Micro 102: Mainstream Mini-Mafia [END, CULT WIN]

[Majiffy]

Ten days is a bit short but I wouldn't mind two weeks.

[Majiffy]

cos scum can muddy the waters, move a bw off a scummate etc etc. I am used to a 24/12 hour format and you know what our town record is pretty good. an extended amount of time gives town the opportunity to wifom themselves to death over their reads and make bad choices and for scum to take full advantage over that or at least that is what I have noticed in extended deadlines and untimed games.

The reason your town record is so good is because you play in a tight-knit group where everyone knows each others' meta tells. It has relatively little to do with time.

[Majiffy]

we are going to fight in this game aren't we

'sif we could get away without having any fights? C'mon, let's be realistic here.

[Majiffy]

On a page one RVS wagon? Unlikely.

[Majiffy]

I mean, not that I haven't done it before... But I'm also a rare breed of scum.

[Majiffy]

Seems ok.

[Majiffy]

Well lets go ahead and flip Siv then and see.

[Majiffy]

Would you like it to be?

[Majiffy]

That's not how you play the game.

[Majiffy]

Yeah but that might mess with balancing.

[Majiffy]

Games can stagnate with too much time. Deadlines -> Time pressures -> More active posting.

That's about the only argument in favor of shorter deadlines.

[Majiffy]

He thinks I'm scummy because I dodged the question. He believes his belief is further solidified by the fact that I'm playing off his vote like it doesn't matter when clearly I should be intimidated.

[Majiffy]

Why did you feel the need to answer that question? I would have liked to hear orcs answer without your input.

Because I felt like it.

[Majiffy]

That's interesting. So if I'm being anti-town for the purpose of being anti-town, how is that indicative of my alignment? Appears to be more of playstyle thing at that point.

[Majiffy]

Who said anything about not expressing my opinions?

[Majiffy]

Ah but the question had nothing to do with opinions.

[Majiffy]

There's nothing opinion about that. There are two truth claims one could make about that, one is valid and the other is invalid. An opinion cannot be quantified with truth claims.

[Majiffy]

Much in the way of "I like the color red" has nothing to do with whether or not red is a good color. Or if red actually exists as a color. Or if colors exist.

[Majiffy]

So now we're back to the real reason you're voting me, which is that you perceive something being for the sake of being is somehow inherently scummy, despite all signs pointing to it being completely alignment independent.

[Majiffy]

Whether or not I want to flip him and whether or not I think he's a good lynch are two independent thoughts. So why don't you ask me which one you really mean?

And the grasping at straws comment is hilarious.

[Majiffy]

Oh and by the way, I'd still like an answer to

my

questions that

you're

now deliberately avoiding.

[Majiffy]

I think you might have messed up your quote tags a bit there buddy.

Hope this helps.

[Majiffy]

What exactly are you voting me for again? I mean, since you've said that Majiffy was being annoying with his refusal to answer question, you think that my persistance in following up is...scummy somehow?

That's terrible.

Don't mind him, he's just my scumbuddy trying to bail me out of the horrible suspicion you've cast on me.

[Majiffy]

Questions I've asked and you've basically avoided;

Would you like it to be?

In reference to you asking if my statement about flipping Siv was serious.

So if I'm being anti-town for the purpose of being anti-town, how is that indicative of my alignment?

Which you answered in regards to "lol opinion" but we've already established that this was an invalid response.

Whether or not I want to flip him and whether or not I think he's a good lynch are two independent thoughts. So why don't you ask me which one you really mean?

And this one.

[Majiffy]

What is going on here and why are you allowed to play like this this isn't fair

Play like what, and why isn't it fair?

[Majiffy]

If it's irrelevant then why bother giving me an answer to begin with? Also, I'd argue that it's very relevant.
Voided seems to agree with me in regards to the lol opinion bit.
Wanting a flip -> Wanting to know their alignment. Thinking they're a good lynch -> Thinking they're scum. We

are

here to lynch scum, after all. Or maybe you're not, which is why you're not getting it.

Seems like you're the only one who has a problem with it Orci. Maybe the problem lies with you.

[Majiffy]

I

can randomly

bold

words too.

Yeah well your momma is fat.

[Majiffy]

Irrelevant to your answer.
Putting words in the mouth of others, are we?

