Micro 369 - Diamond Shreddies (Game Over)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Sns

Coz you fooled me as scum last game we played. I would also like to see you die.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hahaha I love being able to claim scum and not get lynched! This is an awesome setup!

Since two of you know SnS to be a formidable character, I think I'll cast my random vote to him.

VOTE: sns

Umm, no they haven't. I said he fooled me in our last game, but GP said he needs to die with no reasoning.

That's also not a random vote if you're voting because he is 'formidable'

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hahaha ok then but my vote still stands I've never seen him play, I don't know if he is deceptive or not; But, meh. Rvs.

It was more due to my mistake of trusting somebody else's read.

Sns, I don't think you're formidable.

Come at me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Pleaseee. Both of our votes were RVS votes so don't try to paint me.

I think you may have misunderstood my post.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Explain it to me now. Before I go to bed. Now. DO IT!
bins I know you are a little ... Sweet child.

Don't be lazy. Go work it out.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Can we stick with Masons and Mafia please, otherwise this is gonna get confusing.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No, there is literally no reason why anyone should be confused and if they are, a simple explanation is in order. Use any form of denomination. For reference, I will call anyone that is town scum and anyone that is scum town.

Well if different people use different terms it can become difficult to read, not to mention it would also be quite easy to explain your way out of any slip that might be made. Just trying to keep the game simple, not sure what you're problem is.

I am 65% sure that salmance isnt of my allignment.

Can we speed lynch this plz?

I don't like this.

k
too forced. Meter rose to 70%

My gut says to lynch you. Magic says to lynch you.


My cat says to lynch you.

Come on ****ing scumbags let lynch this town peice of mason.

Ok?

And this. I can't remember who said you were starting this wagon as a joke (GP?) but I don't read it that way.

Back to the game..
I think a Shreddie lynch would be close to scum as we can get. By scum, I mean mason.
Just... judging by the posts and interactions, I'm pretty comfortable with this lynch.
Shreddie, u scum bro?

Vote: Shreddie

This is a bad vote as well.

ZZZX and Kyndy are pinging my scumdar.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

unvote

Square ur react is still scummy to a rvs vote. I really think salmance is off ( I played over 5 games containing a few Maras with both of them.
Game play is acting townish and sns is sns so idk yet. Putting the wagon at l1 is a bad move that allows Derby hammers

This looks like an attempt to distance yourself from a wagon you know to be bad. If this were a newbie game, I may believe your line a little more. In this game, I don't buy an unvote because of a possible derby hammer.

VOTE: ZZZX

[BlueBloodedToffee]

i have seen more derp town hammers than you can imagine. i still think we need square lynched but not yet

Still, even if he did get hammered, what does that matter if you still think they are the best lynch? By delaying, you're surely just giving scum a chance to direct a lynch somewhere else and muddy the waters?

I don't like your early posting or you're reasoning either. I don't see this coming from a mafia perspective.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I dont even care what you think(This was edited to avoid putting some insults here) but let me be clear

I do what I have to do to win from my allignment. My actions are the best for me as a member of the Uninformed Majority and thus I will continue to do it even if you all think I will be scum for it. beecause I never gave a .... about what people think. My logic was flawless at best and fine at worst. If you find it Not good for the Uninformed majority then its your own weakness in understanding. yet the way you try to push it and nitpick it is clearly not from a town perspective

a genereal "your logic is not town" is the best scumhunting a member of the informed minority can do since it really doesnt require any explination. Yet you are working on a chainsaw def right here.

I will push you too since I feel you are bad

Vote BBT

I will need to re-read the newbie game we did together to check your real allignment however.

Pretty sure I provided an explanation for my vote.

A load of fluff and an OMGUS vote all in one post.

I'd like to see you get lynched now.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I cant find your explination. Can you point it out?

Nah, read my posts.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

ZZZX's Grand Spotlight!

