Micro 895: Think Twice (Thanks for Playing!)

[eth0s]

Intent to hammer.

[eth0s]

If he's scum its in his best interest to hammer me right now otherwise mafia has no chance to win it

Then I would have hammered you durrrr

[eth0s]

When is night for you? I'll be around for a bit.

[eth0s]

Welcome to the game elements

[eth0s]

Quickhammering is also equal to getting insta-lynched in Day 2 regardless of flips so no /funsies

idk not a huge fan of this post and then later unvoting saudade while still calling him out

if someone hammered THAT early in the game i think the flip would actually have been pretty good for reading the hammerer. Why would scum lynch their own buddy that early on?

If the answer is "to gain towncred" okay fine. And maybe that would work. But in a state where nothing at that point had really earned anyone town/scumpings (in my opinion) I just don't see a scum making that kind of play for towncred. If anything a future saudade flip should implicate me more for my intention to hammer post than a saudade scumflip should have if I quickhammered.

As far as the tinfoil idea that pops into my mind of a volpe/saudade team goes, I wouldnt think goon!volpe would even put gf!saudade to L-1.

But I do think that gf!volpe would potentially put goon!saudade to L-1 there and plan on pushing any potential hammerer the next day with some wifomy logic.

Aside from this paranoid situation I think volpe seems town in a vacuum. And saudade can be town for now until I figure out what the big deal about him is.

[eth0s]

Not loving elements so far.

No one should particularly love me either since I have one real post and it revolves around tinfoil. So I'll give elements the benefit of the doubt since I don't really feel much to respond to either.

However I want him to keep true to 116 rather than just wait around to "be impressed" I guess you could say.

VOTE: elements

[eth0s]

tris is my null read but my gut leans scum on that overall

[eth0s]

tris is my null read but my gut leans scum on that overall

Disregard this completely. I thought this was similar to scum!tris play in micro 883 but it is actually like polar opposite I think.

For context that is my only game with her before this one (I think)

[eth0s]

She can be town for now too. But I would like more activity from her as well. Now that we are all here and at least posted some sort of opinions I'd like to know if anything particularly sticks out to them so far.

I don't think a read list is necessarily needed but any perceived meta changes/similarities, valid/invalid points, basically just anything to help form reads and get the ball rolling would be nice.

[eth0s]

She can be town for now too. But I would like more

readable content

from her as well.

EBWOP

[eth0s]

Aside from this paranoid situation I think volpe seems town in a vacuum. And saudade can be town for now until I figure out what the big deal about him is.

why does he get to be town rather than null?

which one

[eth0s]

I know you assuming Saudade as scum in good-faith could just be read as you going in hypothetical theories, but you don't seem to ever stop considering Saudade as scum, and Saudade flipping scum incriminates me is the first thing you think about. I feel as if you're trying to draw associative between Saudade v me when it doesn't exist?

I don't like it at all when by random odds Saudade has a 50% chance of being scum from my pov.

I could have worded it a bit better. I'm saying if he

did

flip scum then why the hell would a buddy do it so early on? And your bolded question in 132 would only incriminate me if he and I are a team. If he and I are a team then why would I go through all of the trouble to explain why I don't think a quickhammerer would be his scummate there? If that were my angle I would have quickhammered him.

So your "don't like it at all" is just you reading too far into it. I get where you're coming from though. Not even in an AI way. As both truthful town and lying scum I have pointed out these "why did you just assume that person to be x" to form or fake a read.

Although to be honest I now realize I meant to add another point after the whole "why would scum lynch their buddy early on" bringing about the perspective that, yeah, a townflip there means the hammerer is probably scum. And in that case I would assume it's the goon with a deepwolf gf

[eth0s]

i don't know what you mean by transparent in this context?

As in obviously town or scum.
It was more of a post directed at eth0s.
Having skimmed a few pages I have discovered he is not.

@tris and elements

oh. I misread this. I thought he was talking about this game having not read it yet or something.

Tbh I would call myself the opposite of a transparent player. And not because I'm really good at appearing town when I'm scum. More because I'm just bad at this game as either alignment

[eth0s]

saudade gets to be town rather than null because I am saying that I think he's town because of his approach the game so far. Yet people were making a big deal about him on page one so I'm thinking there is some meta about him that I don't yet know and will find out

[eth0s]

I don't think tris and elements are the same alignment

[eth0s]

at the VERY LEAST they're not the scum team me thinks. gonna stew on it for a bit

[eth0s]

can someone ask me a gun to my head question? I've never had that before

[eth0s]

I want to feel the steel against my skull

[eth0s]

saudade would be my scum guess because volpe is townier than him in a vacuum

you stay town for pretty much just meta reasons, but your questions towards me were decent too

[eth0s]

that one doesn't count since it's actually a question I forgot about. New question gun to my head go

[eth0s]

who would be your mafia partner if you had one?

saudade for backpeddling on my permission for him to be town since you made me make a decision about that

[eth0s]

quote the above at game end, game was solved on page SEVEN

I love when people say shit like this and are wrong. I'll be quoting it alright

[eth0s]

the tone just seems so... mechanical

Going immediately from calling the scumteam to calling another person scummy is not a good look.

[eth0s]

the tone just seems so... mechanical

Going immediately from calling the scumteam to calling another person scummy is not a good look.

i mean if u take my page 7 guess seriously (because its right??) then yeah its a bad lookk

Why do you want to be able to say things and simultaneously not mean them at the same time? if you think you're right then act on it. If you don't then don't. What's the point of saying things for bragging rights?

team is volpe and saudade, quote this at end of game!
team is volpe and elements, quote this at end of game!
team is volpe and tris, quote this at end of game!

team is saudade and elements, quote this at end of game!
team is saudade and tris, quote this at end of game!

team is elements and tris, quote this at end of game!

there. now I'm right and you aren't.

How about explaining why you were concerned about activity then you pop in to just make useless statements about a scumteam that you actually don't believe while ignoring the rest of the discussion that went on. To be fair I like the comment on tris' line of questioning but more than just that would be nice.

[eth0s]

okay

[eth0s]

I would unvote but if someone quickhammers we're 100% getting them lynched tomorrow therefore I'm not really worried about it

I still don't care for this line of thinking

[eth0s]

Didn't you say you'd do that if someone quicklynches town?

Although to be honest I now realize I meant to add another point after the whole "why would scum lynch their buddy early on" bringing about the perspective that, yeah, a townflip there means the hammerer is probably scum. And in that case I would assume it's the goon with a deepwolf gf

not unless you think that me saying someone is "probably scum" in that situation is my way of saying I am going to powerlynch them.

[eth0s]

hint: it's not

[eth0s]

holy fuck tris I thought I was high when I saw your profile picture change to a cat

[eth0s]

Spoiler:

Big mood

[eth0s]

Anyone disagrees with that?

if yes why?

I think I understand where town!you would feel that way but I'm not sure I agree. Saudade kinda beat me to it but I have other reasons to be less certain on tris now

[eth0s]

Elements can you elaborate on why you originally thought I might be so transparent? Was it simply based on posting patterns from game to game?

I like that you seemed to have actually looked into it but I find it a little concerning that you have attempted to sort both me and tris via meta yet mine seemingly comes down to post quantity while hers is based off of actual aspects of content.

