Micro 557 - Badass female u-pick - game over

[Frozen Jeanne]

FB give me a reason that I shouldn't vote you for. find someone townish.... or at least scummy.

this is the last warning

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

lettttttttttttt itttttttt gooooooooooo.

(xsong is playing rn)

Anyways I think FJ & FB are probably scum together. 551 gives me a really bad feel


~<

Don't you dare do that in front of us.

[Frozen Jeanne]

We both agree you and Titus are scum, fyi.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Well, you'd be wrong. Just because we scumread you doesn't mean we cannot suspect anyone else.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Spoiler: For Cuddly

Freeeze

ok everyone has a feeling here. NICE we passed the logical stuffs?

pedit : I threatened him, Jeanne is innocent and I said I have no strong town read besides TTH --- skimming?

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

and the thing jeanne said ^

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

Before you say 'but anyone could say they're town even if they're not', well, so could you and Titus, so try again.

[Frozen Jeanne]

that freeze thing was because you started singing my song

back to game . I was town reading titus till that policy lynch thing as well. suzune is also slightly town lean. FB is null I don't know - town and scum leaned in the same time! and you and Elyse are my scum reads.

so what is foggy ?

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

titus is currently in my null list slightly scum leaned.

and I need more content from RC and star to sort them out

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

We both agree you and Titus are scum, fyi.

Obv your last post makes this one a contradiction ^

Since you are basically saying Titus is null-leaning scum rather than a full blown scum read.

~M

Anyways i really need to finish my work so I can pick up my outside cat from the vet and bring her home. ;-;

the posts without my -frozen mark are from jeanne :/

-frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

and yeah we both feel she is scum. she is more convinced about it - so ?

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

We both agree you and Titus are scum, fyi.

Obv your last post makes this one a contradiction ^

Since you are basically saying Titus is null-leaning scum rather than a full blown scum read.

~M

Anyways i really need to finish my work so I can pick up my outside cat from the vet and bring her home. ;-;

Pot meet the kettle.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Don't say you both agree she's scum when only one of you really feel strongly about it.

why?

[Frozen Jeanne]

I vote we wait for some more RC and Starbuck content, lynch Fire, and ignore the FJ slot unless we have to lynch them

you want to ignore me?!



-frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

Yes

why ?

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

Becuase i don't like the way your testing people?

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

Why? Because you're full of contradictions yourself.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Why? We both think you two are scum, so convince us that you aren't.

[Frozen Jeanne]

You know I don't operate on facts, scum. I operate on gut feeling.

Also, I am ready to give you some facts when you stop white-knighting her.

^

[Frozen Jeanne]

Also, Titus, you want me to listen to you and you're not listening to me?

[Frozen Jeanne]

No, she's not. She is blatantly defending kitteh, not even considering the possibility that kitteh could be scum.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Well, whatever, if you lose to scum, don't pin it on us.

[Frozen Jeanne]

here, town were so easy to trick because they were jumping at each other's throats.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Because I want Titus to stop defending kitteh so intently and start at least considering that she could be scum.

[Frozen Jeanne]

She's EXCLUDING kitteh from any analysis whatsoever. That's dumb. Anyone should be analysed.

[Frozen Jeanne]

And she claims to be useful. Yeah, as useful as a loyalist who won't even consider changing her stance on someone becuz 'irl friends'.

[Frozen Jeanne]

And on top of that, when I actually got the flavor I like, she's trying to ruin my fun by 'polici lyunch'. Fun. Fun that she herself is promoting. *bashes head against the wall*

[Frozen Jeanne]

I gave you something. The fact that you ignore it doesn't mean it magically stopped existing.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Anyways I kinda wish that Titus would stop what's she's doing. It's really not helping the game imo even if it has something to do with her role. /:

Here. Right here. She's afraid that you might have pegged her as scum if you continued what you were doing.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Also, you forget one very important thing. If you two are scum together, you two could have agreed in pregame to make it hard to read you should a situation like this arise.

[Frozen Jeanne]

I mean I wanted to talk to you. I am starting to think Suzune may be scum trying to take advantage of Jeanne's personality. Hell even I want to policy lynch Jeanne. Can you talk to me about your reads on Kitten?

Also, what happened to this. Where did this go? Did it evaporate?

[Frozen Jeanne]

Also, you forget one very important thing. If you two are scum together, you two could have agreed in pregame to make it hard to read you should a situation like this arise.

[Frozen Jeanne]

No, Titus is as well. They purposefully made it so evidence against either would be hard to find.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Titus is a genius, therefore she is in a spot where she can manipulate everyone. When we're in games together, she is usually using me to do it.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Therefore, when she is, I am the only one who can put a stop to it, as the rest of you view me as anti-town and will just roll along with her. The only other person who can put a stop to her is Ranger, but Ranger isn't in this game.

[Frozen Jeanne]

I almost caught her in first Netherspite game. Since then, I've wanted to catch her as scum for real.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Yeah we have a hidden RC in game ...

:/

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

I prefer to don't look at it at all. what are your reads FB. I asked you to give me something

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

I prefer to don't look at it at all. what are your reads FB. I asked you to give me something

-Frozen

I already stated my reads.

which contains everyone in your null list. am I correct ?

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

Elyse I find it interesting that you only write long posts that have scumhunting in them when they are about fire. Almost all your posts so far have been about fire. It is an interesting observation, otherwise your posting style is not my favourite because you look locked in something and that seems so not townie to me. So how you feeling about other people?

