Fire Emblem: Heroes of Mafia [Game Over]

[Desperado]

weeeeeeeeeeeee

vote: gammagooey

hi!

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chillin

wondering why you went straight to "lol you think we're partners????" when surely you knew it was multiball

kinda weird

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unvote
vote: superhans

gammagooey wagon is meh

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unvote
vote: boonskiees

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i don't believe that you really believed dunn was close to being hammered

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Votecount 1-3

Dunnstral (1): Vaxkiller
GuyInFreezer (1): Boonskiies
Not Chara (1): PeregrineV
Fr099er (3): GuyInFreezer, Gammagooey, Not Chara
Gammagooey(3): ThinkBig, Desperado, Vifam
Vifam(1): Superhans
Superhans (1): Fr099er
Desperado (1): Papa Zito

With 15 players alive, it will take 8 votes to lynch/no lynch.
Not Voting (3): Dunnstral, Malachite, Brian Skies

Deadline for Day One is: (expired on 2017-02-23 18:53:43)

VOTE: Dunnstral

I was going to vote Gif, but Dunn replacing Frie Assassin?

VOTE: Dunn

Dunnestral is at L-1 I believe.

There's actually no reason to lynch Dunn right now. At least give it a few days; he's barely even done anything this game.

Side note: UGH, I WANT TO HAMMER SO BADLY!!! I LOVE BEING THE HAMMER....

[Desperado]

i know who you are

i don't care

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The VC was added in after Boonskiies made that comment. You can tell by the post edit time stamp.

I'm not against a Boonskiies lynch for policy reasons, but I don't really see a reason to vote him here.

the VC itself doesn't really matter

nothing boonskiies says makes sense

some people just aren't bullshit artists and when they try it gets real awkward

that's boonskiies

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nah I thought I was closer to l-1 than 3 votes - votes were confusing with no vc


You think this is the best thing to latch onto to?

ya, currently

you got something better?

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I don't like his reasoning for voting boon

you sure you read it properly?

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I voted boon because I misunderstood why boon was voting super, not because he didn't realize it wasn't L-1, which is desp's reason. But when boon cleared it up for me I went back to super.

I actually thought Boon might have been intentionally pretending he thought it was L-1 to get people to vote him for that reason, and desp fell for it.

nope

pretty much not what happened at all

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@Super - why are you so play putting him to L-1 page 4? This wagon has scum on it, even if Dunn ends up being scum.

VOTE: Super

@Super - why are you so play putting him to L-1 page 4? This wagon has scum on it, even if Dunn ends up being scum.

VOTE: Super

If Dunn ends up being scum who cares how many scum are on the wagon?

Sure, a scum lynch is good no matter what, but my point i've been trying to make is why waste information given for page 5. Scum is coasting, and if he flips town, we just got screwed out of a lot of info because of a quick lynch.

its these two posts in combination, really

boonskiies is just...saying things. none of them connect to each other in any coherent way. i think he's just making shit up and being bad at it.

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I'm still having trouble seeing it. I think wanting to avoid a quick, relatively information-less lynch is a common concern for most townies. Although it can just as easily be faked by scum, I liked his kneejerk vote in response to Super subtly egging him on to hammer the vote. If there was anything that pointed me towards a scum-Boon, it would be this post where he takes a strange double position on the wagon. But even then, it just looks like a bait to me.

well i don't think boonskiies ever thought dunn was actually in danger of a lynch

so i guess i can understand why you aren't seeing it

[Desperado]

seems fine to me

i don't really understand it but hans does a lot of things i don't understand as town

[Desperado]

good question

why was mine sketchy?

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Desperado's is bad because if Gamma was scum, there's no reason for him to 'forget' it was multiball. there's nothing strange about town forgetting that fact. it's like looking at something that is 'weird' (forgetting the multiball) and calling it scummy without actually putting thought into it.

Superhans, you're an enigma and i can't

make

myself scumread you.

No, but there is plenty of reason to fake not remembering it's multiball.

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unvote
Vote: not chara

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whenever you guys are ready to kill boonskiies just hmu i'll be there lickety split

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Like that's the only player I feel kinda good about rn

anything beyond him feeling genuine?

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its quite early game so far, and i would say being genuine is the most important town tell.

well, genuine is subjective

and i don't think it's really that difficult to fake as scum either

so...?

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hahahahahahahahaha

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how did I end up on that list

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it was really bad tho

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it has nothing to do with my placement on the list because you don't actually have any reads

you spent 2000 words to tell us you had a townread on papa and everyone else can either be town or scum or hasn't posted enough

it's a garbage, garbage set of reads and i dont think town would have wasted that much time producing a reads list that means nothing

[Desperado]

Are you actually discouraging people from making reads lists?

when they actually only have one read?

yes

yes i am

[Desperado]

This line feels like you're just outright trying to discredit him

i am stating facts

i suppose you could argue that he gives fro99er a serious read as well but other than those two, every other player is in limbo or hasn't posted enough.