[eth0s]

I feel that she was reactive yes but I also felt that although she was being rhetorical, she was being non rethorical enough to not look like scum asking pointless things/interactions to try looking productive, which is exactly the behavior that I would assume scum!tris has here although I need to check her games before getting solid on it

Eh based on what little I know of her meta the lines of questioning actually rub me the wrong way.

[eth0s]

tris is my null read but my gut leans scum on that overall

Disregard this completely. I thought this was similar to scum!tris play in micro 883 but it is actually like polar opposite I think.

For context that is my only game with her before this one (I think)

Anyone disagrees with that?

if yes why?

I think I understand where town!you would feel that way but I'm not sure I agree. Saudade kinda beat me to it but I have other reasons to be less certain on tris now

So, you've changed your mind between these? Want to explain your reasons at either point?

You started playing like you did in your scum game and it felt forced

[eth0s]

I feel that she was reactive yes but I also felt that although she was being rhetorical, she was being non rethorical enough to not look like scum asking pointless things/interactions to try looking productive, which is exactly the behavior that I would assume scum!tris has here although I need to check her games before getting solid on it

Eh based on what little I know of her meta the lines of questioning actually rub me the wrong way.

have you seen town me?

No

[eth0s]

I'm saying your play changed to fit aspects of it. I'd like to go back and look at the ISO to compare it but I'm on my phone so I need a lil bit to get back home.

[eth0s]

one question at a time towards elements, mine came first so feel free to disregard everything else in this thread Element

No.

[eth0s]

I think eth0s apparently completely ignoring my post is more makes him townier than tris to be fair

Idk

Idk what I was supposed to say

[eth0s]

We lynch one of saudade/volpe today

[eth0s]

UNVOTE:

[eth0s]

The question is... who?

[eth0s]

Before that I will get to Tris

[eth0s]

tris is my null read but my gut leans scum on that overall

Disregard this completely. I thought this was similar to scum!tris play in micro 883 but it is actually like polar opposite I think.

For context that is my only game with her before this one (I think)

Up until this point you had been playing a pretty damn passive game. Really making mostly joke posts or things just completely devoid of readable content. At first I incorrectly remembered that as being what you did in the miccros game. That was wrong. You played miccros by asking a lot of questions all the time. Like a LOT of questions. Almost every post at least to begin with. And a lot of those questions look pretty pointless in retrospect.

Then shortly after I made my stance on you, your play changed greatly and you start asking a bunch of questions, none of which seem all that important to me.

It feels like you just wanted to let the game state develop before really doing anything, and then once you did do something it heavily reminded me of your scum play.

There is one reason I don't feel this strongly enough to vote you, but it's somewhat conditional. I also think one of volpe/saudade need to go today anyway.

[eth0s]

I do have to wonder why you would let the beginning of the game go by without making any stances or doing, well, anything AI. I think that could be the kind of play that comes from the godfather. However I need to consider how strongly I feel there.

[eth0s]

Reminder that Saudade is L-1.

[eth0s]

I know elements is V/LA but this day should NOT end until he comes back and gives some input on what's going on.

And I don't mean a line or two I want to see specifically what he agrees with, what he disagrees with, and original opinions he has formed from the last couple of days of discussion.

[eth0s]

Now that the game has ended I would like to note that elements and I just played a scum game together.

Here's the link if anyone is interested in reading it.

I know self-meta is shit (well a lot of people disagree with me there but I'm a strong advocate of "people aware of their town meta will often attempt to copy it" in the same way that "people showing off their scum meta will often play the opposite of any sources they cite") but regardless I think it could be good insight.

[eth0s]

I think town!elements is referring to the transparency thing with me as I deepwolfed hard in our scum game and posted heavily throughout. If he's town then that was probably an attempt to quickly get a gut townread on me for my opening this game kinda being an "I don't give a shit" playstyle or whatever you wanna call it.

If he's scum it's basically the same thing I guess but fake

[eth0s]

Do you have a plan after whichever one we flip flips? If so what?

nope

[eth0s]

Do you have a plan after whichever one we flip flips? If so what?

nope

so you don't think they're nessecerily on different teams, but their flips will give the most info

I didn't say that

[eth0s]

I think even if I did have a "plan" it would be wise to keep that under wraps until it's relevant.

I think if I say "if x flips scum then y is probably scum" or "if z flips scum then y is probably town" and anyone actually agrees with what I'm saying, it leaves scum with too good a choice. They can make their stance now, "agree" with someone's scummate idea, and feel comfortable that a {scum lynch, mislynch} will likely lead into a mislynch.

And I'm kinda getting the vibe that you're asking me what my plan is for that reason

[eth0s]

Like why do I need a plan for post flip? It's an awkward question. Especially in this setup

[eth0s]

I think the opposite. If saudade flips town I think volpe or tris is GF. Leaning volpe.

Goon absolutely makes that town!saudade hammer because it saves the GF from getting lynched the next day.

[eth0s]

Consider my vote on elements, but I'm not letting another quicklynch happen today.

I'm pretty sure it's just goon him and GF volpe

[eth0s]

Elements literally hasn't mentioned Volpe one or even acknowledged her existence unless you count how he would obviously have to when saying querying me about what my plan is.

[eth0s]

words are hard

[eth0s]

Elements I think I'm going to mark you as town im my head, what do you think?

I don't believe you.
I'm rarely town read day one. So if you actually are town reading me I'd be very surprised and interested to hear why.

This is literally the closest thing elements ever said to imply that he didn't think saudade was town (after straight up calling him his first TR upon entry to the game) and to "not believe" him is a pretty fucking weak solo reason to throw down the hammer. There's literally no way that elements plays like this as GF. and it's the most ridiculous thing possible for town so I am going to have to hard rule him as a goon

[eth0s]

Elements should be the guaranteed lynch of the day but since saudade won't be here D3 I want his full perspective and thoughts on who would be the GF if elements flips goon like I expect he will

[eth0s]

Volpe's interactions with elements are also quite poor.

I agree with the idea that she is deepwolfing and do not understand how town!she would possibly come to the conclusion of elements GF based on his play on that hammer.

It's nothing more than distancing from her goon I believe

[eth0s]

I'm pretty sure that I'm the only one that ever voted elements. Even if he "seems kind of scummy" or however you'd like to put it, I'm pretty sure all town understand why you, saudade, or me were probably the only viable lynches for day 1.

Like one of the 3 of us is deepwolfing. Or if you're not me I guess one could believe that both of us are, potentially. But someone that is either town or deepwolfing basically has to die first in this setup from my understanding.

Elements had never stated any good reasoning to lynch saudade so your "theory" looks quite shallow. Even if saudade flipped goon elements would be an obvious lynch because elements hammering the person that he has only ever stated to be town is a death wish. He would need to fake some kind of scumread on saudade first to even make that bus halfway believable. Given your stance on powerlynching any quickhammerer there is no way that GF elements makes that play knowing that the temporarily living saudade will still be around with the person who stated intent to powerlynch any quicklyncher.

He's the goon and you faked that theory to buy yourself towncred because you knew you'd be screwed without some kind of towncred for the team since he wasn't going to get any for himself.

