Micro 45 - Artemis Fowl Game Over

[absta101]

VOTE: Shos

[absta101]

Kmd, do I have your support?

[absta101]

holy hell guys why am I in L-2

Guess.

[absta101]

absta, thoughts on prohawk?

VOTE: Shamrock
Haven't looked at him yet.

Pro, you should vote Shamrock.

[absta101]

Oh, BTW, there is an option when you log in that lets you hide you from the online list (I use it).

I think everyone should use this.

[absta101]

Absta, shamrock is town.

Not liking this. Wait, we'll see.

[absta101]

My read on Hawk is simple. He's an easy target town.

My scum read on Shamrock is due to post #37, his shitty reaction to my vote on him and largely meta which I can't discuss atm.
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VOTE: Shos
I'm also fine with lynching GNR. I know he plays like this as scum.

[absta101]

Absta, do you mean lurking for guy's scum meta? I've seen him lynched for it as town.

Mala, no. Confirmation is mostly just when a player is online. Only exception is if scum can talk during confirmations. Even then, most don't take that opportunity.

I can't explain, but it's not that.
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What type of roles can this game have?

[absta101]

Fos: Robo

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All robo said is that town players exist, which I don't see how that's strange.

Yeah, that's the problem. He's been away for a while and when he finally joins, he posts complete shit (no scum hunting).

[absta101]

Well I know for sure that this game has town roles.

So theres that.

What was the point of this Robo?

[absta101]

@Shamrock
What do you think of Robo?

[absta101]

UNVOTE:
I'm getting a hard scum read on Robo.
I'm gonna reread and hopefully come to a decision.

[absta101]

UNVOTE:
Not finished reading yet.

[absta101]

As of now, shos isn't the lynch for today.
VOTE: GNR
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@Mehdi

- Please provide a link of the game you were in with Mala.
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@Prohawk

- Post walls if you feel like it. More text = more substance to work with.

[absta101]

Mala stop talking bs please.

Kmd could easily be scum as well.

[absta101]

Trying to deflect sus off Shos?

I assume you've done reading. Who would you like lynched today and why?

[absta101]

I sensed confirmation bias in my judgment so I reread, exploring other possibilities.

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Shamrock I think you're scum for your opportunistic jump on Hawk and post #37. Can you explain post #37 for now?

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Also FTR ProHawk was just looking at the thread and then left without posting anything

What was the town motivation for posting this?
It looks like a cheap way to put suspicion on someone.

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I thought it was worth noting?

I know I've deliberately dodged the thread as scum before when under attack.

Are you asking me or telling me?

Can you sum up your reasons for voting Hawk please.

[absta101]

Do you have a second scum read?

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Also, what is really off about you is your lack of scum reads on anyone else aside from the fact that there has been plenty of scummy behavior floating around.

I agree with this.

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No, I haven't started rereading yet. I'm doing my take home essay and then I will.

I seriously doubt you joined this game with work that's preventing you from playing.

When do you expect to be caught up?

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By "preventing you from playing", i'm referring to the 4 posts of complete stalling bs.

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GNR does this as scum. If he replaces out, i'll remove my vote.

@Robo

Pro/Robo team huh, man you are so pro

This sounds like you're insulting town yet Shos is your "scum read".

[absta101]

Tis what I do. I vote jump a lot.

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

[absta101]

All those games came before FoF...
I'm not trying to prove myself town, merely show my playstyle is null.

[absta101]

Don't lynch GNR untill he talks.

@Kmd - I'll support the Mala waggon should you start one.

[absta101]

Shos - Mala scumteam

Add in the fact that Mala has only placed mild suspicion on shos but opted to vote absta instead and I think we got ourselves a nice little connection.

Lets start with shos, imo

PEDIT: OOOOOOOOOOOOO BURN

Lining up lynches, nice!
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@Kmd - Mehdi.

[absta101]

I don't fully disagree with the Shos waggon but i'm not going to vote him.
@Shos - Don't claim unless someone intends to hammer.

[absta101]

Mehdi is no longer a town read.

Shamrock is still scum.

Robo looks town.

[absta101]

Your meta research on Shos suggests he isn't scum this game no?

- Shamrock's been tunnelling Hawk all day and lightly defending Shos. Now, near the end, he jumps on the Shos waggon (just as a sheep) disregarding everything he "had" on Hawk as "probably wrong".
- His play here is different to the town play i've seen of him.
- etc.

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Yup, but overall shos is still one of the most scummy players based quite a bit on PoE. I also like the other people found on this wagon.

Yeah, this doesn't help you. PoE is non-existent this early and thus can't be used to call Shos scum.
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@Shos - Who do you think is scum on your waggon?

[absta101]

"I haven't looked at him yet". Think about who I was referring to, consider what I quoted as well.

Hint: I was referring to Hawk.

[absta101]

I feel like quick hammering due to post #255.

Why do you think i'm town and Shamrock is scum (other than the fact that i've been defending you slightly)?

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I've also used it as scum in I think all of my scum games. It's just null and shows how I like to play.

How many scum games have you been in?

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We should probably lynch at this stage. I'll support a lynch of Shamrock or Mala today.
VOTE: Shamrock

[absta101]

Shos claim.