I am townreading everyone else except RC and Starbuck.

w8 how different is this from what FB did ? :/ you just put aside inactives and town readed everyone else?

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

@Titus You dodged my point that if you two are scum togethere, you could have agreed to not post much so you'd be harder to catch. Answer it please.

[Frozen Jeanne]

VOTE: Elyse

Load of bunk.

I've read and caught up at this point but I don't have the time or energy to explain what I'm seeing here at this time. I'll get to it

this vote actually gives me a good feeling. w8ing for your reasons RC.

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

farside something is wrong. we (me and Jeanne) are voting kitteh and RC is voting Elyse.

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

Elyse I find it interesting that you only write long posts that have scumhunting in them when they are about fire. Almost all your posts so far have been about fire. It is an interesting observation, otherwise your posting style is not my favourite because you look locked in something and that seems so not townie to me. So how you feeling about other people?

I am townreading everyone else except RC and Starbuck.

But aren't you scum reading fire?

which head said this ?

[Frozen Jeanne]

- frozen ^

[Frozen Jeanne]

Those posts are based on feeling. As long as you lecture me on relying on gut, you have no right to let her slide because she's using gut as well.

[Frozen Jeanne]

STOP DODGING THIS POINT!!!!!!!

@Titus You dodged my point that if you two are scum togethere, you could have agreed to not post much so you'd be harder to catch. Answer it please.

I don't care. You claim you're both town, so you should be able to answer it without fear. The fact that you're dodging it makes it more likely you are, since only scum would dodge the question like that.

So if it's rhetorical, at least answer this. Why do you read kitteh as town so strongly? Given how little content she has, she should be null at best.

Where? I don't see it in this game. All she does is whine about how you play and how I play. Show me the content that doesn't constitute any of these things, and then I might tow read her, though I doubt it.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Also, why aren't you considering that she could be scum? She's your town-read, I get it, but that doesn't mean she should be completely off your scumdar, if you get what I'm saying.

[Frozen Jeanne]

For someone who isn't off your scumdar, you sure are defending her rather stubbornly.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Well, we're your townread too, and I don't see you defending us. In fact, you want to bury us. Double standards are real.

[Frozen Jeanne]

And that's why I want to bury you as well, cos I know we're town and you're going against that.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Anyways I kinda wish that Titus would stop what's she's doing. It's really not helping the game imo even if it has something to do with her role. /:

It is. It's given me

Jeanne town

, you prob town (but you not doing anything but complain is having me doubt), Suzune lean town, TTH on sort fast list.

If you want my push to end, flavor claiming helps.

You liar, you.

[Frozen Jeanne]

And that's why I want to bury you as well, cos I know we're town and you're going against that.

Have you ever seen a t v t fight? Why are you making no effort to sort me? I am scumreading you, therefore I must be scum? That's not logic. That's being defensive.

Says someone who defends kitteh blindly. That is also 'defensive'.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Well, your belief has no bearing on the truth. I'd tell you why, but that game is ongoing.

[Frozen Jeanne]

That read is far outdated. I did say you were town once. I no longer believe that.

This goes for me as well towards you, scumbag.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Remember the game where you were scumbag? I was the only one who knew you are and you used the similar reasoning there. Hence why I call bullshit, scumbag.

[Frozen Jeanne]

No dice. People can't see it. This is a secret between me and those in dead thread for that game.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Well, here's the biggest evidence. You gave it yourself.

@Delenn And I had no choice but to retaliate against you. My plan was to save both davsto and myself, but you fucked that up.

I got no qualms with your play. You were right to suspect I was manipulating the setup.

The biggest issue was you saying I was terrible as town. It allowed me to dismiss you entirely because there was zero chance I was town to you. If I was really town, I would have taken severe issue with your comments because I would feel it was a personal attack.

The fact I was calm when Jeanne issued her attack was the biggest scumslip.

You're rather calm against me here as well. Therefore, by your own moon logic, you're scum here.

I can present more, if you'd like.

[Frozen Jeanne]

And then there's this little thingy

The two most likely people town has for combating this (counting Anti+TTH as one for this particular point to reduce confusion) are eliminated day one.

The only town alive that knows Titus is scum has no chance whatsoever of being able to persuade town to lynch her.

The only other player that is looking at the game as a whole (ika) is the judge, and therefore has no interest in actually outing the information that damns the scumteam.

The end result is that Titus is manipulating town and every single town member still alive is either lurking really hard or aren't looking at how lynching town today makes it impossible for town to win at all now that scum can't flip during the night anymore.

The bolded was me.

And how do you suppose I could prove to you that she's scum based on her context? If she's scum, she'll make damn sure she isn't caught using whatever method available, including being cautious. The fact that you demand proof when there's very little context to go on means you are either scum with her or have very unrealistic expectations.

[Frozen Jeanne]

You should. I was calm because I knew lynching me meant scum got two kills that night. Thus gg town. I had no fear in lylo of being mislynched. Context Jeanne.

Here, I am confident in my towniness. Hence why I am telling you to bring it.

Although you're wrong here, you should do this for all your scum reads if legit. This is what we want. Not whining.

titus I saw your town game. this is SO FAR from it. accusing jeanne of whining is not you. she is not whining she is just trying to prove what she knows about you in her very aggressive way. and that meta looks very interesting.

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

You as town make your town block and organize lynches .

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

And how do you suppose I could prove to you that she's scum based on her context? If she's scum, she'll make damn sure she isn't caught using whatever method available, including being cautious. The fact that you demand proof when there's very little context to go on means you are either scum with her or have very unrealistic expectations.

