Micro 532: Anything UPick! (Day1)

[Vedith]

I'm late!

VOTE: Ene
UNVOTE: Ene
That's my RVS take it as you like.

My vote would be going on Luna right now if she didn't have 3 (with 2 people not posted yet?)
Luna - Explain your reason in 14 further please.

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Yeah but your theory of the 1st person would be town and the 2nd person scum is not serious and is pointless.

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I think it's as easy as one another.
Scum want to make a reason to vote a town. If a chance comes up great, but I can see it swinging either way.

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Can we all stop horsing around.
So, where's Ene and Garmr.

Also, can 27 have any indication from NS or Bulge? Or is it a we know what we need to know topic?

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In that case, as my vote is intended there anyway,

VOTE: Luna

[Vedith]

As above ^

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i am scumhunting

I thought that you didn't really scum hunt and you town hunt instead?

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as my vote is intended there anyway

^
Possibly scum excuse here, scum have more tendency to have static reads over dynamic ones. Feels like one of those "Oh hey look i have been scumreading her so this is obviously not clashing with any reads i have had"

um

no

what it was is he didn't want to vote to put you at L-1, but since someone removed their vote he put it on because he was no longer putting it at L-1. That's not scummy. That's sensibility.

This implies that nothing i did changed such read, since i have answered his questions in full, this means he has other questions or didnt like my answers, in whichever case you'd think he'd be either posting more questions or a case, i don't see either, do you?

It's a bit hard to see much while the games in slow mode.
Now, do you think it's standard me to do this, or unusual me to do this? - Serious question.

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Now, do you think it's standard me to do this, or unusual me to do this? - Serious question.

I come from the basic assumption that town will try to sort people, this is usually done by interaction, asking questions, making cases, etc.
You asked me some questions, I answered them, your vote still went to me, So i assume that you still think im scum despite my answers, you are not asking me any further questions nor are trying to sell my case to anyone so they follow you, so i assume you're not trying to sort me, rather you saw something weak you could push and went along with it.

i am scumhunting

I thought that you didn't really scum hunt and you town hunt instead?

It depends on the game, but since i was outed i decided to just go back to my old playstyle anyway, Townhunting hasn't really worked for me as much as i'd have hoped.

I said me, not from basic assumption. Please re answer.
However, I've been waiting for more input. Filling 5 pages up of me going you are scum and you saying that you are not is not proactive.

And the going to old style is just bullshit. XD As scum, you don't need to town hunt as you already know all the town (Or at least who isn't Mafia).

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Why would Scum me, not simply have followed suit and voted for the same "comic sans joke" reason that everyone else was doing.

The primary reason you would do this is because your scum partners are not on the wagon or did this reason.
So you try to push for a mis lynch.

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Im so certain, that you wont find any scum motivation on my actions, that i'll even dare to say that if you find one single scum motivation for my actions that are clearly more beneficial to scum me as opposed to other possible actions i could have taken at that point in time, i'll self vote and let you guys speed lynch me.

Lets see that self vote.

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Why would Scum me, not simply have followed suit and voted for the same "comic sans joke" reason that everyone else was doing.

The primary reason you would do this is because your scum partners are not on the wagon or did this reason.
So you try to push for a mis lynch.

If i were doing that then i would've voted along bulge, not against him, do you disagree?

I disagree. You just want to draw attention to people rather than yourself or scum partners.
Might not be the case but you did ask for a scum minded reason.

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As scum, you don't need to town hunt as you already know all the town (Or at least who isn't Mafia).

It's funny, back when i mentioned my playstyle was townhunting people saw i was scum because it's easy for scum to townread the town.
Now that i reverted back to townhunting, apparently im scum for the same reason.

This is quite a hilarious case you got there.

Your argument was actually that you always town hunt.
Now you are scum hunting... I've never seen you scum hunt before this game.

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I disagree. You just want to draw attention to people rather than yourself or scum partners.
Might not be the case but you did ask for a scum minded reason.

And who would be these supposed partners? Unless you think Davsto is scum and i didn't want to bus, then his vote on me doesn't make any sense, disagree?

I don't think that you are getting what I am saying.
This is why I try not to waste many comments with you because it's always the same with you...
I'll let others have an opinion but I'm going with scum on you.

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This is misrepresentantion.

This is her favorite saying to a losing argument.

