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Post #78 (isolation #6) » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:48 pm
Postby BlueBloodedToffee »
In post 50, Hiraki wrote:No, there is literally no reason why anyone should be confused and if they are, a simple explanation is in order. Use any form of denomination. For reference, I will call anyone that is town scum and anyone that is scum town.
Well if different people use different terms it can become difficult to read, not to mention it would also be quite easy to explain your way out of any slip that might be made. Just trying to keep the game simple, not sure what you're problem is.
In post 54, ZZZX wrote:I am 65% sure that salmance isnt of my allignment.
My gut says to lynch you. Magic says to lynch you.
My cat says to lynch you.
Come on ****ing scumbags let lynch this town peice of mason.
Ok?
And this. I can't remember who said you were starting this wagon as a joke (GP?) but I don't read it that way.
In post 69, kyndy101 wrote:
Back to the game..
I think a Shreddie lynch would be close to scum as we can get. By scum, I mean mason.
Just... judging by the posts and interactions, I'm pretty comfortable with this lynch.
Shreddie, u scum bro?
Square ur react is still scummy to a rvs vote. I really think salmance is off ( I played over 5 games containing a few Maras with both of them.
Game play is acting townish and sns is sns so idk yet. Putting the wagon at l1 is a bad move that allows Derby hammers
This looks like an attempt to distance yourself from a wagon you know to be bad. If this were a newbie game, I may believe your line a little more. In this game, I don't buy an unvote because of a possible derby hammer.
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Post #81 (isolation #8) » Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:06 am
Postby BlueBloodedToffee »
In post 80, ZZZX wrote:
i have seen more derp town hammers than you can imagine. i still think we need square lynched but not yet
Still, even if he did get hammered, what does that matter if you still think they are the best lynch? By delaying, you're surely just giving scum a chance to direct a lynch somewhere else and muddy the waters?
I don't like your early posting or you're reasoning either. I don't see this coming from a mafia perspective.
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Post #83 (isolation #9) » Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:40 am
Postby BlueBloodedToffee »
In post 82, ZZZX wrote:
I dont even care what you think(This was edited to avoid putting some insults here) but let me be clear
I do what I have to do to win from my allignment. My actions are the best for me as a member of the Uninformed Majority and thus I will continue to do it even if you all think I will be scum for it. beecause I never gave a .... about what people think. My logic was flawless at best and fine at worst. If you find it Not good for the Uninformed majority then its your own weakness in understanding. yet the way you try to push it and nitpick it is clearly not from a town perspective
a genereal "your logic is not town" is the best scumhunting a member of the informed minority can do since it really doesnt require any explination. Yet you are working on a chainsaw def right here.
I will push you too since I feel you are bad
Vote BBT
I will need to re-read the newbie game we did together to check your real allignment however.
Pretty sure I provided an explanation for my vote.
A load of fluff and an OMGUS vote all in one post.
Square ur react is still scummy to a rvs vote. I really think salmance is off ( I played over 5 games containing a few Maras with both of them.
Game play is acting townish and sns is sns so idk yet. Putting the wagon at l1 is a bad move that allows Derby hammers
This looks like an attempt to distance yourself from a wagon you know to be bad. If this were a newbie game, I may believe your line a little more. In this game, I don't buy an unvote because of a possible derby hammer.
In post 50, Hiraki wrote:No, there is literally no reason why anyone should be confused and if they are, a simple explanation is in order. Use any form of denomination. For reference, I will call anyone that is town scum and anyone that is scum town.
Well if different people use different terms it can become difficult to read, not to mention it would also be quite easy to explain your way out of any slip that might be made. Just trying to keep the game simple, not sure what you're problem is.
In post 54, ZZZX wrote:I am 65% sure that salmance isnt of my allignment.
My gut says to lynch you. Magic says to lynch you.
My cat says to lynch you.
Come on ****ing scumbags let lynch this town peice of mason.
Ok?
And this. I can't remember who said you were starting this wagon as a joke (GP?) but I don't read it that way.
In post 69, kyndy101 wrote:
Back to the game..
I think a Shreddie lynch would be close to scum as we can get. By scum, I mean mason.
Just... judging by the posts and interactions, I'm pretty comfortable with this lynch.
Shreddie, u scum bro?
Vote: Shreddie
This is a bad vote as well.
ZZZX and Kyndy are pinging my scumdar.
Le Analysis
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This looks like an attempt to distance yourself from a wagon you know to be bad. If this were a newbie game, I may believe your line a little more. In this game, I don't buy an unvote because of a possible derby hammer.
