Micro 102: Mainstream Mini-Mafia [END, CULT WIN]

[Human Destroyer]

Hi everyone, I'm your Melmond

down

upgrade. Normally I wouldn't replace in for a guy at L-2 but I'm feeling masochistic today.

You can refer to me as HD; don't you DARE refer to me as Human, it's just awkward and implies someone here might not be human.

Anyway, I have some reading up to do, then I'll make some sort of post.

Also you're welcome chkflip.

[Human Destroyer]

Alright so the cases on Melmond are:

-Taking bussing discussion out of context (what?)
-Nothing (lol Majiffy)
-Lurking

Alright so nothing I can really defend against

Fun times

I'll have my reads up sooner or later

[Human Destroyer]

orc

-

Being an attention whore

Drawing attention to self, probably town.

Voided

- That orc vote looks funny to me. Although I don't think his case is wrong, per se, I don't think it makes orc scummy.

Majiffy

- Is this the way Majiffy always plays? It really isn't very informative.

pirate mollie

- I feel like she's contributing almost nothing and is buddying with Majiffy.

Melmond

- He's so obvtown why are you guys even voting hi- oh wait that's my predecessor.

Siv

- Lack of contributions + Bandwagoning = possible scum.

Jacob

- V/LA, no idea how I'm supposed to read this guy.

FourTrouble

- Don't understand the case on him. Someone elaborate please.

RM

- The Melmond vote feels opportunistic. It screams bandwagon (to me, at least). Pappums seemed town to me though so I can let this slide.

VOTE: Siv

I'm divided between Siv, Voided, and Mollie. I'd say Siv is really my biggest scum read of the three so let's go with that.

[Human Destroyer]

c'mon guys pick up the pace this sucks and not good for town. Tempus fugit very fast.

I know this is a quadruple post but I feel so lonely

Maybe it's because I have no life, maybe it's because no one's posting, and maybe it's both

Probably the 3rd one

MORE ACTIVITY PLS

[Human Destroyer]

So...it's okay when I do it and not okay when RM does it?

I only have 2 content posts as well, and I still asked people to pick up the pace.

Do you find it scummy coming from RachMarie? Do you find it scummy coming from me?

[Human Destroyer]

Asking you questions =/= calling you out.

If I was calling you out as scummy I probably would've voted you.

Anyway let's just leave it at this so we don't have another orc vs. Majiffy, k?

[Human Destroyer]

Hmmm...

Orc, I'm assuming Majiffy is still your primary scum read and that Siv is your secondary scum read. I'd like your thoughts on people you don't really mention so much (Mollie and FT in particular)

[Human Destroyer]

lol, hd reminds a lot of thor.

Is this a complement or an insult?

the game stalled early and I have not gotten my feet firmly planted yet. so you think that I am buddying up to majiffy and not the other way around, eh? I find this funny.

ISO #37 is what convinces me he isn't really buddying you back. He even states he sees possible buddying from you.

do you plan to support your case on siev or just ride on the impetus that you have breathed fresh life into this game?

How have I not supported it? He's posted almost nothing in terms of content, and every vote he's made has been towards a wagon; first on orc's (which was a silly wagon that didn't take, thankfully), then on FT's (who I still don't really get the case on).

P-Edit: ACTIVITY PLS

[Human Destroyer]

I just realized all of my scum reads voted for the same people

It makes me feel more confident of them somehow

[Human Destroyer]

Neither mantis or waffle are in this game, what are you doing

Also I know who Thor is, never played in a game with him though

[Human Destroyer]

EBWOP: or-->nor

[Human Destroyer]

EBWOP again: Waffle-->Wisdom

[Human Destroyer]

Okay that makes sense

Still waiting on that FT case, because I still haven't seen one. :l

[Human Destroyer]

Hi Voided

Reads on people that aren't orc please?

[Human Destroyer]

Jacob, could you explain your reads on Mollie and Voided please?

[Human Destroyer]

Reads would be nice.

[Human Destroyer]

Siv

If I can read through this game and supply reads despite not being in the game for 10 pages

You can too

[Human Destroyer]

TOWN

Human Destroyer
orcinus_theoriginal
RachMarie
--
Majiffy
JacobSavage
FourTrouble
--
pirate mollie
Voidedmafia
Siveure DtTrikyp

SCUM

Seems about right

[Human Destroyer]

Mollie/Siv I want that FT case

Also ftr Majiffy is null-town, JS and FT are pure null

[Human Destroyer]

Yes, I feel like your case is more like stating a fact of what orc is doing and calling it scummy than actually noticing something scummy that he's doing.

[Human Destroyer]

Is it just me or did FT site flake

He hasn't posted since Friday and hasn't posted anything with content since last Tuesday

[Human Destroyer]

FT may also get replaced I think he has site flaked Saw his name listed in the replacement thread.

Oh yeah I forgot about this post.

Yes, I feel like your case is more like stating a fact of what orc is doing and calling it scummy than actually noticing something scummy that he's doing.

And that's a bad thing?

Actually, it is. It feels contrived.

[Human Destroyer]

Human Destroyer, why'd you put Orc in your town pile?

First of all yay you're here

Second of all because his pushing looks genuine to me

[Human Destroyer]

Mollie/Siv I want that FT case

*cough*

[Human Destroyer]

Eh I suppose I see it, I think it's weak myself, and I think there are scummier players out there

[Human Destroyer]

Question for Rach: what has majiffy or mollie contributed in the way of actual content during the period in which I was not posting anything? If you want "more," why isn't your vote on them?

