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Alrighty, buys and girls. I've joined in as a replacement to try and save your miserable @r$e$. That said, don't expect me to post anything worthy within the next 48 hours. I need to read the game for myself (and NO, a tl;dr won't do. Thank you very much).
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I've done some skimming (and skipping) before I totally fell asleep yesterday, and I have a couple of things to announce:
1- I'm totally illiterate flavour-wise, so anything flavour-related will fall on deaf ears.
2- This wagon on zakk is really bad. I realize it's an easy thing to say since zakk did flip town, but seriously guys.
And now, I'll start catching up for real.
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In post 2189, massive wrote:At 50:
You guys have crystal balls or what?In post 2195, SnarkySnowman wrote:Almost there
55% caught up. By now I wouldn't want to lynch: House/SlySly/Ankamius/Titus/PeregrineV ever. I'm not going to comment on the two dead slots either. Back to reading.
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Post #2763 opened up my eyes, and -as a result- my NO LYNCH pool has been adjusted to Giovanni il Pellegrino/Ankamius/PeregrineV/Andrius.
If I had to speculate on two teams (I'm well aware there was only 1 NK) then I'd put Creature/SirCakez/mcMenno/Not Chara on one side vs Titus/SlySly/Leonshade/Narna on the other. I have 3 “wild cards” in Nahdia/Shiro/Maxous though, but I'm not going after either of them until I', proven wrong on the original 8 suspects either by evidence it's single ball (at which point the Titus team is likely town), by night action (investigation result) or something relatively as strong an evidence/proof.
I slightly disagree with zakk (RIP) on the "scum don't want to lynch opposing scum" premise, as they appear to have been taking bouts at each other (reporting from the battle ground here on page #111. I'm also getting anxious here to see how D1 ended in the lynch of MoI when he was one of the universal town reads AND no serious wagon on him for the opening 2774 posts (currently has NO VOTES on him).
I'll probably stop reading somewhere between posts 2800-3000 today, which means there is a fair chance I'd be fully caught up in the next 24 hours.
P.S. You're all NUTS for posting that many. It's like a billion monkeys had been given a billion keyboards and access to this thread to randomly type whatever they pleased. HAVE MERCY!
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Nice seeing you too, "my other head".In post 3895, Not Chara wrote:hello, Almost! nice to see you. thanks for replacing in.
maybe it's time my ghost haunts you like yours haunts me.In post 3905, SirCakez wrote:I thought A50 was already in the game for some reason lmao
Yeah, nice try. Creature might get annoyed though by you trying to mimic him.In post 3906, Nosferatu wrote:rip you replaced into a scum slot ((
I'm in the bolded slot now. Let's be unbearably annoying to each other.
Town Block: Almost50, Giovanni il Pellegrino, SirCakez, Nahdia, SlySly, McMenno,In post 3994, Maxous wrote: does anybody remember who were zakk's scum reads apart from Magna?
Scum in: Nosferatu, SnarkySnowman, massive, Firebringer, Titus, Not Chara, PeregrineV, Shiro,
But I wouldn't be blindly sheeping zakk if I were you.
P.S. Of course, I've changed the slot names to their current occupiers.
The mere fact that he does have reads and is engaging is enough a tell he's town.In post 3999, Maxous wrote:
based on...?In post 3997, McMenno wrote:snarky is town bruh
i'm really not liking his reads
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I'll saves ya the troubles.In post 4050, SlySly wrote:If I was scum, I would hammer.
VOTE: McMenno
I've just did. Are you shooting me tonight?? (Hint: DON'T!)In post 4059, Andrius wrote:No one is hammering Menno because the scum are already there.
Creature and Cakez ARE McMenno's buddies. I'm not sure about Fire, but I don't think he's scum.In post 4066, massive wrote:Not on McMenno today but voted McMenno yesterday: Creature, Firebringer, SirCakez -- all three on the Magna lynch.
and he's back on you today .. at least is spirit it's still him voting you.In post 4067, McMenno wrote:I was also voted by gamma emerald before the magna wagon happened
Inb4 I'm NK'd (by either side): McMenno flips scum = Lynch Cakez & Creature. If -by any chance- he flips town; I'd need to reconsider my current reads, but I think Narna would be the way to go. Whatever you do though, don't lynch any of Giovanni il Pellegrino, Ankamius, PeregrineV, Andrius or SnarkySnowman. Titus becomes a good lynch ONLY if AT LEAST TWO of Narna, Leonshade & SlySly flip scum.
