Micro 71: Lucid Dreamers - Night 4

[Mist7676]

WAGON NO

[Mist7676]

@Mist: Why not? Also, do you have anything more substantial to add?

I think early wagons seem to crash and burn.

Nope....

More talk from Piggy, Pro, Mist and Siv, please. Any reads so far? Thoughts on the Emp wagon?[/quote
No reads, And as I said early wagons are not smart.

The way I would

like

to play is we sit down, pitch a few ideas, get to know each other over a spot of tea, and then start explaining why the other person is a dumb scum who deserves to be burnt at stake. The empking wagon was started over RVS which leads to discussion, ultimately doesn't lead to a lynch.

[Mist7676]

I like your way of inciting discussion. I'll bite

Well, making my posts I thought of how my opposition would sound to emp's lynch, but I didn't think much of it. On the ideas part, maybe we can organize actions, one person jails another, two people become lovers, or maybe a cop check. Those kind of ideas.

Zoig seems like a sacraficial-scum. He wants votes so he can leave his partner in the dark? That is what I see from his post of qwints switching. But it is also understandable from any pro-town player, a vote without reasoning is scummy in any way. In "pinky's reads" I wouldn't consider them as reads. Maybe like FoS, or the opposite, because it is just a few people she seems to think is town by their posting style.

@Pinky, what about their posts shout town to you?

[Mist7676]

Um, I can't really tell much.

Piggy has a eensy weensy townread from me, so can't take that wagon.

Don't really support the whole empking wagon.

VOTE: Mist7676

For trying to derail a wagon that could have gotten us information. Sure it will crash and burn, but it's already going so maybe stop trying to crash it?

I think I'm developing a dislike for catchup posts...

But if you are voting me, aren't you already derailing the wagon?

[Mist7676]

Um, I can't really tell much.

Piggy has a eensy weensy townread from me, so can't take that wagon.

Don't really support the whole empking wagon.

VOTE: Mist7676

For trying to derail a wagon that could have gotten us information. Sure it will crash and burn, but it's already going so maybe stop trying to crash it?

I think I'm developing a dislike for catchup posts...

But if you are voting me, aren't you already derailing the wagon?

You're suggesting he should put Empking at L-1 on the 4th page?

Did I say he had to vote Empking?

[Mist7676]

Did I say he had to vote Empking?

Who were you suggesting he vote for, then? Piggy?

Seriously? I am not telling him to vote anyone, he can vote for whoever he wants for I just pointed out a quirk in his statement. Stop trying to throw mud at my by stretching the truth.

[Mist7676]

Thanks ProHawk. I guess in my frustration, I didn't get my clear point across.

When I said,

But if you are voting me, aren't you already derailing the wagon?

I meant to point out he is derailing a wagon (Piggy's and Empking's already dead one) by voting me. Of course, I didn't mean it as "Get your vote off me!" So, it was just a remark.

[Mist7676]

Simple Terms:

[Mist7676]

I can see why, Piggy isn't playing seriously, list HIGHEST scum read, yet doesn't vote him, and I can see your gun in that back-pocket of yours.

[Mist7676]

Well piggy, I can dream up a gun can't I?

[Mist7676]

Instead of planning, we COULD do the neighboring thing, make sure you have daychat, or maybe lovers, where if one dies the other does? Yeah... I don't come up with good plans...

Scumhuntning during the day is a given, and I think I can see a few blips on my scum radar. Piggy seems to me as an opportunistic scum. She is always up for voting whoever has some suspision on them. And Zoid is very quick to assume scum slips, or tells. These 2 are the highest on my radar, but Piggy is above Zoid. I am up for lynching her today but I won't vote seeing as L-1 has been going around.

[Mist7676]

Wow, your "ninja" edits do take quite awhile...

[Mist7676]

Oh so we are doing reads now?

I enjoy seeing myself on everyone's null leaning scum list [/sarcasm]

Well I will do the reads after I read up a bit. Maybe tonight, maybe not, but I will get this done

[Mist7676]

Well As I Promised

-~-Scum-~-

PiggyGal15 - I don't like her play, but she claims she doesn't play well on Day 1. Still, I don't want to take this chance. Also she is very opportunistic. Whenever someone gets a vote she is the next to hop on.