Le Quotes

Spoiler:

unvote

Square ur react is still scummy to a rvs vote. I really think salmance is off ( I played over 5 games containing a few Maras with both of them.
Game play is acting townish and sns is sns so idk yet. Putting the wagon at l1 is a bad move that allows Derby hammers

This looks like an attempt to distance yourself from a wagon you know to be bad. If this were a newbie game, I may believe your line a little more. In this game, I don't buy an unvote because of a possible derby hammer.

VOTE: ZZZX

No, there is literally no reason why anyone should be confused and if they are, a simple explanation is in order. Use any form of denomination. For reference, I will call anyone that is town scum and anyone that is scum town.

Well if different people use different terms it can become difficult to read, not to mention it would also be quite easy to explain your way out of any slip that might be made. Just trying to keep the game simple, not sure what you're problem is.

I am 65% sure that salmance isnt of my allignment.

Can we speed lynch this plz?

I don't like this.

k
too forced. Meter rose to 70%

My gut says to lynch you. Magic says to lynch you.


My cat says to lynch you.

Come on ****ing scumbags let lynch this town peice of mason.

Ok?

And this. I can't remember who said you were starting this wagon as a joke (GP?) but I don't read it that way.

Back to the game..
I think a Shreddie lynch would be close to scum as we can get. By scum, I mean mason.
Just... judging by the posts and interactions, I'm pretty comfortable with this lynch.
Shreddie, u scum bro?

Vote: Shreddie

This is a bad vote as well.

ZZZX and Kyndy are pinging my scumdar.

Le Analysis

Spoiler:

This looks like an attempt to distance yourself from a wagon you know to be bad. If this were a newbie game, I may believe your line a little more. In this game, I don't buy an unvote because of a possible derby hammer.

I never distanced myself away from the wagon. If you read my posts it clearly says I will be there to vote/hammer when I get the info I need from this day.Quick days are scum driven. You dont buy an unvote because of a derby hammer? No thanks.

And this. I can't remember who said you were starting this wagon as a joke (GP?) but I don't read it that way.

RVS post. Must be really srs

I don't like this.

Lolk

Now can you shut the **** up about having a case and present a better one? My RVS vote is even more valid than your case on me. GOSH

Lol. You're expecting a super-deep analytical case on page 4? Come on now, you can do better than that.

Out of interest, why are quick days scum-driven?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Because they lead to low info.

I hammered my self in the last we need a fifth. Because my partner was a little bit active at that period it gave us the win. Quick days are never in town's favor. Unless you can prove me wrong.

But if you think you have scum, why wait? All it does is give them a chance to direct a lynch elsewhere and possibly save themselves.

If I think somebody is scum, I want them lynched as quickly as possible. I don't want to wait for another 10 pages of posting before they get lynched.

You unvoted but still maintained that Shreddies was your preferred lynch. Plus the fact you used a weak 'don't want no derp hammers reason' for unvoting.

What are you waiting for?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Im not sure why kyndy is being attack for her vote over SNS.

Both heads agree that you guys are after the wrong vote

VOTE: SNS

I'm not sure about sns. His vote just comes across as too brazen to be scum for me, like 'yeah whatever, I'll jump on this wagon.

I don't like his latest post though so I hope that's not his only contribution. Especially given I don't think the recent posts from myself and ZZZX have been

that

long

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Oh Jet Skies why are you so inactive?

Rubikashtray hasn't even posted yet either.

@SNS - I agree with Shreddies. Why did you not mention you thought he was joking? It certainly wasn't clear because I read it as he wasn't joking and said so in an earlier post.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

The whole "I didn't care. Wasn't it a joke?" act. You're still doing it.

Eh, I'm pretty confident you're scum at this point. BBT's soft defence of you makes it kind of clear he's your partner.

Somehow missed this.

How was it a soft defend? You thought I was pursuing the wrong person so I gave my interpretation of sns' vote in the hope you would join me on the ZZZX wagon.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Also BBT as I said I thought ZZZX was joking. And he was really trolly tho. So why do you think it was a serious wagon?

I don't know, it was just the way I read it. I obviously wasn't the only one who didn't know whether he was joking or not either.