[Frozen Jeanne]

And yet you still ignore my last post.

[Frozen Jeanne]

There's very little context I can case her on.

[Frozen Jeanne]

You as town make your town block and organize lynches .

-Frozen

And my town block is Mala, Elyse, me and TTH.

mala ? what about the other head of the hydra?

and what do you mean she stopped whining in last few pages . you just called her whining in last page.

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

and explain Elyse please.

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

Well, I re-read and the best I can give her is null-read. No, not town. I think she's scum trying to play it cautiously.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Soren I don't have much of a read on. Mala is generally not a leader as scum.

I have never seen that behavior from scum

Elyse feels town here.

There's nothing that pings as bullshit to me

. Pursuit of fB looked townie.

Jeanne, try.

Frozen, no I said she stopped.

yes I misunderstood that.

what do you mean you never saw scum leading the town? and you town read (even put them in a town block) whoever don't ping bullshit to you?

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

Why? Because most of her posts are hard to read for me and I feel like she's doing that on purpose.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Every one of them. And I won't ask anyone for help. They'll just say 'she's town' and refuse to consider any other possibility, like you.

[Frozen Jeanne]

We decided to work together to get through to you so you won't mislynch us.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Every one of them. And I won't ask anyone for help. They'll just say 'she's town' and refuse to consider any other possibility, like you.

We can't consider what we cannot see. You cased mr. You can case Mala.

Your refusal to do so is scummy.

just if you think we are scum partner with cuddly , which is absurd her refusal means she has nothing substantial and just some feelings. as well I have some about the other head (not mala)

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

RC Starbuck and FJ

so just start explaining.

RC voted elyse
starbuck is not here atm
and we are scum reading you

this is your best case against scums?

-Frzoen

[Frozen Jeanne]

Titus I can't see you trying. its just a bluff.


-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

Based on her posts, she's town, but based on how I feel, she is scum. Besides, when I townread her, you disagreed with that too. Make up your mind.

[Frozen Jeanne]

The only reason your town reading mala is a town meta read I guess.

I don't have that meta read. I'm null on her. but the other head is so wishi washi.

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

I'm waiting for your answer on my post 698

[Frozen Jeanne]

Because you're the one attacking me for disagreeing with your townread on her. Is that how you play it? Anyone who disagrees with you is scum?

[Frozen Jeanne]

Explain how a push can be garnered against someone who's deliberately trying to post as cautious as possible to stay off the spotlight.

[Frozen Jeanne]

And I am not analysing her at the moment, I am analysing you. I will start analysing her when I am capable of it, which, with her current posts, I am not.

[Frozen Jeanne]

@elyse,

My gut doesn't feel good about Suzune. I don't trust her. I don't get how anyone can be confident in Suzune as town or scum atm.

RC hasn't been here. Nor has Starbuck. You're acting scummy by refusing to quantify your Mala push.

Everyone else is moderately townie.

Those two contradict each other.

[Frozen Jeanne]

RC Starbuck and FJ

so just start explaining.

RC voted elyse
starbuck is not here atm
and we are scum reading you

this is your best case against scums?

-Frzoen

RC hasn't been here. Nor has Starbuck. You're acting scummy by refusing to quantify your Mala push.

Everyone else is moderately townie.

so you scum read inactives? and pardon me. I'm pushing mala? I'm pushing their hydra because one head is scummy enough.

oh god. are you even trying. I mean seriously your showing yourself as a high mentor to jeanne this whole game. but your not even trying to find scum yourself.

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

My gut doesn't feel good about Suzune. I don't trust her. I don't get how anyone can be confident in Suzune as town or scum atm.

You know, I took the time to write a whole paragraph about it. :\

this vote actually gives me a good feeling.

Same here.
UNVOTE:

Why?

Pending the explanation, but I think I have a pretty good idea about how it's going to go. It's a marker I would expect RC's scumhunting method to pick up on.
If RC was to fake an entering read, I would expect a different target.

exactly why I got that good feeling

[Frozen Jeanne]

-frozen ^

[Frozen Jeanne]

Don't bother. She clearly wants to persecute everyone who disagrees with her. Also, she doesn't trust Suzune, yet suddenly Suzune is a 'moderate town read' to her. *hea starts spinning* Cut the bs.

[Frozen Jeanne]

That is what I read. I read what I read? You want to force me to see things your way. Thanks, but I have a mind of my own.

[Frozen Jeanne]

because she is jeanne

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

@Suzune Because if I get mislynched, my other head dies as well.

[Frozen Jeanne]

@Suzune Because if I get mislynched, my other head dies as well.

no need to worry sweetie we won't get misslynched.

-Frzoen

[Frozen Jeanne]

I like when I make Frozen Frzoen I think I did that several times so far

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

Team? Don't make me laugh. If we were really a team, then Titus wouldn't be trying to mislynch me for one little thing.

[Frozen Jeanne]

I used to, but you clearly don't give a damn what I alignment I am, because pooolicy lynnnnnch.....so I stopped giving a damn as well.

[Frozen Jeanne]

You know there are other people in this game then Titus right?

Yes there are, but to be blunt, you all follow Titus like sheep.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Orly? Now you play that card. I see everyone agreeing with her on me being scum.

[Frozen Jeanne]

I point out inconsistencies in her behaviour, you or someone else immediately jumps to her defense. You're clearly standing behind her in every single thing.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Well, you're getting under mine as well.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Not to mention that half of the things you lecture me on are things you're doing yourselves. When you stop doing those things, then you can lecture me. Examples include.