Zoidberg - Very quick to call scum play.

-~-Null-~-

Siveure DtTrikyp - Like Zoid he also calls normal actions scum tells, but his seem more accidental. Null Leaning Scum

screamlampost - I find it difficult to read Hydra's during the first days or so. Maybe when they get more collected they will be higher on my town lists, because their play seems genuine. Null Leaning Town

Empking - Haven't been able to get a read yet, but I don't think this slot is scum.

-~-Town-~-

ProHawk - Genuine play and seems as if he is actually looking for the baddies.

qwints - Play seems good, but has been vote-hopping a bit. What really strikes me is that he says, WAGON HO, when he voted Empking which made me think it was still an RVS vote, but then he claims he actually thinks Empking is scum.

Mitillos - Play seems very town sided, and he activaly scum hunts. Is it he awesome town, or just great scum?

I hope my reads please you, and if they don't meh, opinions are opinions.

[Mist7676]

Mist, how come you aren't voting?

The reason I was not voting, is because I was assuming Piggy was still at L-1 and I didn't want to make a rash decision, I would n't have this confusion if we could have periodic Vote Counts...

@Mod: Can we get a VC?

@Mist: Your reads are generally quite pleasant. However, there's a few things I wanted to ask. 1) Where did Piggy hop on as soon as someone got a vote? She voted me in RVS and later voted Siv, several pages after he got a vote. And she had made several posts in between, so I'm not sure where you got that impression. Also, as Zoid said, why aren't you voting for anyone? You've made your reads, you have some people as scum, how can we believe that you are honest about your reads, if you don't vote accordingly? And if you think that I could be either "awesome town" or "great scum", shouldn't I be a null read? Saying that, could be taken as trying to set up for a possible future mislynch.

You seem like really good town and you are actively participating, I meant this in the way that, you are a very great player which means you could be a scum player who knows how to hide the fact you are scum. Basically I am saying you are a great player and a really active towny.

Also, since I am against coordinating our night actions, and I have already seen a consensus in the voting,

Vote: Piggy

Last note: Yes, I know I just contradicted myself in one post by voting Piggy, but the reason I didn't vote before, was because I didn't know if the town was ready to go into our night/day phase.

Sleep Well

[Mist7676]

Night time would be the time where we can pause the game so we can give the replacee time to read up, or if the lurkers come back, they can finish their "life duties" during the nighttime and submit 1 PM and help move the game forward.

[Mist7676]

Zoid, why announce intent to hammer in this sort of game?

I don't understand the question.

I think it's basically saying that the only reason for intent to hammer is to get a claim from the about to be hammered person, not everyone else.

Also, please, if anyone wants to vig mist for that, let's not make it two or three of us. Does anyone want to claim responsibility to do it?

And why are we going to be vigging me tonight?

[Mist7676]

O.o why me?

And I am the one that gave Siv he post restriction. Every third post he makes he has to claim scum.

I assumed, if he is scum, he would do it in such a cautious way it doesn't seem real, but he is outright saying he is scum, I believe he is town.

[Mist7676]

And I am the one that gave Siv he post restriction. Every third post he makes he has to claim scum.

...

I dd not expect someone to claim that.

Surprise?

[Mist7676]

T-Bone already said it was just mistaking one person's name for another.

I actually suspected this, oddly enough.

And my post restriction went like this.
"Place post restriction on Siv, every third post, he must claim scum."

And I honestly don't know what would be a "clever" way of hiding it, I was hoping to just spot it, since I would be the only one to know of his Post Restriction.

What is really odd was that Scream and Zoid both targetted each other. I'll let it slide as a coincidence, but I still have my eye on this...

[Mist7676]

Checking back it wasn't "claim scum" He just has to post "I admit I am scum."

God Siv, it is just a paraphrase, it doesn't have to be

To the T

[Mist7676]

Well, I wanted to see how he took the PR.
He just says it outright, which makes me believe He is town.

[Mist7676]

Ok, I admit my action was not well thought out, but when you throw a trigger-happy person into a Lucid Dreamers... Be glad I didn't shoot anyone. I was contemplating about giving myself a dayvig, but I didn't want to seem "anti-town" (queue people saying, "Only scum think about how their actions will be viewed")

And qwints, in this quote,

@qwints: But why would they try to kill Mist?