I'm just responding to what you said, as you said it. But it's interesting that you bring this up, just as soon as you say this;

Well lets go ahead and flip Siv then and see.

Sorry buddy, you can't construe that as anything other than flip=lynch in this sentence. Nice try though?

What we were talking about was the difference between "do I want a flip on x" or "do I think x makes a good lynch?" To which the distinction I've outlined still holds. I never tried to construe anything, you're the one mincing words. We can flip Siv without a flip on Siv necessarily being a good lynch.

But by all means, continue to attack the person instead of the argument. I'm sure it will reflect excellently upon you when the rest of the playerlist eventually shows up.

[Majiffy]

Again you're missing the point. A 'good' lynch is one that is a scum lynch. You can have plenty of lynches that aren't good ones.

Also I think you'll note that the question wasn't about my vote as I didn't actually lay one down.

[Majiffy]

Well seeing as how answering that question will influence your answer to mine, I'd still like to know if you want it to be.

[Majiffy]

Well then sure, it's serious.

Now, be a dear and explain that scum read so I can shoot it down point by point.

[Majiffy]

Your answer didn't influence mine, it was the other way around; I didn't want my answer to eschew yours should you be scum going with whichever one makes you look less scummy.

And I feel the need to be a jackass constantly. It's just who I am.

Now, be a dear and explain that scum read so I can shoot it down point by point.

[Majiffy]

Because we still have players whom haven't posted nearly an appropriate amount of information, and one player whom hasn't posted at all.

[Majiffy]

The amount of irony here is killing me.

You don't even irony.

Oh okay. That excuses everything I guess.

Glad I could help!

So do you actually have any reads at this point?

Not particularly, no.

You refuse to express an opinion until someone else tells you what the 'right' answer is.

You couldn't try harder if you tried harder.

Believe it or not, "I want to flip Siv" is an opinion in implying that Siv is a good lynch for the day (post 46).

False. "I want to flip Siv" is a statement of Siv's lynch being informative. A "good" lynch is a scum lynch. The two are non-exclusive, but certainly not the same. But I've already said this, and apparently you're refusing to read.

And then you go on your completely unrelated flip vs lynch tangent where you miss the point through 5 consecutive posts.

You're actually the one that brought up the distinction. I was asking you to clarify which one you meant.

Still curious: How do you flip someone without lynching them?

That wasn't the statement I made. See above. Or look back in my ISO when I talked about this the first time.

[Majiffy]

I don't know, he's 16, so he'll probably hammer on about this for another 10 pages or so.

[Majiffy]

PPE: Really?

Yeah, you wanna fight about it?

[Majiffy]

That's not how you play the game.

[Majiffy]

I reckon Jason is going to be needing a replacement.

[Majiffy]

Or Jacob or whatever it is.

[Majiffy]

So you're implying that you don't want to lynch a scummy player?

[Majiffy]

I'm just saying, if there's no contradiction in finding people scummy for trying to lynch scummy players, you must not want to lynch scummy players.

[Majiffy]

Now why did you have to go and sodding post? Now we're going to have to deal with your stupid V/LA till Jan 6th.

Majiffy: what is your relation to Thor?
Who other than Siv do you think is scum?

Thor and I have similar playstyles. Also we share a Hydra. And we both have manly beards.
I never said I thought Siv was scum.

[Majiffy]

There are a lot of parties in this game that would prefer to stay silent, and that's not a good thing.

[Majiffy]

All the time. But what Orci is saying just isn't lining up.

[Majiffy]

Orci thinks you are bussing your teammate, what's the contradiction?

I don't believe he's actually said that. Please go re-read.

You are pretty obsessed with Orci's votes, why the lack of interest in mine?

I'm not actually very interested in either.

Why don't you make some things happen? You know, like asking questions, taking stances, etc.

Have you not read the game thus far?

instead of complaining about inactivity?

Well I've already interacted with the players whom aren't inactive. What else would you like me to do?

Do you think I - or anyone else in this game - should have a town-read on you? If yes, why? If no, why not?

Yes. Because I'm obviously fucking town.

[Majiffy]

The contradiction is that he's finding lynching a scummy player to be scummy. Now either he does not inherently think we should lynch scummy players, or he is contradicting himself.