[Desperado]

Desperado u accuse a player of producing garbage, but I haven't seen anything better from your ISO...

i'm not spending 2000 words to show that i don't have many substantial reads

pretty big difference

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mainly i think a townie would have realized half way through that nothing he's saying is of any consequence and just stopped

[Desperado]

the reads list exists solely to satisfy the promise he made earlier

it's scum motivated

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So you would rather he didn't make the post?

it isn't a matter of what i would rather

it's a matter of what i think his motivation for making that post was

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We dont have that much to go on and I think the important thing in that list are the colors. I don't see why that same post couldn't have come from Town Boon rather than scum

the colors are meaningless tho

all of his null reads are the same but he splits them in to three groups because ???

you're his 3rd best townread and it's because you're focused? either town or scum he isn't sure but everything you've said seems to have been genuinely off the top of your head. no discussion on how this tell relates to anyone else, apparently you're the only player in the entire game typing extemporaneously

he can see everything his #1 scumread has posted as town or scum motivated.

etc

[Desperado]

I even mentioned in my reads list that I see some of my town reads probably wrong.

i know you did

and most (all?) of your scumreads could read town too

that's my point

[Desperado]

He only states that, yes, but that wasn't what I said. He positioned himself so he'd be able to switch his town reads to scum, specifically with his read on me. It's just how I felt reading that one post of his. I've stated all this before.

wait, are you saying that positioning oneself to switch a townread to a scumread is scummy or...?

[Desperado]

So your take on Boon is most of his reads aren't serious?

serious, strong, developed

"everything dunn has done could come from town or scum but I think he's scum" isn't a serious read

five nulls split in to three groups when they all have the same "hasn't done anything yet" blurb isn't serious

the post was just a lot of words strung together because he told us he was going to make it

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They can say...readslist tomorrow and then tomorrow comes and feel obligated to give a readslist. Just like I feel obligated to catch up now because I fucking said I would

ya, sure

it's the amount of production vs. the lack of substance that is scummy to me

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He only states that, yes, but that wasn't what I said. He positioned himself so he'd be able to switch his town reads to scum, specifically with his read on me. It's just how I felt reading that one post of his. I've stated all this before.

wait, are you saying that positioning oneself to switch a townread to a scumread is scummy or...?

also don't want boon to miss this

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Cuz it feels unnecessarily nitpicky to expect a lot of detailed coherent reasoning on every player in the game on D1. Yeah it could come from scum but town can easily be just as lost in their reads

at no point have i said that i expected 100% detailed reads on every player

[Desperado]

Then whats the issue then

tbh i'm not really sure how you've misunderstood me so badly

i've made my issue with it pretty clear

[Desperado]

read up from yesterday.
Boonskiies feels like town. also has the best avatar in the thread right now. i voted Fro99er initially for his point about scum being concerned about flavour (because how does that translate to asking in thread? scum have google) but now i'm townreading him for it. go figure. :>
Brian's Malachite vote is terrible. 'nothing else interests me at this time'? he voted Malachite for completely NAI behaviour. i don't know if that makes him scum.
superhans wagon doesn't feel good either. i guess early wagons don't need a lot of reason, but it seems to be the go-to for a lot of players.
like Dunn's Brian vote, though. Peregrine voting Malachite too continues not to make sense to me.

VOTE: Brian Skies
could also vote GIF for now.

looks like scum stream of consciousness

gave Superhans another quick check. i guess i do see why he would be voted, but there's nothing that really makes me want to press him. i don't know if this is a real feeling, or my usual knee-jerk urge to oppose early easy wagons.

the only purpose this post can serve is to fan the flames on a hans wagon without making a commitment.

i think i quoted those earlier. i didn't like any of those three posts. 47 might be the worst.

my post is the worst but he's voting thinkbig?

who wants to talk about why they're voting me?

Boonskiies still town, Gamma possibly town. i'd say Desperado is town on my wagon, unsure about the rest. Vifam's reasoning for the vote doesn't make sense and needs to be explained, and PV's vote needs something to back it up as well.
don't remember if Papa Zito gave reasoning, but PV's vote is more suspicious to me than it for reasons i hope are obvious.

no clue why i'm town

papa zito and pv literally made the exact same vote

classic going-through-the-motions scumscumhunting

[Desperado]

Positioning yourself, yes. Allowing yourself, no. Positioning yourself just means your putting yourself into a place where it makes sense for everyone else, allowing yourself is making sense of it for you.

brb lighting myself on fire

[Desperado]

Talk more about what this looks like, so we can all be on the lookout for it.

you being serious?

you almost literally copy/pasted my case on him

[Desperado]

Deswp do you still scumread Boon

yup

[Desperado]

after you posted your what?

multiball doesnt affect what fake scumhunting looks like. i dont think chara was thinking critically about his wagon and who was scum/town on it.

[Desperado]

they're still scum and they're still an informed minority

so their scumhunting doesn't look as genuine as it does when town does it

i didn't think not chara's investigation of his wagon was genuine

so it's scumscumhunting

[Desperado]

i can see where you would misinterpret that as scum looking for scum but that isn't what i meant

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seems like something to discuss after we've gotten nc's flip

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But, part of my scumread on NotChara comes from the focus on the Malachite slot.

then that seems like something you're going to have to wrestle with?

i don't understand what this has to do with me

[Desperado]

soooooooooooo

why???

[Desperado]

that's all i got

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TB is town af after that. I know exactly how he's feeling. He's invincible, got an awesome role, and wanted to share it to everyone, haha. I don't see scum making that move like that. Also, it allows him to not have to necessarily keep up with the game right away (he was gone for a while; he's probably not caught up) and insures his safety for the day because we aren't lynching that Day 1.

ugh

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lmao thinkbig is probably scum

he literally claimed 15 hours ago

not chara and GIF haven't even posted since

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Weird that you claimed though
Not sure I want to lynch Thinkbig if he's claiming 5 star though

But that role... how does it help town? Just a roleblocker and then self-bp

and this was dunn's reaction

but ya, super opportunistic, much scum

[Desperado]

not chara + boon, thinkbig + ????

