Micro 514: Dealing With Dragons Mafia (Game Over)

[GrayFoxxxx]

VOTE: wisdom

Good luck have fun

[GrayFoxxxx]

I need sheep on me.

I declare myself town leader and demand my town to follow!!

Ok.

VOTE: the B.P

[GrayFoxxxx]

Lurk

[GrayFoxxxx]

Lurk

yeah no

Start playing

Lol. I post. "Start playing". Rich.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Elbirn you look different than last game. You had reasonable reads there, and you sticked to them despite what others said (for example you insisted I am town). I like neither your shallow tunnel on kyndy nor the way you stopped pushing her just because I didn't agree with you.

Just ISO'D wisdom. He likes to recap what happens but gives no real reads. He did this last game I played with him, and he was scum. He is way more worried about semantics, and petty points, than actually scum hunting.

VOTE: wis

[GrayFoxxxx]

How is "Lurk" considered a valid post?

Idk maybe after I hit submit, and it gets posted to the site.

[GrayFoxxxx]

127: Wisdom is scum because of his playstyle

try harder

Once, again just a recap with no real opinion or counter reasoning.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Once again,****

[GrayFoxxxx]

Where did I post a "recap"?

127: Wisdom is scum because of his playstyle

try harder

no. His comment on Fire had nothing to do with voting Elbirn. He was just giving his own thoughts on Fire because it was the discussion at that point. He was not comparing them, neither favoring one instead of the other.

As for the first line, shaddoweh essentially proves how bad his push on kyndy was. He presented kyndy's RVS as wagoning yet had nothing to say about Gray doing the same thing.

His comment about fire was in response to the discussion that started with this:

Is firebringer always this trolly?

and is irrelevant, so I don't get why you're mentioning it?

You asked if I could see her 6 votes thing as scum panic. I obviously don't and I have talked about it already, so it was pointless

kyndy, who is scum?

It's a little early for reads, but I think Shadowzz, Vedith, or Grayfoxxxx. Sheeping and not many posts are my main reasons at this point in the game. Of course, that's kind hypocritical of me to say that since that's exactly what I did.

Your vote is not on any of them.

that was an unannounced L-1.

VOTE: kyndy

All of these, you just restate what happens. The rest of your ISO is pretty much one liners, and votes with empty reasons. I think post 93 was kind of substantial, yu should post like that more often.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Gray has no idea what my scum play looks like, considering the game he's referring to was a greater idea variant (therefore multiball)

ANOTHER post where wisdom just states a fact, but this time he tried to correlate it to his defense.

"I was scum in that game, but you have no idea what I'm like as scum" Tf?



We were in a game, and you were scum. Don't know what else to add. "No idea" sounds kinda desperate.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Grayfoxxxx, you ever play with town-Wisdom? Unless he's utterly changed in the last year-plus, his town playstyle overlaps quite a bit with his scum play. Possibly even more jumpy. Although his game opening was pretty much what I'd expect from town-Wisdom, heh.

P-edit: will quote post that felt weird in just a minute.

--PA

Never played a town game with him, I'll take this into consideration.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Let's see.

133 is asking you to prove your baseless accusation. Not a recap.
129 is ponting out how your accusation sucks. Not a recap.
119, 116, 114 is me trying to show Vedith how he has completely misinterpreted what Shadoweh posted. Not recaps.
99 is explaining why Vedith's question was pointless. Not a recap.
70 is pointing out that kyndy is not voting any of her scumreads. Not a recap.
21 is quite obviously not a recap, it's an accusation.

buh bye

Dude, its obv from past games you give words new definitions. You argued about the word "doubt" with me, even after I copied and pasted the definition. You were scum that game. And now you are doing the same thing.


Recap works here, stop playing semantics please

[GrayFoxxxx]

Gray has no idea what my scum play looks like, considering the game he's referring to was a greater idea variant (therefore multiball)

ANOTHER post where wisdom just states a fact, but this time he tried to correlate it to his defense.

"I was scum in that game, but you have no idea what I'm like as scum" Tf?



We were in a game, and you were scum. Don't know what else to add. "No idea" sounds kinda desperate.

you still don't know how I look like as scum, sorry

Thanks, give me a minute to read all the reasons you are providing.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Wait there are none.
I see how your scum game is. I don't expect you to admit it.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Nope, with "recap and no scumhunting" you are essentially accusing me of IIOA. None of these posts were IIOA, so try again

What? Now you are arguing with your self lololol.

[GrayFoxxxx]

ok so grey is obvscum

im done here

I think you said this too in your scum game

[GrayFoxxxx]

ill give you one last chance.

There are people who have over 20 games with me and still can't meta me. You can't meta me off a single game, especially given that game was multiball and I was genuinely scumhunting for other factions. If anything, if my play this game reminds you of that game, you should be taking it as a sign I am town.

But even without any meta, it's quite evident I am town. All these posts you listed, in all of them I am scumhunting, trying to make people see their mistakes and either fix them or respond in ways that could be telling. You are just disliking the way I am doing it.