[Majiffy]

Which is why you should probably ask him what he means instead of just assuming things.

People are voting for me because they're misguided. And I'm not ignoring the votes. I've responded to both of them.

How do I get reads if players aren't posting? You're not even making logical sense with that last bit.

[Majiffy]

I'm going to like Pappums this game, I can feel it.

[Majiffy]

She's very defensive.

[Majiffy]

... employs a false dichotomy to discredit Orci. Majiffy completely ignores the third (and more logical) possibility of bussing.

Doesn't actually hold as a possibility given what he's said.

I voted Majiffy for a couple reasons. First, he's cluttering up the game with fluff. Second, he's using semantics to discredit other players. Third, he's refusing to commit to any positions. Majiffy's recent posting confirms my suspicions, particularly his responses to me.

1) I'd say it's not fluff
2) When have I used semantics to

discredit players

? I've certainly used it to disable arguments.
3) I haven't refused to commit to any positions. Name one position I've refused to commit to.

[Majiffy]

And while you're at it, be a dear and go join my Mother of God marathon game.

Thanks for giving me a reason to make a new rule. Don't advertise in my games. Thanks.

[Majiffy]

Yes, by all means, call a scum team on page 5.

[Majiffy]

Doesn't actually hold as a possibility given what he's said.

Explain, please.

I think you're scummy. I think majiffy wanting to lynch you is more scummy. This is not a contradiction.

Now unless I was actually voting him (I wasn't) and trying to get him lynched, I don't see how you can associate any kind of bussing from my interaction with Siv. Thus what Orc said here doesn't hold as "I'm scummy for trying to bus Siv"

Also:

1) I think most of it is fluff. You certainly didn't need 50 posts to say as much as you have.

Well, that's like, your

opinion,

man.

2) You're right, you used semantics to disable arguments. I still think that's scummy since it intentionally misinterprets the argument and attacks it indirectly. It is similar to misrepresenting someone, though not as visible.

No, because the point of the argument was about semantics. I won the argument. How scummy of me to win an argument.

Also noted that you completely dodged the fact that I was calling you out for saying I was discrediting players.

3) You have not committed to any reads yet. You don't find anyone scummy or towny.

No one has asked. How can I refuse something if I've not been asked yet?

[Majiffy]

Now unless I was actually voting him (I wasn't) and trying to get him lynched, I don't see how you can associate any kind of bussing from my interaction with Siv. Thus what Orc said here doesn't hold as "I'm scummy for trying to bus Siv"

You expressed intent to lynch Siv in this post...

Well lets go ahead and flip Siv then and see.

... so yes it does hold.

Which, at the time of Orci's vote, could have been taken seriously or not seriously. Which means he would not know whether I was really trying to bus him or not. And now we're back to it not holding again.

I did not dodge anything, clearly stated that you were correct. It does not change the fact that I find the effect (and intention) of your semantic games scummy.

Again. Argument about semantics -> Wins argument -> Scummy for winning.
wat.

You were asked multiple times. I asked you and Orci asked you.

When did you ask me? What did I respond? When did Orci ask me? What did I respond?

Please provide the above with lots of quotes.

[Majiffy]

Orci asked you - "So do you actually have any reads at this point?" - and you replied: "Not particularly, no."

Explain how this is a refusal.

Jacob Savage asked - "Who other than Siv do you think is scum?" - and you responded with the defensive: "I never said I thought Siv was scum."

Explain how this is a refusal.

I asked - "How come you still don't have any reads after posting more than double anyone else?" - and your response - "How do I get reads if players aren't posting?" - implied yet again that you have no reads.

Explain how this is a refusal.

Are you saying that NOW you have reads? What has changed?

Got a few. People other than myself, Orci, and yourself have posted a bit.

[Majiffy]

Post 81/83

I'm on the phone but there's your evidence

Evidence of what? I'm confused.

Also: what happened to the whole OMG GUYS A FLIP IS NOT A LYNCH I NEVER SAID I WANTED TO LYNCH SIV line of excuse?

God you are retarded. I've explained this several times now, I never said this.

[Majiffy]

Ah but your original statement was that I refused. And I'm still asking you to explain how any of those responses were refusals.

Continue dancing around the issues, it's cute.