I would have thought had ZZZX been joking he would have mentioned this in his unvoting of Shreddies, but he didn't. He claimed during his unvote that he thinks Shreddies is the best lynch, so I don't see how he can be joking.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

So I actually agree with post 61 that ZZZX OMGUS'ses as scum and that is what bothers me in the ZZZX/BBT thing. Also after re-reading 61 the reasons there don't seem awful anymore and taking into account the speed of which this wagon developed I think Shreddies might be town.

You can move your vote onto ZZZX now then yeah?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hiraki explaining my own case better than I could have, wtf.

ZZZX the fact you're trying to rely on meta to get yourself out of this means I really want to see you get lynched. I don't understand why you're trying to produce associative tells this early in the game when we have had no flips/information to go off.

How can you say me and Shreddies are scum? It's not like I'm defending Shreddies, it's more about what you have done that makes you look scummy. I questioned you for getting off the Shreddies wagon, not staying on.

The vote and initial case was kind of a reaction test; I like to try and put early cases together to see how the person responds to the case, how other people respond to the case and if a wagon takes off who jumps on it. I feel your response was just way over the top and I'm pretty sure you're scum now.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Seriously, that's all you're going to respond to?

Can we lynch ZZZX now please.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You are doing what you blamed me 4 doing

lol

Am I? Is that post from Shreddies the only post you deemed worthy of replying to?

I'm confused by what you think I'm doing...

[BlueBloodedToffee]

BBT is playing derb again

What did you mean by this?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

BBT is playing derb again

What did you mean by this?

Your bad way of playing is the reason scum can easily mislynch you. I am still not sure of your allignment but it leaning scum. Only reason I am not 100% sure is because you did something scummy in 1510 but I cant be too sure.

Mainly your logic is as good as mine if not worse.

Also here is a little game of you. Make a single post and ask me anything you want. ANYTHING. ANd I will be sure to give you a satisfying answer

That's interesting because I've never been mislynched. So something ain't right there I'm afraid.

I would hope you were leaning scum on me given that you still have your vote on me.

Would be pretty silly otherwise.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Zzzx, if I were to vote on my gut again, I wouldn't even be saying this, because to me all your posts seem quite scummy. I'll go into this sometime later, because I'm just not sure about you or BBT right now..

How would your vote be gut if you're reading his posts as scummy? If his posts are scummy, you should be voting for him...that's what town do.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Zzzx, if I were to vote on my gut again, I wouldn't even be saying this, because to me all your posts seem quite scummy. I'll go into this sometime later, because I'm just not sure about you or BBT right now..

How would your vote be gut if you're reading his posts as scummy? If his posts are scummy, you should be voting for him...that's what town do.

Would you do that if you pretty much know that player's playstyle is basically making scummy post (intentianally or not)

Are you saying you're intentionally scummy all the time?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I thought about this for a moment before posting it but decided to take the risk. A good scum player would leave them mislynches for later. Going for harder lynches based on logical wars is risky early on but if you reach later on it basically allows scum players to skyrocket.

However as "the uninformed majority" we cant recognize easily between legit mislynches and scum. I am voting BBT to see which one of it is (and he is mostly scummy atm)

My reads in decending order (SCUM >> TOWN)

Hiraki
BBT
RubikAshtray
kyndy
Jetskiiess
Squad Shreddies
gameplay
sns
ZZZX

Wait, what? So Hiraki is your highest scum-read...that makes sense given your vote is on him...oh no, it isn't, my bad.

Then I saw we have a player who hasn't even posted yet 3rd on your scum list. Well, this is just fantastic.

Also, thinking about your posts is more likely to come from scum than town. Just sayin'.

I honestly don't understand why you haven't been lynched yet.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

1- Pressuring you gives me more info

2- He is 3rd on my list BECAUSE he didnt post

3- Again general case. Where is the case? Give me a single post and tell me "THIS POST IS SCUM-MADE BECAUSE 1234"

4- Oh scream at people for possible quick lynch then wanting a quicklynch yourself.