Gamma Emerald, and I intend to be deliberately annoying in this game. Watch this:In post 4115, Titus wrote:@Almost, Who did you replace? You're giving me scumvibes.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: McMenno
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I think I'll go get a bite now then get some sleep. I can smell a night kill coming my way, but -in all honesty- I don't give dog's fart, as it will bite you in the "rear side".
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This claim was part of why I hammered. I already scum read you HARD, but I also see no reason what-so-ever to claim that. If you're town, you're telling scum to shoot you before that. If you're scum, you're telling the town NOT to lynch you for 6 more days, AND telling the other scum team not to bother shooting you in the near future (next 3-4 days) either. Then again, if you're scum you KNOW which member of your team shot whom, and you could either tell the truth (if they've already been lynched or just about to .. i.e. bussing) or can LIE and blame it on on either someone who did flip or even a living town player you failed to NK.In post 4120, McMenno wrote:I'm actually night 7 coroner
All possibilities lead to this preemptive claim coming from scum.
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I can't see il Pellegrino as scum, nor Titus w/o either Sly or Leon is addition to Narna. Furthermore, my PM strongly hints multiple killers. In hindsight it may have been a reference to there being a Town Vig though.In post 4122, McMenno wrote:final scumz
02 SirCakez
03 Giovanni il Pellegrino
07 Titus
13 Not Chara
18 Narna
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The only reason I'm not fully town reading Nahdia is I know she's capable as scum. Other than that I cannot really say I want her lynched the way she claimed her JK. (Hint: I don't see a scum motive behind claiming a failed JK action on the NK, and Jailkeeper is always a risky false claim).In post 4157, Maxous wrote:I don't agree with a Nahdia shot, i'm not sure what the problem with them here is, i think they're town.
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I did read the original version and THAT'S PART OF WHY I WAS READY TO HAMMER YOU. You only adjusted the claim to N7 AFTER I HAD ALREADY HAMMERED YOU.In post 4163, McMenno wrote:
if youIn post 4158, Almost50 wrote:
This claim was part of why I hammered. I already scum read you HARD, but I also see no reason what-so-ever to claim that. If you're town, you're telling scum to shoot you before that. If you're scum, you're telling the town NOT to lynch you for 6 more days, AND telling the other scum team not to bother shooting you in the near future (next 3-4 days) either. Then again, if you're scum you KNOW which member of your team shot whom, and you could either tell the truth (if they've already been lynched or just about to .. i.e. bussing) or can LIE and blame it on on either someone who did flip or even a living town player you failed to NK.In post 4120, McMenno wrote:I'm actually night 7 coroner
All possibilities lead to this preemptive claim coming from scum.read the fucking thread, you'll see that I claimed night8coronor,notnight 7 (which I am). my plan was to reveal this fact on day 8 with a result, before scum had a chance to nightkill me. of course this didn't work out
Now if that was your plan, why THE HELL did you claim AT ALL? Why couldn't you just KEEP QUIET and wait? What good is it to announce "I can't do shit for the next few days, bit I will eventually be of some value."??
You see, we do have a Vig who claims up to THREE shots a night. We also have AT LEAST one scum kill per night (I won't even include the fact I think it's 2), then we have the day lynch.
One average, I'll assume 1 lynch + 2-3 night kills will go through. That's 7 lynches and 12-18 NKs before you could even act BEFORE N7. 19-25 players dead (and that's ASSUMING only 1-2 Vig shots go through and NO SECOND SCUM KILL). Now add the N7 kills (because you still could've been killed before you outed your result), and you get 20-27 players dead. In other words your role -if you're being truthful- was meant to be used in LyLo or close enough....