[Majiffy]

You are dancing around the issue. You said no one asked you. I showed that you were asked. Your responses gave no answers so they were refusals. I'm not getting into a semantic argument with you. You were WRONG about the fact that no one asked you. You are not dodging that bullet. If you have any reads, now is the time to articulate them.

You keep saying I'm the one dancing around issues and how you don't want to get into semantics, but lets get some REALTALK^TM here for a minute.

The conversation progressed as follows;

Third, he's refusing to commit to any positions.

I haven't refused to commit to any positions. Name one position I've refused to commit to.

3) You have not committed to any reads yet. You don't find anyone scummy or towny.

No one has asked. How can I refuse something if I've not been asked yet?

So you first said I was refusing to commit to a position. I asked you to name them. You then said I have not committed to any reads. I've asked you where I've been asked. And the questions you have posted thus far of me being asked, I have answered to. You cannot change "not having reads" to "refusing to give reads", these are not logically congruent.

Good day, sir.

[Majiffy]

I'll give you reads in-between Marathons but atm I'm going WTFSHITGODDAMNITSLOWDOWN

[Majiffy]

orcinus_theoriginal - Noob town.
Voidedmafia - Dunno, mostly because I haven't really bothered reading you much.
pirate mollie - Probably town unless she's trying to buddy me.
Melmond - Dunno. Where the hell is he?
Siveure DtTrikyp - Dunno, need more posts.
JacobSavage - Dunno, need more posts
FourTrouble - Possibly scum that is having issues getting off the failure that is a Majiffy wagon.
pappums rat - Probably town because he has like damn near the same reads as me.

I don't remember who voted Jacob but the vote itself was stupid. However, I think it struck me as a townish post.

[Majiffy]

Because otherwise the pissants won't stop begging me for my reads.

[Majiffy]

Well we're on page 6 with half the playerlist posting less than a paragraph of content. What more do you really want from me?

[Majiffy]

You'd understand if you know what part of your meta I'm applying to you.

[Majiffy]

For the most part.

[Majiffy]

Whatevz.

[Majiffy]

Ok now that I'm done modding that shitstorm, we can get down to the nitty gritty. Questions, comments, concerns?

[Majiffy]

Because defending me is alignment null. You could be scum buddying up to me or you could be town with a town read on me. Or even town who just thinks the case is stupid. I need to either interact with you directly or see you in more situations.

[Majiffy]

Yes it does. Why read someone if they're a general non-consequence thus far?

[Majiffy]

Eh maybe I'll get around to it eventually.

[Majiffy]

Unofficial vote count.

orci (L-3) - Voided, Siv
Maj (L-2) - Mel, orci, FT
FT (L-4) - Mollie
JS (L-4) - Pappums

Not voting - Majiffy, JS

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch

[Majiffy]

Orci is avoiding this thread like the plague.

[Majiffy]

Looool yeah you're going to be a real pleasure to have in this game, I can tell.

[Majiffy]

Now things get interesting.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: FourTrouble

Voided, JS and Pappums should pick sides.

[Majiffy]

Between myself and FT. The wagons are now both at L-2.

[Majiffy]

It'd be nice if JS was the last one involved, as well, since he's contributed the least.

[Majiffy]

Because you're probably scum.

[Majiffy]

If he has any further questions or concerns, he can check his role PM to verify.

[Majiffy]

No one likes Siv but that's just how he plays. You need to give him a lot of time and posts before he's actually readable.

[Majiffy]

DAT VOTE COUNT THREE IN A SECOND.

[Majiffy]

This wagon became incredibly less appealing once Melmond unvoted me.

[Majiffy]

Not the fact that he's trying to push a case on me that relies on misreps and dodging facts?

But yes, I am.

[Majiffy]

Also, what "feeding this shit" thing?

[Majiffy]

In the future, you could have just said that to begin with.

[Majiffy]

Also is it just me or does his hand not match his face/shoulders neither proportionately nor in skin tone?

[Majiffy]

Siv, does this game not interest you? Is there nothing worth really commenting on in 8 pages of content with direct interaction of several players against one player slot?

[Majiffy]

He lost his own point. He was trying to say when I said I didn't have any solid reads that I was actually just refusing to give reads. In other words, trying to paint my actions as scummy.

[Majiffy]

I really want to hear more from Jacob and Pappums before we do anything else.