[absta101]

VOTE: Shos
That's a lynch -1.

Shamrock, vote him.

[absta101]

No. Explain why you switched your vote from GNR to shos.

So you were fine with me asking Shos to claim?

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@Kmd

Shamrock is obvtown because what scum player would go after someone for switching their vote from them to someone else like that.

Scum that wants to look "obvtown". Why wouldn't scum do that?
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@Shamrock

- My bad.
I don't believe his claim.
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@Shos

- Claim properly, who are you?

[absta101]

Like seriously I expressed confusion about your asking shos to claim literally FIVE POSTS ABOVE YOURS, what the fuck was that question?

You could have said "Shos, don't claim!", yet you didn't. You were okay with Shos claiming.

[absta101]

Why did you ask him to claim???

^ What is so hard about answering this question?

1. He asked me if I wanted him to claim.
2. I was expecting a refusal to claim at 2 votes.
3. Reaction fishing.

[absta101]

OMG Shamrock you're so FUCKING SCUM!

VOTE: Shamrock
Suck IT!

[absta101]

So you asked someone you didn't think was scum to claim.

You asked someone. YOU DIDN'T THINK WAS SCUM. To claim.

He claimed.

And NOW suddenly you think he's scum?

VOTE: absta101

Seriously though, you're gonna have to explain the scum motivation behind what I did.
Why is me thinking Shos is scum, scummy?

Also, respond to post #307.

Trying to push a lynch on me is futile but try your best!

[absta101]

absta, you asked someone you thought was town to claim

I don't remember calling him town.

and voted him without an explanation.

There's an explanation.

[absta101]

Okay, but you were soft-defending him and you certainly weren't calling him scum. And you gave no explanation for voting him at the time, and when pushed, the only explanation you gave was that you didn't believe his claim. What don't you believe about it?

310 is obvfake

This whole post sucks. I'll explain everything later. I gotta run.

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@Shamrock

Okay, but you were soft-defending him and

you certainly weren't calling him scum

. And you gave no explanation for voting him at the time, and when pushed, the only explanation you gave was that you didn't believe his claim. What don't you believe about it?

1. The bolded is an outright lie.
2. Not giving an explanation "at the time" is scummy? Explain.

absta, you asked someone you thought was town to claim as a "reaction test" when he was at L-3 and then, when he claimed VT, you suddenly decided he was scum after all and voted him without an explanation.

I think you're choosing to "misunderstand" me. I was reaction fishing to see if anyone would take an opportunistic jump on me after I asked Shos to claim. I did NOT expect him to claim and I think he knew he wasn't L-1.

Zero percent of that makes sense from a town perspective.

Nor does it from a scum perspective it seems? I asked for scum motivation, answer me directly.
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@Shos

- The reason I don't believe your claim is because it doesn't fit your behaviour this game. I believe your vote on me is survivalistic. PRs and scum are survivalistic.
VOTE: Shos
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@Everyone

- I'm not for forcing another claim unless it's from Shamrock. Sho dies today.

[absta101]

VOTE: shos

Aside from the slew of scummy posts, his reveal directly conflicts information I have in my role. I will have to defer to you all on if this evidence has any merit as I am not experienced enough to know if we can base conflicting flavor as being a made up role reveal.

Keep your info hidden for now. I believe your town.

[absta101]

you're*

[absta101]

what.?
I want prohawk to reveal the flavor info that he has in his role immediately. I'm not taking a bullet like that based on a 'trust me'. that's just stupid.

if there's a cop, cop absta.
if there's a tracker, track kmd.
if there's a doc or a watcher - prohawk.
if absta survives the night, burn him tomorrow like gunpowder.

you guys have bullied the shit out of me this entire game with freakin no reason, no reason at all. end of AtE, off I go to other games.

pedit:
Chaos, opinion on absta and prohawk please.

Directing PRs is scummy.

[absta101]

Respond to everything I said properly.

[absta101]

hmm. Would the mod give Shos a faulty fake claim???
Would scum Prohawk CC town Shos? No.
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absta, I will answer your terrible scumquestions if you tell me why you didn't believe shos's claim.

1. The very fact that he claimed even though the VC was just above me.
2. His playstyle fits PR more than VT IMO.

[absta101]

Ugh. I keep forgetting about this game. Promise you ill do better!

-**- soft claim alert: I have an awesome PR, give me a chance to use it.
Don't make me claim til Day 2 <3 -**-

Wtf is this. What makes you think you're in danger?

[absta101]

K well seems I'm doomed. when I die, do *NOT* kill prohawk, kill absta. and take into consideration that flavor should NOT matter in this game.

abstascum.
prohawktown.

You're just adding more WIFOM to your scum flip. What makes you think Hawk will die?

Someone lynch this scum already.

[absta101]

How do you know town can NK? Obvious scum message (using "kill" instead of "lynch").

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Also, Shos scum = Shamrock scum.

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Shamrock:
- Defending Shos from Robo.
- Jumping on Shos's waggon by way of sheeping when his lynch looked inevitable.
- Jumping on my waggon as an alternative (chainsaw defence).
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P-Edit: If you flip town i'll be looking at Robo/Kmd.