Such Scum Much wow

I'm being totally serious now, are you reading this game?

1. You're hardly applying pressure and you're getting the wrong info by the looks of it.

2. If he hasn't posted, he is NULL at best, not scum.

3. I said thinking about your posts is something scum is more likely to do than town. Can't make it any clearer.

4.

Out of interest, why are quick days scum-driven?

But if you think you have scum, why wait? All it does is give them a chance to direct a lynch elsewhere and possibly save themselves.

If I think somebody is scum, I want them lynched as quickly as possible. I don't want to wait for another 10 pages of posting before they get lynched.

You unvoted but still maintained that Shreddies was your preferred lynch. Plus the fact you used a weak 'don't want no derp hammers reason' for unvoting.

What are you waiting for?

Where am I screaming that speed-lynches are bad? Or have you made that up?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

How are we supposed to know that 3rd on your list is semi-nul? I mean seriously. So you're pretty much town-reading everyone after 3rd? That's convenient.

I'm somewhat surprised you're still town-reading gameplay. You know he just voted for you right?

You're not being scum-read for your 'serious playstyle'. You're being scum-read because your posts look scummy, your arguments don't make sense and you're being illogical.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't like this wagon or this push onto ZZZX, but maybe it's because I don't understand the points against him.

The points against him have been made more than clear. If you find something you disagree with, post it.

Why would a vote on him make him scum-read someone?

It was tongue-in-cheek. Look at his reads list, look who is scum, look who is voting for him. I thought it would have been obvious, my bad.

@EVeryone

here is my latest scum game
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=58499

Please read it and read this game and if I played the same then lynch me now.

The fact you're using meta to defend yourself just makes me want to lynch you even more.

Also there is a reason you guys dont want me lynched

Am I pr or do I have insane scum readings powers?

We wont know will we

Have you just soft-claimed a PR or are you declaring you think you're at L-1 because you've managed to nail both scum on D1?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Actually that post wasn't that out of the ordinary imo kyndy.

I thought this. Was a strange post to pick out to use as a reason for voting.

Eh, I'd still rather lynch BBT over ZZZX.

Interesting. Umm, when did I become your top scum-read?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I can answer that:

Because SNS is whining to replace out because... Why?

Both heads may have to disagree with ZZZX right now, but I dont want hammer yet.

Rather more pressure on SNS, need to read up on BBT/Hiraki fight later.

-Sally

Aww man, I thought the answer was coming for why SNS was replacing out and then.... Not cool.

I don't understand how people are town-reading ZZZX's reactions and posts. I genuinely don't. Is it meta-based coz that's the only explanation I can think of? (a piss poor one, but an explanation nonetheless.)

PEdit - Should say right now that Kyndy would be my second choice. One of my first posts questions both hers and ZZZX's votes on the SS wagon. That post she quoted from ZZZX is also strange, so yeah, let's go down this road.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

My townreads on Kyndy and ZZZX are entirely metabased.

I suggest you drop the meta and read this game properly then.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If you meta'd Kyndy you'd be able to see that this is entirely her newbtown play. Focusing on her today would be a bad idea, imo.

You don't think Kyndy, or especially ZZZX, are capable of manipulating their meta?

Meta is an awful scum-hunting tool. It truly is.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You're hurting my feelings.



Or maybe I'm just right and you know that.

You could well be right; you have just as much chance of being right as I have.

I could show you 2 games where I have played this way as scum and town. How would you use that meta? It's the same playstyle and same posting but from two different alignments.

Meta is a good tool for people who have already made up their minds or already know the alignment of the player they are meta'ing (not in this case I don't think), so they sift through previous games with tainted glasses.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

UNVOTE: ZZZX

Umm. Fuck.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Um hm bbt um hm
Shreddies I am townresding you so who do you wanna lynch?

I'm gonna go ahead and blame this on you.

Second game I have played with you and second time I have managed to run-up a PR.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What exactly is voting Jet going to achieve?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Lolz that blame. I hope it's a joke btw

Was going to use the word obvious but somebody doesn't like it so...yeah, I was joking.