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nah, too easy

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think/not chara is not a team tho

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lol @ saying he's town until another 5 star comes forward

rolefishing noted

[Desperado]

you mean other than him being scum or...?

[Desperado]

you mean other than him being scum or...?

He might be yeah but different battles for different days you know

This doesn't make sense. If you think he's scum there is no reason to leave him alive and plenty of reasons to kill him, mainly that he probably isn't lying about being a 5 star

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lol ya he's scum

And Hans is town. AJ is drawing a really narrow view of what town play is.

[Desperado]

Have you played with Hans before?

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there's also nothing scummy about what he's been doing and i think you're reaching

what you describe as "shopping his vote" is what i would call "building consensus"

he's engaging every slot in the game, forcing every slot to give opinions and take stances

^this shit isn't scum play

[Desperado]

this is also a cabd game

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Guys Cabd gives out great fake claim js.

I honestly do not give a hoot about the flavor (btw, Corrin is the main protagonist in the most recent Fire Emblem game.) but the role.

this guy gets it

[Desperado]

From my understanding, it is a combination of BP+Ascetic. If any investigative roles (i.e. cop, tracker, etc) target me, they will not get any results.

yup, so town





















oh wait

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V/LA until Sunday night. Tomorrow is my 22nd birthday (yay me) and will be going away to celebrate.

lmao

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yes dunn

i've been getting flashbacks to stack the deck all game

pretty sure hans has too

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you weren't being pressured in this game

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unvote
vote: thinkbig

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what was dumb about it?

even in the game thinkbig provided he didnt self vote as town

but he certainly did as scum in the game that me/think/dunn/hans just finished

[Desperado]

he isnt town

he provided a game where he was town that showed he reacted poorly to pressure and he managed to note self vote

[Desperado]

Vote: Not Chara

[Desperado]

I'm at work and don't have anything else to say currently.

Should I throw out some vague and ultimately meaningless feelings like you?

[Desperado]

catching up now.
i was roleblocked last night.

Also chalk me up for RB'd as well.

????

[Desperado]

i mean one reason would be to maybe get to act n2 and beyond?

[Desperado]

are you saying it would get me nightkilled? considering there's been a mislynch wagon on me both days, don't you think that would be a good thing?

huh???????

i literally have no clue who you got this from what i said

[Desperado]

so you were both explicitly informed you were roleblocked?

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Anyway TB wagon def had scum on it

Id say Chara/PapaZito/Gif are the worst looking

didn't have an issue with zito's presence/thoughts w/r/t thinkbig at all

[Desperado]

not chara?

[Desperado]

id vote him no problem

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I think Supehans was supertown.

I think the ThinkBig wagon was extra scummy. He claimed the 5-star town power and gets lynched?

There be scum all over that, and that's where I'm starting.

Meanwhile, I fully expect more posts from Gamma explaining how we were scum in another game together, and how that equates to anything in this game.

he wasnt "the" 5 star, town is just guaranteed at least one, and three people who had just played with ThinkBig scum were all over his lynch, including Supertown Superhans.

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I think Supehans was supertown.

I think the ThinkBig wagon was extra scummy. He claimed the 5-star town power and gets lynched?

There be scum all over that, and that's where I'm starting.

Meanwhile, I fully expect more posts from Gamma explaining how we were scum in another game together, and how that equates to anything in this game.

he wasnt "the" 5 star, town is just guaranteed at least one, and three people who had just played with ThinkBig scum were all over his lynch, including Supertown Superhans.

No one counterclaimed it. It made sense in a multi-kill game for town to have a role that couldn't be killed that way. And it made even more sense that he could take a chance and use a different power instead.

Even the horrible method of FULLY claiming was town.

When I ISO you am I going to find all of these opinions yesterday?

[Desperado]

Are you asking why I'd rather lynch the otherwise unkillable roleblocker?

Except if scum can't kill him, they would be all over his lynch.

this is all I found

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There's also no counterclaim to his assertion as a 5-star role, which we know town has 1 of. I'm fairly certain there's a possibility of more but the roll percentage of a 5 star is low enough to expect no more than 1. AKA his claim is basically true unless counterclaimed.

Though I probably wouldn't have claimed the "can be killed by strongman" part.....

That makes it more likely town, because town try to be honest when they should have just left that part out.

Oh and this

Fair enough

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With that said Brian was scum and off the wagon and Superhans was Supertown and led the charge on Think with me. Why don't you think scum would WK ThinkBig and just ignore him? Even if he hadnt been lynched he would have been a mislynch in scums back pocket all game.

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I'm unopposed to the ThinkBig wagon, by the way. I just don't feel like it's more likely to flip in either direction. From what I've seen, the guy just seems busy and apparently celebrates every major holiday. Useless != scum. And just because he didn't self vote as town in the game he linked doesn't make him scum here. That's a fallacy and you guys were wagoning him right after he said he was going to celebrate his birthday (I'd be pretty irked too). Why someone needs 5 days to celebrate their birthday, though, is beyond me.

I just feel a lot more confident in an AJ lynch.

Or something like this, Brian basically ignored Thinks claim entirely.

[Desperado]

So we're voting not chara solely on something brian did?

nope

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yeah actually I don't think it's AJ+PV. I need to figure out which of those two is town.

thinking it's AJ

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Like I said, I expected my Skies read to change. He can be town for now.

