel better (aside from him being in the KTS slot), I'd love to have it so that I could actually write him off and not bother getting a read on him.
'Cause, uh, yeah. As-is. He's someone I desperately want to be alignment confirmed one way or another.

I have those three listed on my scum list along with Shiro.
Before someone says I'm lying that can be confirmed by nc.

What I don't get is why we are lynching you over scum hiding among the lurkers/sheep

^This is pretty much my thoughts on the matter.

farside looks really bad.
I don't think she's scum.
I want to lynch scum.

If farside has a third party wincon that fucks over the town, I won't blame farside, nor will I blame the town for letting it happen, nor will I blame the scum for letting it happen. I will write a very fucking long rant to Varsoon about not learning his damn lesson.
If farside has a third party wincon that doesn't fuck the town over...why bother?
If farside IS town...why bother?

It's only if farside is scum that we bother.
And I don't believe she is.

It doesn't hurt the town.
You get one less town player in the game, but apparently that's not an issue here.

[farside22]

Btw, Snarky has been towny in my alliance.

I find thay hard to believe.

[farside22]

Kraska: the problem with your points on shadow are revolved around foxbird.
What about shadow reads scummy?

But a foxbird wagon is more pressing
She completely disregarded the most controversial wagons (not chara and cakes) at the time they were happening, and had convenient scumreads on lurker spots(xk and snarku). Nevermind that snarky was kinda obvious town at the time she dropped this scumread after his farside episode anyway

so that leaves a kraska/klingoncelt/RR/Snarky pool

this is so bad
and these are foxbird's reads after being caught up
omgus, no idea on klig, rr is a convenient scumread being thrown all over the place so they wont be scrutinized for not backing it up and snarky's iso looks pretty town

Why are there no votes on shadow
Foxbirds iso is oozing scum and shadows vote on creature does nothing to redeem the slot
I'll eat cardboard if this doesn't flip scum

[farside22]

NotChara being Town is the only conclusion I will definitively draw from Beech-a-palooza. Anyone trying to sell “Farside is Town also” given the later discussion that maybe scum have 5 total non-Traitor members needs to probably find a line of work that isn’t in sales.

--

@Shadow

-

What's up with you this game?

VOTE: Xk

Shadow, I'll ally with you.

Cool.

You really need to explain the trajectory here. You were voting Xk for lynch (and thus must still have thought he was scum despite me telling you he isn’t) and yet agreed to ally with him?

--

I'm scumreading your posts, in spite of me trying not to.
Thus, why I hate you.

Explain in detail. Because Snarky is never Town in games. Ever. So him appearing as such to you gives me huge pause.

--

I'm scumreading your posts, in spite of me trying not to.
Thus, why I hate you.

Well, attempting to put this diplomatically – I don’t really give a shit. Because Yume says you are Town I can set aside your posting as “Typical Mastin ego posting” and not bother to read it in depth as I know you aren’t Mafia. Because otherwise I’d be looking at posts like 7771 and thinking “This has got to be scum agenda posting” because the fact that you are Town-reading TWIE and Creature instinctively makes me think you are scum trying to pocket them.

Because if you have a Masonry with Yume and haven’t been able to put 2 and 2 together that we share the same exact win-con then your posting will continue to mystify me and it’s best I not get distracted by it.

--

I'm mocking someone who has a weak reason to vote me.
Moi isn't a sheeping type.

Lol speaking of scum making weak arguments …

The continual attempts to deflect onto Titus ( 7674 as an example ) is reason enough for roping Farside.

“Well I was wrong and didn’t lynch scum but look at this Mod Confirmed Town, they pushed Town once so they are just as bad as I am”

Lol, no.

Titus feels strongly and aggressive and we have a dead townies.
She hasn't changed her reads, but that's OK.

And we have a Mod confirmed Live Town in Titus but you don’t change your ‘reads’ either. Funny how that works, huh scum?

I've changed some of my reads.
The rest of this is Titus is scum reading me, I'm town and should follow that???
Like holy fuck how bad is that reasoning there.

[farside22]

Yeah, that's the main problem I have with your case kraska. I asked you to make a case on shadow using JUST his iso, not foxbirds, and I don't believe you ever did so.

i can do that
1) dodged the entirety of the math episode, took potshots at creature, a lynch that was clearly not happening on that day
2) come day 3, and suddenly he's nonchalant about creature. no attempts to push him or get people to vote him even though it seems there's enough creature-is-scum-sentiment today for the wagon to gain decent traction
3) oh and...(well this should be number 1 if we're going by sequence) cased seraphim on things that his predecessor is also guilty of. and once i pointed that out, he retorted with "she was busy irl". i know she was and that has nothing to do with anything i've said and i'd never not factor people's real life circumstances into my reads on them. the fact still remains that in what little time foxbird had to contribute to the game, she had selective reads she couldnt explain on the very lurkers who mastin called scum. okay, even if you dont think this means that slot is scum, foxbird didnt explain her scumread on snarky either, even though snarky provided enough content to read him off of...after i called her out on her reads, she posted new reads after being caught up and again didnt explain any of them. anyway back to the topic at hand. shadow called seraphim scum for doing the same things foxbird did.
4) doing nothing today basically

@shadow: can you explain your read on creature?

[farside22]

@moi: part 2, if you think following confirmed town who pushed cakez as scum is a thing, I could follow mastin scum read of you and not be bias.
Because that's what your doing currently with mastins points on you.

[farside22]

Yeah, that's the main problem I have with your case kraska. I asked you to make a case on shadow using JUST his iso, not foxbirds, and I don't believe you ever did so.

i can do that
1) dodged the entirety of the math episode, took potshots at creature, a lynch that was clearly not happening on that day
2) come day 3, and suddenly he's nonchalant about creature. no attempts to push him or get people to vote him even though it seems there's enough creature-is-scum-sentiment today for the wagon to gain decent traction
3) oh and...(well this should be number 1 if we're going by sequence) cased seraphim on things that his predecessor is also guilty of. and once i pointed that out, he retorted with "she was busy irl". i know she was and that has nothing to do with anything i've said and i'd never not factor people's real life circumstances into my reads on them. the fact still remains that in what little time foxbird had to contribute to the game, she had selective reads she couldnt explain on the very lurkers who mastin called scum. okay, even if you dont think this means that slot is scum, foxbird didnt explain her scumread on snarky either, even though snarky provided enough content to read him off of...after i called her out on her reads, she posted new reads after being caught up and again didnt explain any of them. anyway back to the topic at hand. shadow called seraphim scum for doing the same things foxbird did.
4) doing nothing today basically

@shadow: can you explain your read on creature?

Last two points are complete nonsense and have been brought up opportunistically when asked. She never talked about this before, take note. Its all conveniently bought up.

Creature is still is scum read but there is literally no interest in lynching him. Which is why asked him to ally with me to sort him.
I presented my case in Creature day 2 and nobody bought it, since then I haven't seen anything scummy from him. So what is gonna change it today? Nothing. So im not just gonna sit here and shout Lynch creature that is not an effective way to get anyone lynched.

what is your read on Kraska?

I have a town read on her.
Something nc said in the PT and kraska scum game is more lurky with very little reason for scum reads.

Almost50 wrote a case on creature, what did you think?

[farside22]

VOTE: snarky

[farside22]

This is pretty likely A50's town game imo.

Can we go back to how DGB is basically confscum now?

Your vote on dgb is really thrilling.

[farside22]

Do people actually think Yume is going to be target for night kills?

yes, Yume gave me my bulletproof ability Pregame so yeah. She's insanely powerful.

I don't care about how powerful a players role is.
That's not the primary motivation behind my kills.

So no.

Yume will be here for days to come.

Mmmmm it depends I think. You have the type of scum players that go for the ones town read by all and can't be lynched by any means, the scum that see pr's in certain type of players or scum keep those that are antagonist and kill someone that helps fuel that fight to keep going.

[farside22]

I'll go bullet points.

21 early mason claim. whyyyyyyy (and yes 24 is just as scummy, joke or not -__-)
206 "oh wait being a mason is a joke"
217 "I believe obi / cakez claim".........................................................................
217 **Cakez note
602 farside is fake af

tl;dr "obi is scum for doing more or less same shit as me"

+a few other reasons but this is fine for now.


and that Cakez note. Farside do you still townread Cakez?

Vote farside guys

Hey farside! Does your town read on Cakez still stand?