So, I ask you again: WHAT GOOD WAS IT TO CLAIM YOUR ROLE AT ALL?
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18 hours into the day and we already have a hammer??? Now that IS annoying.
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I do. I didn't get to as much as take a sniff of the baddies today.In post 4296, Maxous wrote:Not gonna lie, I don't mind the short day for once
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I'm enjoying this .. A LOT. Wanna do 1-on-1? Or would you rather shoot me at night?In post 4393, Creature wrote:Maxous and Giovanni first. Maybe Almost50 too.
And as for Narna; if he says something like "I'm being death lawyered" it most probably stems from him knowing there is a death lawyer in the game. We thus cannot be 100% positive all flipped players were town. After all, this is explicitly a bastard gamer, is it not?
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Hey, Cakez. Can I die too? What if I ask nicely?In post 4396, SirCakez wrote:Oh Giovanni is in the Yume/House slot? That can die too.
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Can I have a bloody mary, please?In post 4408, Titus wrote:
This is usually where I start drinking vodka. Some wonder why I am not lost in a back alley.In post 4405, SirCakez wrote:if that's legit im going to scream
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You know what? I've come to realize everybody's town. the way to win here is to No Lynch and No Kill for 2 successive cycles.In post 4415, Creature wrote:Yey Leonshade is town
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In post 4418, Skullduggery wrote:Narna has been declared ineligible for the Day 3 lynch. All votes on Narna have been discarded.
Day 3 continues.
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This isn't a "lie". This is the action/effect of an in-game role. It's no more a lie than a GF returning an innocent or a Miller returning a guilty, IMHO.In post 4509, Titus wrote:
Mod said no lies.In post 4506, Almost50 wrote:
I'm enjoying this .. A LOT. Wanna do 1-on-1? Or would you rather shoot me at night?In post 4393, Creature wrote:Maxous and Giovanni first. Maybe Almost50 too.
And as for Narna; if he says something like "I'm being death lawyered" it most probably stems from him knowing there is a death lawyer in the game. We thus cannot be 100% positive all flipped players were town. After all, this is explicitly a bastard gamer, is it not?
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What's that even supposed to me?In post 4593, Narna wrote:
Hello? Have we played in the same game before?In post 4506, Almost50 wrote:
I'm enjoying this .. A LOT. Wanna do 1-on-1? Or would you rather shoot me at night?In post 4393, Creature wrote:Maxous and Giovanni first. Maybe Almost50 too.
And as for Narna; if he says something like "I'm being death lawyered" it most probably stems from him knowing there is a death lawyer in the game. We thus cannot be 100% positive all flipped players were town. After all, this is explicitly a bastard gamer, is it not?
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So? Wake's Role Madness had a Vanilla Cop AND a Neapolitan too.In post 4621, Not Chara wrote:vanilla cop is the most suspicious claim here. almost certain this is role madness.
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True that. It's annoying as hell. It's like Town PRs are supposed to be the underdog.In post 4640, Titus wrote:All the town roles had severe negative utility in some way.
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You guys tell me when you've either reached mutual consent or have managed to put up a nice tidy strong case on anyone for me to vote.
Oh, and someone needs to check me to verify I have no night action. I don't care if that'd be a Tracker, a Role Cop, a Motion Detector, or whatever else there might be in this setup. I came in with the intention to be as annoying as possible, and -instead- I ended up bored ansd annoyed myself!
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Yes, and I'm not claiming VT either. I'm just saying I have no active night powers, and my passive won't kill you either.In post 4717, Titus wrote:
Why you random claim no action?In post 4715, Almost50 wrote:You guys tell me when you've either reached mutual consent or have managed to put up a nice tidy strong case on anyone for me to vote.
Oh, and someone needs to check me to verify I have no night action. I don't care if that'd be a Tracker, a Role Cop, a Motion Detector, or whatever else there might be in this setup. I came in with the intention to be as annoying as possible, and -instead- I ended up bored ansd annoyed myself!
You are aware that I am outed Vanilla cop?
@Snarky:
Why not? What's the scum motive behind my previous post?