Add Siv in with Majiffy and Mollie, then answer please

[Human Destroyer]

Eh I suppose I see it, I think it's weak myself, and I think there are scummier players out there

like who

Siv and Voided (although I'm starting to question my latter read)

[Human Destroyer]

where did hd go. I got excited for a moment and then he disappeared.

You know you asked this at 1 AM in my time, right?

[Human Destroyer]

You sort of answer your own question there.

And just out of curiosity if I refuse to answer your questions that makes me town like Majiffy right

oh ok right

And on that day, Orci posts the scummiest post of them all.

Not sure I understand

Enlighten me please

[Human Destroyer]

Fair enough.

I still want to lynch Siv though.

[Human Destroyer]

So about that Melmond/HD lynch...

Any reason about me or is it all related to Melmond?

[Human Destroyer]

wat

[Human Destroyer]

Entirely all Melmond. Sorry

Aw

(Totally not an appeal to emotion nope not at all)

[Human Destroyer]

lol, hd reminds a lot of thor

Should be an interesting game.

[Human Destroyer]

I like the JS wagon, not really feeling an FT wagon though.

[Human Destroyer]

A mollie lynch would be decent too

Vote switching without any explanation until asked about it is meh

[Human Destroyer]

Seems legit

[Human Destroyer]

Oh wait

I see what you did there

But wouldn't that mean you're scum too?

[Human Destroyer]

1) That post looks like an RVS post.

2) I thought you were talking about 406.

[Human Destroyer]

Do you dodge questions as town, or only when you're scum like this game?

It's funny because you think I'm scum.

[Human Destroyer]

No phone stop it

I meant to answer it with my playstyle is probably the most erratic in existence so sometimes I do sometimes i don't

[Human Destroyer]

sometimes I do sometimes i don't

What are you, Schrodinger's Mafia Player?

Maybe?

[Human Destroyer]

This is clearly an elaborate OMGUS from Thor

So technically he isn't sheeping you

[Human Destroyer]

A) You replaced into a scumslot

B) You can claim you have logic all you want, but maybe it's just me, but the vote doesn't look serious.

[Human Destroyer]

By all means do tell though

[Human Destroyer]

I'm thinking Thor/Voided for scumteam

Mollie sheep me

You know you want to

P-Edit: I can't claim scum if I'm not scum, your argument is invalid.

[Human Destroyer]

Should also note that Voided is sheeping the slot he was just scumreading

Just a thought

[Human Destroyer]

Also if you're seeing a scumclaim that I'm not

There's a problem

[Human Destroyer]

But all that really proves is we're almost assuredly not scum together.

This is WIFOM. I would think you'd know this.

[Human Destroyer]

I'd like to know where that scumclaim is

Can I at least have a hint?

[Human Destroyer]

It looks like WIFOM to me.

And yeah I still don't see the scumclaim, so yeah I'm kinda curious now

[Human Destroyer]

I always like the idea of Jacob being lynched, his posts are weaksauce. I'll vote him right now...

Probably has something to do with this

P-Edit:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: JacobSavage

He's done nothing but bandwagon and make short one-liner posts that contribute nothing

Call it an OMGUS I don't even care anymore this guy is scum

Also yes my Thor/Voided scumteam thing was clearly wrong

P-P-Edit: No mollie I wanted first response >:-(

[Human Destroyer]

Yeah I lost my train of thought with that post

It probably has something to do with my vote remaining on Thor while not expanding on his scumminess and instead looking at other lynches

Correct?

[Human Destroyer]

Oh hai.

Couple of questions,
Majiffy: what is your relation to Thor?
Who other than Siv do you think is scum?

The guy with one of the Hammer bros as an avatar: Why is Majiffy s likely partners if he is scum?



In terms of general things, I'm stuck with phoneposting relying on rather crummy WiFi til the 6th may try and make a decent post a couple of days afterward.

Alright so we have some empty questions here plus V/LA declaration.

Oops thought I had posted ...

Majiffy looks town, he appears to be far to relaxed to be scum.
Pirate is a little murrrr but can be town for now, Voided can join her.

Siv is probably scum, although be appears to have disappeared...

Will post more tonight I hope

Never made that decent post you promised, huh?

Yeah fourtroble looks scum as anything,

I'm getting some good town-reads so far, having trouble getting strong scum-reads though

. majiffy still looking suspicious to me, and mollie as well now.

I don't know about you but that to me reads as scum, afraid scum prefer not to tread on anyones toes til they have to. Town however should have nothing to fear.

VOTE: FT

Excuse to bandwagon, this isn't really a scumtell at all.

I've also spelled trouble wrong opps...

Filler

Love you too mollie

Filler

God help us all...

Filler

I really want the scum team to be Thor / Majiffy just for the sheer horror. However I have come to realise that Thor is normally right so I'll just sheep him, and Majiffy is a good scum hunter so I'll sheep those two for now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Human Destroyer

That's L-1.

Excuse to bandwagon

I'm afraid I'm not scum sorry, try again.

Filler

tl;dr

1. JacobSavage has not done any scumhunting whatsoever.
2. JacobSavage's only posts have been bandwagoning posts with thin excuses behind him and filler.

Confirm Vote.

[Human Destroyer]

EBWOP: In #2 of the tl;dr, him-->them

[Human Destroyer]

Another EBWOP: I meant he used a non-scumtell to paint FT scummy, not that the post wasn't a scumtell

[Human Destroyer]

8. FourTrouble (2) - pirate mollie, Siveure DtTrikyp

The votecount before you voted.

That's a wagon.

It's less that you're sheeping them and more that you're blatantly bandwagoning.

[Human Destroyer]

Meh, I found one of his posts chummy I voted him, is that really that bad.