These are post trying to create a connection to a player they know is scum.
Snarky votes, then unvote cakez when the wagon starts going.
Then jumps on when the wagon is full steam.
One thing about snarky town is he lacks confidence in his reads, hence why he's a sheeping type.

[farside22]

I'll go bullet points.

21 early mason claim. whyyyyyyy (and yes 24 is just as scummy, joke or not -__-)
206 "oh wait being a mason is a joke"
217 "I believe obi / cakez claim".........................................................................
217 **Cakez note
602 farside is fake af

tl;dr "obi is scum for doing more or less same shit as me"

+a few other reasons but this is fine for now.


and that Cakez note. Farside do you still townread Cakez?

Vote farside guys

Hey farside! Does your town read on Cakez still stand?

These are post trying to create a connection to a player they know is scum.
Snarky votes, then unvote cakez when the wagon starts going.
Then jumps on when the wagon is full steam.
One thing about snarky town is he lacks confidence in his reads, hence why he's a sheeping type.

No. Those are posts seeing if his scumreads can be partners.

He didn't ask about my other town reads.

[farside22]

I'll go bullet points.

21 early mason claim. whyyyyyyy (and yes 24 is just as scummy, joke or not -__-)
206 "oh wait being a mason is a joke"
217 "I believe obi / cakez claim".........................................................................
217 **Cakez note
602 farside is fake af

tl;dr "obi is scum for doing more or less same shit as me"

+a few other reasons but this is fine for now.


and that Cakez note. Farside do you still townread Cakez?

Vote farside guys

Hey farside! Does your town read on Cakez still stand?

These are post trying to create a connection to a player they know is scum.
Snarky votes, then unvote cakez when the wagon starts going.
Then jumps on when the wagon is full steam.
One thing about snarky town is he lacks confidence in his reads, hence why he's a sheeping type.

No. Those are posts seeing if his scumreads can be partners.

He didn't ask about my other town reads.

Right because he's testing if you can be partners with Cakey. You had just unvoted Cakey at the time, which killed his Cakey wagon. That was right after you doubtcasted Yume, Almost50, and myself in your ISO.

Whatever makes you feel better.

Tell me when have you seen snarky tunnel as town?

Hmmm or what about moi scum read on snarky that isn't being explored. He just drops it and continues his pretty awful ass kissing of your butt.

Pffffffffffffffffffffffft talk about a God complex. Only as long as players kiss your ass are they town.
Great mentality you have there.

[farside22]

her points are predicated on farside scum.
Titus, you have Cakez choices making it likely that one of me and RR is scum... but Snarky avoiding both of us in favout of farside is towny? i just, really do not see your points.
and magna, what does Fire's belief that Yume wouldn't be nightkilled have to do with him being scum?

Yes, because Snarky championed a lynch on scum both times, but even if Farside is town and lying about being 3p for some reason, he didn't need to beg for Farside votes. He could have compromised or lurked.

He only stopped voting Cakey because Farside derailed it.

Why can't farside be town and not be lying about the 3p win condition thing? Like, if she's town...doesn't that mean she's not lying about the 3p thing?

-Cerb

How about this you vote snarky and if there is enough votes that make that half the votes I promise to convert my points to make that lynch happen.

[farside22]

Farside is scum and will be gotten back to later.
DGB will be sorted out with klingoncelt's flip.

No to both of these. Frankly the first is colossally stupid - if you think Farside is scum you force her hand now in case she really has a lynch dodge as waiting til later just delays her death even further. The second I highly doubt and that you keep saying it without giving jack shit for a reason annoys me.

@Yume and Xk

- it seems we need to resolve who is allying with who tonight. So Yume please confirm we are back on for allying before we go further. Thanks.

Quick phone post ...

Mastin have you ever actually played with Snarky?

Because what you say is at the same time accurate and meaningless as Snarky plays scummy as Town. To the point that I am coming around to believe he may be functionally unreadable by posting alone.

Titus has made very good points in regards to how he voted.

If you want a policy lynch on Snarky go for it. I will not support with scum like Farside around. But I want you to clearly understand what you are against with SS.

Pointing out how bad SnarkySnowman post is to.
Oh my God Titus how great you are I'll sheep that shit.


Like at some point someone should tell moi that titus confirmed town mastin and there disagreeing with reads.
Just a good fyi there.

[farside22]

@farside,

I tunneled as town in a good number of games. Werewolves of Millers Hollow comes to mind

this game where you gave many points and responded to question and had more then one read
That's not tunneling like even close to it.

[farside22]

her points are predicated on farside scum.
Titus, you have Cakez choices making it likely that one of me and RR is scum... but Snarky avoiding both of us in favout of farside is towny? i just, really do not see your points.
and magna, what does Fire's belief that Yume wouldn't be nightkilled have to do with him being scum?

Yes, because Snarky championed a lynch on scum both times, but even if Farside is town and lying about being 3p for some reason, he didn't need to beg for Farside votes. He could have compromised or lurked.

He only stopped voting Cakey because Farside derailed it.

Why can't farside be town and not be lying about the 3p win condition thing? Like, if she's town...doesn't that mean she's not lying about the 3p thing?

-Cerb

How about this you vote snarky and if there is enough votes that make that half the votes I promise to convert my points to make that lynch happen.

Promising to lynch someone who has scumread you since Day 1 and providing no reason other than they are your counter.

Yet, you didn't do this with DGB, who is outright CCing you.

If this about an ascetic claim, that's not a cc.

[farside22]

Obi: why do you think voting will pressure creature to do something?
Why is he the one your pushing the most?

Well he's promised content, but that's secondary. It's not his reaction I am looking for. I obviously will not answer more directly than this. I will explain why once I get the reaction I was seeking.

Okay.
Why did you do this and what happened with your read on kraska?

I'll go bullet points.

21 early mason claim. whyyyyyyy (and yes 24 is just as scummy, joke or not -__-)
206 "oh wait being a mason is a joke"
217 "I believe obi / cakez claim".........................................................................
217 **Cakez note
602 farside is fake af

tl;dr "obi is scum for doing more or less same shit as me"

+a few other reasons but this is fine for now.


and that Cakez note. Farside do you still townread Cakez?

Vote farside guys

Holy misrep batman.
But seriously did you just piece meal that shit together or what?

I like snarky for town for now

Explain why?
If it has anything to do with attacking me.
Bite me.

"Are you okay?"

-Steven

"Are

you

okay? You're the one that's been through everything. The least I could do is just listen."

-Connie,

Full Disclosure

VOTECOUNT 1.0

Not Voting (25):

Obi-Wan Kenobi, Klingoncelt, SirCakez, Foxbird, Xkfyu, Skybird, Almost50, Shiro, DrippingGoofball, Farside22, Yume, CooLDoG, Reasonably Rational, grapes, mastin2, Not Chara, Kraskaeaque, killthestory, McMenno, Firebringer, Seraphim, SnarkySnowman, Creature, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

KEEP BEACH CITY WEIRD:

Oh lame! So I got this plain role, and I can't use it during pregame at all!

Welcome to Steven Universe! I bet this must be a weird game, you might find something like a Foxbird!

Among this insanity, you might find someone you can trust, someone like Obi-Wan Kenobi.

You should also be careful! There are some bad guys around that want to make your win not-so-easy, don't let them Killthestory!

And there's also me, sum them up together and you'll get me!

wait i'm confused was this a mod joke or is this something that kill was talking about being an IC? if so why is OWK someone you can trust?

not voting NC.

vote: Snarky

m afraid of Firebringer and Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Actually farside, I'm trying to change the perception of me "not doing things" in mafia games :/

That's a general note to everyone. And I never said I believed farside was scum 100%, but I definitely want to wagon / pressure her.

Directed at me but sure let's just believe that comment was in general.


Your reads are fake.
So far your reasons are basically cherry picking a few things and making fake accusations that was never stated.

1) It's a general note, but directed at you at the time.
2) My reads are not fake. My reasons don't have to be superb, either, I'm trying to pressure reads / see how they develop. But thanks for trying to completely dismiss them!
3) I'm cherry picking on things, yes, but that doesn't change the intent - I want to pressure reads, because everyone (except cakez now) is more or less at "null-something" for me atm.

Why others are not voting you is beyond my understanding.