[eth0s]

You can replace if you want but it's not gonna change my read.

Just because you've efforted harder than Tris in this game on average doesn't make you townier than her. I see a clear pattern in your motivation whereas my ISOdive on Tris didn't make me feel strongly one way or the other. My gut leaned town but I felt it could go either way.

However with you I don't see any town motivation in your play

[eth0s]

when I feel like I need to be town read no matter what I link you the game

my scum vs town play is really day/night

I think I don't need meta to be obvtown though

when does this happen

[eth0s]

However with you I don't see any town motivation in your play

To elaborate I saw a lot of what looked like feigned town motivation. Your interactions with me are especially bad from halfway shading my supposed "slip" on saudade being my scummate, to basically TMI'ing the whole "I think eth0s ignoring me is towny" thing.

Like I think you were looking for a different reason to TL me than what others had stated but somehow just landed on something that no townie should ever feel is AI enough to actually form a read off of.

Like I said, you, me or Saudade died D1. Those were the only real options. I started to look obvtown and was obviously not gonna be lynched. There was never any real traction on tris because you knew me and saudade werent going to quickhammer her, and you can't be lynched day 1 because then the game is over.

It became saudade or lose and that's probably why elements decided to change his vote from me to saudade so fast. Not because elements had any real chance of being lynched. Feel free to prove me wrong though. If you're really town and I'm just dropping the ball hard I would like to know why you thought elements was going to be lynched and why you thought him quicklynching a townread is something he does as GF rather than to protect his GF.

[eth0s]

However with you I don't see any town motivation in your play

To elaborate I saw a lot of what looked like feigned town motivation. Your interactions with me are especially bad from halfway shading my supposed "slip" on saudade being my scummate, to basically TMI'ing the whole "I think eth0s ignoring me is towny" thing.

Like I think you were looking for a different reason to TL me than what others had stated but somehow just landed on something that no townie should ever feel is AI enough to actually form a read off of.

Like I said, you, me or Saudade died D1. Those were the only real options. I started to look obvtown and was obviously not gonna be lynched. There was never any real traction on tris because you knew me and saudade werent going to quickhammer her, and you can't be lynched day 1 because then the game is over.

It became saudade or lose and that's probably why elements decided to change his vote from me to saudade so fast. Not because elements had any real chance of being lynched. Feel free to prove me wrong though. If you're really town and I'm just dropping the ball hard I would like to know why you thought elements was going to be lynched and why you thought him quicklynching a townread is something he does as GF rather than to protect his GF.

[eth0s]

yeah, for having that strong a start I don't see how having piles of content to interact with suddenly makes her feel like the game is underwhelming. That logic is literally ass backwards.

Add to that she thought a game with 10 day long phases was going to be marathon?

Yeah I just don't buy it a bit. I'm not reading that self meta reference. It's elements/volpe

[eth0s]

lmk what you think saudade

[eth0s]

saudade no

[eth0s]

you're literally going to be the only conftown slot this entire game. Can you at least spew before you die for real?

I mean I feel pretty confident that I'm right but I still want your opinion on things..

[eth0s]

There will never be another living confirmed town. Therefore he

is

the only one and is

going to be

the last of his kind.

Are you trying to imply some kind of slip because that doesn't even make sense for a scum slip

[eth0s]

Elements and tris interactions are either faked well or just genuine. I still think elements not acknowledging volpe's existence pretty much confirms them as the team

[eth0s]

What do you hope to gain by pretending to not know the answer to that?

[eth0s]

You arent pinged by elements complete lack of ever mentioning volpe?

[eth0s]

oh dear god

[eth0s]

it appears the tables have turned this game mena

[eth0s]

Quickhammering is also equal to getting insta-lynched in Day 2 regardless of flips so no /funsies

idk not a huge fan of this post and then later unvoting saudade while still calling him out

(1) if someone hammered THAT early in the game i think the flip would actually have been pretty good for reading the hammerer. Why would scum lynch their own buddy that early on?

If the answer is "to gain towncred" okay fine. And maybe that would work. But in a state where nothing at that point had really earned anyone town/scumpings (in my opinion) I just don't see a scum making that kind of play for towncred.

(2) If anything a future saudade flip should implicate me more for my intention to hammer post than a saudade scumflip should have if I quickhammered.

As far as the tinfoil idea that pops into my mind of a volpe/saudade team goes, I wouldnt think goon!volpe would even put gf!saudade to L-1.

But I do think that gf!volpe would potentially put goon!saudade to L-1 there and plan on pushing any potential hammerer the next day with some wifomy logic.

Aside from this paranoid situation I think volpe seems town in a vacuum. And saudade can be town for now until I figure out what the big deal about him is.

(1) I'm p sure I've seen a mini or marathon-mini where that's literally exactly what scum did and they won bc everyone said "oh but scum would never lolhammer their buddy in their first post"

(2) what?

(2) is me saying that I typically disagree with the logic of "scum would quickhammer their buddy there" so a saudade scumflip should implicate me more for my intention to hammer post than it should've if I hammered him there

[eth0s]

lol eth0s have u rolled scum with ele twice in a row

you're his scummate so no

[eth0s]

Aside from this paranoid situation I think volpe seems town in a vacuum. And saudade can be town for now until I figure out what the big deal about him is.

why does he get to be town rather than null?

which one

feel like ur being intentionally oblivious here eth0s

why would scum want to be intentionally oblivious towards a question they ask a counter question for

[eth0s]

Aside from this paranoid situation I think volpe seems town in a vacuum. And saudade can be town for now until I figure out what the big deal about him is.

why does he get to be town rather than null?

which one

feel like ur being intentionally oblivious here eth0s

why would scum want to be intentionally oblivious towards a question they ask a counter question for

I literally don't know what you're saying

"towards a question they ask a counter question for"

what?

Like why would I be intentionally oblivious whenever I'm expecting clarification?

There's absolutely nothing for me to gain by asking for clarification on the question

[eth0s]

i don't know what you mean by transparent in this context?

As in obviously town or scum.
It was more of a post directed at eth0s.
Having skimmed a few pages I have discovered he is not.

@tris and elements

oh. I misread this. I thought he was talking about this game having not read it yet or something.

Tbh I would call myself the opposite of a transparent player.

And not because I'm really good at appearing town when I'm scum. More because I'm just bad at this game as either alignment

I mean MMRT is pretty contradictory of this

does elements call you out on that after it finishes?

Idk you're biased with MMRT because of our PT there and the main reason I was even townread by most was because of my bussing. The korina thing helped a bit too but in general people are usually pretty suspicious of me in my scum games

[eth0s]

Mena you're picking the wrong person to try and mislynch here

[eth0s]

I mean that in a purely factual way, not like an egotistical I cannot be lynched way

[eth0s]

can you hammer element so i can die in peace

why won't you provide anything useful to the game before you die? you're literally conftown being anti town

[eth0s]

if mena is town then he thinks he knows how to read me a lot better than he really does

but he's just playing aggro scum

[eth0s]

tris is my null read but my gut leans scum on that overall

Disregard this completely. I thought this was similar to scum!tris play in micro 883 but it is actually like polar opposite I think.