When Boon comes back can someone ask him what exactly about Brian's posting at the time made him feel like he was town

lmao

boon's been awfully silent today

consider him hated

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Plus like why would Scum!AJ tell us he was roleblocked right after Chara said he was roleblocked

It was unnecessary from both of them ofc but like I dont see why he'd do that when Chara is being ran up, doesn't really look good for him

this dude is town

[Desperado]

gammagooey
vifam
fro99er

papa zito
vaxkiller
aj the epic

------------ <-------- line of lynchability

dunnstral
guyinfreezer
peregrinev

not chara

boonskiies

[Desperado]

well, at least two of them are

when i figure out how to read you i'll put you further away from the line

[Desperado]

he's...scum?

[Desperado]

@ zito

[Desperado]

Color wheel thing still got ya?

among other things

[Desperado]

No but why.

you joking or...???

[Desperado]

and then, i suppose, i claimed my roleblock, and while no one has said why this is scummy, it's apparently 'weird' enough for me to be the only wagon today.

you missed my question btw

were you explicitly told you were roleblocked?

[Desperado]

that Brian would openly defend me when two other players were doing that work for me?

he wasn't openly defending you tho

Superhans, you're an enigma and i can't

make

myself scumread you.

Why did you emphasize 'make' here?

emphasis on how much i cannot make myself scumread hans, perhaps? i don't know, how i typed it is how i felt it.

How did you feel?

that i couldnt muster a scumread on hans. feels gut town.

This is what I thought you meant. I don't like the word 'make', because it sounds like you were trying to force yourself to read him a certain way, and I don't know why you would feel the need to do that. You deliberately drawing attention to it just makes it worse for me.

I don't know what from your posts gives Desp the impression that it's a scum stream of consciousness. When I read through your early posts, it didn't bother me that much. And your later posts, particularly the ones in response to the pressure on you, give me the impression of a townie speaking in my head (regardless of whether I agree with anything you've said).

chillin

wondering why you went straight to "lol you think we're partners????" when surely you knew it was multiball

kinda weird

Well that was a quick change in vote from dunnestral. Yuck.

*whispers seductively in your ear*
Do it baby, no one's watching

oh, right. i didn't like anything ThinkBig posted, that's what i was forgetting.
VOTE: ThinkBig

This bothered me as well. But I figured you probably hit the Q+ button a few times. You immediately responding to it makes me believe it wasn't intentional, and I agree that Desperado's post was probably the worst of the bunch, but only because I didn't like his explanation for it here. Thinkbig's post just looks like a kneejerk response that could easily be from either alignment and Super's post just looks like an obvious joke not to be taken seriously.

I would lynch AJ before I would lynch Chara.

The reason I would vote AJ before Chara is because I can see AJ being scum whiteknighting Chara regardless of her alignment.

I would lynch AJ before I would lynch Chara.

Why's that? Like, what is the source of your townread on NotChara being stronger than your read on AJ?

My townread on Chara is not strong. I just think that if there's scum between the two, that it's possible that it's only AJ (or that AJ is not her partner). This is because AJ has spent most of his energy pushing suspicion on players voting his slot or chainsawing Chara.

The reason I would vote AJ before Chara is because I can see AJ being scum whiteknighting Chara regardless of her alignment.

why does that same logic not apply to NotChara?

257 came before 415

Because Chara's post is not a strong defense of the Malachite slot, and I don't believe it was ever intended to be. AJ, on the other hand, is clearly hard defending Chara.

I would lynch AJ before I would lynch Chara.

Why's that? Like, what is the source of your townread on NotChara being stronger than your read on AJ?

My townread on Chara is not strong. I just think that if there's scum between the two, that it's possible that it's only AJ (or that AJ is not her partner). This is because AJ has spent most of his energy pushing suspicion on players voting his slot or chainsawing Chara.

The reason I would vote AJ before Chara is because I can see AJ being scum whiteknighting Chara regardless of her alignment.

why does that same logic not apply to NotChara?

257 came before 415

Because Chara's post is not a strong defense of the Malachite slot, and I don't believe it was ever intended to be. AJ, on the other hand, is clearly hard defending Chara.

Maybe. But Aj's reason for townreading Chara, as dumb as it was, makes sense.

I have not seen the reverse.

I've only seen two mentions of Aj's slot in Chara's posting. The first was here where she said she thought our votes on the Malachite slot was weird. The second time was here where she indicated that she could see AJ as scum whiteknighting her.

AJ, on the other hand, has mentioned a strong townread or defended her on multiple occasions: 415, 427, 562, 584, 596, 601, 639, 641, 647, 849. 645 and 649 were deflections directly related to his townread on Chara. 708 was an attack on a player that voted Chara. 715 was a direct response to a question you posed to him about Chara. This means that 14/18 of his posts mentioned Chara or were related to his read on Chara in some way. None of his other posts indicate an interest in anything unrelated to her.

What about AJ's townread of Chara makes sense to you? Why do (did) you think there's a likely team between the two? And why does the bolded matter considering Chara has never stated a townread on AJ?

Aj has also continued his pattern of attacking players who scumread him or scumread Chara. He has since added in mild setup speculation.

Look at you all setting up lynches. It's so adorable. I wouldn't have to focus on defending Chara so much if you wouldn't insist they're scum. And saying "Aj is only focusing on those who vote Chara" is kinda disingenuous because that's at least half the fucking game at some point or another, considering people like Brian Skiies only states "Vote AJ" anymore.

Well, I wouldn't be so focused on you if you learned a new trick. But since you apparently only know how to do three things, then yeah, you're scum.

