Micro 71: Lucid Dreamers - Night 4

[Mitillos]

As long as you keep all the possibilities in mind.

[screamlampost]

This head is V/LA, but whatever.

I just noted that Siv's last "scum-claim" was 4 posts ago in his ISO. And he didn't get modkilled. So the scumteam is Siv-Mist. Good game everyone.

~m a.k.a. Head #2

[Mist7676]

Scream that is wrong.

Siv has to post I admit I am scum, every 3rd post he makes starting a the third post, his next post should include it.

So, why were you so quick to get siv modkilled?

[Zoidberg]

This head is V/LA, but whatever.

I just noted that Siv's last "scum-claim" was 4 posts ago in his ISO. And he didn't get modkilled. So the scumteam is Siv-Mist. Good game everyone.

~m a.k.a. Head #2

Could also be just T-bone hasn't seen it/isn't paying attention.

[Mist7676]

This head is V/LA, but whatever.

I just noted that Siv's last "scum-claim" was 4 posts ago in his ISO. And he didn't get modkilled. So the scumteam is Siv-Mist. Good game everyone.

~m a.k.a. Head #2

Could also be just T-bone hasn't seen it/isn't paying attention.

Or that he is wrong.

[Mitillos]

@Mist: Why did you point it out? Yes, Siv did admit he was scum in his 3rd most recent post. Why not let him defend himself? Why suggest that scream made a mistake, when he might have been reaction-fishing? Sometimes you should just let things happen. So, why did you jump in like that?

[ProHawk]

As long as you keep all the possibilities in mind.

This is the problem. The possibilities are endless and would be impossible to keep them all in mind, I have obviously already overlooked quite a few of them.

[Mist7676]

@Mist: Why did you point it out? Yes, Siv did admit he was scum in his 3rd most recent post. Why not let him defend himself? Why suggest that scream made a mistake, when he might have been reaction-fishing? Sometimes you should just let things happen. So, why did you jump in like that?

Well it is my post restriction I knew how it worked, I came off strong, but I just meant it in the way, that Scream was wrong, and siv was doing it correctly.

[Mitillos]

Except that you didn't have any reason to defend him. After all, what you claim is that you gave him a post restriction. He has to follow it, or be modkilled. He has been following it, but this doesn't make him town. Scum would follow it, as well. So, you're too eager to defend him. This is either bad town play, or careless scum play.

[qwints]

Do we really think scum Mist would place a fake post restriction on Scum Siv and neither would kill somebody? The only way I see that happening is one godfathering Siv and the other shooting empking.

[Mitillos]

Or doing something else entirely, like making someone a SuperSaint. Or making a delayed kill, that takes place tomorrow. Or stealing a vote from someone, which we haven't established yet. It could be anything. But yes, one of their actions, in that situation, would have to be godfathering Siv, which I doubt they'd bother with.

[T-Bone]

Vote Count

Mist7676 - 3 (Empking, ScreamIampost, Zoidberg)
ScreamIampost - 1 (Miltillos)
Qwints - 1 (Mist7676)
Empking - 1 (ProHawk)
Zoidberg - 1 (Siveure DtTrikyp)

Not Voting - 0

Activity Check - All ok

Deadline is Thursday November 15th, 8:59pm EST

With 8 Alive, it Takes 5 to Lynch

[Mitillos]

Votecount seems alright, unless Emp stole from scream, or vice-versa, which at this point doesn't matter much.

Unvote

Normally I'd have voted for Mist now, but her recent posts make me think that he action was just a bad choice by a townie, rather than a weird smearing attempt by scum. I don't think Siv is lying. He claimed a siteflake. I got an innocent result from him. Either he never took an action, or he's scum and one scum action was used up in making him appear innocent. I don't much care for qwints' and hawk's specific actions, in this case, but I can see how they can make sense to town who are worried about people getting killed.

I'm not completely sure that Emp's claimed action would be allowed. If he can't be targeted, even a roleblock wouldn't reach him, so that seems broken.

Mod: Is it allowed for people to make themselves untargetable? Also, you're missing qwints in the latest votecount.

[Zoidberg]

Do we really think scum Mist would place a fake post restriction on Scum Siv and neither would kill somebody? The only way I see that happening is one godfathering Siv and the other shooting empking.