For context that is my only game with her before this one (I think)

Up until this point you had been playing a pretty damn passive game. Really making mostly joke posts or things just completely devoid of readable content. At first I incorrectly remembered that as being what you did in the miccros game. That was wrong. You played miccros by asking a lot of questions all the time. Like a LOT of questions. Almost every post at least to begin with. And a lot of those questions look pretty pointless in retrospect.

Then shortly after I made my stance on you, your play changed greatly and you start asking a bunch of questions, none of which seem all that important to me.

It feels like you just wanted to let the game state develop before really doing anything, and then once you did do something it heavily reminded me of your scum play.

There is one reason I don't feel this strongly enough to vote you, but it's somewhat conditional. I also think one of volpe/saudade need to go today anyway.

so

get the mislynch in volpe/sau

then push tris ftw D2

solid plan tbf, how's it working out for you

so you just throw the progression that I have on tris out the window and make a completely empty and baseless accusation on me rather than say anything productive at all

solid plan tbf, not gonna work out for you.

[eth0s]

eth0s your play here is so blatantly manufactured lol

rip town if we lose when you've clearly been setting the game up a v certain way since D1

also nice to see I was right when I said your positioning on tris was to show your ~*progression*~ there

how is my play here manufactured and how have I positioned the game whatsoever?

explain that even a tiny bit. My reads have progressed throughout the game and you're being opportunistic to even imply that I was setting you up for a ML after saudade. I wasn't a part of that wagon on him and elements and I have zero partner equity.

[eth0s]

the important thing for me is that i townread ethos which leaves you and volpe scum

I mean volpe play was p trash and volpe is not bad scum, which should give you some doubts there

so we're gonna need to talk about this bc I'm p sure you're town at this point and that eth0s has been setting my slot of the game losing mislynch

didn't vulpe literally claim to be obvious as scum?

And people were putting her on a pedestal early in D1 so...

It's really easy to come in and write off your slot as bad town when you're caught scum.

[eth0s]

Elements literally hasn't mentioned Volpe one or even acknowledged her existence unless you count how he would obviously have to when saying querying me about what my plan is.

it's funny bc I'm p sure that elements spent half his time talking about TL!partner (not sure how much he talked about you tbf) in MMRT so the fact that you're angling this as being indicative of me!scum is a lol when there's meta that this literally isn't a scumtell for him

okay if that's what you think then you should be suspecting tris over me since that was his most interaction by far.

[eth0s]

Like why do I need a plan for post flip? It's an awkward question. Especially in this setup

If you have no thoughts whatsoever about what happens when one of them flips, you saying one of them should flip is an un-grounded statement and it's basically a random lynch. You're better then that. At this point we want the flip that gives us the most information whatever they are given if town they don't die until the next lynch so can help out. Just by saying you want one of them to flip implies you think they give the most information upon flipping, so why you'd deny this I don't know or understand.
VOTE: eth0s

are you saying you intentionally lynched town?

I would hammer tris over volpe

Volpe just really bad at the game

u think this is town!eth0s?

again you just shade me instead of challenging what I said whatsoever

[eth0s]

saudade you were honestly useless this game jesus christ

[eth0s]

it's textbook shading and if you're actually town here you're being so dense it's ridiculous

[eth0s]

how are you even going to say that when you came into the game deathtunneling me like jfc

[eth0s]

you're doing EXACTLY what you're accusing me of doing

[eth0s]

you've read every single post I made this game with the assumption that I'm scum and you're just looking for reasons to scumread me

[eth0s]

i mean you're just being a complete hypocrite at this point

[eth0s]

if mena is town then he thinks he knows how to read me a lot better than he really does

but he's just playing aggro scum

I mean I'm really not, and I'm p sure you've been trying to set me as a mislynch

yeah go read my iso over again without assuming everything I said had scum motivation then because you're way off if you're not just trying to mislynch me

[eth0s]

I think you've pretty clearly faked an "ooh tris is scummy oh no wait I misremembered this thing LOOK EVERYONE I'M CHANGING MY TRIS READ I'm clearly showing you that tasty PROGRESSION"

the fact that you're relying on this now as a reason to TR you is more reason to be sceptical about it tbh

how the fuck did I fake anything and how is it supposed to be clearly fake????

like you just played with me as scum why the ACTUAL FUCK would I play this sloppily if you just earlier accused me of lying about not being good at appearing town as scum?

your progression makes 0 sense

[eth0s]

I mean yeah I'm obviously gonna reread both of your ISOs as it's lylo

so why are you not giving me the same benefit of the doubt but insisting that I give that to you?

not even benefit of the doubt but why are you so locked on me

I was locked on your slot for being a scummy slot and you came in and singled me out and tunneled this shit out of me

That is nowhere near the same thing and it's so blatantly not the same thing that I will actually be pissed off if you're town

[eth0s]

I mean kudos bc I do think your scum play here is better overall than MMRT and I think it was p good there

I'm just not naive enough to TR you for the same things twice when you're scum, and I think what you've done her plays exactly to your strengths

this also doesnt fit your progression AT ALL

you've been saying how obviously fake and scummy EVERYTHING I HAVE DONE HAS BEEN

yet somehow it's better than MMRT where I deepwolfed and you townread me the whole game?

ok bud

[eth0s]

I mean I'm obviously being productive and I'm basically out of my scummeta at this point for anyone who wants to check

I think you've deliberately set up the game with a ~*progression*~ on tris to try and get her to TR you for it because she feels like your read has shifted

then you get ele to quick hammer while volpe is on wagon, and you know that means ur gonna have to bus him today

so then you do that, count on tris to read you as town for changing you read on her, and try to get her to hammer me

it's why your "need sau/volpe to go today" thing was bad -- you were setting up around 3p lylo with tris, ele is your partner, so you needed to eliminate one of those two to leave the other as the target

lol so you're using the scum's logic against my reasoning to try and discredit me

you actually just claimed scum LOL

also I didn't bus elements and I deliberately did not want him lynched until tris and volpe provided more content

the fact that you're okay with what she has said this phase and not at all worried about how she just immediately agrees to lynch me without even fucking acknowledging what I said about your slot earlier is just... ???!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[eth0s]

Like I cased volpe and tris didnt say shit

you case me and shes like "oh I didnt read this but lets lynch eth0s and I'm gonna end the day real quick lol"

[eth0s]

and that doesnt bother you at all

ok

[eth0s]

I mean I'm obviously being productive and I'm basically out of my scummeta at this point for anyone who wants to check

I think you've deliberately set up the game with a ~*progression*~ on tris to try and get her to TR you for it because she feels like your read has shifted

then you get ele to quick hammer while volpe is on wagon, and you know that means ur gonna have to bus him today

so then you do that, count on tris to read you as town for changing you read on her, and try to get her to hammer me

it's why your "need sau/volpe to go today" thing was bad -- you were setting up around 3p lylo with tris, ele is your partner, so you needed to eliminate one of those two to leave the other as the target

lol so you're using the scum's logic against my reasoning to try and discredit me

you actually just claimed scum LOL

to add to that, you are using the scum's logic against me that... wait for it... YOU BELIEVE ME TO BE SCUMMATES WITH

LIKE

...........................