Actually, it is. It's a blatant bandwagon vote. I find that scummy, considering that's all you've done throughout this whole game.

[Human Destroyer]

What are you talking about

JacobSavage's hop-on was far scummier than Voided's

Speaking of which, what is your current read on JacobSavage?

[Human Destroyer]

Yep only one. Town read.

I'm thoroughly confused by this. Explain?

[Human Destroyer]

(I mean I'm not confused that you have a town read on him, I'm confused as to why)

[Human Destroyer]

Oh hai.

Couple of questions,
Majiffy: what is your relation to Thor?

<--Useless for purposes of scum/townhunting.

Who other than Siv do you think is scum?

Inquiring about someone's reads isn't really scum/townhunting.

The guy with one of the Hammer bros as an avatar: Why is Majiffy s likely partners if he is scum?

<--Probably the only question that's actually scum/townhunting.

I disagree.

[Human Destroyer]

No asking for someone's reads is asking for their thoughts on the subject.

That's not scumhunting, that's asking for opinions.

There's a difference.

[Human Destroyer]

That's the way I post, just because I vote someone while talking about someone else doesn't make me scum

[Human Destroyer]

...because I'm totally going to be able to convince you to vote yourself.

[Human Destroyer]

Yes, I'm absolutely fine with doing that.

If people don't support the lynch of my top scumread, it makes sense to recruit them to lynch my second/third scumreads, does it not?

[Human Destroyer]

Yes

Siv had (almost) no content and bandwagoned like nuts

And considering Jacob never followed up, that statement is invalid.

[Human Destroyer]

Yes, I do.

[Human Destroyer]

Can you show me an example of his scummy bandwagoning that he did like nuts?

Especially since I just looked.
He voted three people in three days - and those were the first three days of the games.
One of the votes was himself.
Sooooo, bandwagony.
Looking forward to this one being explained to me.

No, that was an RVS self-vote; the serious votes he made were bandwagoning.

[Human Destroyer]

Siv's self-vote was a strained attempt for scum to say "hey i don't care about being lynched!"

Serious scum read right now.

Um, can I point to this? You think I'm scum, then have a major problem with majiffy wanting to flip/lynch me?

Do you still think I'm scum?

UNVOTE: Siverruer Trickedup
VOTE: Ornicusthe_original

Hrmmph.

I can accept the newbtownness of ornicus.

FT is bad though.

VOTE: fourtrouble

These.

[Human Destroyer]

And by 'people' you mean 'top scumspect'?

No, but "them" does.

[Human Destroyer]

I need to rethink this game before I post again

Hopefully will post in the next 2 hours

[Human Destroyer]

Alright screw rethinking it let's get back to where I was.

Explain the scum maneuvering behind either vote, or both?
Because this looks weak as hell.

It's not necessarily scum maneuvering, sometimes you just need to look for a lack of towniness.

P-Edit: Am I the only one that finds it amusing that everyone automatically assumes Thor is town?

[Human Destroyer]

Thor, I'll also answer your question with another question: Where's his town motivation for wagoning like he did?

[Human Destroyer]

I still think his predecessor was scummy though

I like a JacobSavage lynch better though

[Human Destroyer]

...

That is probably the weirdest interpretation of any player I've ever heard.

[Human Destroyer]

P-Edit: Am I the only one that finds it amusing that everyone automatically assumes Thor is town?

That seems like good play from everyone, personally.
Wait till Day 3 though, if I'm alive the scum case on me will be 'Thor is alive' and I'll be called scummy if I ask for any further case evidence.

This sounds like such a Thor thing to say. The funny thing is it's probably true.

Thor, I'll also answer your question with another question: Where's his town motivation for wagoning like he did?

Reactions and pushing a lynch?
Last I checked, town had a lot of benefits in pushing wagons, especially early wagons.

FT was a bad wagon to begin with; maybe it's something I'm missing, but FT was never particularly scummy, plus no one voting him (Mollie and Siv) could provide any sort of case whatsoever. If he can't even bother to come up with a case, why push the lynch? Maybe it's just me, but a vote from a lurker/no-content poster like that really wouldn't scare me. The orc vote I could see possibly following this though, so I'll give you that.

[Human Destroyer]

From the way it was presented, I took it to mean the cult was seperate from the mafia.

(Although tbh I'm not sure how the hell it works considering it's a Micro)

P-Edit: Alright, then how about this: is contributing to a wagon while a wagon has formed on you not scummy (self-preservation)? If not, why?

(I recall there being a wagon on Siv at the same time as these posts, could be wrong I'd have to check)

[Human Destroyer]

Nope, I'm wrong, the wagon was after that, disregard those questions

[Human Destroyer]

Yet I still have that unshakeable feeling that Siv is scum

Goddammit why

[Human Destroyer]

It's funny that you say you're sheeping Thor and vote for someone that isn't me

[Human Destroyer]

I mean yeah you're sheeping his reads, but usually when you sheep someone, you vote for the same person they are

Do you not?

[Human Destroyer]

Oh right I forgot

Thor honest question, did you read the game or have you based your entire list of reads on everything after you replaced in?

[Human Destroyer]

Also Thor is calling me Human instead of HD

This is a bad thing that should be remedied

[Human Destroyer]

That's probably a carry over from ani's rules

If not then this game needs to be restarted (and Thor is lying, I'm town)

[Human Destroyer]

The game is called Mainstream Mafia

Do you actually expect people to be serious in every single post

[Human Destroyer]

Who is this to, just so I'm not mistaken?

Thor's 584

[Human Destroyer]

For HD I actually thought he had something good to work with, plsu good reasons

Is this still true and you just find Mollie scummier? Or is this no longer true?