Vote: snarky

[/quote]

For those too tunnel to be paying attention to this.
Snarky is making pushes based on only certain things said in the game. This is clearly not a player trying to evaluate anyone.
Right now all he's doing is making pot shots at players that make no sense and doing exactly what I said does not make him town.
It gets the why would scum push someone universally town read BS?
The question is why would town player only focus on very few things that happened, something that was never implied, and thinks he can push this, regardless of what others say.
That isn't normal stubbornness. He's not asking why not. He hasn't even explained his scum read on grapes.
Snarky is a lurker type. He has fluid reads that barely get explained but make sense.
This is why my vote won't move.

Yeah I explained a lot day 1 in regards to snarky.
Sorry it didn't expand when post there after where far and few inbetween.

[farside22]

What do you think of Farside now? We'll talk more about how to handle what I was doing post game.

You're referring to this question? You asked me what I thought of her after her late ascetic claim? I already addressed that, even if the post wasn't specifically addressed to you? Like, the specific point you cared about right there was meaningless. Once the game has a bunch of ascetic claims, auto-lynching based on someones ascetic claim becomes stupid.

So..yeah. I've also already said, in my ISO, the reasons why farside makes sense as scum, and why her actions don't make sense as scum.

What exactly do you want from me here?

-Cerb

She wants you to vote me.

[farside22]

What do you think of Farside now? We'll talk more about how to handle what I was doing post game.

You're referring to this question? You asked me what I thought of her after her late ascetic claim? I already addressed that, even if the post wasn't specifically addressed to you? Like, the specific point you cared about right there was meaningless. Once the game has a bunch of ascetic claims, auto-lynching based on someones ascetic claim becomes stupid.

So..yeah. I've also already said, in my ISO, the reasons why farside makes sense as scum, and why her actions don't make sense as scum.

What exactly do you want from me here?

-Cerb

You to take a stance.

I don't like how you're oversimplifying things and forgetting about your earlier stance. I am NOT wanting to lynch Farside solely because she claimed ascetic.

You yourself said that any negative utility roles would be lynched if they failed to claim. Yet here, you're not wanting to lynch Farside because she also claimed third party with it.

Second, you ignore that Farside never went after DGB or klingon or Math. There has been a pattern so far between the millers and ascetics. No two share the same alignment or restrictions.

You're acting as if because some negative utility claimers claimed early, there's a built in excuse not to lynch Farside.

There's the terrible reaction to the SirCakez wagon. She tries to deflect not going back to vote Cakey because she was trying to work with Almost50, yet she destroyed his event's utility.

There's a scum event that if everyone happened to forgo their ability in an alliance that would net town something like 12 points, even after we lynched SirCakez (assuming Farside was town). That is pretty convienent for scum.

Farside allegedly tried to roleblock grapes when acting could murder us all.

She's tried to make things personal repeatedly.

She's doubtcasted town all game.

So yeah, go ahead and try to say this is just about claiming ascetic, even though that alone is worth lynching her for given the total lack of sorting on DGB or Klingon.

I sorted kling called her town.

The joy ride was only for one night. Would not be for the whole game.
Dgb well you see her scum game and town game of late and tell me if you can figure her out.
The only person I'm doubt-casting is you. You doubt mastins reads, is that okay to do?
You doubt nc whom you called town, is that okay?
You literally are a horse with blinders on that refuses to look past your tunnel and accuse me of things that simply are false now.
You want respect, get out of your tunnelling of players.

[farside22]

Ofcourse mastin comes here and says im her strongest scum read but instead of pushing me and engaging me, she pushes a wagon on snarky instead. Because noone's going to hold mastin accountable for strongarming this if it flips town
And once again, as soon as mastin makes a vote, naked votes start piling on. Where were you guys when I tried to get a wagon on shadow going?
Mastin has no case on snarky. Mastin should either push a wagon on their "strongest scumread" or stop this bullshit wagon right now

Listen, I get that she called you scum and you kind read as taking offense but it also reads fake.
Vote snarky or vote Dbg, hell vote me, but that argument isn't going to solve anything.
You'd have to believe Titus faked a town result on her.

[farside22]

What do you think of Farside now? We'll talk more about how to handle what I was doing post game.

You're referring to this question? You asked me what I thought of her after her late ascetic claim? I already addressed that, even if the post wasn't specifically addressed to you? Like, the specific point you cared about right there was meaningless. Once the game has a bunch of ascetic claims, auto-lynching based on someones ascetic claim becomes stupid.

So..yeah. I've also already said, in my ISO, the reasons why farside makes sense as scum, and why her actions don't make sense as scum.

What exactly do you want from me here?

-Cerb

You to take a stance.

I don't like how you're oversimplifying things and forgetting about your earlier stance. I am NOT wanting to lynch Farside solely because she claimed ascetic.

You yourself said that any negative utility roles would be lynched if they failed to claim. Yet here, you're not wanting to lynch Farside because she also claimed third party with it.

Second, you ignore that Farside never went after DGB or klingon or Math. There has been a pattern so far between the millers and ascetics. No two share the same alignment or restrictions.

You're acting as if because some negative utility claimers claimed early, there's a built in excuse not to lynch Farside.

There's the terrible reaction to the SirCakez wagon. She tries to deflect not going back to vote Cakey because she was trying to work with Almost50, yet she destroyed his event's utility.

There's a scum event that if everyone happened to forgo their ability in an alliance that would net town something like 12 points, even after we lynched SirCakez (assuming Farside was town). That is pretty convienent for scum.

Farside allegedly tried to roleblock grapes when acting could murder us all.

She's tried to make things personal repeatedly.

She's doubtcasted town all game.

So yeah, go ahead and try to say this is just about claiming ascetic, even though that alone is worth lynching her for given the total lack of sorting on DGB or Klingon.

Here's a stance: Cerberus and I are both far more tolerant of 3rd parties than 99.9% of the people on the site. We also care way more about getting it right than anything else.

My personal view? Farside has basically claimed almost exactly what I altered the fake claim I inherited in SMITE into. Like ... I personally find it basically not believable that Varsoon went and read that monstrous game and pulled out my fake claims and turned it into a role, or that he just happened to make exactly that role. I don't see any reason to fight you on this, but I'm not going to tell Cerb to just STFU so you'll like us.

The bottom line for me is this: We asked Farside to leash to town wincon by never allying again and (obviously) having nobody target. That means no more points which means the claimed "get enough points and I win and exit the game" wincon is off the table. I don't see why, if the claim was honest, Farside wouldn't agree to that readily. Being unreasonable with you I can understand, after the mess of crap yesterday. Being unwilling to engage with us strikes me as off. I think an honest Farside would have engaged and bent over backwards to work with us.

So I think we're looking at something dishonest about Farside. My supposition would be that she suspected Cerb's friendly engagement was a trap.

You know Farside way better than us. Does that line up with her personality?

~Drixx

You want to link the fake claim from smite that you claimed I'd read that clogged up game all the way through, which I didn't, and used something you used.
That mine was so far proven, was yours proven?

Cough said I'd vote snarky, cough.
But here is a real question, why should I work with someone not voting anyone demanding I use my ability to its fullest? How is it town to me the player voting the majority for vCa?

[farside22]

First off, my vote is where I want it to be
And I'm not taking offense at being called scum, I'm annoyed at all the sheeping going on. Also she actually said shadow contributed more than I did which is untrue

I think there is 5 days left of the game day, will be longer if I'm lynched, some players agree with reads and some could be scum.
The only thing I found about your points on shadow that was good was the change of read on creature and the skybird/shadow connection.

I'm dealing with connections I see to flipped scum currently and snarky fits that as well.
Cakez had a scum read on snarky and barely pushed there.

[farside22]

idk what to comment.

Vote snarky.

[farside22]

Magna it's weird how you're using that game as benchmark to read fire off of

That because he is scum painting a picture that suits his needs.

[farside22]

I think there is 5 days left of the game day, will be longer if I'm lynched, some players agree with reads and some could be scum.

And this is reason number to to lynch farside. If she's telling the truth it gives us more time to consolidate on a second best lynch.

Anyone who believes farside has zero reason to not lynch her because believing her means that you believe she will not be lynched and the day will continue at the only potential cost of her ability to go 3rd Party at the expense of Town.

So there is no Town downside to calling her bluff.

Well your giving me more point to the 3rd party win con, but other then that, nothing.
Also a pro those pushing this crap looks scummier after the fact.

wait, far claimed that if we lynch her the only thing that will happen is tat she will lose her 3p way of winning?

I think she just said she can reset the votes and extend the day. Where did she say she had to give up her 3p way to win?