[eth0s]

Elements literally hasn't mentioned Volpe one or even acknowledged her existence unless you count how he would obviously have to when saying querying me about what my plan is.

it's funny bc I'm p sure that elements spent half his time talking about TL!partner (not sure how much he talked about you tbf) in MMRT so the fact that you're angling this as being indicative of me!scum is a lol when there's meta that this literally isn't a scumtell for him

okay if that's what you think then you should be suspecting tris over me since that was his most interaction by far.

I mean I think you've both been interacting with him and I don't see why I should take that as enough of a reason to override my TR on tris?

and also doesn't explain what is the more significant point which is you trying to push me/ele based on that when you know that ele, for all of his inability to hide being scum, doesn't have that particular scumtell

I will have to go back and reread but I think you're just pulling the way that he interacted with TL and potentially me out of your ass

[eth0s]

I think town you would at least be thinking here but instead you're just gonna keep pushing me without even raising the possibility to yourself that tris could be deepwolfing here and letting a TvT blow up

I have literally never dismissed that idea once

[eth0s]

Like I cased volpe and tris didnt say shit

you case me and shes like "oh I didnt read this but lets lynch eth0s and I'm gonna end the day real quick lol"

"eth0s didn't hammer so he's scum but I also didn't hammer but I'm gonna do it now because I'm not scum lol"

like what the fuck

what kind of logic is me being scum for not hammering while there is a slot catchin up, I'm waiting for tris and saudade to actually talk about anything, but yet SHE CAN JUST BE "NOT READING THE GAME" AND AUTOMATICALLY IS SUPPOSED TO GET TOWNPOINTS FOR HAMMERING WHEN SHE DIDN'T FUCKING DO IT EARLIER EITHER

[eth0s]

idc if mena is town I'm gonna let this game be on him because tris will obviously sit around and say nothing productive if she's scum and just wait for mena to vote me to hammer

so I'm just gonna instavote tris next phase because mena can have the win if he's scum. I'm not gonna defend myself against such loose logic especially when tris is gonna come in and say shit like "I didn't read the game but let's lynch eth0s for doing exactly what I did even though his reasoning for it is way better than mine!"

[eth0s]

idc if mena is town I'm gonna let this game be on him because tris will obviously sit around and say nothing productive if she's scum and just wait for mena to vote me to hammer

so I'm just gonna instavote tris next phase because mena can have the win if he's scum. I'm not gonna defend myself against such loose logic especially when tris is gonna come in and say shit like "I didn't read the game but let's lynch eth0s for doing exactly what I did even though his reasoning for it is way better than mine!"

[eth0s]

Like if tris is deepwolfing her stance on both of our cases is the biggest clue there because I think if shes scum she just feels comfortable now seeing the two of us just go after each other, saudade do jack shit, and now she feels 0 pressure and can just platantly say shit like "lets lynch eth0s" without reading the game or interacting with anything

[eth0s]

saudade says he thinks it's her/elements and she just so happens to not read a damn thing and just pops in to end the phase and continue to not do anything AI whatsoever while saudade (who likely wouldn't have done shit about it anyway tbf) is still around

[eth0s]

btw mena if you're actually town you should realize the likely reason that tris is just going to immediately side with you is because you've left open the possibility of lynching her even less than I have

This is in regards to all of the stuff you said about me "working an angle on you" or not considering tris or whatever.

I'm obviously the lynch of least resistance somehow, and scum!tris can't fake an organic progression to me being scum here, I don't think.

That's why it's easier to vote and accuse now and explain later (or not at all maybe)

[eth0s]

yeah, wanna respond to the rest?

[eth0s]

I actually love that's the one thing you pick out between me casing volpe, mena casing me, and me giving my thoughts on how your progression makes sense as a deepwolf

lol

[eth0s]

that's the one thing you pick out to respond to*

[eth0s]

why are you assuming i'll take menalque's side?

I interpretted this entirely the wrong way

he is confirmed scum at this point since everyone has had a chance to hammer, i don't know if there's a reason i should hold off on ending the day right now.

I thought you were saying I was confirmed scum for not hammering when I had the chance to

Sorry. Having 50 posts in a row from mena accusing me of being scum for really bad reasons just made me assume you were talking about me for some reason

[eth0s]

i feel like you're reaction testing me or something

No, I'm just stupid

but I do want to hear your thoughts on... everything?

[eth0s]

but yeah disregard the instavote thing because that hinged on a whole tangent that I completely misinterpreted

[eth0s]

disregard as in know that I'm not going to do it, feel free to talk about it and why you think I would say that if you want.

[eth0s]

idk I need a break this game made me mad and now I feel dumb for assuming that post was about me when it clearly wasn't

[eth0s]

Like I cased volpe and tris didnt say shit

you case me and shes like "oh I didnt read this but lets lynch eth0s and I'm gonna end the day real quick lol"

"eth0s didn't hammer so he's scum but I also didn't hammer but I'm gonna do it now because I'm not scum lol"

like what the fuck

what kind of logic is me being scum for not hammering while there is a slot catchin up, I'm waiting for tris and saudade to actually talk about anything, but yet SHE CAN JUST BE "NOT READING THE GAME" AND AUTOMATICALLY IS SUPPOSED TO GET TOWNPOINTS FOR HAMMERING WHEN SHE DIDN'T FUCKING DO IT EARLIER EITHER

idc if mena is town I'm gonna let this game be on him because

tris

(probably still will tbh)

obviously

sit around and say nothing productive if she's scum and just wait for mena to vote me to hammer

so I'm just gonna instavote tris next phase because mena can have the win if he's scum.

I'm not gonna defend myself against such loose logic

especially when tris is gonna come in and say shit like "I didn't read the game but let's lynch eth0s for doing exactly what I did even though his reasoning for it is way better than mine!"

Like if tris is deepwolfing her stance on both of our cases is the biggest clue there because I think if shes scum she just feels comfortable now seeing the two of us just go after each other, saudade do jack shit, and now she feels 0 pressure

and can just platantly say shit like "lets lynch eth0s" without reading the game or interacting with anything

btw mena if you're actually town you should realize the likely reason that tris

(probably still will)

is just going to immediately

side with you is because you've left open the possibility of lynching her even less than I have

This is in regards to all of the stuff you said about me "working an angle on you" or not considering tris or whatever.

I'm obviously the lynch of least resistance somehow, and

scum!tris can't fake an organic progression to me being scum here, I don't think.

That's why it's easier to vote and accuse now and explain later (or not at all maybe)

[eth0s]

edited now that I know what tris meant

although I'm not sure this topic would've came up so soon if I hadn't misread in the first place

[eth0s]

From what I read last pages eth0s was town'ing it up against Elem and Saudade was like "who should I vote??", now he gets hammered and say that is quicklynching Elem tomorrow.

I can't see it other way than goon!Saudade/ Godfather!Elements here

They were getting PoE'ed by us therefore they made this theater.

I can be wrong but I don't think so

This still doesn't make any sense.

Like I know the slot has been replaced but there's no way the godfather would make that play. There's so many reasons that it is wrong. This line of thinking simply doesn't add up with Volpe's earlier logic

[eth0s]

scum!Volpe:

Sets a precedence of "anyone who quickhammers should in turn be powerlynched immediately"

Knows that Saudade is going to flip town

Disregards the fact that she believes a quickhammerer should expect to be powerlynched to project a fake gf read for said hammerer (and scummate, elements)

Probably suggests to him via PT to change votes to Saudade when he originally voted me

Lines up elements to be lynched next to keep suspicions off of her (because she supposedly thinks saudade is scum and elements is gf, so she has to be clueless, right?)