[Human Destroyer]

Just a general note. Thor665 is my main back-up mod, but I've never actually sent him a single setup for a game.

I seriously wonder how you allow your back-up mod to replace in; it just seems odd.

Anywho back to the game

1. I won't be needing one, and 2. It's Thor. Business picked up. It was a good decision.

[Human Destroyer]

...wait, so Majiffy responded to a "scum slip" with a "scum slip"?

:l

[Human Destroyer]

What I see going on is you asking mollie for her reads and her giving them.

(Mollie you ARE female right)

I'll admit her voting pattern has been odd, and her vote changes are often unexplained.

[Human Destroyer]

Feel free to actually start addressing stuff that's happening in any way at all.
There's a reason you look like scum.

So I'm scummy for not addressing current issues in a meaningful way, but JacobSavage isn't?

Also answer the question I asked earlier

[Human Destroyer]

Thor honest question, did you read the game or have you based your entire list of reads on everything after you replaced in?

^this one.

[Human Destroyer]

How is that a vague opinion? Her voting pattern has been odd, and her vote changes often go unexplained. That seems pretty clear cut to me.

Giving opinions on only one thing is a defining flaw of my character though.

(Also I just kind of want to know his/her gender so it's easier to address him/her. it has nothing to do with reading them)

[Human Destroyer]

Hey all - 16 pages in a Micro sounds boring.
Who should I be sheeping?

I'm assuming this is your answer. You should probably read the rest of the game, just a thought.

And no, he isn't more involved in this game at all.

[Human Destroyer]

1. A scumtell.

In those 16 pages:

orc vs. Majiffy (might help you develop reads on the both of them as well as those who get involved and/or comment on it)
Lots of Mollie/Majiffy smalltalk
And some FT/Voided/Mollie/Melmond sprinkled in there

[Human Destroyer]

...What? What're you talking about?

He responded to Mollie's "I'm pretending to be town" with "I know you're town".

So, how/why are they odd? Where has she not explained her vote changes?

VOTE: four trouble

VOTE: jacob savage

VOTE: orcinus

VOTE: four trouble

The Thor vote she did explain, but only a little. This is what I mean when her voting pattern is weird by the way; usually she'll switch votes out of nowhere, without explanation, then post like nothing happened.

And it's a scumtell because?

Because random vote switching without explanation is scummy? Really, I don't know how to explain it.

[Human Destroyer]

Explain how that's a scumslip here?

Unless he's a daycop or scum, there's no way he'd know for sure who town and scum is.

Although, it is possible he just has a very strong town read on her and just stated it like a fact, so maybe I'm just wasting my time looking at it.

[Human Destroyer]

Scummily Copypasting what HD already said in hopes of us ignoring what you just did in lieu of you trying to give stuff, Jacob?

This so much goddammit

[Human Destroyer]

ok i'm back.

Mollie is the main wagon for now, yeah?

630 is absolutely terrible. It reeks of scum trying to make town question the blatantly obvious and ultimately themselves.

Interested to see if Voided has a response to this.

[Human Destroyer]

Thor stop trying to convince me to sheep you, Mollie's the only case I'd even care to sheep, and even then I find her scumminess weak; I prefer my vote where it is.

Did we miss deadline or is it just me?

Well one thing that sticks out in my mind Thor is you are not all bent to get me lynched? Which since in every game you have wanted to do I find that odd. You even tried to get me lynched in a game where I was already dead lol. So what is different now?

Is this going to matter for anything?

Already answered it in what you deem to be a satisfying manner, Voided.

...No you haven't.

Which question are you guys even talking about?

[Human Destroyer]

634 is a Jacob post

just sayin'

[Human Destroyer]

It will for me HD. This is a major change in Thor's behavior.

Let me make my question clearer.

Do you attribute his routine "going after you" to a specific alignment?

W/e. Point is, until he posted that on post on 27 he never posted after you told me about his own post on my 630, so there's no way he could've "answered adequately"

I'm going to assume you mean the one about his post not making sense, right?

[Human Destroyer]

I honestly thought he was town, I think I was mistaken though...

Any particular reason why, or are you just going with "Thor and Majiffy together must be right."?

(Spoilers: They're not)

[Human Destroyer]

Stalled wagons on Day 1 mean something.

Considering wagons stalled on Mollie and HD, would you put some stock into the possibility of Mollie being scum?

Those are quite different sort of wagons.
I will say if I am right about Human than Mollie is much more likely to be town - if that excites you.

Firstly, how are they different sorts of wagons?

Secondly, how does it make Mollie more likely to be town? Thirdly, is the inverse true? (If you're wrong about me [which you are], is Mollie much more likely to be scum?) (And yes, I actually do need that much clarification)

VOTE: RachMarie

Recent posts read like buddying up to the Thor/Majiffy wombo combo and expressing intent to sheep without actually sheeping.

(I actually forgot she was in this game for a while ;-;)

Ninja'd by Thor, relevant parts deleted.

[Human Destroyer]

EBWOP: relevant parts-->part, also it's the stuff in spoiler tags if you couldn't figure it out

[Human Destroyer]

I MEAN STRIKE TAGS

hng

[Human Destroyer]

Well I had to pick something to describe it, it was the first thing that came to my mind lol

[Human Destroyer]

HD town doesn't imply Mollie scum because scum would have just pushed the lynch through on HD whilst pointing towards an approaching deadline to absolve themselves of blame.
Mollie scum doesn't imply HD town because Mollie was the counterwagon; in other words, Mollie scum is more implicating of HD scum than it is of HD town as neither lynch was pushed through and the day was allowed to stagnate.