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Oh, dang!In post 4720, Not Chara wrote:this is town Almost, i'm pretty sure. don't waste a night action on him.
I totally forgot you were in the game. I had better try a new trick if I ever intend to be annoying still.
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First things first: I'd be annoying for as long as I'm in the game, and beyond.In post 4729, Not Chara wrote:almost, ISO me and search Titus. tell me what you think. i don't remember if you have concrete reads on either of us, remind me.
As for Titus; I do have a solid read of her being Town if this is single-ball. If MB I had her as scum, but I'm not that sure anymore.
As for you, you keep bouncing back and forth between a town lean and the null zone. I had you as a scum lean earlier, but for some odd reason you're not acting the same way as I would expect scum you. Only just not obv!Towning it either.
Right now I'm taking a great interest in sorting out Cakez. I've never been good at reading him, but I'm not going to give up until I do get a solid read. Right now he's a strong scum lean. Creature is right above him, and Narna is my 3rd scum read, but he is off the list for today.
The question is NOT whom I'm town reading and whom I'm scum reading. The question is do I have enough confidence to wage a war on someone or to die defending another? The answer is definitely NO. I feel like it's my first game and that I have no clue of how to scum hunt beyond gut reads. Something is off in this game and I cannot seem to pinpoint it, which is why I'm more annoyed at myself than I am annoying to you.
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You're not alone. Trust me on this.In post 4732, Giovanni il Pellegrino wrote:I seriously cannot get a grip on the game.
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@Chara:
I also had this as MB for a while, but then there have not been enough NKs to support it.
I have played an off-site bastard game before which had a similar feel of this one, with the mod also posting cryptic in-game messages. It was coming directly from them though at mid-day. It was a scum team + SK with GOO implemented and whoever got in contact with the Goo at night became the Goo instead (they actually swapped their roles), so if something similar is going on one cannot ever have solid reads because at one point you would be scum, then you would become the Goo, then you will become Town investigator .. and so on.
Btw, in THAT game, the Goo was NOT scum in itself, but still it was anti-town as hell, obviously.
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OK.. TIME OUT, EVERYONE. What if we flash wagon Leon today, force him to govern himself, then we lynch someone else, but we KNOW we can lynch Leon/Narna tomorrow if we still feel like it?
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Snarky is NOT scum in this game. FGS, this is the most active game I have seen him play.
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In post 4819, SlySly wrote:A mass claim would be so much easier and efficient.
Rrraf! (Translation: I very much agree. Let's do it, mate. You're my hero. I will follow you to hell and back on this one.)
Also; woof woof woof .. grrrr .. WOOF. (Translation: *Sigh*)
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Partially because I'm brain dead and don't want to get a headache trying to overload it. The other part is I wouldn't be annoying if I did play the game in the manner you'd expect me to, and this is one rare chance for me to be REALLY annoying and get away with it too.In post 4825, PeregrineV wrote:You replaced in and have the chance to give fresh eyes to a game in which you are freshly reading?
Why are you not doing so?
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As Firebringer would put it: "Reasoning is for scumz". Sriously though; you're SIRCAKEZ. I'd lynch you for lols and giggles.In post 4847, SirCakez wrote:In post 4735, Almost50 wrote:
Right now I'm taking a great interest in sorting out Cakez. I've never been good at reading him, but I'm not going to give up until I do get a solid read. Right now he's a strong scum lean. Creature is right above him, and Narna is my 3rd scum read, but he is off the list for today.
I'm interested in your reasoning for this
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I'll try to make sense for once in this game then I'm going to go back to my usual, OK?In post 4891, Ankamius wrote:It's such a remarkably stupid scum play that I feel it is literally insulting him to think it was one.
Discarding a scummy behaviour as too scummy to come from scum is exactly what scum!Me may do in an attempt to rescue a scum buddy. In other words, there is no such thing as "too scummy to come from scum" bc it's all a case of WIFOM.
1:logic /off
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Currently I'm working on several screenplays simultaneously.In post 4942, Titus wrote:Hey Almost, Can I see reads from you?