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The problem is Luna, other people are not participating right now. I agree that we need to make sure that we don't tunnel over this, but possibly (and only possibly) the inactivity of this game so far gives you off as the biggest scum read.

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9p scumteam is 2 ppl, so you can't possibly be thinking all 3 of us are scum.

ahem

I was in a 9 player game with a traitor and 2 scum.

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As a side note, if that is your real meta, it looks like you got lucky fingering someone at might-as well-be-random a couple of times and started to trust your methods despite the myslynches.

I wouldn't count might be random when i have an accuracy rate of 70% out of about 80 games.
But of course all you have for me is my word

This is such bullshit. XD

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That's 10/10 defence right there.
What gets me is if people always scum read you for your bad scum reads, why are you scum reading in this game rather than town reading.
Keeping in mind you don't get seen as scum much when you are town reading.

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But we haven't verified that... This is the first time that you have scum hunted with me in a game.
You can't put all of that down to 1 game.

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Anyway i'm the fox, a town even-night tracker, a role that can be easily verified.
Make of that what you will

So explain to me why you are role revealing at L2?

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But how can we ever verify it rather than you saying - Yeah I checked the guy who died last night, he visited/didn't visit.

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I never lie however

Seriously Luna, you need to up your town comments if you are town...

UNVOTE: Luna

I think normally this is too much of a hasty reveal, but it doesn't fully surprise me with Luna.
Regardless, with that claim, she would obviously choose a Fox and due to other powers the power each night wouldn't be too justifiable.

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but it doesn't fully surprise me with Luna.

Why is that? Just curious.

Because you are always so over dramatic.

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Anyway, now that you've unvoted me i got a question for you

Do you think my push on Bulge was because i legit had a scumread there, or to get us out of RVS.

Out of the 2 I would expect because you had a scum read even if it had no logic to it.

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Anyway, now that you've unvoted me i got a question for you

Do you think my push on Bulge was because i legit had a scumread there, or to get us out of RVS.

Out of the 2 I would expect because you had a scum read even if it had no logic to it.

It was actually both, i did say i never lie, so if you were paying attention to my posts you'd know this.
I've mentioned both in Page 2 and why, in addition i mentioned how strong my read on Bulge was, the strength was "enough for a page 1 read", i'll leave to your interpretation how strong that means.

Anyway, who else are you scumreading/townreading, why?

You saying that you never lie is a pile of shit though. Hence my comment on it.
Well to say that I scum read someone when there's basically no activity in itself is just silly. I don't agree with you for the Bulge reason and neither do I agree with your town read on Dav (For the reasons only, not from my reasons, but I think Dav is town).
Apart from that, more involvement is needed to go forward.

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I don't really buy a role that would take the magjority of the game to verify. It's a very conveniant role for you to have in your position.

VOTE: Luna to put you back at 3

Cool, let's keep helping scum kill PRs.

Then where should he vote?
Sell us something that is logical.

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I don't really buy a role that would take the magjority of the game to verify. It's a very conveniant role for you to have in your position.

VOTE: Luna to put you back at 3

Cool, let's keep helping scum kill PRs.

Then where should he vote?
Sell us something that is logical.

Bulge

Giving a name isn't selling it.
I'd like him to say more over the matter but I don't think his vote was scummy.

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If you don't think there's any other place to vote, why did you remove yours?

Because I'm going with the phase of accepting your claim. Why would I vote for someone I believe?

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And what's your opinion on the post restrictions being possible?

I also don't understand your case here... Because he said good vote to you then voted you?

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He likes my vote

I'm pretty sure that it was sarcasm.

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And what's your opinion on the post restrictions being possible?

Oh forgot this.
My opinion is that i've never seen a non-Bastard game have post restrictions, so not possible.

Is this game a non bastard game? I thought that it was said that there could be some crazy things in it.

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See what I mean on over dramatic?

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For the record that's L1.
A quick lynch now gets my vote tomorrow.

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Also i'm self hammering if im ever at L-1, just letting you know, because i still believe that im just being an obstruction at this point.


Also i'm self hammering if im ever at L-1, just letting you know, because i still believe that im just being an obstruction at this point.

You don't want to play to your win conditions?

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This is the reason I said to wait for others to get involved.
I can understand why you are getting frustrated if you are town but just self voting isn't going to help here.