I never distanced myself away from the wagon. If you read my posts it clearly says I will be there to vote/hammer when I get the info I need from this day.Quick days are scum driven. You dont buy an unvote because of a derby hammer? No thanks.
And this. I can't remember who said you were starting this wagon as a joke (GP?) but I don't read it that way.
RVS post. Must be really srs
I don't like this.
Lolk
Now can you shut the **** up about having a case and present a better one? My RVS vote is even more valid than your case on me. GOSH
Lol. You're expecting a super-deep analytical case on page 4? Come on now, you can do better than that.
I hammered my self in the last we need a fifth. Because my partner was a little bit active at that period it gave us the win. Quick days are never in town's favor. Unless you can prove me wrong.
But if you think you have scum, why wait? All it does is give them a chance to direct a lynch elsewhere and possibly save themselves.
If I think somebody is scum, I want them lynched as quickly as possible. I don't want to wait for another 10 pages of posting before they get lynched.
You unvoted but still maintained that Shreddies was your preferred lynch. Plus the fact you used a weak 'don't want no derp hammers reason' for unvoting.
Both heads agree that you guys are after the wrong vote
VOTE: SNS
I'm not sure about sns. His vote just comes across as too brazen to be scum for me, like 'yeah whatever, I'll jump on this wagon.
I don't like his latest post though so I hope that's not his only contribution. Especially given I don't think the recent posts from myself and ZZZX have been
@SNS - I agree with Shreddies. Why did you not mention you thought he was joking? It certainly wasn't clear because I read it as he wasn't joking and said so in an earlier post.
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Post #118 (isolation #15) » Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:27 am
Postby BlueBloodedToffee »
In post 113, Square Shreddies wrote:The whole "I didn't care. Wasn't it a joke?" act. You're still doing it.
Eh, I'm pretty confident you're scum at this point. BBT's soft defence of you makes it kind of clear he's your partner.
Somehow missed this.
How was it a soft defend? You thought I was pursuing the wrong person so I gave my interpretation of sns' vote in the hope you would join me on the ZZZX wagon.
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Post #121 (isolation #16) » Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:48 am
Postby BlueBloodedToffee »
In post 120, gameplay506 wrote:
Also BBT as I said I thought ZZZX was joking. And he was really trolly tho. So why do you think it was a serious wagon?
I don't know, it was just the way I read it. I obviously wasn't the only one who didn't know whether he was joking or not either.
I would have thought had ZZZX been joking he would have mentioned this in his unvoting of Shreddies, but he didn't. He claimed during his unvote that he thinks Shreddies is the best lynch, so I don't see how he can be joking.
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Post #125 (isolation #17) » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:40 am
Postby BlueBloodedToffee »
In post 124, gameplay506 wrote:So I actually agree with post 61 that ZZZX OMGUS'ses as scum and that is what bothers me in the ZZZX/BBT thing. Also after re-reading 61 the reasons there don't seem awful anymore and taking into account the speed of which this wagon developed I think Shreddies might be town.
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Post #159 (isolation #18) » Wed Jul 30, 2014 8:32 pm
Postby BlueBloodedToffee »
Hiraki explaining my own case better than I could have, wtf.
ZZZX the fact you're trying to rely on meta to get yourself out of this means I really want to see you get lynched. I don't understand why you're trying to produce associative tells this early in the game when we have had no flips/information to go off.
How can you say me and Shreddies are scum? It's not like I'm defending Shreddies, it's more about what you have done that makes you look scummy. I questioned you for getting off the Shreddies wagon, not staying on.
The vote and initial case was kind of a reaction test; I like to try and put early cases together to see how the person responds to the case, how other people respond to the case and if a wagon takes off who jumps on it. I feel your response was just way over the top and I'm pretty sure you're scum now.
Your bad way of playing is the reason scum can easily mislynch you. I am still not sure of your allignment but it leaning scum. Only reason I am not 100% sure is because you did something scummy in 1510 but I cant be too sure.
Mainly your logic is as good as mine if not worse.
Also here is a little game of you. Make a single post and ask me anything you want. ANYTHING. ANd I will be sure to give you a satisfying answer
That's interesting because I've never been mislynched. So something ain't right there I'm afraid.
I would hope you were leaning scum on me given that you still have your vote on me.
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Post #170 (isolation #23) » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:35 am
Postby BlueBloodedToffee »
In post 169, kyndy101 wrote:
Zzzx, if I were to vote on my gut again, I wouldn't even be saying this, because to me all your posts seem quite scummy. I'll go into this sometime later, because I'm just not sure about you or BBT right now..