How does it make less sense? Walk us through it, please.

Not Chara voted herself (+3 votes)
farside22 voted Not Chara in an alliance (+2 votes)
Total: 5 votes

The same mentioned in the Beach-a-palooza results.

blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah

There's a whole gigantic list of people who claimed that they didn't vote or that they voted for people who weren't listed. Go read the vote rules again and you'll see how that doesn't actually clear her. It looks even worse because Not Chara confirmed a bunch of things that make Farside look bad:

1.) It was Farside's idea for them to vote Not Chara (when there was a plan in thread to vote Mastin and Titus had popped IC

AND

it was clear we wanted to use the event to try and find scum. Having votes split across 3 slots made that much more difficult)
2.) It was Farside's idea to push the idea that the 5 points meant they were both conftown.
3.) Farside actually tried to push that idea out early in the day.

Anything else?

~Drixx

Well the more important question is
Is farside a crystal gem or not? Why is MoI pushing her after allying with you?

Kevin is earth, not a gem. Pretty selfish guy if you read the wiki.

[farside22]

Magna it's weird how you're using that game as benchmark to read fire off of

That because he is scum painting a picture that suits his needs.

MoI is outed as a member of the Crystal Gems faction. Are you saying you think they're anti-town, or did you just miss that he's in that group?

~Drixx

I think he's scum in the group.
Either that or the gems have an anti town win con.

[farside22]

Then why aren't you self voting to use your unlynchable shot if you have one?

Nah, Magna isn't scum.

I plan on self hammering, no worries there.

[farside22]

Well, with that last one, my vote won't change, like, ever.

I'm sorry you are the one hiding flips on players so they could make a choice on a player that helps the town.
If your trying to help town, I don't see why waiting till day 2 helps town make a choice for night actions.
Of course you think that's fine because it helps you.

[farside22]

Were there different factions in the prequel too? Hmm maybe I should look at that
So...far do you think the traitor would be in that faction? Is skybird a crystal gem too? You're reading both as scum...so you think Therere more than 1 scumz in that group?

Idk the gem claim and kling flip is questionable. I'm not a steven universe fan in the slightest but how is Connie a gem? I just thought that was steven crush, again not sure.
Last I watched the show there was steven and 3 gems.
I'm not going out of my way to verify that.

Anyways long story short, I'm not focusing on these claims and more about interaction, comments made, why players change reads, why for example sky went from town reading all day 2 to have a sudden scum read for weak reason's she hasn't explained.
Moi is again play style, he's not a sheeped, you remember the cartoon mafia game that ended. He's a tuneller, but he could care less if you were an ic he's just as stubborn with his reads as Titus and myself.
He's mentioned one scum read thus far and then proceeded to kiss ass to Titus.
That and a skybird scum read here : http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8383217 so how is that they are the same faction?
Shrug that makes no sense to me.

[farside22]

Ok some clarification: All this time I thought crystal gems weren't informed who their mates are and played individually, which is why I assumed all people with 3rd party win conditions fell under the crystal gems umbrella. Yume's recent posts suggested she had in on who's with her which is why I asked

I assumed by the claim that moi was brought into the gems, which is why I don't see how the scum read of skybird makes sense if they are working on a common goal.

[farside22]

Titus, when i said 'i cannot imagine farside being groupscum' i meant i could not imagine lynchproof groupscum that can blow up alliances and strongarm half a lynch on her lonesome using points. all are provable.
but thanks for discrediting the thought i've put into reading farside since we began our alliance. it makes me feel fantastic.

So, you're using setup speculation to clear Farside?
Even if we suppose that Farside is honest, she's still 3p, which still needs death.

I don't see how that discredits you. I have been trying to watch that. But I think Farside deliberately set out to play you.

The gems are 3rd party......
At which point to you admit this is you just wanting to lynch me for personal reasons, rather the seeing me as scum?

[farside22]

Titus, when i said 'i cannot imagine farside being groupscum' i meant i could not imagine lynchproof groupscum that can blow up alliances and strongarm half a lynch on her lonesome using points. all are provable.
but thanks for discrediting the thought i've put into reading farside since we began our alliance. it makes me feel fantastic.

Yeah the lynchproof part alone should give people pause. also, Pretty sure far would know better than to publicly blow up an alliance as scum

OR ask the mod to confirm I'm not mason with Firebringer.

[farside22]

I wanted to hammer.


Oh well now we wait for the mod to restart this game day.

[farside22]

While we wait: snarky, moi, skybird, Shiro.
That's were I'm leaning with my scum reads.
NC thinks dgb might be a traitor.
I'm pretty indifferent to Dgb.
Her game play overall would be don't care lynch it.

[farside22]

You'll still die?

Nope.

Welcome to day 3 part 2.
I hope you enjoyed part one.
Please keep your hands in the vehicle at all times as we come back to no votes on anyone.

@Mastina / @Titus:

Can we please drop the "I think" and only use the "I know"?? It's really getting to me that each of you has her own "couple of players" she insists on being Town for no apparent reason. Well, not one that I can see anyway.

Creature is not clear to me, nor to Titus it appears. Mastina prefers to think he's clear, or leaning so. WHY?

Doubt is still being casted on Skybird for no apparent reason it seems, despite Yume basically confirming her identity.

In my owm small world, there's only a handful (actually TWO hands-full) of players I've managed to deduce their flavour. I still don't know who Pearl is. I have a couple of candidates, but Creature isn't one of them.

RR is also being suspected for no reason at all, except maybe paranoia.

Defense of FB's poor play and mudslinging towards conf!Town is weird. The fact Kling flipped and we're still letting DGB live is sickening. And so on, and so on.

Now, please: If you have INFO; SHARE IT! If you don't, then don't give me false signs of someone's guilt/innocence. Sheeping doesn't -at all- feel good to me unless I do have an idea of what we're going for/against.

Thank you.

OK, I will answer the parts directed at me.

1) RR had an all likely town wagon on them day 2.
2) RR didn't vote SirCakez until they had to. I basically forced them into it in the hood.
3) RR has abandoned his prior statements of all late negative utility claimers get lynched.
4) The beach votes suggest someone intelligent and saavy about vote analysis as scum.

The doubt on Skybird is real due to the lack of scumhunting, and I feel Yume is being lied to.

I think Creature is scum.

1.) That wagon happened in the first few hours of the day and consisted of Mastin going "Do my bidding" and a bunch of people sheeping on before sanity could set in.

2.) Umm... I was in fucking JAIL when that happened. You (and everyone who has EVER played with him) know that Cerberus asks questions until he's sure of things. Prior to me being unavailable (for reasons you are well aware of), I voted SC, and it was LONG before you said shit in the PT. It was after Cerb went through his ISO. I made the general comment that SC's response was basically "I give up", without giving any specifics (that's what we call a reaction test in the land of the non-moon-logic) and SC came back and flailed hard for me saying that. I then voted him. I think got arrested for something stupid (Again: something you are well aware of). Then it got revealed that SC was providing significant bonuses to a bunch of people. Then Cerb asked questions to clarify the claim and see if it could be corroborated since SC was in two alliances, because that's what Cerb fucking does. Neither of us are sheep, and when I read through the last part of day one that I was not present during, I found it quite reasonable to say "hang on a sec, let's check this out" and ask questions,

especially

in light of what still looks to me like a staged fight between SC and Farside which resulted in Farside blowing up the joy ride alliance.

3.) We haven't abandoned shit. I've been building the case against Farside basically non stop. The problem is that you just want me to look at only the negative and not consider anything that might be on the other side of the scales. I'm sorry but I don't work that way, and neither does Cerb. We consider the totality of things. At this point, even taking away the joy ride points thing because apparently the joy ride would have expired (I was under the impression it would stay going and Farside breaking it up was a huge deal, but someone said that it would have ended and thus could not have contributed 12 points), a rational analysis of Farside has like 10x the weight on the scum side than on the not scum side. There's some small reasons for reservations, but nothing that has caused either of us to say we disagree.

3a.) Furthermore, you have two REALLY good reasons to realize why Farside isn't the right lynch today. One of them is public info: she can just say "nope" and reset things and says she gains points out of it. So sure, we could run her up just to prove that. Or you could take into account what you know that most others don't and put 2 and 2 together.