[absta101]

AAAAAAAaaaand back on computer.

I'm gonna lol at him calling kmd inexperienced xD

look guys, this is page 1, I never expected to find so much content, but I'm getting the feeling that Mehdi is newbtown. clearly isn't so experienced, page one of Day one and already trying to think. slight scumread on prohawk for actually getting a read on kmd from that sole vote. you said that he was 'quick to lay blame'? he posted just one post, which has obviously been a part of RVS no matter what he claims, and for IT you think he's scummy? *that* is quick to lay blame. what YOU did, not what HE did.

UNVOTE: Shamrock
VOTE: ProHawk

Just as extra evidence for the Shos - Shamrock connection.

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Shos was not voting Shamrock prior to the quote.

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@Shamrock

absta why are you trying to tie me to a guy who hasn't even flipped, it's almost like you know his alignment already, hm

Because i'm confident that you're scum and you'd kill me. Nobody else suspects you.
Also, you know my scum play. You don't honestly believe i'd make a mistake like this as scum.
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@Kmd

Actually everything after that looks like Shosbuddy. And Shos' "kill absta" looks like distancing just before death.

This is Shos's WIFOM. Stop thinking that Shos-scum is an idiot. Newb scum distance near death, others don't mention their partners because it's too risky.

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I'm not calling you a newb but thank you for confirming yourself scum.

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When you get back, answer these:
- What makes you think Hawk will die?
- Why did you use the word "kill" instead of "lynch"?
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@Shamrock

I'd still rather lynch absta,

but I'm fine with a shos hammer at this point.

Based on what?

not sure what to make of this claim business, will return later

When do we get your opinion on this business then?
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@Everyone

- Deadline is

tomorrow!

. Lynch him already.

[absta101]

VOTE: Hawk

[absta101]

Ugh, i've been spaming lately...
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@Chaos - Why are you voting Hawk?

[absta101]

I was sheep voting for pressure, that's it. Hawk CCd town, that's enough to remove his town read.
I still think scum is in Shamrock/Mala.
UNVOTE:
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@Mala

- It's Day 2 so tell us about your "PR".

[absta101]

I thought you were sure I was scum because I was shos's buddy?

I thought you was scum before the Shos incident.
Look back for the reasons provided earlier.

[absta101]

Need to see more of Chaos, Kmd, Mala.

[absta101]

The scum either smelt a trap there which I'll admit I tried planting or they see me as an easy lynch in D2.

I was going to come out and say your gambit was completely transparent. I believe your claim though.
VOTE: Chaos

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UNVOTE:
I want to see this through.

[absta101]

VOTE: Robo

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I'll place a vote whenever the VC comes up.

How can something I say make you want CO dead more than myself? Such bs.

[absta101]

VOTE: Robo

You're cute.

The VC is up so just ask if you're stuck on how to vote.

[absta101]

You were implying you thought me and CO were scum together, no? If not explain how CO is more scummy for what I said.

[absta101]

Did you even read post #455 when you quoted it?
UNVOTE:

[absta101]

How about the fact that you were willing to stand on the sidelines

you've called pretty much everybody here scum.

Can you elaborate on why you think i'm scum please.

[absta101]

#451 and #452 is a very interesting exchange. Robo stated in #450 that he wanted Absta dead, #451 was a wait until count to vote, #452 was an Absta vote on Robo.
Very strategic move by Absta to avoid being placed at L-1 by Robo as it seemed to effectively deter Robo from following through with his threat in an attempt to avoid looking like he was retaliating the attack.
I am going to lean towards Absta being scum for the pre-emptive attack.

It was a misunderstanding on my part. If you actually read what happened you would've seen that I thought Robo was calling CO scum.
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Claim or die.

If there isn't a claim in your next post, then I am going to hammer you.

Don't hammer.

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Oh no.

I thought absta must've been in the process of making a post, then i posted. then he posted his with a slight edit at the bottom asking me not to hammer yet. I am merciful enough to allow that to slide.

No I'm not joking.

Unless someone unvotes, then I will kill absta if his next post doesn't contain a claim.

Try me. It isn't an empty threat.

Probably should put a time limit on it too, so that he doesn't just wait it out.

I'm not scum.
This town is PL'ing me with 3 misslynches left? Fuck that.

[absta101]

My play makes no sense from a scum perspective.

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VOTE: Kmd

[absta101]

I'm a thief.

[absta101]

Mulch Diggums.

[absta101]

I can't even think of a way to possibly stretch this as being a policy lynch.

How doesn't it make sense for scum to mindlessly jump every wagon they can trying to get anybody but themselves lynched? And then not claim at L-1.

You. Are. Scum.

Die.

Wow. That's such bs. Vote jumping brings massive attention to yourself.
"trying to get anyone lynched"... Explain how voting people with no votes and coming off a growing waggon achieves that.

[absta101]

VT

[absta101]

I can steal the mods powers if I live till Day 3.

[absta101]

Don't fucking policy lynch me.
Robo and Shamrock have got all of you fucked. GG no Re.

[absta101]

Gj town. GG scum.