The first one makes sense.

The second one, however, would have to mean that the scum team was me/Mollie/Voided or me/Mollie/FT; don't Micro games usually have 2 scum? (Yes, I'm obviously not taking into account the cult here)

[Human Destroyer]

Because according to you it was a counterwagon forged by scum to cause a no lynch and prevent me from getting lynched.

Mollie would be scum on the flip

I would have to be scum for obvious reasons

Then Voided or FT would have to be scum for driving the counterwagon if said counterwagon was scum motivated like that scenario is saying

[Human Destroyer]

Oh yeah that makes more sense

I actually didn't realize deadline was approaching myself until it was past already, so that's why I didn't switch.

[Human Destroyer]

Like I said

until it was past already

[Human Destroyer]

I figured it wouldn't be counted even if I did switch

Besides I don't want to lynch myself just for the sake of getting a lynch in, I want to stay alive as much as anyone here :/

[Human Destroyer]

I figured it wouldn't be counted even if I did switch

[Human Destroyer]

How is making assumptions a scumtell?

[Human Destroyer]

Well I suppose you can

But only if there's a concession stand somewhere for the spectators

[Human Destroyer]

Also this is mafiascum

Why WOULDN'T you expect people to criticize you

[Human Destroyer]

Ah that's better, now back to the game

You could have voted and pushed Mollie.

Fair point, this.

I suppose it

is

fair, but I didn't really think of it at the time

[Human Destroyer]

I will bite ft.

VOTE: majiffy

Is this supposed to make sense

[Human Destroyer]

Could you explain how

Your mind isn't exactly transparent

[Human Destroyer]

So um yeah if Thor thinks HD is scum then he's probably scum.

If Thor and.Majiffy think HD is scum then it's almost definitely true...

There's a few problems with this:

1) Both players can be wrong.
2) One or both players can be scum pushing a mislynch.

So yeah your logic is flawed

[Human Destroyer]

Jacob still reads scum to me and I still don't see why people think he's town.

FT also strikes me as possible scum because he contributed somewhat early Day 1, then just flat out disappeared and stopped contributing completely.

Majiffy is null because I just haven't really seen anything out of him that might attribute him to either alignment.

Mollie could be scum but I kind of want to read Open 471 again because that's my experience with her as scum.

You're unreadable although your predecessor was kind of scummy; I find the result to be null.

Voided actually strikes me as townish now, but this is mostly gut

SCUM
Rach
Jacob
FT
Mollie
---
Thor
Majiffy
---
Voided
Myself
TOWN

Anyone above the first line would make a decent lynch.

[Human Destroyer]

@#789

Considering about 75-85% of your posts have been filler, I don't know why it's such a surprise to you I can't connect you with an alignment

The second one is just, like, your opinion man

---
@#790

Except I actually think you're both null

I'm not going to lie about my reads just because you two are pushing my lynch

[Human Destroyer]

Hey voided

You should sheep me

RM is a good lynch

Thor and Majiffy

You should get off me and stop tunneling the wrong guy

Majiffy P-Edit: I've already stated I find Thor to be unreadable, and I honestly don't know why I can't read you, also stop spamming post I'm not writing 4 P-Edits :l

Thor P-Edit: Incorrect. I'd expect you to figure out I'm town by now, but it seems that the concept is lost on you.

Majiffy 2nd P-Edit: I never said we were dealing with a 4 person scum-team, I said I have 4 scum reads that are pretty much independent of each other.

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Yeah I don't even know how to respond anymore :l

[Human Destroyer]

Well you're missing my Role PM and alignment but there's not really much we can do about that :/

[Human Destroyer]

HD why do you expect Thor to know you're town but you make no attempt to appeal in such a fashion to myself? Treating us differently implies you're reading us differently... which is strange, given that we're your only two null reads.

Thor has more of a reputation tbh, so I'm probably biased by that

Plus he has 2 scummies, he must be a good player (not that you're a bad one by any stretch)

You said you expected me to figure it out by now - so clearly there is something I should have been able to see. All I asked was 'what was that?'

I dunno, I was hoping

you'd

see something :/

This seems like trying to drive the wrong way on a 1 way street, so since a hammer is actually relatively likely from someone scummy like JacobScumage, I'll just claim VT now and save the trouble later

[Human Destroyer]

Thor has more of a reputation tbh, so I'm probably biased by that

Plus he has 2 scummies, he must be a good player (not that you're a bad one by any stretch)

I've been pushing just as hard, if not harder, than he has. Why have you shown no inclination to try to stop that?

Okay, this is a fair point.

Majiffy, stop tunneling me. Stop it NOW. Get off the wagon on town and start looking elsewhere for scum.

[Human Destroyer]

Judging by the current meta claiming VT doesn't seam actually that weird a claim from town. Stop it HD you're making me doubt myself!

Oh boy

Echoing what Voided said two posts above you and alleviating the tiniest amount of pressure certainly makes me consider you as a possible town-read

Yeah no that don't cut it

P-Edit: Mollie's okay, Rach and Jacob are better though

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Majiffy, stop tunneling me. Stop it NOW. Get off the wagon on town and start looking elsewhere for scum.

Why? Show me you're town. I'm pretty sure I've found scum.

I'm town because I'm not scum and I'm not a cultist, nor a combination of the two.

I can't be associated with any particular person or even group of people from my actions.

I've been trying to read most people in the game, and I think at least some of them are accurate.

I don't think my reactions have been scummy all game.

I think that's it.

[Human Destroyer]

orc

-

Being an attention whore

Drawing attention to self, probably town.