4.) LOL. Did you just suggest we're scum because VCA when we both reject VCA? Large scale trends and probabilities don't apply to individual situations. If there's any value in VCA, it's in psychologically reading people, and that's not our thing. I do agree with you that it looks like someone went to some effort to hinder our event from doing as much PoE as it could have. It's right there with that 3rd place person with 5 points. Whose idea was it to vote Not Chara again? Oh yeah ... Farside.


I really don't want to repeat SD2, so I'm just going to tell you that you're pissing me off with your bullshit misrepresentation and you need to stop it before it escalates. I'm sitting here carefully building an irrefutable case against Farside (See: things like me getting Not Chara to tell us whose idea it was to vote for her, which is the primary thing that gave scum cover to claim fake votes or not having voted). You, on the other hand, apparently have missed all those posts but somehow managed to read the sentence here or there where I acknowledged there are some reasons to be less than absolutely sure. How the fuck does that happen? The ratio of me making a case against farside compared to me admitting there are small reasons to doubt is like 10:1, at least.

Holy fuck Titus. Get your shit together.

~Drixx

I've have never seen a player call me scummy for vague reasoning and then say I'm possibly telling the truth in such a way that my head just went Wtf is this shit.

[farside22]

Anyways long story short, I'm not focusing on these claims and more about interaction, comments made, why players change reads, why for example sky went from town reading all day 2 to have a sudden scum read for weak reason's she hasn't explained.
Moi is again play style, he's not a sheeped, you remember the cartoon mafia game that ended. He's a tuneller, but he could care less if you were an ic he's just as stubborn with his reads as Titus and myself.
He's mentioned one scum read thus far and then proceeded to kiss ass to Titus.
That and a skybird scum read here : viewtopic.php?p=8383217#p8383217 so how is that they are the same faction?
Shrug that makes no sense to me.

Oh right I forgot that skybird put him as scum, nvm that then. I know nothing about the show but Chara says the shittingly blatantly obvious hinting on skybird's character that yume did means skybird's character is human
I have the same issues with moi's play. His scum read on fire based on that game is really reachy...(the two games hardly compare), so is his focus on you and his appeasing to titus
And i agree on skybird...her switch on shadow is also weird considering her townread on foxbird was based on their pt and not in-thread posting and shadow hardly posted content here too anyway

That's why when you pointed the connection to shadow and skybird I paused a bit and questioned shadow.
Not sure on him my gut leans town more then scum.

[farside22]

While we wait: snarky, moi, skybird, Shiro.
That's were I'm leaning with my scum reads.
NC thinks dgb might be a traitor.
I'm pretty indifferent to Dgb.
Her game play overall would be don't care lynch it.

Is the only way for you to drop that scumread of me my death? : (

Yes please.

[farside22]

While we wait: snarky, moi, skybird, Shiro.
That's were I'm leaning with my scum reads.
NC thinks dgb might be a traitor.
I'm pretty indifferent to Dgb.
Her game play overall would be don't care lynch it.

Is the only way for you to drop that scumread of me my death? : (

She probably is just 1-shot unlynchable scum if she lives. I dealt with that before. It wasn't pretty. Died the next day and my read were spot on.

Speaking of people who will scum read a player till there dead.......

[farside22]

actually, farside, i don't have too many problems with Rational's analysis here. i disagree with the end conclusion but the practice of looking at both sides of the issue isn't fence-sitting here so much as it looks like logical hunting practice.

Shiro: honestly, i have not seen much from you recently to bring my read up to a town one.

Fence sitting is where I find scum hiding.
My gut says he's town, my head reads his post and goes are you sure?

[farside22]

Which alliance should I join? Xkfyu/Shadow_step or Skybird/TheFuzzylogic99?

I say the first.
There will be more time to discuss.
As for your second question, I don't out guess Varsoon games.

[farside22]

Fire/farside/skybird/rr***

forget associations, is this actually his scun lineup? i don't believe it could be. there are too many scumreads in the top voters for this team to be at all possible. it requires 6 scum plus Cakez.

Yeah it is!

Kraska is correct it is.

[farside22]

Since this Beach vote thing is bogging down and I don’t think my vote will make things any clearer I’m just going to claim it now. I voted Reasonably Rational because I had to make a quick decision and I didn’t see any point in flipping Titus (who was confirmed by the Mod). RR made the beach event happen and from the rules it is stated scum have Pro-Town looking Events so on gut I decided to vote for them based solely on the level of freak-out I saw while spectating about “My event is so Town and you are trying to lynch me before it happens”.

--

Why isn't MoI telling us to lynch him for this effect?

Because Yume never discussed the idea with me at all and this came out of right field. She’s probably correct now that I’ve looked at the mechanics of it.

And I don’t think Yume’s “I need the gun” for the same reason would work.

--

Just vig xk #justdoit

No. This would be stupid and I’m getting sick of seeing this as your only contributions to the game.

--

Farside isn't the only scum, assuming they are. Can you tell me who else you would lynch?

Already said I’d lynch Firebringer for the way he’s handled his interaction with Yume which is in his scum-play basket.

The point on Skybird being made about that reads-list is absolutely valid in that those scum reads are “Lurker, Lurker, VI” which in a game this size is suspect. I don’t know Skybird from Adam but just seeing that scum pool was enough with what little information I have for me to be content voting there given the game-state.

Maybe Kraskaesque for the whole “What’s the Cluster” business. I have only been skim following along as a Spectator and I know exactly what the Cluster event is.

--

Why argue about it. Klingy's flip should definitively say whether or not DGB is scum, wait for that.

Fill me in on why exactly this is …

--

This is scum skybird.
Just an fyi

Are you voting Skybird then? If not why not if that is scum Skybird?

Yume shad stuff I think was day 1, where yume barely engaged in the PT. She just floated around giving vague reads. Mastin claimed the mason thing but I don't see why anyone should believe that from jump.

Is this you trying to sell Yume as scum?

--

@Moi & grapes (also kindly, Shadow & kraska, please)

Day 1 – None
Day 2 – Klingon
Day 3 – None

--

Like how in the fuck was Klingon town or killed?
Kind of also feel responsible for her death too

Yeah, this is probably scum Firebringer.

Especially with all the “You have bad judgement” ironic attacks on Yume going on.

I don't think Fire is scum here.

I disagree. His attacking reaction to Yume being basically confirmed Town and his “MoI is a Dick” reaction to me calling him scum is absolutely in his scum game. Now that the game is over I can provide the link and posts that support this meta from Firebringer.

Recently ended Kids TV Character Game by Eleven. Firebringer was scum.

First let me highlight how he treats players who should be confirmed Town. Late-game we set up a plan where I would Commuterize Zulfy. There was one scum left. A kill by the Mafia that Night confirmed Zulfy wasn’t scum. Firebringer killed me that Night and tried to peddle “Oh, MoI went against the plan and Commuterized me instead” to attack Zulfy.

the only one I can possibly think it is Zulfy.
Maybe we should no lynch and let transcend shoot?

And how he reacts to Town me calling out his obvious fake-claim was obvious. Remember at this stage it is clear I am the only person claiming a Town protective role when two Mafia kills had been thwarted.

I personally don't have any sort of Town read on Firebringer given his lackluster play and claim. Tra

What the fuck is this?

Magna or Snowstorm.
Thats it.

Firebringer's claim stares at me in the face as by far the worst. The claimed RoleCop's make no sense IMO. Day 2's supposed gambit makes no sense from an actual investigation role who confirmed that Spiffeh's slot wasn't lying about being Vanilla (or a Goon). And the Night 3 investigation is terrible given he could have confirmed the role of any of Gamma (which would have been a guilty given his fake-claim), Bro or myself instead of another convienent "Vanilla" investigation. The claim also seems at odds in how it was constructed compared to Grib's claim (but that's MOD WIFOM so it is the least strong of my reasons for suspicion).

I personally don't have any sort of Town read on Firebringer given his lackluster play and claim. Transcend do you have any specific reason why you Town read him so strongly.

And this had a lot of bs in it.

And this little bitter gem from the Scum PT –

Ohhh might get lynched earlier than expected, exciting.

Also fuck magna, did more than his ass all game. I honestly can't remember what magna did for town besides annoy me today.

So Firebringer’s absolute refusal to work with Yume and his reaction to me calling him scum (calling me a Dick) is absolutely in Scum-Firebringer’s wheelhouse.

@Everyone who is on, If you had to pick a scum in RR/Almost/Skybird, who would you pick and why?