- "The Unlynchables" (Starring: Giovanni il Pellegrino, Ankamius, PeregrineV, Andrius & SnarkySnowman)
- "Clueless" (Starring: Maxous, Shiro, Titus, Not Chara, SlySly & Leonshade)
- "Spooks" (Starring: massive & Nahdia)
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- "Drop Dead, Scum" (Starring: Firebringer, Narna, Creature with a special appearance by SirCakez)
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What's the point? None of the 4 people I'm willing to lynch is being voted by a single other player. I'm not going to vote any of the currently being voted players.In post 4945, SlySly wrote:Almost50, break that loop with a vote.
OK, I'll make it easier for you: Pick one of SC & Creature and I'd happily cast a vote with a big smile on my face.
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No, you can't. Not unless YOU are hammering.In post 4949, SnarkySnowman wrote:Fuck everything else, can we lynch Almost now?
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In post 4950, Nahdia wrote:Sure. You hammer him.
Someone seems to have got me figured out. Or did they?
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'K.. let's give it a try:In post 4953, SlySly wrote:
If had to choose from those 2. I'd hammer Creature.In post 4952, Almost50 wrote: OK, I'll make it easier for you: Pick one of SC & Creature and I'd happily cast a vote with a big smile on my face.
VOTE: Creature
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1- Town are UNINFORMED. They do get carried defending scum all the time.In post 4961, Creature wrote:Almost50, how can Leon be town and Narna scum?
2- Leon isn't even in Unlynchables. He's starring in Clueless.
The way I see it: If Narna is scum that doesn't tell me much about Leon's alignment. HOWEVER, if Narna is Town Leon must be Town.
Put another way, Scum!Leon = Scum!Narna, but Town!Leon doesn't confirm Narna as either alignment.
Now I'm scum reading Narna, but I'm not sure about Leon. I even had him at a higher slot on my reads before that govern move.
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Well, too bad you're NOT.In post 4962, Creature wrote:Also, I can be pretty useful if I am confirmed town.
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You're trying to outguess skull??? REALLY???In post 4963, Creature wrote:What do you think Skullduggery would most likely add in the game vs what scum would most likely claim from the investigative claims?
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You know, I shouldn't be responding to this crap bc anyone with a brain can see you're talking nonsense, starting from calling my predecessor opportunistic, through bringing up a post where I suggested we defuse Leon's governor utility on himself (which is very much different than actually lynching him), to the "massive justification" stuff, and ending with making my "disappointment of the day seemingly ending before I get a chance to even read it" a scummy thing. I didn't even object to the Lynchee (That's you) but only to the speed it was done with.In post 4965, Narna wrote:VOTE: Almost50
Titus is still scum, but that isn't going anywhere with me on it. Gamma was incredibly opportunistic with his voting, and just parroted people. A50 "thinks" Cakez is bussing me and has Leon as a townread despite posting whatever #4784 is. #4174 is a massive over justification for his hammer on Mcmenno, and the whole, "Why would you claim?" thing is a load of bull. It's also really strange to say #4297 if you're "drop dead, scum" reading me. It looks to me like you were preparing for a townflip and vying for whatever small towncred you can get from the day.
Congratulations for stealing the light spot from SirCakez on that movie. You are now officiallyvillain of the season.the
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I already did though. Thank you very much.In post 4972, SnarkySnowman wrote:Almost, I want you to respond to what Narna said, because I don't think it's nonsense at all.
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In post 4975, Creature wrote:In post 4967, Creature wrote:So what's your opinion on how Narna acted after being hammered?
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I've been telling you FACTS ever since I replaced in, but you're just not reading, which is a great portion of why I'm scum reading you. Both Nahdia & Chara have been paying attention, and that earned them town points.In post 4976, SirCakez wrote:town Almost is usually pretty outspoken
P.S. My "town points" are granted to those who know me well and have played more than one game before. I do not expect those who never played with me (or played me maybe once) to understand so they neither earn town points nor scum points for failing to understand my OBVIOUS messages.