The game is 40+ pages now. Surely you can do more than just attack people for their reads on you or Chara. I remember you entering the game with a comment about forced run-ups, but you never bothered to follow up on it. Did you even do it?

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brian opens with a bullshit question to chara and then literally spends the entirety of d1 linking AJ to Chara "regardless" of Chara's alignment

@ zito: i don't really care if you don't understand it, i've explained it more than once. explaining it again isn't going to ~magically~ make you get it.

[Desperado]

the only player voting me i townread right now is Desperado.

why??????

this read didn't make sense in 546 and it doesn't make sense now

[Desperado]

@ zito: iso me and ctrl+f boon

i honestly don't know how you don't know why i think he's scum??? i haven't been shy about it

[Desperado]

Dunn, who's scum besides GiF? and Desperado, what about that post had Vifam town for you?

another player mirroring my thoughts is a pretty rock solid towntell for me

[Desperado]

@ zito: iso me and ctrl+f boon

i honestly don't know how you don't know why i think he's scum??? i haven't been shy about it

I don't know why you've decided to be a giant aggressive asshole today but sure.

Reading through your iso I see scattered potshots at boonskies for not living up to some sort of internal posting standard and you didn't like his reads list. Wow. How the fuck did I manage to miss this gem of a read.

didn't we already establish that you don't understand the read?

and i'm not being aggressive or an asshole, i just don't care to repeat myself in a text based game that has multiple tools at your disposal to answer your question

[Desperado]

like you didn't even ask me to rephrase or anything

you literally told me to link you to my previous posts

^not going to do that if prompted, ever

[Desperado]

oh right, you did ask this before. why the incredulity? you ooze town. i don't have specifics, you just look really town, from your approach and how your conclusions form. i don't like you reads but there's really nothing about you that has made me question the townread.

because you didn't like some of my posts, then i was on your d1 wagon but was ~magically~ town with no explanation and that read has survived to d2 because...? i just ooze town, apparently.

let's try it this way...why do i ooze town but zito is scum?

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@ zito: iso me and ctrl+f boon

i honestly don't know how you don't know why i think he's scum??? i haven't been shy about it

I don't know why you've decided to be a giant aggressive asshole today but sure.

Reading through your iso I see scattered potshots at boonskies for not living up to some sort of internal posting standard and you didn't like his reads list. Wow. How the fuck did I manage to miss this gem of a read.

didn't we already establish that you don't understand the read?

and i'm not being aggressive or an asshole, i just don't care to repeat myself in a text based game that has multiple tools at your disposal to answer your question

There's nothing in your iso that answers my question. Nothing points to why you have such a hardon for boonskies and why he's hated and why he must die nownownow. The failure is on your part to communicate not on mine to understand. Being a dick and making words ~magical~ doesn't help your cause.

False, you just don't agree with why I have a hard on for boon. There's a difference. If me not feeling compelled to quote my own posts when you are perfectly capable of accessing them yourself makes me a dick then so be it.

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False, you just don't agree with why I have a hard on for boon. There's a difference. If me not feeling compelled to quote my own posts when you are perfectly capable of accessing them yourself makes me a dick then so be it.

I certainly don't and you've done a terrific job of not convincing me of your case here. Have fun grandstanding instead of actually getting him lynched I guess!


P.S. I asked for a link :3

Does it look like I'm trying to get him lynched??? I'm not even voting him.

I spent a lot of energy trying to convince people yesterday and he got nothing but townreads.

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i believe my shot would have been spent had i targeted an ascetic, or someone otherwise investigation-immune.
but since i was roleblocked (prevented from acting), i never used it in the first place, thus keeping the shot.

It makes no sense to refund your shot if you got roleblocked, at all.

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It makes no sense to refund your shot if you got roleblocked, at all.

take it up with the mod then. Aj is saying the same thing i am.
being roleblocked means you don't get to act. it's not unreasonable to not lose a shot.

no, aj said he wasn't informed he was blocked, just that his action didn't take

that isn't the same thing at all

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FTR I wouldn't make this assumption. It's entirely possible that roleblocked shots get refunded in this particular game.

then what is the purpose of making abilities one-shot?

by refunding roleblocked shots you're punishing the roleblocker for successfully using his role...that is Bad Modding

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and what is the purpose of vax's role if shots are just refunded willy nilly?

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and what is the purpose of vax's role if shots are just refunded willy nilly?

If I were a one-shot vig

and I successfully got a shot off

and someone could reload my gun again

I would be the happiest man

what does this have to do with vax's role not making sense if being roleblocked doesn't cost you your shot?

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just pretend that i'm saying all the things zito is for the purposes of this conversation, getting to actually use something good twice is a pretty good benefit

and this game is semi-randomly generated already, let's not go into rolezzzzzzzzzzzzz when there's pretty clearly more important stuff to read chara with here

yes, i agree that a vig who makes a kill could use another shot

...but we're talking about players claiming they were roleblocked but were also refunded their shot which makes no goddamn sense at all

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and that is an incredibly poor assumption given natural action resolution and the nature of one-shot roles

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let's say chara is town and a scum roleblocker blocked his watch/track

in what universe does it make sense to give him that shot back???