1. Answering questions for someone else
2. Being emotional
3. Trying to mislynch a town because they disagree with you

etc etc

[Frozen Jeanne]

I don't understand why people continue to interact with the Jeanne slot

because your trying to force them ignore it ?

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

TBH Titus, I'd rather lynch FJ then Fire. For two reasons actually;

1. I really want to think you're town, but I feel like paranoia will eat me again this game. last time I let you guide me onto a lynch you diverted me off your scum partner and onto a shiny mislynch. So I'm scared that's what you could be doing again and honestly if that's the case I'm jut going to be so pissed at myself.

2. Mainly because I really can't stand FJ's tunnel, noise and they are really just a big distraction at this point.

I don't understand why they are saying they like my posts and they are somewhat town, but willing to ignore that and focus on gut to go after me. It's like it doesn't make any sense and even I wouldn't just 'trust' my gut like that especially if someone's posts look town even though my gut hates this said person.

~M

OK, you want to lynch us because you think titus is town.
and you can't stay Jeanne play style , so she is scum.

convinced enough. GG

I don't understand why people continue to interact with the Jeanne slot

Can we like just lynch it?

~M

Nope, you can't lynch it.

Spoiler: Jeanne and Frozen

Hi there. :3

I've been following your posting for a while. As an outsider to your earlier game conversations and someone with absolutely

no

vendetta against either of you, my assessment of your behavior this game is that you've been irrationally paranoid and excessively hostile. Unfortunately, your choleric attitude has only succeeded in alienating most of players in this game.

I'm not saying this to be mean or to put you down. I'm saying this because I'm almost certain you're town and I'm can't say the same about both Titus and CuddlyKitteh. Whatever valid points you may or may not have against them are getting swallowed up in this awful maw of butthurt and bitterness. My suggestions would be to post less frequently, not feel like you have to have the last word in your engagements with Titus, and consolidate your points against your scumreads into a longer post.

That's really all I have to say. I hope something I said resonates with you.

note taken Me and Jeanne are both so emotional and sensitive players. She has something else as well : she won't let go of a case when she catch it.

so yeah I think I can see why its so frustrating for town to play with us

I don't understand why people continue to interact with the Jeanne slot

Can we like just lynch it?

~M

Hi! ^_^/

What role does Soren play in the hydra, Mala?

This is the point I was asking! I asked tones of questions from soren but all got discarded by Mala . Mala I had a null read on you and a scum read on the other head. that's so hard to understand?

[Frozen Jeanne]

I prefer to don't look at it at all. what are your reads FB. I asked you to give me something

-Frozen

I already stated my reads.

If anyone has a free vig kill handy, I'll go ahead and tell you I don't plan on using my action on Firebringer.

See I agree with this. Fire is a good vig target, so is FJ.

everyone has a free ticket to our castle tonight (if we're getting protected). you don't want to loose us do you?

You should. I was calm because I knew lynching me meant scum got two kills that night. Thus gg town. I had no fear in lylo of being mislynched. Context Jeanne.

Here, I am confident in my towniness. Hence why I am telling you to bring it.

Although you're wrong here, you should do this for all your scum reads if legit. This is what we want. Not whining.

titus I saw your town game. this is SO FAR from it. accusing jeanne of whining is not you. she is not whining she is just trying to prove what she knows about you in her very aggressive way. and that meta looks very interesting.

-Frozen

Actually I think this is probably her towngame. I have seen nibbles of her scum-game in this as well, but a lot more of her town-meta.

you two were buddying each other for no solid reason whole damn game. I can see why Jeanne is so obsessed with you two.

no http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=64284

it was Titus reaction to Jeanne same playstyle. lots of inconsistency.

You as town make your town block and organize lynches .

-Frozen

She's done this. Multiple times. I mean maybe if you stepped back, stop flooding the thread with a shitton of posts and came back with a calm attitude to maybe explain your reads rather than being a defensive, spammy fuck that maybe you could see that people are doing what you're describing. You are too caught up in Titus/I being scum together that you're drowning the thread out. Seriously make a fucking case or shut up for at least half a day. I really need to hear from RC and Starbuck and more from Fire, but I can't if you are just going to constantly yell "OMG KITTEH SCUM, TITUS SCUM, PLEASE LYNCH IT EVEN THOUGH I DONT WANNA EPXLAIN MYSELF, BUT SHOULD BE LYNCHED BECAUSE SHES A HYPOCRITE".

I mean honestly this is the only thing I can gather that's the closest thing of a case on me:

You didn't like me calling you out regarding RC.
You didn't like me stopping the fluff re:titus' role.
You mistakenly thought I was trying to hide my flavor claim. (which I wasn't)
You are calling me a hypocrite because I told you to use common sense when clearly titus was giving me a hug after i said I slammed my knee because I forgot to put my car in park and chased after it.

there is no case against you (as the mala head) from me. I have concerns about the "soren" head.

- why she used the term brownies point and then claimed she is not twon reasing Elyse.
- why she hesitated to talk about your character
- why she vanishes behind you and you answer all the questions we ask about her?

and I never said I'm scum reading you, your in my null scum lean slot becuase i can't town read you at all. you say Jeanne makes to noise. I can't see your try to solve the game at all.

and next time don't quote a post of mine and tell all the thing Jeanne said against you because we are two different persons in one slot. not two slots which are playing by one person.