Bold = the slip in her logic
Italics = speculation on my part

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Now that's what I call "clearly been setting the game up a v certain way since D1", (-Mena, to me), what do you guys think?

I think mena can't map out a thought process of scum!mine that makes even remotely as much sense as this does from scum!volpe.

[eth0s]

saudade gun to your head what's the scummiest post so far?

its the guy who posted intent to hammer and nothing else at all

tbh if you're scum I'm speedlynching that slot probably

this is probably why volpe had to make such a shitty townread on me when she and elements decided ele was gonna hammer saudade

Saudade/eth0s look either SvS or TvT but not much likely SvT or TvS

Doesn't this imply that it's either me/elements or Saudade/ethos fypov?

yeah that's why I want to flip Saudade?

But I also am saying that/pushing that to see how people are gonna react therefore it's not only his flip but also how his wagon is gonna develop

i don't really see why one of them can't be scum without the other.

volpe never elaborates after 236

[eth0s]

See what I said about bad-faith?

Instead of engaging me on why

Saudade is just on aggro mode

tris engaged her. She still didn't explain it.

[eth0s]

saudade gun to your head what's the scummiest post so far?

its the guy who posted intent to hammer and nothing else at all

tbh if you're scum I'm speedlynching that slot probably

this is probably why volpe had to make such a shitty townread on me when she and elements decided ele was gonna hammer saudade

hahaahah I just noticed this

See what I said about bad-faith?

Instead of engaging me on why Saudade is just on aggro mode

Gun to my head he is godfather and to be honest regardless of Saudade flip eh0s reaction makes me lean town.

VOTE: Saudade

I think eth0s apparently completely ignoring my post is more makes him townier than tris to be fair

Idk

literally back to back posts

[eth0s]

From what I read last pages eth0s was town'ing it up against Elem and Saudade was like "who should I vote??", now he gets hammered and say that is quicklynching Elem tomorrow.

I can't see it other way than goon!Saudade/ Godfather!Elements here

They were getting PoE'ed by us therefore they made this theater.

I can be wrong but I don't think so

If saudade is town I think chances of Elem being GF are pretty good because I don't see that hammer coming from a goon too often

Like, he wasn't getting that much heat yet to hammer like that when if goon he would be expendable

/shrug

I think this game is won either way to be fair

wait what. so if saudade is town or scum.... that somehow makes elements GF here. And this is coming from the person advocating for powerlynching a quickhammerer... right

[eth0s]

Like why do I need a plan for post flip? It's an awkward question. Especially in this setup

If you have no thoughts whatsoever about what happens when one of them flips, you saying one of them should flip is an un-grounded statement and it's basically a random lynch. You're better then that. At this point we want the flip that gives us the most information whatever they are given if town they don't die until the next lynch so can help out. Just by saying you want one of them to flip implies you think they give the most information upon flipping, so why you'd deny this I don't know or understand.
VOTE: eth0s

I think my townlean on ethos was right

Saudade why would you unvote me here?

V/LA during next week.

Expect less activity although I feel a bit apathetic in this game.

Right now I'm pretty good with my TR on eth0s and somewhat ok with my town lean on tris

I'm fine with a lynch on any of the other two

This game needs some spice.
VOTE: saudade

yeah these 4 consecutive posts look very natural to me

[eth0s]

definitely no shenanigans going on there

[eth0s]

If you're town eth0s, we assume that it's goon!Elem, from my pov it can only be tris.

Do you think I've been less towny than tris?

I've not felt enthusiastic in this game

, it's slow and in hindsight too small, therefore my alignment may not be that clear for you, but I think you should reconsider that read considerably hard looking at my ISO

where? this is the most active poster at this point in the game LOL

[eth0s]

when I feel like I need to be town read no matter what I link you the game

my scum vs town play is really day/night

I think I don't need meta to be obvtown though

when does this happen

Last post.

If you want an example of when town!me and also replacing out because I felt unmotivated/disengaged in the game

I really can't keep up with slow games, I thought this was gonna be more marathon style. Sorry.

viewtopic.php?f=54&t=77564

I'm "Nibbui" in that game.

This is also very natural and makes sense to leave a "slow game" right as someone is trying to engage with you over many things. Totally normal behavior.

[eth0s]

@ethos how would you say your read has progressed on me after i interrogated you about?

You have been my weakest read the entire game. I still think there's a chance you're sitting back and letting the town destroy itself. I think that the way you approached hammering elements was very cautious and I don't really care for the fact that you were eager to ask questions at one point but not wanting to catch up with the game or engage saudade or anyone else before just laying the hammer down. Aside from what little of your meta I know (which is only from one game and you were scum) I felt the questioning and perceived motivation behind it this game seemed very similar to our last one.

The best "plan" I can find for scum!you is basically just sitting back during the majority of the arguments and trying to make it obvious that you don't really care what's being discussed (TSTBS I guess). And that kind of motivation I find comes from lazy/disengaged town a lot too.

Your interactions with elements don't look like they come from scummates if I recall correctly.

I think if volpe had made more obviously-town game progression then I would be much more skeptical of you due to PoE but I literally don't understand how volpe's play comes from town.

[eth0s]

I don't really have time to hard sort this tonight but I might tomorrow afternoon

good to see that your "yeah, I'm gonna go reevaluate the game" was literally just "I'm gonna go case your predecessor" eth0s

that's cool of u

This is a giant misrep and when you JUST replaced into the game and I already called who I thought the scumteam was before you even got in.... sorry about your luck but you took a scum slot.

[eth0s]

(especially focussing on volpe who can't explain herself and I can't explain for her)

I tried to get her to explain and she responded by replacing out.

[eth0s]

devaluing my presence in this thread

you came into this game tunneling me and shooting down everything I said

[eth0s]

I don't know how to get it through your head that you're being a hypocrite and/or replaced into a scum slot.

[eth0s]

I think town you would at least be thinking here but instead you're just gonna keep pushing me without even raising the possibility to yourself that tris could be deepwolfing here and letting a TvT blow up

I have literally never dismissed that idea once

huh okay I misread slightly I thought that you'd actually said you were gonna look at tris again but I think I just extrapolated from this

but honestly I find your continued tunnelling of my slot really fucking scummy

you say that you haven't dsimissed that idea but the way you're playing is showing that you pretty much have. you've obsessively focused on my slot and I don't think that's natural for town

I literally went on a half page tangent about tris and even when I realized I misinterpretted something I still pointed out possibilities that come from scum!tris.

If I was scum I wouldn't be pushing you so hard. Volpe "thought" I was town and therefore wanted tris by PoE. Tris agreed with that you were scum by PoE before you even replaced in. If I was scum I would be letting both of your slots fight with each other and I would feign uncertainty on who to lynch.

But the reality is I'm town and town!volpe absolutely fucked this game over by repping out without responding to my criticism, or scum!volpe pulled a really cheap and stupid tactic because she was playing like obvscum.