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alternatively, chara is a scum tracker/watcher and a town JK blocked him

but he retains his track watch?

come on

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and if you're wondering what the point of all of this is, i don't think it's a reasonable assumption as a town one-shot PR to think that you were blocked AND that you still have your shot

so if you were informed that you still have your shot, you should be thinking of other reasons why your action didn't complete

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(again, plz check pronouns)

ya, i'm not going to refer to a person as "it"

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and i'm pretty sure i've been using "he" to refer to not chara all game and...it...hasnt mentioned anything so...?

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what don't you understand zito?

refunding a 1-shot ability that got roleblocked

makes no sense from a modding perspective and i have no idea why i'm having to even explain this

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like, what if the roleblock was 1-shot too? so the roleblocker loses their one shot for successfully blocking another role but that role gets their 1-shot refunded?

like seriously what

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what does you being inactive have to do with not correcting me on you preferred pronoun? you responded to at least one post of mine that used "he"

this conversation is probably also better served for post-game?

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like, what if the roleblock was 1-shot too? so the roleblocker loses their one shot for successfully blocking another role but that role gets their 1-shot refunded?

like seriously what

what happened then? do you have an explanation?

what does me being town or scum have anything to do with thinking i was roleblocked?

no, i don't have an explanation

but you've admitted that you thought claiming roleblocked would get people off your back.

and now i'm questioning your thought process of even arriving at that conclusion

because i think you're scum!

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what don't you understand zito?

I understand everything. I'm asking you for your alternative explanation. If roleblocks don't refund shots then what scenario does?

i don't know

i thought claiming roleblocked when

my action failed

would get people off my back, yes.

if you don't have another explanation, what on

earth

is weird about my assuming i was blocked? should i have assumed the mod was fucking with me instead? that i was redirected?

this is a basic setup principle. refunding a one-shot ability that got blocked would be complete bullshit.

BTW wasn't there someone who was pushing Thinkbig for picking a red orb (as to it could be scum motivated)?

pretty sure that was hans

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what does that have to do with this conversation?
i don't know how all of the orb stuff worked. i was just told my color is white, i suppose that's the color Lyon picked.

huh???

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maybe only like-color roles can affect each other?

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i didn't even have white as an option

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ya i think i'd vote GIF just for that claim

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Everything, boon?

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And he's WKing in multiball because...

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Because it's easy. You guys are really bad at multi all if that's how you all think...

Not sure why you made a general statement to something that I said personally but "it's easy" isn't a scum motivation.

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What did Brian gain from WKing town Chara? Without giving him anything more than a weak townread?

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he wasn't pocketing you tho, that's the point

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unvote
Vote: GIF

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Anyone have any to take credit for keeping the thread open?

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What's 'tia' again?

I'd be interested in seeing Peregrine take some pressure after two days of relative nothingness.

Does GIF's flip basically confirm Chara for scum (name sharing)? I think he's a reoccurring character but having the same character twice doesn't make much sense.

read the rules bro

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I think it's pretty clear now that GiF was the townie counterwagon. We're lynching Chara today.

actually just for fun

VOTE: Not Chara

does this do anything

Huh???

You think Chara is red scum so his counterwagon is irrelevant.

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Huh???????????????

You can't call GiF a counterwagon if there aren't any scum to push it.....

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WAT

there were mos def scum pushing it.

ya but not red scum

because that's chara, according to zito

so the other scum team pushing a counterwagon to chara scum makes 0 sense

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Wait don't you scumread boon?

Wasn't he on the GIF wagon?

I guess I need to break this down.

Zito thinks Chara is Brian's partner.

Brian is dead.

Zito is now also continuing to push Chara scum because GIF was an "obvious counterwagon" to Chara scum.

But Chara scum has no partners left! So this line of thinking falls apart.

Get it?

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Brian Skies - I don't really feel he's doing or saying anything, but he is making sure he is there to make it seem like he does. I am gut scum reading him, but holding back a little because I see him as a player who needs more information to hit his stride, so he isn't my strongest scum read at the moment. I expect on the next read chart for this to change into me pushing him hard, or me solidly town reading him.

He pretty clearly lists only 4 out of 15 players he wants to vote today no?

He only states that, yes, but that wasn't what I said. He positioned himself so he'd be able to switch his town reads to scum, specifically with his read on me. It's just how I felt reading that one post of his. I've stated all this before.

You have but honestly I feel like that reasoning is weak. None of my town reads are currently so strong that I'd be unwilling to swap if needs be, especially without flips and wagons to look at. That post he laid out his 4 top scumreads with reasoning (albeit poor) and also gave a few townreads. shrug

it's day 1. it's more a matter of tone to me i guess. The way he had it rubbed me the wrong way. Maybe i'm tunneling, oh well. I want more info. i want flips.

His brian read in conjunction with his scumread on Dunn for positioning himself to switch townreads to scumreads is the #1 reason I'm reading Boon as scum.

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Are you saying boon is scum with not chara? Because thats the only combination that makes sense. He has the perfect opportunity to just sheep along with the rest of us when not chara was at L1, but he said chara looked town.

For teh record, I dont see it that way. I think boons thoughts on chara come from a town place. (boon town)

no, i'm saying boon is brian's partner

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Actually, you bringing up my Brian Skies read actually goes against what I said to Dunn. Defends me. I changed it to a town read, not a scum read. I did the opposite.

The direction of the read is irrelevant.