@elyse,

My gut doesn't feel good about Suzune. I don't trust her. I don't get how anyone can be confident in Suzune as town or scum atm.

I'm pretty sure she's town. As I said I had to meta her in the pie/sakura mini because she was pinging my scumradar pretty hard. There was two tells that was present harder in her scum games and neither of those two tells are present currently.

Based on her posts, she's town, but based on how I feel, she is scum. Besides, when I townread her, you disagreed with that too. Make up your mind.

^ I didn't like this post.

what do you like my lady ? Titus asked jeanne reads on Suzane she shared them. a null town lean

Which part you don't like?

The only reason your town reading mala is a town meta read I guess.

I don't have that meta read. I'm null on her. but the other head is so wishi washi.

-Frozen

I really don't get this hydra at all. at all. Unless I'm misreading this I don't understand how you're still going after my lynch if Jeanne thinks I'm scum, but you're reading me as null.

Still don't get this at all.

so you advertise lynching everyone you can't understand?

So I am not sure who I should blame for the amount of strange filler in this game Jeanne or Titus. Clearly if it is some kind of combined effort to be annoying by constantly going back and forth I noticed.

Honestly it's a mixture of them both. Early game it was more Titus than Jeanne, but it's Jeanne(i think currently). I mean she has almost double posts of the highest poster.

and yet you believe titus is town, whatever happens. and whats the problem with being active? we both are so active players. and our Hydra ... well It will be too noisy

@Suzune Because if I get mislynched, my other head dies as well.

OH I mean, so this doesn't apply to me either?? I'm a hydra, if I die soren dies.

@Suzune Because if I get mislynched, my other head dies as well.

no need to worry sweetie we won't get misslynched.

-Frzoen

Don't be so confident. Maybe if we're lucky you'll be vigged if I don't lynch you this day.

nope. i'm so confident no one will miss lynch me darling.

and again the vig shout.

@Suzune Because if I get mislynched, my other head dies as well.

That is the same for all of us and for ever hydra ever. What you seem to fail to realise is that the rest of the town is a team too. Being defensive makes me want to poke you because clearly something is wrong because it means you have something to hide.

^this.

~M

So you find jeanne emotions scummy? and you just said something exactly same?

-Frozen (both posts)

[Frozen Jeanne]

Yeah okay

so it turns out that tell doesn't apply at all.

What the actual fuck

UNVOTE: FJ

That's what I get for not doing research properly.

~M

so you want to go with vig shot ?! I thought your case on jeanne was about her emotions not a meta read ... (or I got it wrong?)

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

alright

UNVOTE:

soren answer strangely convinced me about her actions so far.

I just want a night phase.

you can't have one if your scum

VOTE: Titus

why you significantly different from the last town game we had together?

and why are you acting like a mentor for Jeanne?

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

@FA false, she wants to bury us. However, I agree with the vote.

[Frozen Jeanne]

What are your thoughts on Fire?

I need to see him after VLA. he is just inactive now. his "all are scummy post" means nothing atm

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

What are your thoughts on Fire?

I need to see him after VLA. he is just inactive now. his "all are scummy post" means nothing atm

-Frozen

For the sake of us, we might as well give her what she wants and let Fire eat rope. She'll mislynch us if we don't.

no we wont do that unless its the only thing remains.

Titus is not the usual titus I really can't see why you can't see that? titus following someone to a tunnel and she suggests policy lynch? and she is so suddenly very motivated to lynch inactives ?

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

I want to lynch Jeanne, however I have become so bias over it. She is annoying me and as much as I want her gone, and I could come up with many reasons I think she is scummy. The heart of the reason is that I want her gone, and I would do anything to find scum in her actions. Therefore, my frustration leads me to not want to vote because it is not coming from a terribly evidence driven study but a emotional one. I was doing better with it yesterday noticing the defensiveness and the inability to see the town as allies and when I can get a little time I might go back and make a case for it. However, at the current moment without clearing my thoughts and seeing it objectively I cannot. Soon though, very soon.

Are you sirious? you confessed your going to policy lynch a slot because of the holder's personality. and you want to start producing reasons for it?!!

god ...

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

Well I would not say I confessed to wanting a policy lynch. I confessed to your personality in this game being a factor, but that there were other elements involved.

what other factors?

make a case for it ...

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

@FA I do see that, however, there's no point in going after her. Everyone is currently inclined to believe her over us. We can lynch her later.

[Frozen Jeanne]

but frankly Jeanne's noise is overwhelming the other head's thoughts.

.......... all my reads on titus , TTH , you has no relation about how Jeanne feels about them

thats the base you can get for ignoring our slot ?

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

TTH whats your read on Titus and Elyse ?

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

thats the base you can get for ignoring our slot ?

Best *

[Frozen Jeanne]

VOTE: Frozen Angel / Jeanne hydra

whose a little scum again!

yes you are!

RC siriously?

[Frozen Jeanne]

-Frozen ^

[Frozen Jeanne]

Except that is still wouldn't be enough to join us. Seriously, though, are you that happy to mislynch us? And please don't say 'it's not a mislynch' because 1. It's factually untrue and 2. You exhibited the same conviction when you were scum, and therefore saying that is a scumslip.

[Frozen Jeanne]

TTh wanna help me to pressure Titus a little bit?

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

Doesn't make it any less of a mislynch. Asking again, are you happy with a mislynch?

[Frozen Jeanne]

Why so defensive? BECAUSE LYNCHING A CONFIRMED TOWNIE IS BAD, AND TO MYSELF I AM A CONFIRMED TOWNIE.