Voided

- That orc vote looks funny to me. Although I don't think his case is wrong, per se, I don't think it makes orc scummy.

Majiffy

- Is this the way Majiffy always plays? It really isn't very informative.

pirate mollie

- I feel like she's contributing almost nothing and is buddying with Majiffy.

Melmond

- He's so obvtown why are you guys even voting hi- oh wait that's my predecessor.

Siv

- Lack of contributions + Bandwagoning = possible scum.

Jacob

- V/LA, no idea how I'm supposed to read this guy.

FourTrouble

- Don't understand the case on him. Someone elaborate please.

RM

- The Melmond vote feels opportunistic. It screams bandwagon (to me, at least). Pappums seemed town to me though so I can let this slide.

VOTE: Siv

I'm divided between Siv, Voided, and Mollie. I'd say Siv is really my biggest scum read of the three so let's go with that.

Actually, I think everything before Thor replaced in should be proof enough

If it isn't I'd just like to throw out there that Voided should be sheeping the RM vote

Actually no who cares whether that's enough

VOIDED SHEEP THE RACH VOTE PLS

[Human Destroyer]

It shouldn't

I just want him to sheep it

[Human Destroyer]

Well let me clarify then

I'm not

[Human Destroyer]

Well fuck.

[Human Destroyer]

Nope, no dice.

[Human Destroyer]

are you feeling super frustrated right now? cos that is often how I feel when I find myself talking to no one but scum. the best thing you can do with your vote right now would be to place it on majiffy so that we have 2 solid competing bws. it will put voided and jacob in a position where they will have to choose between 2 centrifugal forces that are going on in this game. I recently learned this strategy from both majiffy and thor (and you booys think that I do not pay attention to you) for the style of this voting format. it is a way to optimize information that can be used for the next day round.

Yes I'm frustrated. So I'm supposed to vote someone who, tbh, doesn't really strike me as scummy? How about no, I have plenty of scumreads to go around. This actually looks like setting up a town v. town to me.

also you do realize that you told jacob that his reasoning lacked logic when he said that if thor said someone was scum and majiffy corroberates with thor's read, then that person must be scum and then later put thor as null based on his reputation, that that is a tad bit hypocritical? your reasoning is just as bad as jacob's and you might want to look at that.

You're mixing up my posts. He's not null based on reputation; he's null because I can't read the guy. I said I'm biased towards asking him to stop tunneling because of reputation. Bias is (almost) never logical, so I never said it was. Also you forget that he didn't take into account that Thor could be wrong or scum, which is what I called him out on.

you are also being super sticky with your reads by dragging what you said on d1 as if you somehow missed (or are deliberately ignoring) mine and thor's interactions. I would say I have contributed a good deal to this game. also I asked to start a dialogue between you and myself so why are you ignoring me but putting me in your scum pile?

I'm not ignoring the interactions between you and Thor; you are honestly the one that comes out scummier from that, not him. Also if you asked to start a dialogue I missed it, point it out please.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mollie

I give in, I'm sheeping Voided. Everyone else should too.

[Human Destroyer]

Hngfff I want to lynch you so bad

Still responding to Mollie though so

[Human Destroyer]

hd, plz do not take my post and insert your responses in them again. plz separate your responses out so that when people go back and reread your posts or mine there is a distinction that is very apparent to the reader. right now it looks like you are assigning things to me that I never said and I do not like that. it muddies up the game.

Not a problem.

Yes I'm frustrated. So I'm supposed to vote someone who, tbh, doesn't really strike me as scummy? How about no, I have plenty of scumreads to go around. This actually looks like setting up a town v. town to me.

I am asking you to vote a null read so that there are 2 competing wagons. it is early enough in the day round that the bws can shift.

Did you miss the setting up a situation with 2 town wagons or did you just choose to ignore it?

You're mixing up my posts. He's not null based on reputation; he's null because I can't read the guy. I said I'm biased towards asking him to stop tunneling because of reputation. Bias is (almost) never logical, so I never said it was. Also you forget that he didn't take into account that Thor could be wrong or scum, which is what I called him out on.

explain the bias

Bias as in "I'm more likely to talk to this guy because he has a greater reputation than the other guy who I probably should be talking to."

and yes I did take into account that thor could be wrong or scum (I actually think thor is scum at this point hence why I have been pointing out objective tells as he drops them. ftr, objective tells can sometimes be dropped by town but that is usually from sloppy players and I do not think thor is a sloppy player).

I was saying Jacob didn't take these things into account, not you.

I'm not ignoring the interactions between you and Thor; you are honestly the one that comes out scummier from that, not him. Also if you asked to start a dialogue I missed it, point it out please.

okay so plz explain as to why I look scummier than thor?

did you notice that thor has a town read on me?

you copypasta-ed the reasons for your reads from d1 and a lot has happened since then but you are not reevaluating or coming up with new reasons. this is called "being sticky with your reads" and is often a scumtell, however I cannot tell if it is one for you yet. in the completed game we played together the feedback you received was to slow down (it was in response to the lylo situ but is applicable to midgame too) and to do some reassessment of what is going on around you and I am asking you to do it now. also highlighting yourself as vt before you are even at L1 makes you a possible recruit for a cult faction and that would be dumb if you are town. some gms will allow prs to be recruited but not always so cult tends to go for vt unless they have an idea that that pr roles are recruitable.