Skybird given the reasoning I've already stated (very soft scum reads) and that I don't have scum reads on Almost or RR at this stage.

mostly meta.
I've played tonnes of games with Xk offsite and I've also hydraed with him. This doesn't look like his town game at all.

And yet he isn't scum. So who would your next choice to push be?

What's up with you this game?

VOTE: Xk

This is a wasted vote and continuing to purse it will end up with you being lynched before Xk.

What do you think is odd about me? That I've discussed allying with someone who isn't scum?

NotChara being Town is the only conclusion I will definitively draw from Beech-a-palooza. Anyone trying to sell “Farside is Town also” given the later discussion that maybe scum have 5 total non-Traitor members needs to probably find a line of work that isn’t in sales.

--

@Shadow

-

What's up with you this game?

VOTE: Xk

Shadow, I'll ally with you.

Cool.

You really need to explain the trajectory here. You were voting Xk for lynch (and thus must still have thought he was scum despite me telling you he isn’t) and yet agreed to ally with him?

--

I'm scumreading your posts, in spite of me trying not to.
Thus, why I hate you.

Explain in detail. Because Snarky is never Town in games. Ever. So him appearing as such to you gives me huge pause.

--

I'm scumreading your posts, in spite of me trying not to.
Thus, why I hate you.

Well, attempting to put this diplomatically – I don’t really give a shit. Because Yume says you are Town I can set aside your posting as “Typical Mastin ego posting” and not bother to read it in depth as I know you aren’t Mafia. Because otherwise I’d be looking at posts like 7771 and thinking “This has got to be scum agenda posting” because the fact that you are Town-reading TWIE and Creature instinctively makes me think you are scum trying to pocket them.

Because if you have a Masonry with Yume and haven’t been able to put 2 and 2 together that we share the same exact win-con then your posting will continue to mystify me and it’s best I not get distracted by it.

--

I'm mocking someone who has a weak reason to vote me.
Moi isn't a sheeping type.

Lol speaking of scum making weak arguments …

The continual attempts to deflect onto Titus ( 7674 as an example ) is reason enough for roping Farside.

“Well I was wrong and didn’t lynch scum but look at this Mod Confirmed Town, they pushed Town once so they are just as bad as I am”

Lol, no.

Titus feels strongly and aggressive and we have a dead townies.
She hasn't changed her reads, but that's OK.

And we have a Mod confirmed Live Town in Titus but you don’t change your ‘reads’ either. Funny how that works, huh scum?

@Snarky

- there's your flip. Explain in detail how it solidified DGB as Town or Scum.

Nah I don't want to lynch Fire unless he's still wrong after we flip a few more.

I think RR, Creature, Farside, Skybird, Shadow. Thoughts?

Totally on board with Farside of course.

RR I'm coming around to - there is a level of holes in their logic that make me think they are playing a very competent scum game otherwise. Top of my mind - their reason for clearing Farside with "Varsoon took my fake-claim from this game and made it a role" when it is just a like that Varsoon could have just taken that fake-claim and made a fake-claim with it. The fact they don't even consider that in their analysis is troubling.

Skybird I could go for also for reasons already stated - a scum list that has Snarky (easy target) and two lurkers. Her play is completely underwhelming. I do need to check with Yume on a few things related to her.

Creature - Meh. For a large game he's playing better than the level I've come to expect but that's simply based on today and isn't really alignment indicative. Something in particular I need to look into?

Here's are some of the scum reads and resonance by moi.
The skybird/rr/fire/far reads all in there.
The interaction between me and sky alone makes this ridiculous to conceive.

Also Chara remember what I said about cakez list an xfyul,l?? Moi defense of him is now adding to that scum read.

[farside22]

farside, what i mean is it doesn't look like Rational is fence-sitting. that post is a very explicit 'farside is scum'.

If he thought I was scum he should vote for me.

Oh right

"that makes me conftown"
"but im actually third party lol"

HI.
I'm town.
I get so many point I then become 3rd party.
Welcome to the game.
May I take your order?


[Quote"RR"]You have acted objectively scummy. You knew the Beach-a-palooza event was specifically intended to be used for PoE by conftowns (including Titus who freaking popped IC). There's absolutely no reason for you to have done that except to advance the idea that the point total made you "conftown", except you've already admitted you aren't town after your attempt to say the points made you conftown got blown up.[/quote [
It's the only thing you've repeatedly brought up as an issue and I already asked if you believe that I did it for manipulation purposes why are you not scum hunting those who didn't vote the top 3????

[farside22]

Well, I was arguably fence sitting, but it was EXTREMELY deliberate, because I refused to give her more points towards her win con when I'm aware of things which may assist in dealing with her situation , AND because if the lynch pushed her over the threshold for her win....then it's the same as if we just mislynched, except we DO get another try if she wasn't lying...but we're that much closer to losing.

-Cerb

This is why I look at you as fence sitting.
You just said you have all these reasons you think I'm scum but I could tell the truth and be going for 3rd party win for points.
You can't have both here.

[farside22]

Well, I was arguably fence sitting, but it was EXTREMELY deliberate, because I refused to give her more points towards her win con when I'm aware of things which may assist in dealing with her situation , AND because if the lynch pushed her over the threshold for her win....then it's the same as if we just mislynched, except we DO get another try if she wasn't lying...but we're that much closer to losing.

-Cerb

This is why I look at you as fence sitting.
You just said you have all these reasons you think I'm scum but I could tell the truth and be going for 3rd party win for points.
You can't have both here.

You don't seem to understand. The reasons for thinking you're scum are IRRELEVANT to optimal mechanical play, which is what my reservation is based on. If we're(well, mostly Drixx, he has a much stronger belief in you as scum, I still don't know why you would even bother with the 3p part of your claim given the sites attitude towards 3p, combined with the fact that the leaders of this game are well aware of town being burned by a 3p in a relatively recent game) wrong, then the BEST CASE scenario is us effectively feeding scum a kill. The worst case is you can endgame us all or something.

-Cerb

farside, what i mean is it doesn't look like Rational is fence-sitting. that post is a very explicit 'farside is scum'.

If he thought I was scum he should vote for me.

I was waiting for exactly what A50 was and the votes came in while I was composing a post. Else I would have done the hammer vote to deny you the self-hammer you professed wanting. I totally have an "It's Hammer Time" MC-Hammer image in my photobucket I was going to use and everything.

Oh right

"that makes me conftown"
"but im actually third party lol"

HI.
I'm town.
I get so many point I then become 3rd party.
Welcome to the game.
May I take your order?

You have acted objectively scummy. You knew the Beach-a-palooza event was specifically intended to be used for PoE by conftowns (including Titus who freaking popped IC). There's absolutely no reason for you to have done that except to advance the idea that the point total made you "conftown", except you've already admitted you aren't town after your attempt to say the points made you conftown got blown up.

It's the only thing you've repeatedly brought up as an issue and I already asked if you believe that I did it for manipulation purposes why are you not scum hunting those who didn't vote the top 3????

I find it amusing that you pretend you don't already know that we will literally generate 2-3 novels worth of discussion in our hydra PT. You either are observant and see how we respond to people and who we're watching, or you can see when we're reasonably sure and we bring out the case. We didn't say a word about the 3rd party faction until we were sure; then we told the game about it (and got laughed at, basically).

Like; we're kind of hip deep in people who are scummy and need rope too.

There's you, and I've gone to great lengths to outline why you're likely scum. Then there's DGB who, now that we have seen the parts of KC's flip that we have, is almost certainly actually exactly what she claimed to KC, and needs to be roped.

Then there's... well, no need to share that just yet.

What possible motive is there for us to tell other scumspects who aren't going to get roped today that we're already looking at them? It's much more effective to come in and plop down a case for someone being scum when they've boxed themselves in and we're really sure. (See: SU1 and Titus' "slip" and the amount of time we spent in private working it out before we even so much as hinted at distrusting the slot).

But you didn't ask the question because you don't know how we work, did you? You asked the question because you're trying to survive and in order to do that you need to discredit us so my points against you get disregarded.

~Drixx

I have Mc hammer waiting with, you can't touch this for when the mod comes in.
Second I feel like you just circled around my question. In a very long post that just says Dbg is scum.
Thirdly I asked you the question I did because you are the strongest ones saying that I'm not confirmed nor is nc based on the beach event and again I see nothing that shows you trying to make a connection off the non voters.