[Frozen Jeanne]

And I love how you're ignoring the 2nd part of that statement, kitteh. I love how you are ignoring the possibility that I am town. It makes me so much happier to fry you.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Also, 533 wasn't me, it was my other head. But okay. Mislynch me and you'll regret it. This is not a threat as in vengeful or such, it's a promise. You'll see why when we flip/. Just make sure you allow us to claim before you hammer us.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Jeanne you asked me to tell you why I thought you were scummy other than I thought you were distracting.

What is wrong with you guys?

what is this stupid question?

and

That is what I read. I read what I read? You want to force me to see things your way. Thanks, but I have a mind of my own.

Why are you so defensive?

These posts strike me as overly defensive. The more you push how stupid you think we are or that our questions are pointless makes me wonder if you are using it as a deflection technique. It looks like you are trying to hide behind your attitude and use it as your shield. Although the other head of the hydra is not against doing this either:

policy lynch!!!
Titus you know jeanne better than this...
-frozen

This one is also overly defensive. Lynching Jeanne has been talked about several times over the course of the game. However, this post is again only directed at Titus even though we are all the ones talking about it.

This defensiveness strikes me mafia. Jeanne is known for her random rampages where people do not agree with her. However, this is the first time, that because we are scum reading her she is on the rampage and the other side of the hydra is backing this strange maneuver.

And this? I believe my other head asked for real case, one that doesn't use my personality as a crutch. #FAIL

[Frozen Jeanne]

Between Jeanne and FA I'm so sick of this that I don't really feel like posting atm.

Yeah It must be though for everyone

Jeanne you asked me to tell you why I thought you were scummy other than I thought you were distracting.

What is wrong with you guys?

what is this stupid question?

and

That is what I read. I read what I read? You want to force me to see things your way. Thanks, but I have a mind of my own.

Why are you so defensive?

These posts strike me as overly defensive. The more you push how stupid you think we are or that our questions are pointless makes me wonder if you are using it as a deflection technique. It looks like you are trying to hide behind your attitude and use it as your shield. Although the other head of the hydra is not against doing this either:

policy lynch!!!
Titus you know jeanne better than this...
-frozen

This one is also overly defensive. Lynching Jeanne has been talked about several times over the course of the game. However, this post is again only directed at Titus even though we are all the ones talking about it.

This defensiveness strikes me mafia. Jeanne is known for her random rampages where people do not agree with her. However, this is the first time, that because we are scum reading her she is on the rampage and the other side of the hydra is backing this strange maneuver.

ok let me be clear : I brought a meta about Titus reacting so different to Jeanne. and you call it defensive?

well actully your not that wrong. both me and Jeanne are pretty much defensive in every matter. thats our personality. But your thinking I'm defensive for bringing a meta read about How Titus reacting to my other head?!

Except that is still wouldn't be enough to join us. Seriously, though, are you that happy to mislynch us? And please don't say 'it's not a mislynch' because 1. It's factually untrue and 2. You exhibited the same conviction when you were scum, and therefore saying that is a scumslip.

I'm pretty sure if I'm reading it right we'd only need one more person to lynch you.

The amount of people scumreading you is pretty high.

Anyways off for the night, long day, long week ahead of me


~m

you call a "policy lynch" request a "scum read" ! and if they wanted to lynch us we were been voted by now. This is not funny for talking about other continuous at all ...

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

Very well, you want our lynch and yet you ignore any of our defences. That seems scummy to me. >.>

[Frozen Jeanne]

FINE, WE'LL VOTE FIRE IF YOU'D STOP SCUMREADING US.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Okay then, I'll just quote

[Frozen Jeanne]

Asking again, are you happy with a mislynch?

How about it, scum! Titus? Do you want our mislynch because it helps you win?

[Frozen Jeanne]

And now that I have, you refuse to answer it. Well, fine

VOTE: Titus

Titus and Suzune scum-team. We called it first.

[Frozen Jeanne]

My other head specifically asked for a case that doesn't rely on my emotions. Suzune gives the case which relies on my emotions as a crutch.

[Frozen Jeanne]

And Titus ignores us.

[Frozen Jeanne]

@Titus Answer the questions. And if you are going to mislynch us for being ourselves, get over yourself! If we do something inherently scummy, like hammering without a claim, then lynch us. But being lynched for being ourselves is ridiculous.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Asking again, are you happy with a mislynch?

How about it, scum! Titus? Do you want our mislynch because it helps you win?

Some questions are rhetorical. No one is happy with a mislynch. Town and scum define that word differently.

Yet you seem happy with our mislynch. Why is that?

[Frozen Jeanne]

Well, yeah, because I have scumread on kitteh and you're not moving an inch. If you really wanted to scumhunt, you'd pressure her, but no, you go 'she's town, she's town, she's town' ad infinitum not even considering other possibilities. It annoys me really.

And it's not like you're scumhunting either. You're all just sitting in the thread and waiting for us or Fire to get mislynched.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Not to mention you're strangely lethargic here, Titus. The town you would have snapped at us already. I see none of that.

[Frozen Jeanne]

I won't put EB in L1, specially when RC is lying low ....

its DANGEROUS you know? I don't want a lynch yet.

@FB you have 3 days to convince the town in your wagon that he is wrong or I will join your wagon. You did nothing for the game and that's scummy ...

and Elyse he is in my slightly scum lean category. I'm more convinced about Titus atm.