[Majiffy]

Why would the fact that you're now not at L-2 make it "less appealing"?

Hypocrite <_<

1) Because I wanted to see what the people not already on one of the two wagons would do, with two tying wagons.

2) Bish please.

[Majiffy]

I'm ronery, so ronery...

[Majiffy]

Enumerate why you think Orci is scum, please.

[Majiffy]

UNVOTE: FT

[Majiffy]

In regards to 57, you don't see Orc's actions as potentially coming from a newbtown kid who's only 16?

Same with 87, really.

[Majiffy]

I'm just saying that it fits as a playstyle/personality thing more than an alignment thing.

[Majiffy]

That's actually a lowercase L, Mollie. Looks like he hit the l button when he hit the period.

[Majiffy]

HITTIN THE L AWWWWYEAHHHHH

[Majiffy]

Unless you're going to suggest he was tunneling fairly hard on Majiffy, what was the entire point of most of page 2 and page 3?

I have a few ideas.

[Majiffy]

Research suggests it's pretty much hardwired for everyone.

[Majiffy]

Orci, obviously.

[Majiffy]

Nope.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Melmond

[Majiffy]

Why you gotta go breaking my heart, pappums?

All of this. In search now.

[Majiffy]

It's the best wagon at the moment, and my vote was getting lonely.

[Majiffy]

I knew RachMarie was Pappum's moonlighting drag queen personality!

[Majiffy]

Yeah those would probably be the most important.

[Majiffy]

You're just finding out about our hydra now? I thought everyone knew about that.

Anyway we haven't had a whole lot of success with it. I mean we won hands-down as scum but then we got lynched d1 as Town because Tierce thought the fact that we were both busy just prior to the holidays was somehow scummy.

[Majiffy]

Imokwiththis.jpg

[Majiffy]

... So I just tried to go back to page 9 and Chrome is telling me that there is malware detected. The fuck?

[Majiffy]

It's got something to do with one of Pirate Mollie's posts on Page 9 because I can't access her ISO either.

[Majiffy]

Weird.

[Majiffy]

***I will do a systems check later to see if I have any malware. I would be surprised tbh, I have pretty secure safety measures in place.***

I think it might be on my end but I really don't know what the fuck.

[Majiffy]

FUCK YES SONS OF ANARCHY SEASON 5 JUST FINISHED TORRENTING.

GOODBYE, CRUEL WORLD.

[Majiffy]

Siveure Dfksdfjklsdjfp

Lol'd.

[Majiffy]

Also WTF I'm also getting malware on page 9 and on pirate mollie's posts. It's post 222 by manually altering the starting post.

As am I. TIME TO CALL THE ADMIN POLICE.

Oh thank god it's not me. I ran AVG and it didn't turn up shit. I was skurred.

[Majiffy]

Haven't got much to say.

[Majiffy]

Let me know who I'm voting. I think it's Melmond but I can't be sure.

[Majiffy]

Oh, good.

[Majiffy]

Neither mantis or waffle are in this game, what are you doing

There's like 3 micros going on currently with damn near the same playerlist.

[Majiffy]

How long do you have to wait after a V/LA to request a prod?

[Majiffy]

This fuckin' game.

[Majiffy]

Please update this post with the replacements, ckflip

THE MAINSTREAM

1. orcinus_theoriginal
2. Voidedmafia
3. Majiffy
4. pirate mollie
5. Melmond
6. Siveure DtTrikyp
7. JacobSavage
8. FourTrouble
9. pappums rat

[Majiffy]

... It's 13 pages.

[Majiffy]

I think Rach mentioned earlier that he probably did.

[Majiffy]

Yes.

[Majiffy]

That's repetitive, Mollie. Hookers always come with blow.


Dummy.

[Majiffy]

Also, apparently not.

[Majiffy]

He hasn't actually given any legit scum reads. Just a few weak fosses.

[Majiffy]

I wasn't saying he shouldn't. I'm certainly curious.

[Majiffy]

You spelled MOAR wrong.

[Majiffy]

You didn't capitalize the N, grammar Nazette.

[Majiffy]

FT is still playing the same tune eh?

Stay strong, town.

[Majiffy]

Aw Rach's scum day is the same day as my birthday! Happy scum day Rach!

[Majiffy]

I got excited for a moment and then he disappeared.