Why does one have to have shot empking?

[Mitillos]

If they are scum and if they shot someone, the only possible target is Empking, as he was the only one protected from kills, according to the claims. But those are two rather huge "if"s.

[Zoidberg]

If they are scum and if they shot someone, the only possible target is Empking, as he was the only one protected from kills, according to the claims. But those are two rather huge "if"s.

Right, which is why I asked.

[screamlampost]

So I don't need to keep track of how many posts I've made since I last did it.

I admit I am scum.

Also, UNVOTE: qwints
VOTE: empking

@Hawk and Siv: Your biggest scumread seems to be Emp. Who would his most likely partner be?

Speaking for myself, I've hit the brick wall of no reads and no motivation. Um...

Also, I'd probably have just lurked megahard were I to I admit I am scum.

Emp, why am I the obvious scum? Based on night actions, unless I'm lying about siteflaking (which I'm not), I'm scum with mitillos if I'm scum, and mist did some weird stuff to me, or I'm scum with mist and lied about siteflaking

Also, why lie about a siteflake as scum?

(Massive WIFOM, but this WIFOM is a big and unnecessary risk for scum. Seriously).

Anyway. To get at least a little bit of a read.

VOTE: Zoidberg

Emp, why am I the obvious scum? Based on night actions, unless I'm lying about siteflaking (which I'm not), I'm scum with mitillos if I'm scum, and mist did some weird stuff to me, or I'm scum with mist and lied about siteflaking

Why does being scum with have to involve you lyinng about siteflaking?

If I did no night action due to siteflake, why did mitsy come up with innocent on me unless somebody else disrupted it / he was scum. And if scum planned on both just self-godfathering. Well yeah, I was here at the start of the night for that to sortof work, but I didn't plan on the siteflake.

PEdit: I make all my reads up as I go along anyway. And they're never coherent. Yeah, I'm never a help to town unless it's a breakable setup.

Er, yeah zoid. Is it scum-motivated either? It happens as town who isn't really taking things very seriously.

Anyway, I'm sortof reading somewhat scummy on zoid.

Do the math. I'm not wrong. Siveure's post-restriction is fake.

[Empking]

If they are scum and if they shot someone, the only possible target is Empking, as he was the only one protected from kills, according to the claims. But those are two rather huge "if"s.

If anyone is scum and if they shot someone, I'm the only possible target. I don't buy for one second that scum didn't kill.

[qwints]

If the post restriction is fake, siv and mist have to be scum.

The delayed kill is certainly an interesting possibility. I could see that being an alternative to an emoting shot.

[Mitillos]

@scream: You are wrong. Read the second Siv line in post 360 (that is, second after the quote). You get town points for that though.

@Emp: There are unconventional methods of killing. Like I said, they may have made a delayed kill, that will only take effect tomorrow. In that case, any one of us could already be effectively dead already.

[Empking]

@Emp: There are unconventional methods of killing. Like I said, they may have made a delayed kill, that will only take effect tomorrow. In that case, any one of us could already be effectively dead already.

A delayed kill is possible, but i don't see the point of a large delay.

[qwints]

It's easy to check, just iso and find "I admit I am scum"

He hasn't violated the restriction.

[Zoidberg]

Needs moar Mist votes.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Yes, scream. You're right. There is no post restriction. I admit I am scum faking this whole post restriction business.

*phew* It's so much easier just getting it off the chest.

Also, delayed kill is what I was considering setting up as town... Um, when I get to the scum possibilities I shiver in dread.

We've kindof been going around in circles all the time. You could probably manufacture town reasons for everything, so we need to find something that's scummy. And I don't really know, but,

VOTE: empking

PEdit: why do we need mist votes?

Also, mitsy, if we have a godfathered scum we could have ONE of zoid/scream (more likely scream) being scum and faking an investigation on the other.

[Mitillos]

@Siv: Could you call me "Mit", please? Mitsy sounds girly and could also be confused with Mist. And yes, I know that it's possible that one of Zoid and scream godfathered and lied. But then we still don't have any actions unaccounted for, from their side. If e.g. Zoid godfathered himself, instead of investigating scream, he couldn't have done anything else. If they're not scum together, then two actions pertaining to them are definitely accounted for.