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

Hey ladies, about halfway through reading. I'll have some substance up for you tonight.

Pinky swears.

I can forgive getting stood up, but violating the sanctity of the pinky swear?

That's just low.

yeah! she is one of the reasons I'm not joining FB wagon

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

@FB you have 3 days to convince the town in your wagon that he is wrong or I will join your wagon. You did nothing for the game and that's scummy ...

This post just screams like "I am going to lynch you regardless of what you say"

Why don't you just vote me anyways, I think you kind of are waiting for nothing right now.

when I said that? I'm saying you must start making progression in game - fast , which it seems your slightly doing better...

whats your current reads again? everyone-but-yourself scummy yet ?

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

I dunno. Fire seems null to me.

[Frozen Jeanne]

I convinced her that we need to have a more open mind about people in hydra chat What are you trying to prove?

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

I am bored.

Let's lynch.

Someone scumclaim.

we can lynch you

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

I convinced her that we need to have a more open mind about people in hydra chat What are you trying to prove?

-Frozen

It looked like a possible scumslip. As if you knew Fire would be a mislynch.

don't mess with my other head please!

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

And before you go 'you're ignoring my point', you're ignoring ours as well, so we have every right to ignore yours.

I convinced her that we need to have a more open mind about people in hydra chat What are you trying to prove?

-Frozen

It looked like a possible scumslip. As if you knew Fire would be a mislynch.

Or maybe I just have him as nulltown

[Frozen Jeanne]

VOTE: RC

We need to reach a lynch.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Everyone could be scum. That applies to us and you as well.

[Frozen Jeanne]

And us, who are town as well.

[Frozen Jeanne]

No. You all need to experience how it feels to be scumread as town like we are in this game. Maybe then you'll townread us in upcoming days.

[Frozen Jeanne]

I AM SAYING SUZUNE, YOU, TITUS AND EVERYONE ELSE ARE SCUMREADING US EVEN IF WE'RE TOWN IN THIS GAME AND I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF IT.
B

[Frozen Jeanne]

AND IT JUST BECAUSE I FEEL KITTEH IS SCUM AGAINST HER MAJESTY'S WISHES.

[Frozen Jeanne]

IF YOU AGREE THAT KITTEH AND TITUS ARE SCUM TOGETHER, THEN YES.

[Frozen Jeanne]

I once did, but her majesty and the followers refused to budge, so I kinda gave it up. I suppose I could try it once more.

VOTE: Titus

[Frozen Jeanne]

By the way, guess who got NKed night 2 is Suikoden? Town neighborizer.

[Frozen Jeanne]

"we need to reach a lynch"?

is that fucking FA or Jeanne?

fucking FA ?

really RC ?



we go for a titus lynch

IF YOU AGREE THAT KITTEH AND TITUS ARE SCUM TOGETHER, THEN YES.

we're not agreed to that. we only see both of them as candidate scums.

I'm happy with a titus lynch. TTH please stop spreading the Idea of a policy lynch. I rather no lynch if it comes to that ...

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

Where did I talk about a policy lynch? :S

Sturbuck ?

@RC I can join in Elyse lynch . TTH is not on my red radar atm .

I don't like to heart my other heads feelings! If we want to go on Elyse lynch I need to talk to her about that first ... and I still think Titus is scummier so I'm more happy with the current lynch pool.

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

How do you feel about Jeanne voting me though? >.>

I ?

I'm really null on you. your a little bit higher than FB.

Sturbuck ?

Not a policy lynch at all. Are you reading my posts?

I read them and I can't see any other reason than her inactivity = a policy lynch .

Any scum slip you wanna mention about her ?

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

*head starts to spin*

[Frozen Jeanne]

This is really girls game! I'm kind of satisfied atm!

thx farside for this great game!

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

I've been sitting here waiting very patiently for anything even remotely resembling an attempt at content and Starbuck has padded her catch up posts while artfully working to avoid providing any. It's mostly a compilation of quips that blend in with the general annoyance at the Frozen Jeanne hydra without providing a definitive read. That little blurb about Firebringer is another crack at an "opinion" but it falls really flat in that the case is mostly misstated and the safe, negative position is taken.

^ here

your voting her because she simply couldn't catch up with game as your saying it ...

If its not a policy lynch your suggesting then what is it?

But I'm kind of surprised that Star show up right after the accusations ...

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

all the posts without -frozen tag are came from jeanne! I said because it was asked before ...

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

Whats an Elvish Mongrel?

and TTh your saying she couldn't make efficient catch up posts which suggests your accusing her of being inactive which she is! Am I really that bad in English ?! :/

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

Kitteh and Elyse I want your reads on Titus .

Elyse why your saying TTH is obv town? can I see a post that shows you tried sorting her out?

and I will freeze the next person who is trying to teach anything to my other head. seriously , there are different playstyles. I know that she and I both need to be a little bit more logical , But there is nothing wrong with playing emotional.

who else could win this ? :

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=64429

or this ? :

http://board.us.ikariam.gameforge.com/b ... mafia-101/

My emotions accuracy will blow your mind ...

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

Kitteh and Elyse I want your reads on Titus .

Elyse why your saying TTH is obv town? can I see a post that shows you tried sorting her out?

and I will freeze the next person who is trying to teach anything to my other head. seriously , there are different playstyles. I know that she and I both need to be a little bit more logical , But there is nothing wrong with playing emotional.

who else could win this ? :

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=64429

or this ? :

http://board.us.ikariam.gameforge.com/b ... mafia-101/

My emotions accuracy will blow your mind ...