Nah, looks like how you played as scum last game.

Don't need your "last chance". What ever that meant.

[GrayFoxxxx]

meanwhile I don't like PA so far

Nice a read, could you elaborate? Maybe it will help me see you as town.

[GrayFoxxxx]

i dont care whether you see me as town

Surprise surprise

[GrayFoxxxx]

I also don't like how Grey entered from lurking, thinking that he had more substantial posts than Wisdom

What are you talking about?

[GrayFoxxxx]

Ok so wow you guys got a lot of pages done..


Gray seems to have blinders on to anything in Wisdom's posting that could be helpful or reads.

I literally asked him to give me some reads, so I could see him as town. He refused.

[GrayFoxxxx]

His research in kyndy's games felt town. Same about his question about firebringer

What felt town about it?

[GrayFoxxxx]

Will post tonight with in depth analysis. Maybe a reads list.

[GrayFoxxxx]

So I'm here

I've had a couple drinks

And j think drunk mafia is the best please talk to me

Nice I think we should toast to you voting wisdom.

[GrayFoxxxx]

^ did he tho? What other options for easy wagons did he have?

You think scum would not back off of a weak wagon quickly? Cuz that sounds like scum to me

Ah there it is.

[GrayFoxxxx]

What? Fox?

Unless im misunderstanding, Elbirn is subtly calling my actions scummy. His few posts before that had me thinking we would end up here. Seems I was right.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Will post tonight with in depth analysis. Maybe a reads list.

Reading ISO's now, posting when I wake up.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Really I'm looking for betting pools opinions. I don't have much of a judgement on you gray and idk I'm not sober and don't feel like on depth thinking about you right now

But if o can provoke discussion, particularly with betting, then awesome

Ok then, I wont take it personal.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Yeah no h8

I get how part of that sounds like me accusing you bit really it's me saying that betting thought process should result in thinking you're scum bit it doesnt?

If that makes sense?

It's not the same, it's saying that his thought process is odd

Yeah idk

Are you asking my if I think, that BP should think, that I look like scum?

That's a big no. To an odd question.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Asking me*

[GrayFoxxxx]

That confused me to death

How are you gray?

Just woke up. Try reading when you aren't drunk.

[GrayFoxxxx]

betting thought process should result in thinking you're scum bit it doesnt?

If that makes sense?

Are you asking my if I think, that BP should think, that I look like scum?

That's a big no. To an odd question.

You ask me if I think BP should look at me as scum. Wtf

[GrayFoxxxx]

It wasn't drunkiness. Elbirn was saying that Betting's thought process should lead him to thinking you are scum, yet it doesn't. He wasn't arguing you are scum, or that you should think BP should think you are scum.

I'm not the one who is confused why are you explaining it to me

[GrayFoxxxx]

I'm confused as to how he thinks I would answer that.

[GrayFoxxxx]

[quote="In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?
I get how part of that sounds like me accusing you bit really it's me saying that betting thought process should result in thinking you're scum bit it doesnt?

here is the question, I can see how you wouldn't be able to tell initially, as the words seem a little mixed up. Like he was drunk or something. Anyway the question mark is a dead qiveaway that he was ASKING ME SOMETHING

If that makes sense?

oh another question

Yeah idk[/quote]

[GrayFoxxxx]

Fuck let me try that again

[GrayFoxxxx]

Nvm my point stands

[GrayFoxxxx]

Wisdom, everytime you try to debate semantics with me, you fail.

[GrayFoxxxx]

But I do admire that you push your point in the huge face of contrary evidence.

[GrayFoxxxx]

I explained to you exactly what he was saying which was obvious anyway, but no you're insisting it was a question because there was a question mark

K

[GrayFoxxxx]

Not a question, but there is a question mark

[GrayFoxxxx]

Fail at comprehension.

[GrayFoxxxx]

you're insisting it was a question because there was a question mark

How ignorant of me to assume such.

[GrayFoxxxx]

I got what his point was, and he pretty much asked me twice do I agree (in so many words).

[GrayFoxxxx]

but you fail at reading

[quote="In post 270, Wisdom"you're insisting it was a question because there was a question mark[/quote]

Gold

[GrayFoxxxx]

Fuck phone posts

[GrayFoxxxx]

no he nowhere asked you if you agree

but you fail at reading

Ok wisdom I'll let you go on with a peaceful mind. Question marks don't equal questions, ok? See, I'm not asking anything here, as I put a question mark?

[GrayFoxxxx]

dw you cant look any worse

worst part is you are town

Idk I could look like someone claiming question marks don't end questions.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Remember when you didn't know the meaning of doubt in our last game? Remember when you still denied it after i copied the definition? You did that as scum. And now you are debating something similar here. Scum scum. You should mull over that before you keep pushing semantics.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Redundant^. Keep ignoring the main fact if you need. I'm not interested in debating this any longer, as I see youre stuck on the fact question marks don't indicate questions.

