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I don't think your foot hand is hideous Hoctac. But I am going to have to eventually lynch you for identity theft.
What do you think about Dkkoba and Holden?
DkKoba seems cool and very capable of using spreadsheets! However, I did find it odd how they keep avoiding using colour in MS Paint, as if they want to make it harder to view their setup spec.
Holden seems quite skilled. He was able to deduce I was town simply from the emojis I posted alone! I would love to learn that kind of power some day.
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Post #141 (isolation #18) » Tue May 19, 2020 5:08 pm
Postby Hoctac »
In post 138, HoldenGolden wrote:Given your typing style, its not hard to deduce who you really are lol.
What do you mean? Are you referring to my MBTI personality type? I'm quite new to these kind of killing games, so I'm hoping to learn from and grow with everyone here!
In post 119, Hoctac wrote:Holden, could I ask why you use "->" rather than ">" or bullet points which can be accessed using BBcode? I found your choice peculiar.
First off, do I look like a programmer? bbcode is too much work and I can't be arsed to actually learn how to use it. I probably will never host my devious bastard games like "Mod's Are Vig's" where everyone kisses the Mods' asses trying not to get vig because I do not know how to format VCs.
Okay, I believe you! After briefly checking your meta, I can verify you haven't modded any games.
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Post #160 (isolation #22) » Tue May 19, 2020 8:53 pm
Postby Hoctac »
I'm not sure, I'm still getting my bearings in this game. Some people seem very friendly but I'm not sure if being friendly makes someone town or mafia.
Also, I liked the person who made the first push against Night 3 Roses. For making the push itself; I think it was productive and useful of them!
@CJ (is that okay?) are you still scum reading Holden? Why/why not? What's your goal with this wagon hoping? Your votes (or unmoved votes) look opportunistic.
Also, Clidd has yet to make an appearance, is that normal for them?
And where has Enomis gone?
To answer your first question, I wanted to move it from you!
The second question isn't directed at me, so I won't answer it.
I'm not sure. I think he's usually more engaged by this point but I haven't checked his meta to answer this question.
In post 170, Hoctac wrote:To answer your first question, I wanted to move it from you!
Do you like to move your vote around? Does it help form reads? Or do you mean you're town reading me?
Yes, I think I do like moving my vote around.
You've been asking game progressing questions, so I don't believe you're in need of pressure. ceejay hasn't had an independent thought yet, so I believe he could do with some!
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Post #198 (isolation #25) » Wed May 20, 2020 1:43 pm
Postby Hoctac »
Datisi, is there a reason you unvote before placing your vote on ceejay? If the reason is to show us you were voting for someone prior, I do not understand the logic as you did not include the person's name with the unvote. Strange.
In post 198, Hoctac wrote:Datisi, is there a reason you unvote before placing your vote on ceejay? If the reason is to show us you were voting for someone prior, I do not understand the logic as you did not include the person's name with the unvote. Strange.
my previous post was talking about RVS votes, in which i said my vote was one of them, and it got clidd to respond to me with a Sherlock gif? s'there a point to this?
-D
Ah, I did not realise clidd had responded with a Sherlock gif. Is there a reason you unvote before voting in the same post?
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Post #209 (isolation #28) » Thu May 21, 2020 4:31 am
Postby Hoctac »
In post 203, Kilgamayan wrote:@Hoctac: Is there a reason you ask questions about matters that aren't alignment-indicative in ways that seem to imply you think they are? I am thinking of 74, 119, and the recent 198 in particular. You have an awful lot of fluff as well. I genuinely can't tell if your play/post style is some sort of social experiment (particularly since my question about your potential alt-account-ness wasn't addressed) or if this is actually how you play, and it's throwing my ability to read your slot.
In post 190, clidd wrote:
I am fatigued recently by the number of games I am currently playing, so I’ll probably be more passive here. No essay this time.
I think clidd is town. Have a feeling clidd won't be passive if this is a scum game. Just a feeling~
This seems a little confident a conclusion to draw from that alone! Are you basing this on the meta of 1 game, and have you considered the fact clidd is simply feeling fatigued, and thus wants to put in less effort regardless of alignment?
For a pillow push and changing their warrant once questioned.
Why? I am assuming this is serious.
Happy to explain! They pushed Holden for "too much WIFOM". Once their reasoning was questioned, they altered their original grounds to be that "they were reaction testing". Flailing is not good.
Additionally, they implied they disliked Holden's defensiveness, yet switched their vote to me too quickly, indicating they were unhappy with pursuing that push since it was drawing questions into their alignment and motives.
To be clear, is Hoctac actually an alt of a regular player?
He is not an outed alt. His posting style and MBTI type (this isnt a joke; the person I think he is slipped his MBTI type) matches another player to the wire. Basically I'm 99% sure he is an alt of that person.
He isnt playing that much different from his regular playstyle so I dont get much purpose of the alt if he is who I think he is.
Look, if you're going to make it this obvious, Holden, I may as well come out and just say it.
In post 198, Hoctac wrote:Datisi, is there a reason you unvote before placing your vote on ceejay? If the reason is to show us you were voting for someone prior, I do not understand the logic as you did not include the person's name with the unvote. Strange.
my previous post was talking about RVS votes, in which i said my vote was one of them, and it got clidd to respond to me with a Sherlock gif? s'there a point to this?