[farside22]

"No Peridot, I don't think you get it! Just because I know how clouds work doesn't mean I know how to stop a giant mutant in the center of the Earth!"

-Steven,

When It Rains

VOTECOUNT 3.09

Not Voting (22):

Titus, Shadow_Step, Xkfyu, Skybird, Almost50, Shiro, DrippingGoofball, Farside22, Yume, Reasonably Rational, grapes, mastin2, Not Chara, Kraskaeaque, MagnaofIllusion, McMenno, Firebringer, Thefuzzylogic99, SnarkySnowman, Creature, randomidget, TheWayItEnds[youtube][/youtube]

With 22 Alive, it takes 12 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-10-22 19:50:00)

The Current Stress is +1:

Not Chara is V/LA until Saturday, 10/08/2016
MagnaofIllusion is V/LA until Monday, 10/10/2016
Xkfyu is V/LA until Monday, 10/10/2016

VOTE: snarky

[farside22]

yes we agree, farside could go with kraska/fb if they want

This is where I'm going.
Rr: if all I was going to do was get into an alliance and blow it up for points, i'd done it with sky and nc.

[farside22]

yes we agree, farside could go with kraska/fb if they want

This is where I'm going.
Rr: if all I was going to do was get into an alliance and blow it up for points, i'd done it with sky and nc.

Farside, if you want there to be ANY chance you don't die tomorrow, we need you to claim details about this point thing.

How many you have.
How many you gain from lynch attempts.
How many you gain from being targeted.
How many you gain from dissolving alliances.
How many you need in order to achieve your win con.
How rhe extra voting thing works/what it costs you in points.

The reason why we can't trust you to not blow up an alliance is the fact that we don't know how far away from your win con you are now. Maybe the extra points weren't worth it then, but they're worth it now because you'll achieve your win con.

-Cerb

Ill respond but I'm betting money you'll call be a liar.
Currently 14 points
I get 2 points for lynch attempts
1 point gained for each player that targets me with an action.
I gain 1 point for every person in the alliance that I dissolved.
Need 20 points total.
Each extra vote cost me one KP. So example 3 votes means 3kp.
I do have a few things I gained points from that I haven't claimed.

[farside22]

Mastin and moi having polar opinions on farside should have made people inclined to ask wtf is going on

Like.
Town peacekeeping: recognizing the issue, trying to resolve it, and give direction to it.
Scum peacekeeping: pointing the issue out and doing fuckall to solve it.

Tell me which of the above this peacekeeping post is?

The town version. People need to be talking about this to help reach a resolution. Sometimes players don't have all the answers.

A scum peacekeeper just tells everyone to play nice and see it the other way. Kraska wants to get to the bottom of this here and know why.

I rarely back off from my beliefs about slips but I think I was wrong before.

I actually agree with Titus read of kraska.

What do you call a player that is scum that keeps the antagonism going and going with wild encouragement?
I call it moi but wondered if there was a name for it.

[farside22]

There is one other issue to address if we lynch anyone.
Is yume going to continue to help scum by withholding flips after a player is lynched?

[farside22]

Read list

Obi-Wan Kenobi (Beeboy + Titus) - unfortunately town.
2. Klingoncelt - null
3. SirCakez - town
4. Foxbird - null town
5. Xkfyu - null scum
6. Skybird - leaning town
7. Almost50 - town as fuck
8. Shiro - a whole lot of nothing
9. DrippingGoofball - null
10. Farside22 - town as fuck
11. Yume ' non-existent and finding questionable
12. CooLDoG - null town
13. Reasonably Rational (Cerberus v666 + Drixx) - null
14. grapes - scum
15. mastin2 - town but I think she's doing what she did in the last SU and lying about some things.
16. Not Chara - town
17. kraskaesque (kraska77 + lycanfire) - leaning town
18. killthestory - meh
19. McMenno - meh
20. Firebringer - town dragon whom I'll call scum to make him happy
21. Seraphim - scum
22. SnarkySnowman - scum
23. Creature - leaning scum
24. randomidget leaning scum
25. TheWayItEnds meh

Not Chara is obvscum.

There's a wagon there.

@Farside, Do you scumread anyone on the Not Chara wagon?

4 votes isn't much of a wagon in this game.
Seeing how yume is I wouldn't follow it.

Ooooooo how about a wagon on cakez!

Vote: sir cakez

These posts are back to back mentions of SirCakez. How does she go from town to wagoning with her biggest scumread?

In regards to this, there was a condo between grapes and I http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=1150 in that area.
You know I tunnel, lose track, like when players agree with me, i think from what I see that's human nature.

[farside22]

There is one other issue to address if we lynch anyone.
Is yume going to continue to help scum by withholding flips after a player is lynched?

The flip is hidden by default and we have 48 hours to decide whether or not we wish to keep it that way. I don't know what happens if 48 hours pass without us deciding, I've never tried.

Why did cakez flip not happen till day start?


Rr: I did ask you about your reads on those that where in regards to the beach event.
If you dodge it again I'm going to take issue about how you say I'm not working with you.
If you think I planned the votes as scum for beach, who else is scum and why are you not poking at them?
Added question: if you know there are players going for 3p why are you okay with them going for there win condition, but not me?

[farside22]

That was to farside.

Oh. Okay. I thought you were upset because I keep badgering you about the flip.

@Farside: it's moderately logical to want to lynch you. A lot of your behaviors have been distinctly anti-town. The strongest point(s) in your favor are you not shooting your counterwagon to save yourself, and the fact that you outright claimed to be aiming for a 3p win condition when you didn't have any reason to make that claim.

Unfortunately though, those things are balanced by the fact that that you insist on aiming for that third party win condition, rather thatshat an attempting to win with town, when said win condition will essentially give scum a free kill. Yes, it's better for you personally, but now that you've outed it, it's best for you to just play for town...but you don't want to do that. :/

-Cerb

I'm still not sure either why you think town should shot a counter wagon to themselves, can you explain that now?

[farside22]

Kraska still up for an alliance tonight? We will bring in fire and roast marshmellows.

[farside22]

I want to make it clear here.
Not lynching far side even though she has done quite a bit of anti town shenanigans

Et tu brute.

[farside22]

Huh?

Just feeling pretty beat up right now.

Farside, can you be targeted during season finales?

Well I can be targeted, you'll or anyone targeting me will be told they were RB by me. At any time.

@Farside: why would I accuse you of lying? That number is high enough that 1) you can lynch someone by yourself, barring a restriction saying you can't lynch without someone else on the wagon, 2) you're close enough to your win condition that putting you in an alliance tomorrow would potentially put you 3 points away.

Basically, its a bad number for you to claim if you want people to leave you alive, so it's more likely to be true imo.

-Cerb

[farside22]

anyone targeting me will be told they were RB by me.

My role PM doesn't say that

You're confscum thanks

Snarky should think about claiming.

[farside22]

I forgot in regards to Dgb, she should just be shot.
Anti town and clearly not even reading this game.

[farside22]

farside what happens if you reach your win condition?

I leave the game with a 3rd party win condition flip.

[farside22]

So any objects to snarky lynch today?
He didn't claim when I asked.
I did make a promise for that lynch to happen so......?
Speak now because I feel in my bones he's scum here.

[farside22]

@ far
I do..bc I am not sure he is scum right now
why should he claim......
okay

I'm thinking of hammering him.

Plus I said I would.

My issue with dgb is I don't see dgb/snarky scum team and snarky like I said is lurking more the usual and despite what Shiro says this game, snarky does explain things more then he does and can flutter between wagons if he thinks players are scum.
Currently he's only listed 2 scum reads and lurked a lot.

[farside22]

It doesn't hurt that those I'm not strongly town reading or scum reading are supporting a dgb lynch.

[farside22]

@ far
I do..bc I am not sure he is scum right now
why should he claim......
okay

I'm thinking of hammering him.

Plus I said I would.

My issue with dgb is I don't see dgb/snarky scum team and snarky like I said is lurking more the usual and despite what Shiro says this game, snarky does explain things more then he does and can flutter between wagons if he thinks players are scum.
Currently he's only listed 2 scum reads and lurked a lot.

Let's be real here, a DGB flip would confirm to most rational people that you are not protown if she's town and you have stated outright that you are not playing for town but your 3p win con.

If snarky flips scum are you going to change your read on me or not?

[farside22]

@ far
I do..bc I am not sure he is scum right now
why should he claim......
okay

I'm thinking of hammering him.

Plus I said I would.