Story of your life around me, eh?

[Majiffy]

I got excited for a moment and then he disappeared.

Story of your life around me, eh?

[Majiffy]

You sort of answer your own question there.

And just out of curiosity if I refuse to answer your questions that makes me town like Majiffy right

oh ok right

And on that day, Orci posts the scummiest post of them all.

[Majiffy]

His answer-but-not-an-answer and his over-eagerness to restart an argument with me because he wants to continue looking town, rather than actually being town.

[Majiffy]

Loool.

[Majiffy]

So about that Melmond/HD lynch...

[Majiffy]

Well no one likes you anyway.

[Majiffy]

Any reason about me or is it all related to Melmond?

Entirely all Melmond. Sorry.

this is true. but most people like you even less.

Except you!

[Majiffy]

@ Majiffy thanks 1 whole year now on site (NS had his 3rd just a few days ago). And Happy Birthday to you ♥

Wow I never realized you joined after me.

And thanks.

[Majiffy]

Thor665 force-replaces Siveure DtkljthklhgrP

That sounds dirty.

Vote: Human Destroyer

The one post of Four Trouble I read sounded scummy and wussy though - why should we not be lynching that thing too?

Sheeping me already, are we?

[Majiffy]

sometimes I do sometimes i don't

What are you, Schrodinger's Mafia Player?

[Majiffy]

@Majiffy - so what's your case on Human Destroyer?

Melmond was a scumbutt.

I'll give you an actual case in a little bit.

[Majiffy]

Unvotes me; RVS is over. Says he would vote for the person I'm arguing with (FT) but unsure if the wagon is at L-1 or L-2.
Very next page, vote count at the top, wagon is at L-2. Talks about how scummy FT is. Doesn't follow up with a vote.

Rest of his posts are super spread out and don't actually deal with much of anything. Basically he soft-pushed FT wagon when it was gaining steam and then sat around and did nothing when it cooled down.

[Majiffy]

I do what I can.

[Majiffy]

Let's look inside the box.
Mollie should sheep me.

*Ahem* I was voting him first, skank.

[Majiffy]

It's clearly an elaborate sheep by Thor made to look like an elaborate OMGUS, so technically he IS sheeping me.

[Majiffy]

did you know that we can now peek inside the box and still keep the cat alive?

Neat.

[Majiffy]

@Majiffy - you are, but I want her to sheep my case, not yours.

[Majiffy]

I really want the scum team to be Thor / Majiffy just for the sheer horror.

It happened once and it was beautiful.

Of course, we were the same slot. I can only imagine what two individual slots would be like.

Anyway I was going to vote Voided because that hop on the wagon was the ickiest of the sticky but then HD had to go and blow that out of the water with his god-awful OMGUS and even-worse "case" on Jason.

[Majiffy]

Unless he's in another game I'm currently playing (entirely possible) he's a town read.

I'll go check and get back to you.

[Majiffy]

Yep only one. Town read.

[Majiffy]

Sorry, Jacob.

[Majiffy]

Early posting was indicative of town trying to determine the alignment of players and gather reads.

[Majiffy]

Who other than Siv do you think is scum?

Inquiring about someone's reads isn't really scum/townhunting.

I disagree.

[Majiffy]

No asking for someone's reads is asking for their thoughts on the subject.

That's not scumhunting, that's asking for opinions.

You have much to learn, young Padawan.

[Majiffy]

HD, those aren't very bandwagony. The first one is a decent reaction to the events, the second is the same shift everyone else made. I guess an argument could be made that the second is "bandwagony" if you want to stretch it, but it certainly isn't scum or town aligned; I can see the play being made from either alignment.

Mollie, Thor hasn't actually been that scummy. Leave him be for a while and we'll see how town does with two of us alive. You never know, we just might lynch all the scum back to back.

[Majiffy]

Interactions with me in the early-game. Possible buddying but she's not the kind to keep her composure well as scum so if she is, she'll be easy to read by the time we see a few flips, anyway.

[Majiffy]

No her flipping out is typical, but her scum flipping out and her town flipping out are different.
She's a meta scumhunter, she doesn't play with you and thus can't read you. So she's just kinda trying to use what she can to get reads off you.
I'll take a look and dig some up.