How would your vote be gut if you're reading his posts as scummy? If his posts are scummy, you should be voting for him...that's what town do.
In post 169, kyndy101 wrote:
Zzzx, if I were to vote on my gut again, I wouldn't even be saying this, because to me all your posts seem quite scummy. I'll go into this sometime later, because I'm just not sure about you or BBT right now..
How would your vote be gut if you're reading his posts as scummy? If his posts are scummy, you should be voting for him...that's what town do.
Would you do that if you pretty much know that player's playstyle is basically making scummy post (intentianally or not)
Are you saying you're intentionally scummy all the time?
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Post #180 (isolation #25) » Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:22 am
Postby BlueBloodedToffee »
In post 177, ZZZX wrote:
I thought about this for a moment before posting it but decided to take the risk. A good scum player would leave them mislynches for later. Going for harder lynches based on logical wars is risky early on but if you reach later on it basically allows scum players to skyrocket.
However as "the uninformed majority" we cant recognize easily between legit mislynches and scum. I am voting BBT to see which one of it is (and he is mostly scummy atm)
In post 90, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
But if you think you have scum, why wait? All it does is give them a chance to direct a lynch elsewhere and possibly save themselves.
If I think somebody is scum, I want them lynched as quickly as possible. I don't want to wait for another 10 pages of posting before they get lynched.
You unvoted but still maintained that Shreddies was your preferred lynch. Plus the fact you used a weak 'don't want no derp hammers reason' for unvoting.
What are you waiting for?
Where am I screaming that speed-lynches are bad? Or have you made that up?
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Post #191 (isolation #27) » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:45 am
Postby BlueBloodedToffee »
How are we supposed to know that 3rd on your list is semi-nul? I mean seriously. So you're pretty much town-reading everyone after 3rd? That's convenient.
I'm somewhat surprised you're still town-reading gameplay. You know he just voted for you right?
You're not being scum-read for your 'serious playstyle'. You're being scum-read because your posts look scummy, your arguments don't make sense and you're being illogical.
Because SNS is whining to replace out because... Why?
Both heads may have to disagree with ZZZX right now, but I dont want hammer yet.
Rather more pressure on SNS, need to read up on BBT/Hiraki fight later.
-Sally
Aww man, I thought the answer was coming for why SNS was replacing out and then.... Not cool.
I don't understand how people are town-reading ZZZX's reactions and posts. I genuinely don't. Is it meta-based coz that's the only explanation I can think of? (a piss poor one, but an explanation nonetheless.)
PEdit - Should say right now that Kyndy would be my second choice. One of my first posts questions both hers and ZZZX's votes on the SS wagon. That post she quoted from ZZZX is also strange, so yeah, let's go down this road.
You could well be right; you have just as much chance of being right as I have.
I could show you 2 games where I have played this way as scum and town. How would you use that meta? It's the same playstyle and same posting but from two different alignments.
Meta is a good tool for people who have already made up their minds or already know the alignment of the player they are meta'ing (not in this case I don't think), so they sift through previous games with tainted glasses.
*sigh*
Really, my reads are all over the place.
BlueBloodedToffee - Null, leaning scum
gameplay506 - null, leaning town
Hiraki - null
Jet Skiies - null, leaning scum
BBMolla
RubikAshtray
- Null, leaning scum
Ki-Gi
snscompt1
- null
Square Shreddies - null, leaning town
ZZZX - Null, leaning town sometimes and leaning scum sometimes depending on how you look at things.
The reason everyone is also NULL is because you guys all flip flop in my reads every once in a while and you're all hard to define in one category.
(When I say town, I mean mafia. When I say scum, I mean masons.)
Is this serious? Are you actually being serious right here?
In post 325, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:It's fairly obvious that Kyndy isn't even reading the game...I wonder what alignment she would be more likely to do this as. Hmm...
I assumed you said that out of experience with Kyndy? or was it just general reading?
Never played with Kyndy before.
I said that because one alignment doesn't really need to focus on the game because they know who they need to lynch/kill.