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Thing is I cant see PV being partners with anyone unless he's lone scum rn, everyone seems to be scumreading him atm

i'm not

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doesn't mean much to me especially when aj a) doesn't know he was roleblocked n1 and b) is pretty scummy himself

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also both players who claimed roleblocked n1 being able to act n2 is ridiculous

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Desperado - I had actually to town read Desp for a bit, and I don't know if my gut brought me back to it or in a way OMGUS due to his scum read on me, but I believe this post is a scum slip. He says "so the other scum team pushing a counterwagon to NC scum makes 0 sense" implying he knew there wasn't scum, or his scum partner, on the GIF wagon, even though he had announced his scum read on myself and NC, who was on that wagon. This somewhat counters the possibility of him and Zito, due to Zito moving to GiF, but that pairing was mainly POE for me anyways. He could be scum with PV or against, idk.

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Why would he lie? If we lynch PV and he flips town, where does that get AJ? A lynch ticket. Not see why he would lie.

let me get this straight

we're assuming that aj and not chara both had 1 shot abilities that got blocked and were then reloaded (????) but that there is NO other explanation for the lack of a 2nd kill last night beyond AJ correctly JKing soloPVscum?

bullshit

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I am responsible for roleblocking EVERYONE on night 1. It works jsut as described, if they were roleblocked, they were refunded thier shot. My hope was to catch scum in a lie, and I would bait them by saying I had a day reloader, and I would not be informed if the shot was successful or failed. Plan didnt quite work out tho. I figured since I made it so far, I may as well try and soak up a night kill, but I think frogger may have targeted myself or NC. God I hope it wasn't me.

OH HEY

LOOK

I WAS 100% RIGHT YOU FUCKS

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vote: boonskiies

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zzzzzzz

didn't you just say you were leaning town on me during all of that?

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of course pv is going to vote you

he thinks you're scum!

so do i!

i didn't drop anything. chara can still be scum. i would gladly vote him still. i just want you dead more.

that's kinda how mafia works

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During all what? This is hindsight bruh.

during me supposedly being "paranoid" about not chara and aj claiming blocked but refunded shots

you said it there in your read on me that i quoted a few minutes ago

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Brought it up for a second up there, but throws it out. Yeah, right. How does that top 3 scum pick just get thrown out the window when he's JK to a no kill happening.

that read was from d1 and it's d3 now?

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How is Boon the better lynch here

there are plenty of explanations for the lack of a kill

and boon's lack of critical thinking in this situation is pretty damning. PV was widely scumread and i was not....why the FUCK would we have sent him to do our kill last night if we're scum together???

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Also, Desperado bringing up my lack of critical thinking means that he thinks I'm town not critically thinking, yet he is voting me. That is a scum statement.

no, it means you're trying to fake being town and failing at it

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if you were town who was thinking critically about this situation you would realize that me and pv being scum together doesn't follow logically with pv committing the kill and being jailkept

so you're scum ignoring the evidence to push an agenda

get it?

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who was scumreading me?

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or any of a number of other reasons a kill would fail

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Also, what made you switch from your PV scum read to how you are now? Especially considering last nights actions...

i didn't have a scumread on him, i was just willing to lynch him

and the read started changing when he noticed the same things w/r/t you and brian that i did

@ gamma are you seriously suggesting you can't think of other reasons for the lack of a nk?

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or are you just unwilling to entertain them

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nothing i say matters anyway, i'm sure zito will hammer PV once he gets back from his weekend v/la

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How does him noticing things revolving me change anything? It's multiball. It's just as easily coming from scum. Honestly, I'm beginning to think that PV/Desp could have just no killed. Desp isn't looking at the fact that there are two scum teams, and it's most likely because he's having to fabricate reasons because he is on one of the scum teams.

this logic literally applies to anything

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might as well just pack it up guys, it's multiball so scum are scumhunting too so everything can come from town or scum! we should all just give it up

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@ gamma i think this will be the 3rd time i've said that his posting w/r/t brian and boon was town

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Votecount 1-11

Malachite(1): PeregrineV
Gammagooey(2): ThinkBig, Vaxkiller
Superhans (2): Boonskiies, Brian Skies
ThinkBig (3): GuyInFreezer, Not Chara. Papa Zito
Vaxkiller (1): Gammagooey,
Brian Skies (1): Dunnstral,
Not Chara (2): Desperado, Vifam
Dunnstral (2): Fro99er, Superhans
With 15 players alive, it will take 8 votes to lynch/no lynch.
Not Voting (1): Malachite

Malachite has 7ish hours to pick up her prod before being replaced.

Deadline for Day One is: (expired on 2017-02-23 18:53:43)

?

PV, do none of these wagons interest you? Or are you just gonna sit on your Mala vote? Your entire iso is full of jokes with no content and now you're just sitting on a slot that may not even continue to exist in this game.

Based on Brian wanting any wagon not his partner, I'd say AJ, Gamma, Vax, and NotChara, and Dunn are all not Red Scum.

Leaves Desp, Vifam, Frogger, Zito, Boon.

the posts i'm talking about start here and go forward. this post was made on thursday.

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You don't agree with that, though. You were bringing up NC scum with Brian.

yes, and now i'm not. i noticed the same things pv did between you and brian.

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So why are you voting alongside people you think are scum?

it's multiball!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!

because i thought gif was useless and might have flipped scum

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he can!

what's your point?

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like, you seem to think you've caught me in some kind of GOTCHA moment but the fact is that what you're saying could apply to any tell

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It's either

1. Scum no killed
2. Frogger and both scum teams all targeted the same person
3.All scum targeted Frogger?
4. PV is scum

You're missing like four or five other optiona

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@Vax: I'm not typically around on weekends.

i don't like that Aj was the one to 'catch' Peregrine here.