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I have no preference either way. When I get lynched I don't usually take much after the hammer as either alignment.In post 4987, Creature wrote:
I think it was more likely how town reacts after being hammered. What about you?In post 4984, Almost50 wrote:In post 4975, Creature wrote:In post 4967, Creature wrote:So what's your opinion on how Narna acted after being hammered?
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In post 4992, Titus wrote:
That result access just means she's scum and you're town. Gunsmith is easy to fake as scum.In post 4991, massive wrote:I understand Narna's claim may be fictitious if Narna is scum. Narna's result, however, is an actual result. You are asking me to do some high-level tin-foil hoop-jumping to get to a point where I don't at least believe Narna has access to that result. Calling it "nonsense" is just you trying to alienate me. Is that your game plan here?
We should be publicly dictating who Narna checks. Worse case scenario, we get associatives. Who do you think she should check?
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Nahdia, dear.. you know you won't be trusting Titus in this game even if you do get to peek on her inbox and actually read her PM. Let's have Narna check someone more likely to earn your trust and hers if proven to not be carrying a gun. I've already claimed I have no active abilities to begin with, so no gun would be even better (and make it safe for a TPR to check me IF they're still in doubt).In post 4997, Nahdia wrote:Course I'd probably just end up paranoid ranting about possible redirectors.
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Why do I feel that town is
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Can somebody tell me where this came from?? I mean, what town player refers to their previous scum games UNPROMPTED?? Did anybody say anything about Creature's meta recently??In post 5067, Creature wrote:Also, this isn't word vomit like I did at Micro 597 (in fact, I think that game was my best scum game, maybe behind Micro 647).
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Probably?? I'm "probably" Town?? Somehow I find it hard to believe you're still not 100% sure of my alignment, role and every other little detail in my role PM.In post 5073, Titus wrote:Snarky and Almost are probably town.
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This also gets on my nerves. All Creature seems to do is "this seems like X played in that game" or "this Y is different from the Y that was in the other game".In post 5080, Creature wrote:I have a feeling Maxous is different compared to The Walking Dead Season Finale mafia.
First: In WHAT WAY are they similar/different??
Second: Do you have ANYTHING else to add besides meta reads?
Third: So what happens when you're playing with someone for the very first time? How do you suggest you should sort them out??
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In post 5082, SnarkySnowman wrote:
LulIn post 5059, Creature wrote:SnarkySnowman being active in this game is a town tell.
also @titus - can you see any way Almost would be scum or is that just not a possibility for you
may I ask you what your problem is with my play in this game in particular?? You seem obsessed by the thought I might be scum to the point you are not paying attention at all, and I would very much appreciate it if you could explain this conf!bias against me in this game in particular. Thank you.
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Nope. 100% legit. I have literally told you everything at least thrice.In post 5092, Titus wrote:
Cannot tell if sarcastic...In post 5089, Almost50 wrote:
Probably?? I'm "probably" Town?? Somehow I find it hard to believe you're still not 100% sure of my alignment, role and every other little detail in my role PM.In post 5073, Titus wrote:Snarky and Almost are probably town.
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To you it may be. You don't usually pay much attention to minor details (no offense.. I respect your playstyle). Titus on the other hand would take a post and analyze it in a forensic lab for DNA and stuff, so NO WAY she has missed a fluffy hair ball here or a collar/bracelet there at the crime scene. NO WAY.In post 5093, SnarkySnowman wrote:
Like this. This, to me, is so scummyIn post 5089, Almost50 wrote:
Probably?? I'm "probably" Town?? Somehow I find it hard to believe you're still not 100% sure of my alignment, role and every other little detail in my role PM.In post 5073, Titus wrote:Snarky and Almost are probably town.
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And what is that? I mean, what exactly have I said that you don't believe that I believe??In post 5102, SnarkySnowman wrote:I don't believe that you believe what you're saying, for the most part
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Titus did NOT say I'm town. She said I'm PROBABLY town, and THAT is bothering me.
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@Snarky:
If I lay it out to you it will take away all the fun. That's why I'm playing the way I do. It is no longer a "mafia game" if just blatantly share our role PMs explicitly. However, reading between the lines, getting hints and stuff IS what constitutes playing the game.
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