[eth0s]

Like I really don't know how to reason with you if you're just being this blatantly hypocritical and stubborn so there's a good chance I'll ignore you and prod dodge until tris comes back and gives input if you're just gonna continue to do what you've done all game

[eth0s]

"why are you tunneling me without looking at tris?"

continues to tunnel the hell out of me and throws down a vote before anyone can even read/respond

[eth0s]

like if you're actually town you need to remove that vote right now and engage me in some kind of conversation because that's a lot of wasted effort to lose to a quickhammer

[eth0s]

tris I swear to god if you're trolling just please don't

I want to effort but not if you're just fucking with me

[eth0s]

I'm gonna assume tris is not trolling which means whew. I'm glad you're not actually that stubborn and hypocritical as town, mena

[eth0s]

Like I said, you got a scum slot, it sucks. And you picked the wrong person to mislynch. Going to destroy your case while you're at the movies

[eth0s]

"there's also the matter of elements. he v conspicuously greets elements when he comes into the thread, and is SRing him for his entrance at 124. now, I'm not sure, but I think that elements wasn't generally particularly seen as scummy when he entered by most of the thread. it was specifically eth0s who called him out early, and even then it was in a kind of weird way. ("No one should particularly love me either since I have one real post and it revolves around tinfoil. So I'll give elements the benefit of the doubt since I don't really feel much to respond to either."

Earlier mena attacked me for apparently TMI'ing on elements by pushing him for something that didn't align with our last game where we were scum together (the fact that ele didn't engage volpe once this game). Part of the reason I even SRed ele to begin with is his entrance and lack of analyzing anything is the EXACT same way he played in our last game. While I don't think I ever stated this it's important.

"However I want him to keep true to 116 rather than just wait around to "be impressed" I guess you could say.

VOTE: elements")

tbh that reads like distancing to me. he's not really trying to get elements through, but he is on a super early vote there."

I wanted him to answer a question while I kept pressure applied. I really don't understand how that's scummy. On a lesser note why would I go from voting my scumbuddy to not voting for the rest of the phase? That would just be idiotic as scum. Which goes against what Mena thinks of my scumplay. In fact (and I know you and I apparently have differing playstyles here, tris) I haven't even voted at all since elements. I have been extremely cautious and wanted saudade to fucking do something useful both times he "died". In fact I wanted you to chime in too, tris.

"then regarding tris, immediately after this, he goes from "tris is my null read but my gut leans scum on that overall" (125) to "Disregard this completely. I thought this was similar to scum!tris play in micro 883 but it is actually like polar opposite I think.

For context that is my only game with her before this one (I think)" (126) and then to "She can be town for now too" (127)

I don't think this is organic. I think this is forced organic. I think probably he did have the thought about you being different between the two games, but I think the first was inserted to try and show that he had a sort of progression there --> from scum!tris to town!tris. I think town probably doesn't feel the need to actually put you in town here after realising their buzz is wrong. it's trying to make too much trajectory from too little information."

yeah. because me not checking my past game with tris beforehand is telling of my alignment...

"I actually think that 139 might be weird in terms of perspective too, actually? eth0s says "yeah, a townflip there means the hammerer is probably scum". so eth0s says that "If he and I are a team then why would I go through all of the trouble to explain why I don't think a quickhammerer would be his scummate there? If that were my angle I would have quickhammered him." only he couldn't quick hammer him bc he knew it was flipping town and was aware of how a town flip based on a super early quick hammer would look. so instead he ends up making the case that not quick hammering supports a world where he and saud aren't the team knowing that if saud does go down then he can use this to make him look townier."

lol

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little interjection here. Just look at all the times he says "this isn't that strong of a point but idk it's strong enough for me to completely tunnel him without analyzing tris the entire game"

1. "but I'm not putting as much weight in it as this is a smaller game."
2. "honestly, that's not one of the stronger things about eth0s but I think it's still prob worth mentioning. if you think it doesn't make sense then maybe I'm just confbiasing."
3. again, this isn't a major point and I don't think it's condemning of him, but I think it's interesting to look at how it fits into the pattern as a whole
4. again, I know this isn't gonna be the most persuasive thing in the world because it's entirely fmpov
5. I don't see it being beyond scum!eth0s' range to tell ele to ignore someone in the PT to try and create false associationals especially if the plan all along was bussing, but yeah, this one isn't as strong as I thought
6.

so about that scum range? yeah it needs work.

there's a lot of other examples with slights in context but these are the big examples where he has to remind you how weak his case is

anyway
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"also, I misremembered about elements' interactions from last game. I think it was TL that I was mixing him up with. so no, he doesn't particularly interact with his buddies more than other members of town."

lol

"then there's just some basic contradictions between posts like 277 and 330. this whole period is kind of telling. he doesn't demonstrate where his supposed SR on you went, almost like it never existed at all. he goes straight for 334 where he's calling volpe scum with ele and bussing, including using 335 as support for this theory when he should know that it's no good for proof considering that ignored several slots in MMRT when they were town and actually did interact with eth0s (albeit not loads). again, just check the ISO I linked for him and see for yourself. I don't find it plausible that eth0s would just forget this when that game was so recent."

This is actually a valid point. Luckily I only needed PoE on my side.

BTW look at this string of posts from volpe

From what I read last pages eth0s was town'ing it up against Elem and Saudade was like "who should I vote??", now he gets hammered and say that is quicklynching Elem tomorrow.

I can't see it other way than goon!Saudade/ Godfather!Elements here

They were getting PoE'ed by us therefore they made this theater.

I can be wrong but I don't think so

If saudade is town I think chances of Elem being GF are pretty good because I don't see that hammer coming from a goon too often

Like, he wasn't getting that much heat yet to hammer like that when if goon he would be expendable

/shrug

I think this game is won either way to be fair

I think the opposite. If saudade flips town I think volpe or tris is GF. Leaning volpe.

Goon absolutely makes that town!saudade hammer because it saves the GF from getting lynched the next day.

now why in the actual hell wouldn't scum!me just go along with her plan since she basically had just let me off the hook? Why would I push volpe so hard after this as scum if I could just help a town!her mislynch tris?

It was also blatantly obvious that the only reason volpe would assume the GF to be the quickhammerer (seriously she had been advocating for powerlynching a quickhammer all game) is because she is feigning ignorance for towncred. Like that's literally it. Point blank.

"then he completely forgets that he was skeptical of you (he still says he may have doubts but he never acts on them)"

again. This doesn't line up at all with how mena perceives my scumplay. He talks about how few mistakes I made in MMRT (a much longer and more complex game than this one) yet apparently I am just making blatant scummy mistakes all over the place this game? uh huh.