-D
Ah, I did not realise clidd had responded with a Sherlock gif. Is there a reason you unvote before voting in the same post?
because i said "
it
has served its purpose now" referring to my current vote? if you're expecting a profound thought behind it, i'm gonna have to disappoint you.
~
In post 203, Kilgamayan wrote:Man, my mind short-circuited for a moment there because I completely forgot that Holmes and Moriarty are actual characters that have appeared in many different mediums and not just a hot dude and a foxy grandpa from everyone's favorite cell phone game.
from the what
In post 203, Kilgamayan wrote:@Night 3 Roses: I think the post volume difference does matter in that a higher post volume comes across as an active attempt to look good whereas the lower post volume does not. To be sure, not contributing is generally a scummy thing, but I am more wary of someone that's actively trying to look good without actually contributing than someone's that not trying to look good while also not actually contributing.
I will admit I assumed you (or your slot, or whatever term is appropriate) didn't like ceejay or myself not because of any scumhunting justification, but simply because we're voting for you. Aside from Hoctac being unhappy with ceejay for not being original, no one else has seemed to have a problem with the nature of the pressure being applied to you, so I figured it was a safe assumption. I've seen so many players over the years do it, so.
you're assuming i'm trying to look good. i'm well aware of what "active lurking" is. i was posting because i felt like posting, and at the time what i felt like "actually contributing" either a thing that could've been ai was already dismissed as non-ai, or my question got ignored.
i can tell (or at least i like to believe i can...) the difference between good votes and bad votes on my slot, simply disliking/scumreading someone because they dare vote against me would be silly. i think your arguments are bad but they seem to be genuine. (un)fortunately ico is currently having some sorta holiday so i can't exactly bug him right now to ask what he thinks.
In post 203, Kilgamayan wrote:(particularly since my question about your potential alt-account-ness wasn't addressed)
are you saying it wasn't addressed by hoctac or did you miss the second part of 165?
-D
I like the
"your reasons for suspecting me look bad, but I think you're town"
mentality. It's the kind of thing that I find myself applying in every game as town.
I feel that a scum mentality is more inclined to apply omgus in this situation on the pretext that the accuser is acting in bad faith.
I disagree with this, clidd. Anti-OMGUS is actually a slight scumtell, though context is king of course. However, I am pleased to hear that you refrain from exhibiting OMGUS as town.
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Post #247 (isolation #35) » Thu May 21, 2020 11:54 am
Postby Hoctac »
In post 244, clidd wrote:Hoctac, is DkKoba's aggressive/provocative playstyle influencing your read about him ? Or should I consider this indifferent to your argument on post 214 ?
Not at all. The emotion/aggression I am factoring as utterly NAI.
In post 160, Hoctac wrote:I'm not sure, I'm still getting my bearings in this game. Some people seem very friendly but I'm not sure if being friendly makes someone town or mafia.
Also, I liked the person who made the first push against Night 3 Roses. For making the push itself; I think it was productive and useful of them!
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Post #499 (isolation #41) » Tue May 26, 2020 9:26 am
Postby Hoctac »
In post 267, Kilgamayan wrote:This is a mind-boggling statement to make in combination with not addressing the second half of the final paragraph I wrote in 215.
As I mentioned before, the timing of my vote was when I reread the game and tried to form better opinions, and noticed the progression by DkKoba that I highlighted there!
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Post #501 (isolation #43) » Tue May 26, 2020 9:33 am
Postby Hoctac »
In post 295, enomis wrote:I ditto Kilga's point on this. What specifically triggered you to vote at this point?
DkKoba unvoted at post 207.
But you posted 2 post with questions to other people before voting DkKoba at post 208
I've answered this but I'd also like to ask:
What is my scum motive for coming up with an OMGUS the very post after someone votes me? It's very little as it will be immediately noticed and suspected by everyone - as it has been here. The simple solution is that my vote infact has nothing to do with his vote specifically on
In post 309, DkKoba wrote:wait nvm i see the -D i need to STOP SKIMMING
Being honest, its Datisi in that hydra which makes my brain just stop reading his posts due to the consistency he has rolled PR in all games I've been in with him. My brain is just conditioned at this point to accept Datisi as town and not actually scum hunt them.
Trying to break that notion this game has been...difficult.
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Post #508 (isolation #49) » Tue May 26, 2020 10:09 am
Postby Hoctac »
In post 464, Kilgamayan wrote:Can you give an example of how you would vote given Hoctac does a certain thing? Something like "If Hoctac's response does A B C I would then vote X Y Z".
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Post #510 (isolation #51) » Tue May 26, 2020 10:19 am
Postby Hoctac »
Okay, I've sobered up now.
I disagree with the reasons for Kilga's initial push on DkKoba but I think the timing of it - doing it while knowing Koba was drunk is actually town-indicative, because it's just more likely Koba would townspew and OMGUS Tux in that state.
Less sure about Koba. Hard to distinguish between my read on their playstyle with my read on their alignment, but I think their alignment will become clearer over time.
Ico, could I have permission to move my vote to- actually let me check.
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Post #513 (isolation #54) » Tue May 26, 2020 10:26 am
Postby Hoctac »
Ico, the answer to most of your questions is playstyle choice. Why I townread Holden: I've liked and/or agreed with his thoughts and the way he interacted with DkKoba was good early game.