Gameplay town. Duh

Gameplay is acting pretty town right now, I agree. Although he was acting scummy as hell in our last game and he was town, so, whatever.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Fuck it I am claiming

I am Mafia Tracker.

Please Counter Claim me so you can get lynched after I die.

Wait no counter claims?

Good. Because that proves my claim is real

(Unless the scum bro wants to trade a 1 for 1 town for scum ofc)

I would also like to say this was one of the dumbest claims I have ever seen.

Nobody stated intent to hammer.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Kyndy

There had to be scum on the ZZZX wagon, this is where I think it's at.

PEdit - We have an inactive player at L-2. Interesting.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Ok so I am townresding Shreddies and ZZX is confirmed. This is a nice wagon

A town-driven wagon don't make it the right wagon.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Kyndy

There had to be scum on the ZZZX wagon, this is where I think it's at.

PEdit - We have an inactive player at L-2. Interesting.

Found 'im.

Go do some meta.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

anyway I will try to work this out by semi PoE

Putting aside gameplay and sns and shreddes for a secound

everyone else is at risk

Can you explain your town-read on SNS for me?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

More meta.

Lynch me. Lynch me now.

What does his town-read on you have to do with your read on him?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

@Kyndy - Who do you think is scum?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Not particularly, no.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

@Kyndy - Who do you think is scum?

*sigh*
Really, my reads are all over the place.
BlueBloodedToffee - Null, leaning scum
gameplay506 - null, leaning town
Hiraki - null
Jet Skiies - null, leaning scum
BBMolla

RubikAshtray

- Null, leaning scum
Ki-Gi

snscompt1

- null
Square Shreddies - null, leaning town

ZZZX - Null, leaning town sometimes and leaning scum sometimes depending on how you look at things.

The reason everyone is also NULL is because you guys all flip flop in my reads every once in a while and you're all hard to define in one category.
(When I say town, I mean mafia. When I say scum, I mean masons.)

Is this serious? Are you actually being serious right here?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Also, didn't require a reads list. Just scum-reads would have been suffice.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It's fairly obvious that Kyndy isn't even reading the game...I wonder what alignment she would be more likely to do this as. Hmm...

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Vote Kyndy

and

FOS BlueToffee

for using meta after talking how much hate you give it (unless this is just a general assuming)

LOL what? Where have I used meta?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It's fairly obvious that Kyndy isn't even reading the game...I wonder what alignment she would be more likely to do this as. Hmm...

I assumed you said that out of experience with Kyndy? or was it just general reading?

Never played with Kyndy before.

I said that because one alignment doesn't really need to focus on the game because they know who they need to lynch/kill.

Do you see where I'm going now?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Jet is at L-2. Not sure what you're trying to do there gameplay.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Obv nothing. I thiught he was at L-1. What do you think I was doing?

Rolefishing maybe?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hello everyone. Just read the thread at a rather brisk pace and here are my thoughts. Until someone goes against ZZZX's roleclaim, he is essentially a confirmed town (Mafia, I know) in my eyes. As for reads, I have semi-neutral reads on most of you but one read strongly leans scum, and that's Jet Skiies. Simply put, lurkers are scum, and Jet has even tried to excuse himself for lurking (Post #145). Post #140 looks to me like Jet Skiies knows that ZZZX is a confused, likely-to-be-lynched town so by defending him he'll gain the town's trust when ZZZX flips town after a lynch. The reason it seems this way is because the defense is so poor. Who defends an OMGUS? That's one of Jet's few posts where he actually tries to explain his actions, and that's out of a low post count anyway. I'll post all of my reads after a more thorough read of the thread but for now...

VOTE:

Jet Skiies

HELLO? DOES ANYONE ELSE FIND THIS BAD?