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Seriously Luna, just chill a bit. You get lynched a lot because how you act to it.
Continuing this on will only make people think worse of you.

So, since there's no restrictions on posting, what's the opinion over NS?

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Lets just move on for now... Please.

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Meanwhile notscience has been avoiding this thread and it's a known meta scumtell of his.
Oh wait im the one who said that
OMG SO IM TRYING TO GET A MISLYNCH!

How many games have you played with NS?

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Meanwhile notscience has been avoiding this thread and it's a known meta scumtell of his.
Oh wait im the one who said that
OMG SO IM TRYING TO GET A MISLYNCH!

How many games have you played with NS?

Over 9000!

In all seriousness more than 10-20, have played with him for over 2 years and a half and we're very good friends outside of mafia.

Well for me activity means piss all.
But at least we have someone who can read him for his in game posts when he starts. I've only played 1 with him so far and I have no tell on what he isn't/is like.

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I'm always shit at looking town.

Okay, so there are restrictions. Can you explain it, or do you not care to explain it (see what I did there?)
For example, is your daily posting limited? 1 I don't care for yes, 2 I don't care for no.

And at the rest, what's the view on restrictions align wise? 1 and 1 or both likely to be the same align?

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Should we all just keep spamming votes then? I think 40 a day each would be efficient.

I'll bite

VOTE: Bulge

Talk to us bulge. You obviously have the same restriction but different mood requirement.

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What we need to do here is find the source of the problem and fix it.

@Peptobislawl - Can you explain why you don't believe Luna's over dramatic claim again?

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What if they are both scum and he's throwing bulge under the bus?

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She picked the first guy who random voted the same as someone else, assuming it was opportunistic to push a "wagon" that would go nowhere, apparently believing that scum could hide better on an RVS wagon than anywhere else during RVS. She then proceeded to defend this as a serious read despite all active players at the time telling her it doesn't make sense.

I get that... But why do you not believe her role claim?

[Vedith]

Hey Vedith, what do you think of someone defending someone else who hasn't really done anything and trying to nitpick the push on him?

I mean, I can see his doubt to not go along with it, but the arguing part seems off. It's as if though he's writing the possibility off while Dav on the other hand seems to be keeping an open mind.

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Oh The ROLLCLAIM, sorry

It seems convenient, since she can only do it even nights, we'd have to wait till D3 to "easily verify" it. Honestly the only thing that makes me think Luna might be town is that scum wouldn't dare be so suicidal.

Follow up question - How can we easily verify it on day 3?
I think that we should give her more credit to the fact that she would be a little more creative as scum. I've seen odd and even nights for roles enough to accept them. Does this seem un ordinary since we have 2 post restriction roles?

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Also idk why i quoted that.

Probably shocked that I'm not calling you scum for once?

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Luna, lets not have a dramatic freak out now. It's just 1 comment from 1 person, make sure you breath.

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@NS - Don't lie when you respond to 306 please.

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People normally start questioning votes or giving what look like actual reasons.

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Well, the easiest way to tell is when they are pulling the trigger on you at night.

It's mainly down to reads, posts with slips/mistakes, role powers confirming, flips of lynches etc.

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As long as it goes into an evidence bag...

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So what's Bulge at now then?

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Would be nice for him to give some input before anyone hammers though.

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Do you not need to quote your own votes?

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Dav's dying wish was to give me his last banana! :'(

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So where are we at now?
Luna, you think I'm scum?

It's 4 vs 2.
If we lynch wrong we lose.

I suggest a no lynch, go into tomorrow 3 vs 2 and see what we have from there.

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No lynch is still done as a standard lynch. It requires 50% +1.

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Well, if no one wants to interact I'm going to end early.
You have 3 hours!

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Fine. So, let's discuss...
Luna is still top town read for me.
Tetaes is probably least for me...

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Because what the fuck, Luna's somehow now your top townread

So here's proof that you haven't been reading the game at least...

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You obviously haven't read the game. I clearly said that I thought she is town. Please read again, and read correctly this time.
If you ask nicely I'll give you the break down in quotes.

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I was going to get to this during my lunch but I got tied up.
I'll go through later. However, Luna is town for the flavour, the role is good enough for the flavour and believable. The dramatic reaction was a huge tell as well.