Uh, what @ the bolded. I could've sworn he said he had a scum read on you. I didn't copy paste my reads, especially considering most of them changed. Also I was and still am at L-1, so what are you talking about with that.

what I am asking you is if you think I am scum then what are your current reasons. plz be specific and explain the scum motivation behind them tia

-Switching votes without an explanation and acting as if you never even voted them.
-Lots and lots of fluff (Majiffy is guilty of this too)
-Townread sheeping.
-I just don't like your Thor interactions, they just aren't looking good to me.

if you are town then I am sincerely trying to reach out to you and help you. the number one reason that town loses games is cos town cannot find each other. it worries me that in this set-up that a very recent game in which I was scum and you and voided were town and you guys lost.

Oh blah this is an appeal to the side of me that wants to fix up my play. No, I'm not falling for it.

I am going to explain some things to you and I want you to plz plz plz listen to me.

just take a step back and listen to me

. look at the game design...who do you think would be most likely recruited and who do you think would most likely be a nk? hands down everyone agrees that thor and majiffy are both pretty strong players so would be the most likely choice for both a and b. I can tell you right now that as scum I would have killed majiffy and as cult I would have tried to recruit jacob, not majiffy cos majiffy and I throw off too many associative tells that would have raised thor's eyebrows. but other people might have made different choices.

Who said I wasn't listening to you? Although the cult point is interesting, it really ends up in a lot of WIFOM that I'm not interested in thinking about; "Thor is a good recruit because he's a strong player. But wait, everyone will think he's cult because of that! So I'll recruit someone else. But maybe they're thinking I'll think of this...", etc. etc.

I think the orc kill points to a strong player who is able to assess whether or not someone is a pr or not but it is possible scum nked him cos they thought he was the cult leader since those tells can come across as looking similar. or they just thought that orc was a strong player which is absurd given the set-up and the players who are playing. ffs, you are not thinking you are reacting and that is not in the best interests of town if you are town. if you are scum who thought you could pull one over on thor and majiffy then

omg you have testicles the size of bowling balls.

you don't come across that way, you are coming across as confused town. you expect thor to be picking up on that and I agree so you should be asking yourself why he isn't.

Bolded gave me a chuckle, especially taken out of conte- I MEAN UH

I wouldn't say orc was playing strongly this game. He was kind of lurky, and if anything seemed like a weird kill.

Maybe Thor isn't picking up on that because he actually is town and doesn't have everyone's alignment on a silver platter? That's certainly a thought.

[Human Destroyer]

Hey FourTrouble I see you're online

This is the part where you sheep me

[Human Destroyer]

Also ugh did I actually just get myself into a quote war

I hate those

I really do

[Human Destroyer]

(Mollie, if you respond, don't expect me to respond back until after school tomorrow)

[Human Destroyer]

...was that a hammer?

I said it looked like she was setting up town v town, not that she was.

(Also when I said townread sheeping I meant I was sheeping my town read lol)

[Human Destroyer]

Yeah I think it was

Only read change is Majiffy is probably town if Mollie is scum.

P-Edit: Why the hell would you hammer when I'm having a quote war with Mollie? It's rude, ya know?

[Human Destroyer]

VOTE: HD

Fine have my vote Majiffy... seriously Mollie is town I don't think anyone can argue with that.

No she probably isn't, you're just being a mindless sheep

[Human Destroyer]

Well that or scum

Yeah scum is more likely

Rach, Jacob, Mollie are scum/cult

I'm still a VT

And yeah I guess that's it

RIP me

[Human Destroyer]

Oh wait

I thought it was 4 to lynch for some reason

Seems like I'm not dead yet!

Replies to mollie coming after school.

[Human Destroyer]

if this were a larger game with more players or a different set up then you

might

be able to push this idea. but in what started out as a 9 player game with 2 possible factions I highly doubt that!

My cult knowledge is iffy, but don't cults start out with 1 person only? And (going by Newbie setup) aren't there usually two scum in a game of 9? That would make 6 townies (without recruits obviously), now 5 with one nightkilled. So, uh, yeah, this is actually very possible.

okay. so what you are saying is that you are more likely to talk to thor than some other person whom you should probably be talking to and this somehow relates to thor's tunneling on you and his reputation. tunneling is a town tell btw, scum just try to get town lynched. I prefer the term trolleytracking myself cos that explains what actually happens when you are so focused on the puck you get blindsighted by the opposing team. but anyways I

think

I see where you are coming from although that would put thor into your town pile not your null one cos you are assigning town motivation behind what he was doing.

I suppose this is true. Well, except for the fact that tunneling can be scum too. So still null.

and this makes me wonder if you are even keeping up with the game cos I addressed it with thor. and I addressed it in what I said to you. thor asked me why my town game looked like my scum game. we have played 1 game together where I was scum and he was town. so he is implying that he thinks I am town in this game. if you would iso my posts you would see where I pointed this out.

Except he explicitly stated he had a scum read on you; saying your scum and town games look the same doesn't mean he has a town read on you; it doesn't even imply it.

-do you know what a pressure vote is. it is pretty silly to vote someone and state that it is a pressure vote cos it pretty much negates the point of a pressure vote. or a vote to see what happens. the 2 may not necessarily be mutually exclusive except with regards to the motivation behind it in that a pressure vote can be applied to one specific person while a random vote may be to fishing to see what other people do with it. I am actually doing both right now, just to be clear.
-not really. this just tells me you have not iso-ed my posts and might not have any idea wtf you are looking at. your subsequent responses tells me you are unwilling to learn.
-I am sheeping a null possible town read in a recruitment game. this is not fucking rocket science.
-yabbut you have to state

why

. I never said that majiffy looked scummy I am sheeping ft (and he better deliver) cos of game design.