[Majiffy]

27 - Looking to me for reads on a player she doesn't know.
111 - Essentially voting FT because of his attack on me.

Not things I would expect her to do as scum. But as I said, if she is, it'll be blatantly obvious eventually.

[Majiffy]

That's just the early stuff. I'm sure she's done more since then

but frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.

[Majiffy]

A lot. She relies heavily on alignment-dependent tells that vary from player to player, which means she needs to pick up on them first.

If someone buddies me I'm more likely to give them a pass till late-game, sure. Particularly if they sheep my votes.

[Majiffy]

Yeah, but I'm not sure if that's town-dependent or null. Only game I can remember her as scum is a game where I bussed her d1 so it wasn't like I had to actually read her.

[Majiffy]

SO BASICALLY IF THERE ARE ANY INVESTIGATIVE ROLES YOU SHOULD, I DUNNO.


HINT HINT.

[Majiffy]

I stated a town read on you at least once in this game, Mollie. Thor asking why I had a town read on you is not a loaded question.

[Majiffy]

...Yes he has? I don't need to be sheeping him to see that he's answered your questions.
That's null for him.

Now this is unexpected.

[Majiffy]

Voided can I see a few recently completed scum games?

[Majiffy]

Remind me again how bad of a scum player you think I am

? <-- this is a question I want answered.

^ loaded question

there is a presumption in it.

Eh that's just Thor being condescending.

[Majiffy]

Voided, do you think Siv would make a strong or weak scum player?

p-edit: Yeah, but b) isn't an alignment tell for him, Mollie, that's just what he does.

[Majiffy]

What about RachMarie?

[Majiffy]

I am not aware that thor would paint what into what are scumtells into scumtells in fact I would strongly argue that he can tell the difference. and as you have pointed out his put downs are not necessarily alignment related and that is not what I am going after. jesus christ majiffy just let thor and I get each other sorted.

MOMMY AND DADDY ARE FIGHTING AGAIN

[Majiffy]

P-Edit: Am I the only one that finds it amusing that everyone automatically assumes Thor is town?

No one is doing that. We're treating him like that thing you really should go to the doctor's for but you really don't want to just in case the doctor says you're going to die in 6 months.

[Majiffy]

...

That is probably the weirdest interpretation of any player I've ever heard.

That and if he is town he's a very effective scum hunter, same with Majiffy.

And even when we're scum, we have a propensity for lynching scummy teamates the first moment they step one toe out of line.

Thought - scum is apparently cult in this game.
If we have mafia too then cult is probably only one derp with no kills and one recruitment
If no Mafia then either the cult can't kill or would have limited recruitment.

Wait wha- fuck shit- god-

what?

Where are you getting all this from?

Also, I'd like to lynch the fuck out of Voided.

[Majiffy]

Or the fact that he was already voting Mollie.

[Majiffy]

That's how cult usually is, which is why I'm baffled by what the hell he's talking about and where the hell he got it from.

[Majiffy]

Oh right, those dastardly "setup" posts what with their rules and setup information and whatnot.

[Majiffy]

Jacob, you're probably town. Wanna lynch Voided?

[Majiffy]

are you seeing it majiffy? I am not crazy.

What did I say about going to the doctor and finding out you have 6 months to live? If we're lynching Thor, it'll be after all our other avenues have been exhausted.

Because?

Your defense of Thor and your interactions with the slot as a whole make me curious if Thor is actually scum and you're now defending him (instead of trying to bus him, as you had toyed around with re: Siv) because he's a stronger scum player.

[Majiffy]

The game is called Mainstream Mafia

Do you actually expect people to be serious in every single post

Get the fuck out. I'm serious. We're almost at 600 pages. Get the fuck out.

[Majiffy]

I thought scum didn't buddy their scumpartners?

How did I "toy" with bussing Siv?

Granted, Thor is a player I think I tend to want to sheep (along with Ranbowdash/Llamafluff), but even so...

1) What the fuck?
2) Voting habits.
3) ... Doesn't actually address what I said about how you've been interacting with him.

[Majiffy]

If I'm scum and I'm partners with Thor (or we're cultbuddies), why would I try to buddy up to my partner?

You've done it before in regards to RachMarie.

Secondly, count how many people call that a scumclaim/slip from me <_<

What is this? Trying to ATE my suspicion away from you? You should know by now that I don't have a heart.