I don't either. The fact he claimed the refund gives credence that he tried to do

something

N1 but I'm still bothered that he claimed it unprompted and I don't like anything in his posting history. So I'm not quite sure what to do with his claim. It doesn't help that PV isn't posting though.

Pretty sure PV is Vla on weekends also. Ego check confirms.

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fuck all y'all

for real

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VOTE: AJ

This needs to die

I still don't think AJ was lying


there's prob other explanations for PV's flip

ya think?!?!?!?!?!

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Also, Pere, what the hell, why didnt you fight?

dont fucking put that shit on pv

the self hammer was bad but seriously, dont

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vote: boonskiees

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if you fuckers don't want to listen to me that's on you

i don't care about helping you

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get boon to talk more???

we have at least two, maybe three extended back and forths

he lurked d2 but there is plenty of content to build a read

and i'm not telling you to blindly follow me

i'm telling you not to imply that i'm not going to or havent been helpful

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PZ/Chara/Boon

VOTE: NotChara

not feeling zito scum at all

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yes the dunn kill is bizarre, his iso is horrible and offers no clues to anything

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Vote Chara then

i could say the same to you

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Hey desp, who are you town reading?

you and zito

vifam to a lesser extent

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If you look at interactions there's no way AJ/Brian are a team together

A Brian/Chara team makes perfect sense tho

If we dont get the last redscum aren't we completely fucked when it comes to winning this game or am I doing the numbers wrong?

lynching the last red scum makes tomorrow MYLO

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I really thought Gamma looked really town on his PV push, I'm not really feeling the townreads on PZ let's discuss that

why did his push feel town?

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ahhh heeeellllllll naw.

First of all...
VOTE: Desperado

I'm a 1 shot vig [life and death], and I shot at Desp last night. Night 1, I shot at GIF, but it got refunded, which is why I'm very pro town NC/AJ and didn't really question their roles. And Desp probably going to claim some BP role, but that just doesn't make sense as town with a bodyguard, JK, and a vig? Come on. That's way too much blocked kills for town.

This is a lie. I know for a fact I wasn't shot last night.

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And yes I am a one shot BP but I'm informed when the shot is used and I was not shot last night.

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Desp coasted yesterDay knowing Pere was probably town due to havin more info based on his kill probably being the one that was stopped, and potentially setting up a BP play later.

This is complete garbage. How was defending PV coasting????

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Gentle Giant, red, 4 star

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Last night was n3...

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Then I got stopped some other way, because I targeted you last night. And I think this might actually be a scum slip, like actually this time. What was the missed kill then? Likely that both scum teams hit Dunn?

Also, what motivation would I have to lie about shooting you? It doesn't necessarily incriminate you outright. But you are confirmed scum basically from my perspective. I just have to get hem to realize it.

It doesn't incriminate me outright but I'm confirmed FYPOV?

You've been spewing word salad all game and this might be the worst version yet. The motivation is to muddy the waters and push my lynch...Which is exactly what you're doing.

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No I still have my bp

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And just asking that question shows you aren't thinking this through, as usual. If I was shot n2 I would have claimed it when I was defending the guy that got framed

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sounds like the kind of thing you bring up when a no kill happens the day before and someone's being incriminated to a lynch, doesn't it? Why wouldn't you bring this up yesterDay with PV?

What?...

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Like what motivation do I have to fake claim this, Desp.

Answers this literally five posts ago

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You said you know for a fact you werent shot last night, but why would I claim to know you are BP then? Like, it happened, and now you're just covering it up, or shenanigans happened.

You didn't claim to know I'm BP you said you bet that's what I'll claim.

I'm not covering shit up.

If people can't see that you're scum after this I don't know what the fuck

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At this very moment I'm assuming you're a red rolecop who either can't shoot or has chosen not to.

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There is no scum motivation from my half!!! Like there isn't! As scum, it would have been better to just stay quiet about it. And the odds that I'm just correct about the BP without actually shooting at you? Come on!!! You're better at wording things than I am, and you're banking on me getting lynched through that. You easily could just have lied about the informed thing, or if it happened or not.

So I'm lying about being informed if my one shot is used even tho every other one shot has also been informed if their shot was used?

Lol

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At this very moment I'm assuming you're a red rolecop who either can't shoot or has chosen not to.

Please look at this everyone. There are multiple reasons why this is post is from scum. Why, as red role cop, would I choose not to shoot? There are already multiple roles out from prior days. There would be no reason to NK there as solo red scum with two scum left on the other team. Also, on top of this, Desperado had said that they should stay away from lynching red scum toDay, yet is pushing me, his assumed red scum.

1) it got PV lynched and you are now using it to push me as well. There is plenty of scum motivation to not shooting no matter how many times you say there isn't.

2) no I haven't said that we shouldn't lynch red scum today.

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There is no scum motivation from my half!!! Like there isn't! As scum, it would have been better to just stay quiet about it. And the odds that I'm just correct about the BP without actually shooting at you? Come on!!! You're better at wording things than I am, and you're banking on me getting lynched through that. You easily could just have lied about the informed thing, or if it happened or not.

So I'm lying about being informed if my one shot is used even tho every other one shot has also been informed if their shot was used?

Lol

Ah!!! I see why you did it!!! Guys!! Aj/NC please say you see ScumDesp now! We aren't informed if it went through or not, it was only because of Vax's ability that our roles got REFUNDED.

....

That means that you are informed when the shot is used......

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The end result is the same.

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If an active ability is used and is not refunded then guess what? You've just been informed that your shot was used.