-Frozen

Let them do what they want as long as it doesn't hurt the town.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Wtf..

Yeah, that wagon is patently bullshit. I can confirm myself at night thanks to flavor claims.

Mislynch someone else.

And you taught me that role isn't alignment indicative....

[Frozen Jeanne]

yep ^

-frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

Visit us tonight. we can see if your telling the truth or not if you visit us.

If your agreed to this we will quit your wagon.

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

@Frozen, don't trust you.

hey, hey , and you want me to trust you?

there are no mafia veteran. come on me and I will confirm you tomorrow. actually all Pr roles should come! this is going to be fun in our frozen castle

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

We can confirm you all

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

if only titus accepts to visit my slot.

[Frozen Jeanne]

^ -Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

We have same reads. We just don't have the same personality.

and its not frustration. Its Jeanne usual ATE. Check out one of her town games and you see what I'm saying.

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

We can lynch cuddly or Elyse. their my next scum reads (after titus)

But I need titus confirmation about visiting me.

-frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

I don't get it, Titus? You expect us to trust you when you don't trust us? Trust goes both ways, you know.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Your reads sucks ...

or your scum.

I can confirm anyone who visits me . I can't hardclaim loader. i'm not joking. This is not something funny. I need protection tonight and i need everyone to visit me. this is the only way I can confirm myself as town.

-Frozen.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Louder*

I'm not a loader I'm Town Self Watcher

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

I opened by requesting people to visit me backkk in ISO

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

Well, then we don't trust you. You need to earn our trust too. >.>

By visiting us.

In fact, I'll treat anyone who doesn't visit us as a scumclaim.

[Frozen Jeanne]

Well, our gambit involves cop checking us.

^^^^^^

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

We were talking about the proper way to force everyone visit us. later claims made us think we must claim directly to get the proper response...

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

Elyse or Elsa? Because I was pretty sure that you claimed Elsa.

okay, you're crazy, I get it now

- Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

Also, if you could post on your hydra account, that'd be great.

shit!

Did you do flavor in the 20 questions portion?

ha?!

I'm Elyse, the queen of Ice. and the town self watcher. Waiting to see you all in my castle tonight!

Bring sweet candies and stuff! Its going to be a long night!

-Frozen

you missed Elyse thing in first pages?

what do you think is my flavor?

-Frozen

^^^ sorry

[Frozen Jeanne]

*freezes you*

- Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

*knock knock knock knock knock knock*

Do you wanna build a snowman?

Sure!

more dance!



if your really neighborizer you must come to me!

[Frozen Jeanne]

-frozen again ^

[Frozen Jeanne]

why?!

we can be friends!

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

Who is up for an Elyse lynch?

VOTE: Elyse

I'm doing this because Titus can be confirmed by me tonight ... and I don't really see scum RC atm.

everyone this train will reach the lynch!

all PR's on us. last warning!

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

- you started the day with asking a wierd question about why didn't i put RC in L1.

- you were very obsessed with jeanne whole day long.

- You asked her lots of questions. attacked her answer but called her town several times.

- Your ISO is really different from what I'm expecting from a logical player like you.

- you just ignored some players and advertised lynching others (very channelized view)

- you started advertising a policy lynch on star few pages ago without even saying it.

-You seems desperate and scared after all these claims

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

Thats enough for me to put her in my scum lean list

-frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

Truth is this game's been incredibly frustrating for me.

I don't function well under pressure and people have been pushing on me literally this entire game.

I'm just about done trying to read people and will gladly systematically lynch everyone who even talks about lynching me if I'm going to be left alive.

If you lay off me then I'll consider lynching my other scumreads. Otherwise, goodbye; one way or the other.

Wah wah wah.

FA I'll respond to you later but no I did not see your hard claim...?

@Starbuck
You haven't really done anything that makes me think you're town. But now I only want to lynch RC.

Louder*

I'm not a loader I'm Town Self Watcher

-Frozen

Really?

- Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

You still ignore the claim I made.

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

Oops, the cat is out of the bag. Yes, most of the last two pages were me pretending to be my other head.

[Frozen Jeanne]

We discussed this and figured that if I impersonate her, people were more likely to listen to me.

[Frozen Jeanne]

And again you want us to do as you say. We aren't your slaves and we have a mind of our own, you know?

[Frozen Jeanne]

Help your queen Elsa to make a lynch here

this is really me btw

we wanted to show you that we aren't that different!

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

FB is kind of inactive all over the forum. I'm not policy-lynching people

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

And don't forget to bring cookies tonight!

We have a christmas tree as well

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

Leave that to my other head.

[Frozen Jeanne]

We have 1 day.

I'm here no worries.

Intent to hammer FB because of not posting substantial posts and avoiding contribute anything in day 1 and more importantly avoiding no lynch.

If you want to claim you don't have so much time.

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

No you won't TTH. If there was no reset in vote counts I will hammer him myslef.

I'm here for the next 17 hours.

[Frozen Jeanne]

and don't forget to visit my Icy castle tonight people!

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

He was really angry when there was no vote reset in last page that I will w8 for another vote count.

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

But seriously I thought that had to have been written by Jeanne because I'm used to you making grammatical errors and such all over the place but your writing has actually improved so much.

Good going!

[Frozen Jeanne]

It's high time now.

VOTE: Firebringer

-Frozen

[Frozen Jeanne]

that was really jeanne ........

-Frozen ^^^^^^^^^^^