"posts after this are from when I'm in the game but eth0s literally doesn't care about giving me the time of day. despite his beliefs of there being a deep wolf he's so set on it being me/ele that his aim from the moment I join is to keep up his momentum against my slot. (374, 392)"

lol

"I honestly have no idea what tf is going on in his argument of 472. why in the world would I use the logic of my obviously about to be flipped scum buddy to try and get you lynched? that's just dumb af for me as scum and you trying to use that as a justification for "MENA IS SCUMCLAIMING" is just false as fuck"

yet that is actually exactly what he did

"I think I've already laid out a thought process for scum you that makes significantly more sense than this one (510), it's up to tris to decide which one she thinks is right bc I'm p sure you're just scum"

the fact that he just felt "confident" enough to immediately vote me without anyone engaging to this shit is actually beyond me

[eth0s]

I came in open minded but knowing that any of you had a 66% chance of being scum and reacted to your posts appropriately to that knowledge. you on the other hand have just tried to shade me nonstop throughout my play

** 66.66(repeating)%

[eth0s]

"my strength as a player is definitely knowing when someone is making a badly justified push on me"

try working on it the other way around

[eth0s]

but keep coming at me eth0s, I'm not just gonna lie down and let you mislynch me. if you think that this play EVER comes from scum!me or that it's even vaguely within my range then you're clearly talking shit. so either you should be rethinking your play because we're gonna lose as you can't read me at all or you're ignoring what's blatantly in front of you which is me being towny as hell because you need to be intentionally oblivious to how town I am because you're hoping my mislynch is gonna win you the game

all tris needs to do is decide which is more likely here

nice ate

[eth0s]

"I would lose absolutely nothing as scum here to just half arse it and go along with what volpe was pushing."

actually you might have won that way

[eth0s]

I don't think town!you honestly ever has the thought "oh, tris might be trolling me" when you were scum reading me independently of that

such a blatantly LAMIST post

VOTE: eth0s

tris if you're scum GG

if you want me to explain anything else from above, lmk

lol

[eth0s]

anyway that's about as much efforting as I am going to do.

If we are gonna play the game of who can come in and type out the most shit then mena can have the win. My case on volpe was 1/4 the size and 100% better. And I didn't have to excuse my thoughts with "I know this is weak but" multiple times

I really don't care for your style of scum, mena, but I get that it's shitty to come into an already losing slot.

[eth0s]

VOTE: menalque

[eth0s]

I'm gonna ISO eth0s first because I think from his entire reaction here he probably is scum and honestly eth0s if you're town and this is how you're choosing to deal with my slot (especially focussing on volpe who can't explain herself and I can't explain for her) then we prob deserve to lose

like I literally entered the game and you were going "oh sorry you're in a scumslot mena"

your entire behaviour has been geared towards getting me lynched or devaluing my presence in this thread rather than trying to sort me or let me have any impact in the game

yet he voted me before getting to tris

[eth0s]

Like I think I SR page 19 eth0s but I actually kind of TR page 20 Eth0s

Idk if I had to choose now I think tris is more likely town of the two of you

But yeah

I wanna read both your ISOs before I make a decision

I don't really have time to hard sort this tonight but I might tomorrow afternoon

good to see that your "yeah, I'm gonna go reevaluate the game" was literally just "I'm gonna go case your predecessor"

eth0s

that's cool of u

I'm gonna ISO eth0s first

because I think from his entire reaction here he probably is scum and honestly eth0s if you're town and this is how you're choosing to deal with my slot (especially focussing on volpe who can't explain herself and I can't explain for her) then we prob deserve to lose

like I literally entered the game and you were going "oh sorry you're in a scumslot mena"

your entire behaviour has been geared towards getting me lynched or devaluing my presence in this thread rather than trying to sort me or let me have any impact in the game

VOTE: eth0s

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tris if you're scum GG

if you want me to explain anything else from above, lmk

oops

[eth0s]

*insert AtE here*

[eth0s]

[eth0s]

tris can you just end this already please

[eth0s]

too much AtE, too much self meta, just trying too hard to appear town rather than make a case that makes sense

[eth0s]

[eth0s]

I'm not going to keep arguing just because he has a lot to say. I already explained the entire gameplan that Volpe had. Mena's case on me simply doesn't make sense.

He's fighting really hard, which is what someone should do in his position, but I just don't have the energy to keep writing out paragraphs to convince one person who is hardly posting.

The ball is in your court Tris.

[eth0s]

I'll say one more thing before I just start prod dodging until tris actually says something useful

I call out volpe, she quits the game, mena comes in and is mad that I'm scumreading him over the prior slot holder... when she played the entire game and I was able to find a very good explanation for her scummy actions.

Then he accuses me of not even considering tris as a lynch option, says something like "good to see eth0s' catchup was really just him tunneling me and ignoring tris", says HE is going to catch up on BOTH OF US, just ISO's me, ignores your slot, and VOTES ME BEFORE EVEN GETTING TO ISO YOU

That is blatant hypocrisy and if he was actually town that is concerned about me not considering both people for lynch then why would he DO EXACTLY WHAT HE JUST ACCUSED ME OF BUT ACTUALLY THROW A FUCKING VOTE DOWN?

Like I'm honestly done with this shit. Like I said it's on you tris

[eth0s]

It's not just the hypocrisy that is important. It's that you acted like what I did was scummy, then you did it. But you took it one step further by being so confident that you were right (when apparently I couldn't be, from your perspective) that you were willing to lay down a vote.

So I do something you find scummy, you do the same but take it one step further, and apparently that is supposed to make sense for town!you.

It doesn't.

[eth0s]

idk i really don't care anymore. This discussion is just in circles and tris and saudade haven't done anything this game. Seriously just fuckign hammer someone

[eth0s]

I already solved the game based on your prior slot. You tunneled me because you wanted to survive and thought tris would be easier to persuade than me.

Maybe you're right but originally I thought it would be easier for you to get me on tris than it would tris on me.

All of the "reality" AtE BS can just not be said though. The REALITY is that you are scum and you voted too fast and tris is probably going to give you a free win because apparently she's one of those that think scum won't come in and effort their ass off when they're backed into a corner.

[eth0s]

keep using self meta

[eth0s]

I don't even need to involve meta to realize that my case on volpe was right. Her reaction was terrible and incriminating, and you are playing this game using survival instinct and self meta because you can't make a case one me that makes sense.

[eth0s]

Tris' content has been so sparse and bad i just don't care anymore. She won't interact with anything and just suddenly jumps on the lynch eth0s train without even explaining a thing.

Replacing like volpe did is fucked and I'm mad that that is actually going to allow the slot to win when it absolutely shouldn't have. She couldn't combat my case so she left. idc this game sucks

[eth0s]

I don't even need to involve meta to realize that my case on volpe was right. Her reaction was terrible and incriminating, and you are playing this game using survival instinct and self meta because you can't make a case one me that makes sense.

If my case doesn’t make sense go back and have another try and rebutting it. Because I already dismantled your first effort.

actually you didn't. Your rebuttle was garbage but I'm done playing this fucked up game where the decider won't even do anything. take your free win this game is fucking stupid

[eth0s]

I'm not going to posts paragraphs of content to try and keep myself from being mislynched just because you're actually smart enough to come in here and effort your ass off as scum.

tris and saudade did nothing this game and had they done anything at all it would have been an easy town win. Now I'm leaving it at that and legitimately prod dodging until game end

[eth0s]

god dammit mena wp

[eth0s]

and gj tris

[eth0s]

In hindsight disgusting tactical replacement by volpe

yeah this is the main reason I was so frustrated. I knew my case was solid and she just left with very poor reasoning.

saudade and tris, sorry for being an ass but this game got to me

mena too, but I think our arguments were more in the spirit of the game esp once you voted me and I knew I was right lol