- Bins

Me! I do, I do!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

BlueBloodedToffee - Neutral Leaning Scum
As gameplay pointed out, it is rather strange to me that BBT made a serious response to an RVS vote from kyndy. That could mean he's trying to over-assert himself as a scumhunter. And to make matters worse, he's maintained that over-assertive attitude for the entirety of the game thus far. However, the reason he's overall a neutral read for me is that this could easily be an aspect of his regular play style that I haven't been accustomed to yet. If it is, I'll back down for the time being. But right now I don't think that's the case.

I'm generally quite an aggressive player. It's very much a playstyle thing as I'm sure you will figure out.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I could explain why but you've just addressed one of the main problems (too many neutral reads). Lurkers are not conf-scum either, plus you jumped on the leading wagon (having not read the game thoroughly)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I could explain why but you've just addressed one of the main problems (too many neutral reads). Lurkers are not conf-scum either, plus you jumped on the leading wagon (having not read the game thoroughly)

I have literally zero pure neutral reads. And why is jumping on the leading wagon suspicious? Maybe it's the leading wagon for a reason. I wouldn't have made that vote if Jet hadn't jumped out at me as a scum read.

It became the leading wagon through Jet's inactivity, so yeah, hardly a good wagon. Like I said, you addressed your neutral reads in your second post, which I wasn't expecting to come quite so quickly.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

@BBT Why is that hardly a good wagon? Lurkers are scum, I stand by that. If we let lurking, particularly from a Hydra, go unpunished, we let scum slip by us every game while we run circles around each other.

I already explained why it wasn't a good wagon. Not all lurkers are scum, I would say that Jet was more inactive as opposed to lurking which are two different things.

Lurkers can be scum, yes. I certainly wouldn't let someone slip by a whole day lurking, but this early in the game, I'm not really too concerned with it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Regarding both of your posts, that's another thing that strikes me as strange from you two. You're both pretending that the only reason I voted for Jet was because he was lurking. I gave specific posts that I took issue with. SS literally just asked me for more reasons when I HAD "more reasons". And BBT, why would you say Jet is "inactive" rather than lurking? Also, what are your reads?

I believe Espresso (part of the Jet hydra) said he was busy IRL which means that he was probably not posting elsewhere on the forum. That's the difference between inactivity and lurking.

I'm leaning scum on Kyndy.

ZZZX is town.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

So we agree on those two reads, BBT. But regarding the inactivity/lurking shtick you've got, I agree that there's a difference, and that difference is that for an inactive player, the posts that they do have indicate a genuine scumhunting effort to make up for their inactivity and reason with everyone else.

A lurker, on the other hand, makes little to no effort to explain their votes or their opinions and often uses cheap tactics to detour everyone from how little they're actually contributing to the thread.

Five reasons why Jet is scum:

1. Lurking. Granted, by my definition may overlap with other reasons, but the lack of posts still stands as its own reason.
2. (NEW) First post being a still-unexplained obscure vote, along with emphasis that the "vote stays" later on.
3. Defending an OMGUS post because they likely have knowledge that the person they're defending is a town who (at the point they made the defense post) might get lynched.
4. (NEW) Serious response to a non-serious SS post. (Post #278)
5. (NEW) Whining about the thread. Typical scum move trying to sound like a lazy let holier-than-thou town. gameplay did this at one point but Jet took it to another level.

@Bold - Describes Kyndy pretty well don't you think?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Why are you playing dumb? You already know that I agree with you on Kyndy. And I'll say now that if it comes to it, I'd be willing to vote for her instead. But if we could get a Jet lynch, I would prefer that.

I'm playing dumb?

I'd much rather lynch Kyndy over Jet right now. So if you could move your vote onto Kyndy, that would be great.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Umm, I'm pretty sure I have posted my reasons for voting for Kyndy.

You can ISO me, find them, realize they are better reasons than your Jet reasons, then join me on the Kyndy wagon.

That Jet wagon will fall apart once they start contributing. It's a wagon built around inactivity, do you somehow expect it to last?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't know if the wagon is built around inactivity, but my vote isn't. Way to pretend the five reasons I gave don't exist.

Why are you acting like you're the only person on the wagon?

If the wagon is built around inactivity, when the wagonee (is that a word? It should be) begins to contribute the wagon will break down.