In post 330, Ki-Gi wrote:Hello everyone. Just read the thread at a rather brisk pace and here are my thoughts. Until someone goes against ZZZX's roleclaim, he is essentially a confirmed town (Mafia, I know) in my eyes. As for reads, I have semi-neutral reads on most of you but one read strongly leans scum, and that's Jet Skiies. Simply put, lurkers are scum, and Jet has even tried to excuse himself for lurking (Post #145). Post #140 looks to me like Jet Skiies knows that ZZZX is a confused, likely-to-be-lynched town so by defending him he'll gain the town's trust when ZZZX flips town after a lynch. The reason it seems this way is because the defense is so poor. Who defends an OMGUS? That's one of Jet's few posts where he actually tries to explain his actions, and that's out of a low post count anyway. I'll post all of my reads after a more thorough read of the thread but for now...
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Post #345 (isolation #54) » Fri Aug 01, 2014 5:29 am
Postby BlueBloodedToffee »
In post 341, Ki-Gi wrote:
BlueBloodedToffee - Neutral Leaning Scum
As gameplay pointed out, it is rather strange to me that BBT made a serious response to an RVS vote from kyndy. That could mean he's trying to over-assert himself as a scumhunter. And to make matters worse, he's maintained that over-assertive attitude for the entirety of the game thus far. However, the reason he's overall a neutral read for me is that this could easily be an aspect of his regular play style that I haven't been accustomed to yet. If it is, I'll back down for the time being. But right now I don't think that's the case.
I'm generally quite an aggressive player. It's very much a playstyle thing as I'm sure you will figure out.
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Post #348 (isolation #55) » Fri Aug 01, 2014 5:31 am
Postby BlueBloodedToffee »
I could explain why but you've just addressed one of the main problems (too many neutral reads). Lurkers are not conf-scum either, plus you jumped on the leading wagon (having not read the game thoroughly)
In post 348, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I could explain why but you've just addressed one of the main problems (too many neutral reads). Lurkers are not conf-scum either, plus you jumped on the leading wagon (having not read the game thoroughly)
I have literally zero pure neutral reads. And why is jumping on the leading wagon suspicious? Maybe it's the leading wagon for a reason. I wouldn't have made that vote if Jet hadn't jumped out at me as a scum read.
It became the leading wagon through Jet's inactivity, so yeah, hardly a good wagon. Like I said, you addressed your neutral reads in your second post, which I wasn't expecting to come quite so quickly.
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Post #358 (isolation #57) » Fri Aug 01, 2014 5:49 am
Postby BlueBloodedToffee »
In post 355, Ki-Gi wrote:
@BBT Why is that hardly a good wagon? Lurkers are scum, I stand by that. If we let lurking, particularly from a Hydra, go unpunished, we let scum slip by us every game while we run circles around each other.
I already explained why it wasn't a good wagon. Not all lurkers are scum, I would say that Jet was more inactive as opposed to lurking which are two different things.
Lurkers can be scum, yes. I certainly wouldn't let someone slip by a whole day lurking, but this early in the game, I'm not really too concerned with it.
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Post #360 (isolation #58) » Fri Aug 01, 2014 5:57 am
Postby BlueBloodedToffee »
In post 359, Ki-Gi wrote:Regarding both of your posts, that's another thing that strikes me as strange from you two. You're both pretending that the only reason I voted for Jet was because he was lurking. I gave specific posts that I took issue with. SS literally just asked me for more reasons when I HAD "more reasons". And BBT, why would you say Jet is "inactive" rather than lurking? Also, what are your reads?
I believe Espresso (part of the Jet hydra) said he was busy IRL which means that he was probably not posting elsewhere on the forum. That's the difference between inactivity and lurking.
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Post #364 (isolation #59) » Fri Aug 01, 2014 6:09 am
Postby BlueBloodedToffee »
In post 362, Ki-Gi wrote:So we agree on those two reads, BBT. But regarding the inactivity/lurking shtick you've got, I agree that there's a difference, and that difference is that for an inactive player, the posts that they do have indicate a genuine scumhunting effort to make up for their inactivity and reason with everyone else.
A lurker, on the other hand, makes little to no effort to explain their votes or their opinions and often uses cheap tactics to detour everyone from how little they're actually contributing to the thread.
Five reasons why Jet is scum:
1. Lurking. Granted, by my definition may overlap with other reasons, but the lack of posts still stands as its own reason.
2. (NEW) First post being a still-unexplained obscure vote, along with emphasis that the "vote stays" later on.
3. Defending an OMGUS post because they likely have knowledge that the person they're defending is a town who (at the point they made the defense post) might get lynched.
4. (NEW) Serious response to a non-serious SS post. (Post #278)
5. (NEW) Whining about the thread. Typical scum move trying to sound like a lazy let holier-than-thou town. gameplay did this at one point but Jet took it to another level.
@Bold - Describes Kyndy pretty well don't you think?