My issue with dgb is I don't see dgb/snarky scum team and snarky like I said is lurking more the usual and despite what Shiro says this game, snarky does explain things more then he does and can flutter between wagons if he thinks players are scum.
Currently he's only listed 2 scum reads and lurked a lot.

Let's be real here, a DGB flip would confirm to most rational people that you are not protown if she's town and you have stated outright that you are not playing for town but your 3p win con.

Also this just tells me, you care less about dgb alignment and trying to just make another point to push against me.
Forgive me if I don't care for that attitude.

[farside22]

I'm thinking of hammering him.

Plus I said I would.

My issue with dgb is I don't see dgb/snarky scum team and snarky like I said is lurking more the usual and despite what Shiro says this game,

snarky does explain things more then he does and can flutter between wagons if he thinks players are scum. Currently he's only listed 2 scum reads and lurked a lot.

Note that DGB stands a good chance to be opposite alignment from Farside - both have vote manipulation powers, both claim Ascetic. Farside who if she wasn't lying scum should be thrilled to flip DGB to say "Hey look, that's scum and scum aren't going to have TWO vote manipulators, etc".

Instead she's going to hammer despite being asked not to with the bolded lie above. Snarky absolutely lurks as Town all the fucking time. I can link to TONS of games proving just that.

Scum.

Yeah I know im town.
Dgb manipulation is very different then mine.
Hers takes from a player, my votes are earned by points.
Also if you paid attention to day 3, math claimed ascetic and flipped town, sooooo....? Point?

[farside22]

Dayou 2, not day 3^

[farside22]

I'm thinking of hammering him.

Plus I said I would.

My issue with dgb is I don't see dgb/snarky scum team and snarky like I said is lurking more the usual and despite what Shiro says this game,

snarky does explain things more then he does and can flutter between wagons if he thinks players are scum. Currently he's only listed 2 scum reads and lurked a lot.

Note that DGB stands a good chance to be opposite alignment from Farside - both have vote manipulation powers, both claim Ascetic. Farside who if she wasn't lying scum should be thrilled to flip DGB to say "Hey look, that's scum and scum aren't going to have TWO vote manipulators, etc".

Instead she's going to hammer despite being asked not to with the bolded lie above. Snarky absolutely lurks as Town all the fucking time. I can link to TONS of games proving just that.

Scum.

I'd lynch this in a heartbeat if snarky flips scum too.
Focus more on dgb flip and false conclusions.
Nevermind never explain those scum reads prior with rr/sky/firemyself.

When did dgb get into this scum read?

[farside22]

I'd lynch this in a heartbeat if snarky flips scum too.
Focus more on dgb flip and false conclusions.
Nevermind never explain those scum reads prior with rr/sky/firemyself.

When did dgb get into this scum read?

Lol. You aren't ever lynching me farscum ... keep up the bravado though!!!

DGB isn't really a scum read. If you weren't scum scrambling for any foothold you'd have noticed DGB is a compromise on my part based on confirmed Town Titus's suggestion.

I'd still lynch you immediately if I could get momentum going that direction.

Scrambling so hard.

See if you believed the crap you were selling with me vs dgb you would have said that a long time ago, you look like your just using it because you know better.
Lucky for you I can't bring up ongoing games.

[farside22]

So we can lynch moi if snarky is scum.
That's good to know,, any questions?

[farside22]

See if you believed the crap you were selling with me vs dgb you would have said that a long time ago, you look like your just using it because you know better.

Still not addressing your lie about Snarky's play?

Why keep dodging that Farscum?

Not a lie.

You want links?

[farside22]

Or you should provide links that prove different moi

[farside22]

"i'd lynch you if Snarky flips scum"
"you aren't even lynching me"
so... Snarky will flip scum, Magna? c=

Is your reading comprehension bad? I just said I'd lynch farside NOW over DGB if I was given the chance.

OR you know you could also focus when I stated he says more as town then he's said this game, never mind tunneling only 2 players in a large game....????
Since when?

[farside22]

"i'd lynch you if Snarky flips scum"
"you aren't even lynching me"
so... Snarky will flip scum, Magna? c=

Is your reading comprehension bad? I just said I'd lynch farside NOW over DGB if I was given the chance.

yes, i know. and before that, farside said to lynch you if Snarky flipped scum. to which you replied, "good luck lynching me, farscum", implying that Snarky would flip scum. since farside only said she would lynch you on the condition of Snarky flipping scum.

Yup and then he gets all defensive.
Fun and good times.

[farside22]

Not a lie.

You want links?

If it wasn't bullshit you'd already have provided them.

But here are some for you ... all with Snarky Town

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=66137

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=66176

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=65953

Not a single one where Snarky wasn't a non-dynamic lurking Town player.

Oh look 2 out of 3 games he said more there then here.
Large game reference added too.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Look more the 2 scum reads there 2 with reasons and long post.

Now here is a scum game.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
Where he tunnels on drama from the start for shit reasons.
That is the only focus he does.
Look familiar here to the same aggressive shot here.

[farside22]

"i'd lynch you if Snarky flips scum"
"you aren't even lynching me"
so... Snarky will flip scum, Magna? c=

Is your reading comprehension bad? I just said I'd lynch farside NOW over DGB if I was given the chance.

OR you know you could also focus when I stated he says more as town then he's said this game, never mind tunneling only 2 players in a large game....????
Since when?

The things moi avoided when I spoke about Snarky's meta and only focusing on lurking aspect.

[farside22]

MoI why is Farside more lynch worthy than DGB??????

Hey Fuzzylogic who is scum? I don't recall you saying much of anything today.

Is DGB scum? Is Farside scum?

Join in the debate!

The I'm trying to save my scum buddy plea from moi.

[farside22]

@farside, your reads? We hear all about who you don't want to lynch. Who do you want to lynch?

MoI, snarky, skybird, Shiro (still on there)
Wouldn't lose sleep lynch (dgb, TWIE, random, lurker I maybe forgeting)

You think snarky scum means someone pushing a counter shouldn't be looked at? Let me know.

[farside22]

sure, sure.
i mean, you quoted her saying she'd lynch you if Snarky flipped scum, then said no, she wouldn't be able to lynch you...
but, surely you weren't responding directly to her then. my mistake.

i'm just saying. if it were me, i would have said something like, 'and who will you lynch if Snarky flips town?' or 'then i'll lynch you when Snarky flips town'.
instead, you ignored the 'if' case even though you responded to it. :>

Do you expect everyone to play exactly like you? This is more from a standpoint of general knowledge.

This is such obvious scum talk back it hurts.

[farside22]

MoI why is Farside more lynch worthy than DGB??????

Really.

They late claimed ascetic.
They used their roleblock on obvtown grapes on night 2, with the knowledge that acting can kill town.
They didn't block me, despite being up in arms about me being bad but never suspecting grapes.
They are not going after their cc.
They have not full claimed all their abilities.
This includes when their 3p wincon is.
They've attacked obvious town the entire game.
Their 180 on Cakez was terrible.
There already is a good 3p.
They were at least 1 shot unlynchable.

I've responded to all these points, if your going to keep repeating it that doesn't solve anything.

[farside22]

@farside, your reads? We hear all about who you don't want to lynch. Who do you want to lynch?

MoI, snarky, skybird, Shiro (still on there)
Wouldn't lose sleep lynch (dgb, TWIE, random, lurker I maybe forgeting)

You think snarky scum means someone pushing a counter shouldn't be looked at? Let me know.

Prove it. Vote DGB.

Pffffffffffffffffffffffft you just dont want that lynch over snarky.
Like if I'm right can I give you nothing but shit for being wrong?
I'd rather not.

Thanks but no thanks, I'd rather lynch a scum read and you of all players should know better.

Do you even care that I haven't hammered snarky when I can, or do you think I'm lying about that?
Please let me know.

[farside22]

But then, I don't believe they all can win with town.

I not sure Far is good..I believe she is likely a 3rd player survivor.
Also that's not the point,,,,,, I wanted MOI to answer. stop defending MOI. Its getting a bit on my nerves

One last time with meaning.
I'm town
Kevin
I can either go for town win con or if I get enough points I become 4rd party and leave the game. If Titus wants me gone so bad she should just let me get the 3rd party since I have no faith in her ability to find scum with her push on math and now me.

[farside22]

3rd nothing 4th sigh

[farside22]

Strange, I am also 4th party.

Is that the same as the 4th dimension?