[GrayFoxxxx]

ok

please dont join any games im in in the future. Thanks.

I don't give a shit either way, so maybe you should just quit playing if I affect you that much.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Thanks.

[GrayFoxxxx]

dude he's not asking you anything

its not a question you just fail at comprehension

I explained to you exactly what he was saying which was obvious anyway, but no you're insisting it was a question because there was a question mark

He asks if that makes sense, namely if you now understand, if the misunderstanding was cleared

Anyone notice how wisdom went from "HE NEVER ASKED A QUESTION", to "YOU ARE MISUNDERSTANDING HIS QUESTION".

Scum.

[GrayFoxxxx]

sigh

i never said you misunderstood a question

why, why the fuck am i replying to this shit

Then what the fuck is your point? That he didn't ask a question, or I'm misunderstanding it? Because you have implied both.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Wisdom, you keep over explaining other things that have nothing to do with the fact that he asked me something. I think it was an odd question.you don't have to reiterate the whole game here.

[GrayFoxxxx]

246/248 - Elbirn tries to clear up the misunderstanding, explaining that he was questioning Betting about the read on you and the oddities around it, not giving his own read on you.

He asks if that makes sense,

namely if you now understand, if the misunderstanding was cleared

When I answered, you told me it wasn't a question, over and over and over.

Wtf is this? You say here that he DID ask me a question. I don't even know what you are trying to say anymore. Fucking scum get confusing.

[GrayFoxxxx]

it was not a question, so it was not odd

Dude wth. Did he or didn't he ask me anything.

[GrayFoxxxx]

I'm done. Someone else come look at this.

[GrayFoxxxx]

246/248 - Elbirn tries to clear up the misunderstanding, explaining that he was questioning Betting about the read on you and the oddities around it, not giving his own read on you.

He asks if that makes sense,

namely if you now understand, if the misunderstanding was cleared

When I answered, you told me it wasn't a question, over and over and over.

Wtf is this? You say here that he DID ask me a question. I don't even know what you are trying to say anymore. Fucking scum get confusing.

OH MY GOD I THINK I liked you better when you were lurking. Jeez this whole argument made me feel stupid just reading it.
Please just read slower, or try to comprehend better.

Can you be a little more vague?

[GrayFoxxxx]

ill try for one last time even though I know it's for naught

235 - Elbirn asks Betting for his reads on me and you.
239 - Betting gives the reads, including townreading you for X,Y,Z reasons.
240 - Elbirn argues that X,Y,Z reasons should normally lead Betting to believe you are scum, not town.
242/244 - You misunderstand that as Elbirn arguing/implying you are scum.
246/248 - Elbirn tries to clear up the misunderstanding, explaining that he was questioning Betting about the read on you and the oddities around it, not giving his own read on you. He asks if that makes sense, namely if you now understand, if the misunderstanding was cleared
249 up to now - You misunderstand that as Elbirn asking you if you believe Betting should scumread you.

This is correct, and I apologize for any misunderstanding gray. My questions were directed to betting, and then I tried to clear it up with you.

It's cool, I've drunk posted unintelligible gibberish before.
Now fucking wisdom is right for the wrong reasons.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Bluh ok well Gray just sounds like dumb town so
UNVOTE: Gray


Not sure who to vote, will have to ISO everyone and decide

Look at wisdum extra close

[GrayFoxxxx]

and isn't interacting with anybody else or trying to progress the game in any meaningful manner.

Incorrect.

[GrayFoxxxx]

and isn't interacting with anybody else or trying to progress the game in any meaningful manner.

Incorrect.

Actually yes, it's true.

I disagree.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Anybody that reads Gray as town - could you please point me in a direction as to why?

There's no real scum motivation behind anything he's done. He's just a VI who really believes he's doing nothing wrong and he's making sense.

Wisdum also had this sentiment about me when he was scum in our game together.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Axle wagon has scum on it.

[GrayFoxxxx]

I mean, more people have spent time trying to paint me as scum, than actually engaging axel. His wagon is bad.

[GrayFoxxxx]

nah

Yah

[GrayFoxxxx]

Axle wagon has scum on it.

Vedith, me, wisdom, kyndy

Sure looks town to me

Idk maybe u and Vedith are cool. Busy atm will expand, and enlarge soon.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Welp.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Ok looks like I was wrong about axxle. Guess that clears wisdom to an extent

[GrayFoxxxx]

Ok looks like I was wrong about axxle. Guess that clears wisdom to an extent

How so?

I'm betting he didn't bus.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Ok looks like I was wrong about axxle. Guess that clears wisdom to an extent

How so?

I'm betting he didn't bus.

Ignore this.

Ok wisdom could still be decent lynch. Details soon.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Gg

[GrayFoxxxx]

hey gray im still scum, the mod is prolly trolling

You ate always scum in my eyes

[GrayFoxxxx]

Are are are are are

[GrayFoxxxx]

Any mod update to this?

[GrayFoxxxx]

daytalk in a micro? wat

Gold