Micro 514: Dealing With Dragons Mafia (Game Over)

[Vedith]

I didn't say scum panic though.
You also haven't actually commented on the vote count slip since it happened.

So if I get this right, as you have already spoken about it, you don't believe that this was a town slip, but she is town for her reaction on the votes.

Phew, glad I cleared that up.

[Wisdom]

I don't understand what you're saying, what vote count slip?

[Vedith]

Saying that it takes 6 to lynch.

[Wisdom]

That can't be a town slip. It's either an honest mistake or a terrible excuse.

[Vedith]

And which one do you think it is?
If you want me to go by the last time you comment on it, it will be a terrible excuse, right?

[Wisdom]

And if you go by my read on her afterwards, which one will it be?

Are you going somewhere with this posturing?

[Vedith]

Ah okay, so you think that it was a genuine mistake. I've got it now.
I fully disagree with this. She has been aware of the amount it takes to lynch in previous games.

Where was I going with this? Well, the fact that you originally doubted the 6 lynch comment and yet didn't mention it again looked like you were trying to keep a fall back net for if she was lynched and flips scum, like an "I should have followed up with that doubt I originally had."
But it's cleared up now, I just wanted to make sure loose ends were sealed.

[Wisdom]

I feel like you're implying you're scumreading me without stating it

Are you scared of stating a clear scumread on me?

[Vedith]

I'm not stating a scum read on you and if I feel that you are higher on my scum list, I'll say. I just don't want an opportunity to arise later in the game if she flips scum.

My main concern on scum reads will stick to Kyndy, and probably Gray/BP if they don't actually get involved and keep lurking.
Also not a fan of shaddowez vote reason as it stands.

[Wisdom]

What's wrong with shaddowez's reason?

[Vedith]

Well, Well, the 2 reasons seem a bit off for me. I did post this to him to ask before out little chat.
He originally votes Elbirn for disliking a vote. He gives an example vote where Gray jumps on the BP lynch, no reason apart from he is sheeping, with a vote from Kyndy that Elbirn disliked. I'm not disputing these 2 votes, I'm saying that these are different type of votes and using them as examples do not work.
He then says about Elbirn being pushy, but only mention of FireBringer is that he hasn't played with him. Surely if you don't know how someone plays you would question this play if you have it as suspicious on another player?

[Wisdom]

I don't know where you saw all that

The overconfidence and tunneling of kyndy based on nothing but her RVS vote actually has me scum reading Elbirn.

This was his reason and I completely agree with him. Elbirn's tunnel on kyndy was ridiculously shallow, he even questioned the reason she gave for RVSing.

[Wisdom]

He then says about Elbirn being pushy, but only mention of FireBringer is that he hasn't played with him. Surely if you don't know how someone plays you would question this play if you have it as suspicious on another player?

When you don't know someone and they do something that feels off to you, you can't tell if it's because they are scum or because they are just a weird person with a weird playstyle. As a result you can speak about people you already know much more easily.

[Vedith]

Elbirn - why is kyndy's RVS vote that was "beginning a wagon" suspect, but Gray's vote in 7 isn't when it does the same thing (The B.P. voted Wisdom first in 5)?

I can't speak on Fire's play, since I haven't seen a game with him to know if he acts this way as scum or town.

Fair point. However, I was going by this.
I still stick to what I say on these points.

[Wisdom]

His comment about fire was in response to the discussion that started with this:

Is firebringer always this trolly?

and is irrelevant, so I don't get why you're mentioning it?

[Vedith]

He then says about Elbirn being pushy, but only mention of FireBringer is that he hasn't played with him. Surely if you don't know how someone plays you would question this play if you have it as suspicious on another player?

When you don't know someone and they do something that feels off to you, you can't tell if it's because they are scum or because they are just a weird person with a weird playstyle. As a result you can speak about people you already know much more easily.

Well, this is where we differ concerning this. I see you point, and yeah maybe this is the case with most people on here but I don't think that that voting for a specific reason should go to 1 person if others are doing the same.

It's basically the same as lurkers, but then this would probably side with your argument more, I would personally just address the lot with it.

[Wisdom]

As for the first line, shaddoweh essentially proves how bad his push on kyndy was. He presented kyndy's RVS as wagoning yet had nothing to say about Gray doing the same thing.

[Wisdom]

He then says about Elbirn being pushy, but only mention of FireBringer is that he hasn't played with him. Surely if you don't know how someone plays you would question this play if you have it as suspicious on another player?

When you don't know someone and they do something that feels off to you, you can't tell if it's because they are scum or because they are just a weird person with a weird playstyle. As a result you can speak about people you already know much more easily.

Well, this is where we differ concerning this. I see you point, and yeah maybe this is the case with most people on here but I don't think that that voting for a specific reason should go to 1 person if others are doing the same.

It's basically the same as lurkers, but then this would probably side with your argument more, I would personally just address the lot with it.

uh except that comment had nothing to do with his vote

[Vedith]

His comment about fire was in response to the discussion that started with this:

Is firebringer always this trolly?

and is irrelevant, so I don't get why you're mentioning it?

Well, it is relevant. Firebringer has been pushy too (you have already defended him on this to why he didn't question Firebringer, so I know your side of it) but I can't see personally overall why his only comment in this situation of Firebringer is that he doesn't know how he plays when he includes a fault on Elbirn that they both share.

And to stop us keep cross commenting - But he's using 2 completely different examples. Elbirn had a concern with Kyndy posting a longer RVS, not the person voting for or making a wagon. Gray's vote was just a sheep vote. So I don't understand why he puts them in the same category?

Okay - Again, not to crosswire so for your last post - Well it kind of does. He strengthens his case on Elbirn by saying about the pushy part, but just leaves Firebringer out of if even though he has the same reason. This to me is to do with his vote.

[Wisdom]

no. His comment on Fire had nothing to do with voting Elbirn. He was just giving his own thoughts on Fire because it was the discussion at that point. He was not comparing them, neither favoring one instead of the other.

[Wisdom]

Okay, so here kyndy puts the second vote on axxle. She doesn't appear to acknowledge beginning a wagon

These imply he had a problem with kyndy wagoning. So it's not different to Grey's wagoning.

[Vedith]

Okay, so here kyndy puts the second vote on axxle. She doesn't appear to acknowledge beginning a wagon, and

rambles on with a needless explanation for her vote that...doesn't make sense. You have a friend that uses that name? Okay..?

This is the part that I mainly got out of the comment.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Lurk

[Wisdom]

Lurk

yeah no

Start playing

[GrayFoxxxx]

Lurk

yeah no

Start playing

Lol. I post. "Start playing". Rich.