1) Except that's pretty much what you've done the whole entire game. If you have a read on someone, you usually have a reason; if you have a reason, you should be stating it. You've stated almost no reasons for any of your votes in this game; there's no way they're all pressure votes.
2) Yes, you do have a lot of fluff posts, don't start lying on me.
3) I meant I was sheeping my townread, it isn't scummy that you are lol
4) Voided explained this better than I ever could.

okay if you really are town be prepared for some blistering feedback postgame.

The difference here is that it looks more like an appeal; you're using Open 471 as an example to get me to follow you. I'm all fine and stuff with postgame advice, but during the game, eh, depends on context. I didn't like the context, so it makes me feel there's an appeal going on there.

thor is a poor choice for a recruit cos he is right he has to deal with the "why is thor still alive on d3" meta which I understand cos I have had to deal with that too (at ratskep).

Except you didn't address the WIFOM point which was really what was meant to be addressed here, I just used Thor as an example.

okay so let's look at that. why do you think I was asking the more experienced players who was a good pr hunter on here? the nk was a special so no, not that weird. plus scum could have thought he looked cultish. a cult, scum, and a pr will look the same to town cos each will unconsciously present more knowledge of what is going on in the game than vt.

This is possible I suppose, except as far as I can tell orc didn't really drop any PR/cult tells. Maybe I just missed them?

or he does cos he has inside knowledge of other players alignments cos of an anti-town role. just a thought.

Presenting another example doesn't change anything; I presented an example where you could be wrong, proving that your theory isn't necessarily right

[Human Destroyer]

This is referring to the post directly above yours?

Correct.

[Human Destroyer]

...why would you wait till now to claim cop?

[Human Destroyer]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Majiffy

I probably only believe the claim because I want to, but whatever

[Human Destroyer]

Even if I

was

cult, I wouldn't tell the person I culted to claim cop

It would be dumb as hell

[Human Destroyer]

That...actually makes sense

If Majiffy is scum Rach's probably his partner

Cult idrk

[Human Destroyer]

Would be logical, except I'm not the cult leader

Nice try though

[Human Destroyer]

FT you better be real goddammit

[Human Destroyer]

If Majiffy flips town then both FT and Rach need to go.

Rach needs to go regardless of Majiffy's alignment tbh

[Human Destroyer]

Unfortunately I'm not cult

Well at least not yet

[Human Destroyer]

I guess this means Majiffy was the only one with killing power?

Most likely.

I want to vote but I don't know how this cult works and if they actually got two recruits, it's LYLO. I think it's pretty clear by now though that the cult replaces the scum team though.

[Human Destroyer]

@Jacob: If you think Voided is the cult leader, why doesn't your vote reflect that?

@Voided: Would you like to explain how I went from a townread to a scumread? Thanks.

@Rach: STOP BEING SHEEPY AND ECHOEY SKJDBKSJDBKSJBDKJSB

[Human Destroyer]

Voided why do you suspect Mollie and HD? I could see HD as scum, not so sure about him being the Cult Leader though...

Yet, last time I checked, you had no case on me.

Because it rather lynch someone I am almost certain is cult rather someone that is possibly a leader, HD.

Because quite possibly Majiffy thought that Orc was more likely to be scum. Can you think of a reason given that Majiffy is an SK that your argument holds up?

Think of it this way: if we lynch the leader, we win. If we don't, we just go into LYLO yet again the next day, this time with one more cult member.

[Human Destroyer]

I don't really know. I've never played with a cult before.

[Human Destroyer]

Voided, isn't there the possibility FT was recruited or concluded Majiffy was SK through use of his own recruit ability?

[Human Destroyer]

I think I get what you're saying, but if my memory serves, isn't it true that cults can't usually recruit non-town members?

[Human Destroyer]

The wiki says they can't recruit Mafioso, but technically SK isn't a mafiaso

TBH I don't really know

[Human Destroyer]

Or:

Voided is Cult Leader.

Think about it.

Voided cults either Jacob or Rach N1 since they've flown under the radar for pretty much the whole game.

Voided then cults claimed cop (FT) N2 for obvious reasons, tells FT to fake an innocent on Voided. Voided gets Rach/Jacob lynched to get towncred to "prove" FT isn't lying.

N3, cults Thor, gets him lynched D4, pretty much becomes conf-town.

Does anyone else follow this?

[Human Destroyer]

I have more good ideas than I should ^_^

[Human Destroyer]

I claimed VT when someone faked a hammer on me yesterday

But whatever I'll be nice and claim it again

[Human Destroyer]

Says the guy that posted once every 10 pages

I'd personally like a Rach lynch but I'm willing to hear other thoughts I guess

[Human Destroyer]

I'd personally like a Rach lynch but I'm willing to hear other thoughts I guess

Want to reply to my rather extensive thoughts?

Sure.
Out of the two (FT and Voided), it would almost definitely have to be FT.

Voided could've been recruited cult N1 that forgot his original role so just said VT, or he couod be genuine. Either way, I doubt he's the recruiter.

I'm starting to realize Rach may be a meatshield for the recruiter; ProHawk had to do that to keep me alive in a recent scum game of ours. (Micro 111)

The receiving the results not in the form of Town/Cult is a point that makes me rather suspicious as well.

[Human Destroyer]

Hai

Intent to Hammer

[Human Destroyer]

lol chk just went to prod me after I made that post

[Human Destroyer]

We have time.

Any objections?

[Human Destroyer]

I WAS RIGHT ON THE FIRST TRY

DAMMIT

[Human Destroyer]

Also you should've recruited me and let me win too

[Human Destroyer]

You have to be kinda careful with flavor like that if you want to avoid set up spec.

If you don't care about that it should be fine.

[Human Destroyer]

lol that was fast