Then you'll have to join the Kyndy wagon because that's your next best scum-read.

I'm merely anticipating and trying to save you time.

You can thank me later.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Why are you excusing the lack of contribution so far? I already outlined to

you

the difference between lurking and inactivity.

I'm getting bored now. I've already been over the difference between lurking and inactivity, and I think Jet is inactive. I also stated that inactivity doesn't concern me that much this early into the game.

If they're still inactive in 3 days time, then yeah, we can start to talk about that.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You still haven't told me why you

really

voted for Kyndy, and all you have to tell me now is that you've already been over the difference between lurking and inactivity? You completely ignored my five reasons why Jet was lurking rather than inactive. Am I supposed to just take your word for it? You sound like a broken record! And three days time is a LOT of leeway for excusing inactivity. Scumbuddying much?

Holy shit. Can't mention anything about another player that even remotely looks like defending (which I'm not doing) without being put into a scum-team with them.

Kyndy's votes were pretty badly timed. There's no real explanation for said votes; the explanation of the ZZZX vote was pretty poor to me but whatever.

I didn't like her or ZZZX's votes on the SS wagon, ZZZX is conf. town, so Kyndy is my #1 scum now.

Then there's the lack of content, lack of scumhunting and lack of contribution.

I used 3 days as a throwaway comment. I wouldn't sit and wait 3 days; it depends on the circumstances.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You could have saved yourself some time if you had posted that sooner. I still find it questionable that it seems like you're ignoring the fact that there is more than one argument against Jet (and that you claim you're not defending them when you pretty clearly are), but for now I'll let you off the hook.

I'm questioning the validity of the wagon, not defending Jet.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Wow, wtf just happened over the last four pages.

Spoiler: Responses to various posts

424 - How is Kyndy obviously town?

432 - ZZZX was coming across really scummy. Four people thought so, I guess hindsight is a wonderful thing.

440 - So you've lined up three lynches already? Wow, so we just keep sheeping your reads right? You're throwing suspicion anywhere you think it might stick.

447 - Meta as a defence. That's funny.

449 - I don't think it's scum. In fact, I'm pretty sure Gameplay is town.

494 - is pretty hard to argue against

I don't believe you're arrogant enough to believe you've nailed both scum within two pages so I'm not sure what you're trying to do (I have an idea though). I guess what you're doing is easier than actually reading the game and seeing what happened.

You're throwing suspicion everywhere. So far I have seen you throw suspicion on Gameplay, Jet, Hiraki and myself. Lining yourself up nicely to jump on a number of wagons that may or may not occur.

If this is how you always play I don't know how anyone takes you serious.

Really want to put my vote on you but I'm undecided if it's an annoyance I have with your playstyle as opposed to the content (very loosely use that word) of your posts.

Plus, I'm waiting for more from Kyndy

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: BBT

You not worried about that accidental hammer no more?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

BBT has one vote on him.

He said it here as well...then you posted no less than four times after this. 495, 497, 500, 501.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Did you put your vote on me to make me look bad if I voted you?

Coz I would totally OMGUS you.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, Gameplay is town, I am almost certain on this one.

I think Hiraki is town as well.

Kyndy is really hitting me as newb-town now, so I just don't feel like I can pursue this avenue until I have at least seen more from her.

So...

VOTE: BBMolla

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hiraki might have the worst reads I've ever seen but they aren't scummy, opportunistic ones like BBT and Ki-Gi. He's stuck his head out too much for me to think that he's scum with his reads. I might be wrong about Hiraki but I'd rather someone else we have already wagoned. I don't want to out him if he happens to be the JK.

Seriously, like what are you talking about? Your reason for town-reading Hiraki (re: sticking his head out too much) is exactly what I did chasing ZZZX yet I'm scum for it? Can you clarify the difference in this please because your reasoning here doesn't make sense.

Explaining my 'opportunistic reads' would be nice as well.