I don't think I meant that to be, really.

So you're agreeing that my reasons for wanting to lynch you are valid?

[Majiffy]

Well that's adorable, but that post could come from town or scum. Give me real reasons to believe you're town.

[Majiffy]

I feel like I just watched an explosion of silly happen.

Would anyone like to

at least pretend they're town

for a few pages? It would help me.

I have been.

I have been trying to get a read off of you.

[Majiffy]

Well that's adorable, but that post could come from town or scum. Give me real reasons to believe you're town.

there is no town motivation for that post and I am not understanding why you would think there was.

I'm asking him to refute my argument instead of just say "lol well that's what I do hurr hurr aren't I adorable?"

[Majiffy]

I know it just made me crack up.

[Majiffy]

I did? I don't remember doing that in 409.

Ctrl+f is your friend.

Thatt wasn't really at you, though I admit I did wonder if you thought I had scumslipped based on the "what the fuck" reaction.

No, but I still don't get where the fuck you got the idea "scum don't buddy their partners", it happens.

(I dont feel like the defense in and of itself is terrible, so I guess I'm assuming you dislike the way I'm doing it?)
Said defense of Thor makes you think Thor is scum and that me-scum is defending him (which I think is stupid because scum shouldn't buddy their partners; defend yes, but not buddy)
I'm doing said defense because Thor is a stonger player (than who? Me? the players in this game?) as scum (Even if it was true that he's a better scumplayer than I am, I honestly don't see why I'd try to defend him if that's the case unless I honestly thought the case brought against him was really stupid.)

1) Yes.
2) Ok, but that's just a bucket of WIFOM. Give me a real refutation why you can't be you-scum defending him-scum.
3) Not stronger, just strong, even though the former may still "hold", if you will.

[Majiffy]

Thor Jacob is probably the towniest player in the game, even if he's as useless as a five dollar whore when you have no condoms.

[Majiffy]

If Thor is as good a player as you say he is, why would Voidedscum need to try and defend him when Thorscum could easily defend himself quite nicely? Doing so would simply be unnecessary work and probably would just make me look scummy by doing that. Regardless of the case being used against Thor, if he responds well enough my own defense of him would look off-putting and may well make people think, "Why is Voided trying to do this for Thor? Is he trying to earn townpoints from this?" or something like that.

Because Voidedscum has a history of defending his scum buddies if they're at least decent players.

630 is absolutely terrible. It reeks of scum trying to make town question the blatantly obvious and ultimately themselves.

then are you voting Voided? If not, why not?

Rach why did you avoid interacting with me on any meaningful level? You out reads on a lot of players and all I get is "Majiffy did you really say that :O wow", shit doesn't fly, homie.

[Majiffy]

Based on...one game?

yeah, totally good work with dat meta.

Am I supposed to be faulted that you've not a lot of recent scum games completed?

[Majiffy]

Nevermind that the other most recently finished scumgame of mine (A Double-Day Unlimited Open, the one before the currently ongoing one) didn't have me defend my scumpartner at all (first one was lurky, so that goes neither way, but Gunny and I bussed each other pretty damn hard D2).

Given a clear 1:1 ratio between "defending my partner" and "bussing/distancing from my partner", your meta argument is flawed.

1) Gunny wasn't playing strongly as scum.
2) I didn't say defending your partner universally, I said defending strong partners.

Your misrep is noted.

[Majiffy]

1) That's great, we don't give stickers for participating here.
2) Well he wasn't in that game.

[Majiffy]

Meh. Rach is good enough as scum, too, so I don't really see the point?

... That is the point. You defend your buddies when they're strong scum. Or, to state it more accurately, you ignore or bus your buddies if they don't look like they're going to make it or in general aren't good as scum.

[Majiffy]

Shrug.

[Majiffy]

Thor, what's Majiffy's scumplay like?

I don't believe myself able to quantify it from his town play other than 'scummy'.

Lol.

[Majiffy]

Hey anyone want to lynch Voided and see what he flips?

[Majiffy]

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[Majiffy]

VOTE: HD

[Majiffy]

or are you just going with "Thor and Majiffy together must be right."?

(Spoilers: They're not)

Looks like someone hasn't read the flow-chart.