Fear that people would treat Mist as conf-town due to mod error.

If you protected me, because you feared scum would see me as conf-town, doesn't that mean you see me as conf-town. And If I am reading this correctly, then why are you voting me?

vote: qwints

I also don't like your reason for voting me, you voted me after the mod answered the question, if scum have day talk (or night?). Are you assuming that my "scum partner" would be coaching what to say. If you look at my posts, does it seem as if someone is coaching me what to say?

[Mist7676]

As I said, I might have been reading this wrong.

[Mist7676]

@scream, if you want to check the vote thing, please vote for someone who hasn't been voted for yet.
@Zoidberg: You too.
@Mist: Before you implied that no one was coaching you, it looked like no one was coaching you. Now it looks like either no one was coaching you, or you're just throwing WIFOM into the issue. Not to mention that, if you are scum with, e.g. Zoidberg (who hasn't been on the site since yesterday), he probably wouldn't be able to coach you, since he probably wouldn't have looked at the QT either.

Touché

[Mist7676]

I thought we were going with confirmable actions, but I should have made he post restriction limited to the first post. I didn't think ahead, and I understand what qwints is saying, about it being annoying now.

[Mist7676]

He could always have submitted a lag-action. An action that takes a day to work (eg- kill qwints on day(night?!!?) 3) so on that day, he can do a "confirmable" action, to prove he didn't do it.

But that's even more annoying. Also, is that a serious vote, or a number-testing one?

Damn it, Mist. I'm just glad you didn't target me.

I can change that

[Mist7676]

Ok since this is such 'scummy reasoning' right here I guess I should do examples

[insert name] might be scum, but I don't think pressuring him would make him scream I admit I am scum.

If he were to say I admit I am scum, then would you vote him?

of course with your imagination you could think of more.

[Mist7676]

Scream that is wrong.

Siv has to post I admit I am scum, every 3rd post he makes starting a the third post, his next post should include it.

So, why were you so quick to get siv modkilled?

[Mist7676]

This head is V/LA, but whatever.

I just noted that Siv's last "scum-claim" was 4 posts ago in his ISO. And he didn't get modkilled. So the scumteam is Siv-Mist. Good game everyone.

~m a.k.a. Head #2

Could also be just T-bone hasn't seen it/isn't paying attention.

Or that he is wrong.

[Mist7676]

@Mist: Why did you point it out? Yes, Siv did admit he was scum in his 3rd most recent post. Why not let him defend himself? Why suggest that scream made a mistake, when he might have been reaction-fishing? Sometimes you should just let things happen. So, why did you jump in like that?

Well it is my post restriction I knew how it worked, I came off strong, but I just meant it in the way, that Scream was wrong, and siv was doing it correctly.

[Mist7676]

Siveure: no action

Empking: made himself untargeteable

qwints: made Mist reflective

Mist: post-restricted Siveure

Mitillos: investigated Siveure - got innocent

ProHawk: made himself a bomb

Scream: investigated Zoidberg - got innocent

Zoidberg: investigated Scream - got innocent

PH, why did you choose bomb?

Ok on this list the people I would be up for a lynch today would be, (in order) scream, qwints, and zoid.

Qwints. my reasoning is in my ISO.
Scream - I don't like the way he tried to point out that siv's post restriction was flawed. If he truly went back and actually counted the posts he would have noticed he was wrong. Even after the mod posted. he still claims Siv should be dead. Plus that zoid cross investigation is kind of weird. I want to account it on a coincidence, but it seems to setup.
Zoid - Mostly because of his Night 1 play. but also the cross-investigation.

@Scream and Zoid, why did you choose to investigate the other? Was there any reasoning behind the action?

And I would like to end this with an UNVOTE: Qwints and a VOTE: Scream

[Mist7676]

Well, goodluck townies, don't do dumb things in the night >.> Like I did :/

And whoever you scum members are, I hope you brutally die in a fire ^_^ (in the game of course)

[Mist7676]

Sorry for the PR siv

AND I SUSPECTED ZOID bwhahahah