I usually have a problem with inactivity replacements. Like my top wagons for now would be Hiraki and Molla. But I don't know whether a inactive person can be scum ( I mean molla ). I don't know I just haven't seen one and that is why I put hiraki on top.
BBT still resembles the newbie we played in.

Still aggresive. Still stupid

( ) . So yeah he is on third place together with Jet somewhere.

I'd take offense, but you're probably right

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Wow.

Gameplay is town. I can't stress this enough.

Just for you SS:

I'm willing to lynch BBMolla.

Is there something wrong with only wanting to currently lynch one person?

I don't want to lynch Gameplay or Hiraki if that helps.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nope, nothing wrong. I just wasn't sure.

What do you think about Ki-Gi?

I think he's flailing pretty badly right now. Haven't decided what type of flailing it is yet though. The post re 'scum-reading Jet being fake' was absolutely awful and even if it's true it's seriously bad town play.

BBT, how do you feel about Hiraki being the only one not voting for you?

I feel slightly annoyed. Although I think my scum-game and town-game are quite similar (something I try to do) so yeah, I seem to get scum-read a lot.

May have to do something about that in the future.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I have answered your question.

Answer mine please.

Hiraki might have the worst reads I've ever seen but they aren't scummy, opportunistic ones like BBT and Ki-Gi. He's stuck his head out too much for me to think that he's scum with his reads. I might be wrong about Hiraki but I'd rather someone else we have already wagoned. I don't want to out him if he happens to be the JK.

Seriously, like what are you talking about? Your reason for town-reading Hiraki (re: sticking his head out too much) is exactly what I did chasing ZZZX yet I'm scum for it? Can you clarify the difference in this please because your reasoning here doesn't make sense.

Explaining my 'opportunistic reads' would be nice as well.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Why is this BBT lynch so hard to get

Because I'm town?

What I meant was, why Hiraki and no one else?

Umm, I don't know? I must be pretty scummy?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

BBT how do you feel about Hiraki defending you so hard, when at the same time you have only one vote on you?

I may be slightly biased, coz you know, I don't wanna die but it's nice to have at least one person in the game who doesn't want me lynched.

I don't think he would defend me like this if he was scum either. I really don't.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

BBT how do you feel about Hiraki defending you so hard, when at the same time you have only one vote on you?

I may be slightly biased, coz you know, I don't wanna die but it's nice to have at least one person in the game who doesn't want me lynched.

I don't think he would defend me like this if he was scum either. I really don't.

Why do you think so? Don't you feel like he was unecessary defending you earlier?

Why was it unnecessary and why are you asking me to tell you what Hirkai was thinking?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Who everyone said their down to lynch. Note that BBT hasn't really stated outright.

Ki-Gi - SS, BBmolla, BBT, Ki-Gi, gameplay (?)
SS - Ki-Gi, BBT,

maybe gameplay or jet idk

Kyndy - Ki-Gi, BBT, BBMolla, Jet
Hiraki - Ki-Gi, Gameplay
BBMolla - BBT, Gameplay
Gameplay - Hiraki, BBT (?), Jet
ZZZX - Hiraki, BBT, BBMolla
BBT - BBMolla, ???
Jet - Gameplay, BBT, Ki-Gi

BBT (7)
Ki-Gi (5)
Gameplay (4)
BBMolla (4)
Jet (2.5)
Hiraki (2)
SS (1)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Actually it's obvious that if you scumread him you will lose the only player who is defending you. So it was kinda stupid of me to ask you such question.

Not really. I've town-read Hiraki for a while.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hm Ki you are on L-1. So you can claim.
Also I suggest putting your vote on a viable wagon too.

I think it's L-2 again.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You're right gameplay, it's L-1. Was looking at your quoted vc

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hiraki wasn't it Ki>me? Why are you suddenly agreeing on BBT? Like scum could have no-killed or targeted BBT.

I seriously doubt scum would have tried to kill me based on D1.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, pretty much.

Oh and

VOTE: BBMolla

Is there something you're looking for?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: BBT

No point prolonging the worst game of my life.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Great job mod! Thanks for the game!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Cereal Killers sounds good haha