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Right now I don't like Ved threatening to end the day some 6 RL days early, so he's my scumlean from that for now.

You wanted to chat then everyone went quiet.
Get out of here with soft defending tet XD

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Don't forget flavor is unrelated to alignment in this game.

Well mine matches the flavor perfectly...

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Yeah? So you don't buy the Fox flavor and role still? What about Pacman eating fruit? Is that a lie too?
I think it depends on what people chose. For example, mine was probably easy to decide a role for.

Did I end it? No. I said if no one talks, learn to read what I'm putting. It was close to 12 hours without any other players posting. If you want the time to go on so much then I suggest that you actually try to question or get involved and not lurk.

And just to upset you.

VOTE: No Lynch

PewPew Pept.

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Let that be a lesson... Don't give me shit next time!

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So , Pepto-Bismol. I don't think scum btw...

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*Pept damn phone...

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I have proof that I'm not scum.

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So you didn't get a message?

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No that wasn't me... I think?

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Yeah I double checked...
You should have got that I was a Friendly Horse (FN)...

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Ah okay so the same thing then just saying g town rather than FN. So why did you question my proof if you had it? Lol

So who do you think is scum? I don't think it's me you or pacman...

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I just target someone and it tells them I am town. I thought it 2 as have said FN as well.

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A Mailman would say it's a message but anonymous, right?

This was just a message from the mod saying that I am town, there is a difference, and to be honest if you are trying to make me look scummy for it then I will be suspecting you like shit. XD

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No I was a 1 shot. Otherwise I would have gone Luna night 1

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So, mass claim today?

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What are you on about?
I expected it to say Vedith is FN from my pm but it just said Vedith is town.

But it's pretty obvious I'm town, only scum are going to try and push this against me

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What do you mean? I didn't say that it's Mailman.
It says that I am a friendly neighbour. My fluff is a friendly Horse (Hence the comment that my role fits)

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But I did claim. Did you miss it?

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So do you just receive fruit at random or by a visit?

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Well, since you received a BP that would insinuate more of a town aspect over scum for me.

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I would believe Tetaes if it was an odd night.
I think he is scum.

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Still waiting for Ene to post... Probably scum with Tetas

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So Pept, how's your day?

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What's your role Ene?
What's your view on the claims?

Also, if you and Garmr are not scum, both scum can vote him and win, please remove it for the moment.

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I have a 2/3 chance of randomly hitting scum. I think garmr is the mafia.

This is what I don't like. You are relying on me not lying and you getting it right...

So who did you investigate last night, and what result?

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of course I rely on myself to get it right... or else who else do I rely on?

vote garmr with me, he is the mafia

Why would I do that?
If you are scum, I vote, and then your scum buddy votes and wins.

The fact you want to do this just screams scum.

Who did you investigate and what result?

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It was a silly question though...
I actually hate the BP role, it's always an easy role to claim when scum. It give s a reason why you won't be targeted. Plus, the game has been mirrored. I would expect if you had role restrictions that you would have odd nights to counter the even night role already confirmed.

Now, lets actually talk about something useful. If I was to vote now, do you think I should vote Erne or Garmr?

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i think pepto is town because he confirmed your thing

Pept wouldn't not say regardless of align.

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Pept - willing to vote Ene?

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Pept - How did you go from town to scum in 1 post?

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I'm really not confident in an Ene lynch now... Too many people willing to jump onto it.
Could easily be scum bussing but I think that the strongest bet of finding scum is this;

VOTE: Tetaes

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That's disappointing.

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I was hoping that you guys didn't have day chat and if 1 posted/voted I would have unvoted.

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Cheers for the game all.
And not an issue Bins, was a fun game still!

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Thank you for the banana btw, Dav!

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Yeah the town really screwed up by not talking...
Ene's vote on you was so anti town too lol

But ah well, good game overall.

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We did have day chat but you don't even need to have day chat you just have to know if that person is online or not. As long as you don't talk about the game your not breaking any rules. Because people on here have each other on skype and can talk on site chat. So that's dangerous anyway you do it.

Well I would hope people wouldn't play like that. As that's a pretty shitty way to win.
If you didn't have day talk your votes would have been spread out slighty regardless anyway, I was checking the game constantly between others lol.

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The way I see it, if people have to result to that kind of strategy to get a win on here then they won't be people that I join games with again.