Micro 584: RuPaul's Drag Race Season 1 - Day 2

[pirate mollie]

hey guys

whats going on

[pirate mollie]

huh

[pirate mollie]

okay yeah game is gonna get dumb real quick

I am a lyncher/survivor on confscum so you can help out with that or...not. I am wondering if there are 3 scum.

I am helping town cos it helps me in that the numbers support majority if we work it right. the game will end faster. and I am a town player at heart.

I am not gonna say who is my target yet cos I wanna see who jumps at this and who ignores it.

[pirate mollie]

okay yeah game is gonna get dumb real quick

I am a lyncher/survivor on confscum so you can help out with that or...not. I am wondering if there are 3 scum.

I am helping town cos it helps me in that the numbers support majority if we work it right. the game will end faster. and I am a town player at heart.

I am not gonna say who is my target yet cos I wanna see who jumps at this and who ignores it.

If you're not claiming your target, there is no way we'll know if your target is scum.

I am not claiming my target

YET

.

I take it you missed that 3 letter word. since I am a lyncher on scum which like never happens ever i thought only usurpers did that am thinking there might be more than 2 scum. if town want my help I here cos the faster the game ends the quicker I can meet the second part of of my wc not that my hopes are super high.

[pirate mollie]

okay yeah game is gonna get dumb real quick

I am a lyncher/survivor on confscum so you can help out with that or...not. I am wondering if there are 3 scum.

I am helping town cos it helps me in that the numbers support majority if we work it right. the game will end faster. and I am a town player at heart.

I am not gonna say who is my target yet cos I wanna see who jumps at this and who ignores it.

If this is legit you should just claim sooner rather than later to avoid losing credibility.
Also aren't 3rd parties considered a threat to town and doesn't that mean we need to kill you o.o

I am pretty you are already plotting my death in the scum pt beeboy!

[pirate mollie]

Mollie the thing is you can't be trusted as a lyncher because once you kill your target we can't punish you for lying.

hey peeps you shld do a search on how many times i have said "do you know who wants to lynch indies? scum that is who".

[pirate mollie]

moillie do you know the character of the one you need to lynch?
the name of him?
or what?

I was given the actual name of the player. it is why I think there are more than 2 scum in the game!

[pirate mollie]

also my character is gorgeous. I love her.

[pirate mollie]

is it said you know that character is scum or not ?

yes it says they are scum. it is why I think there are more than 2 scum in the game.

[pirate mollie]

ok dokkie

you better claim it today definetly.

you might get janited or something - who knows

well yeah we are lynching them today. but I wanna fish out another scum and see if my pet theory that there is more than 2 is correct.

are you up to speed now

[pirate mollie]

Frozen mollie is lying to you. She wants an Ez lyncher win

that must be why I outed so early instead of cleverly planning a lynch on confscum as lyncher/survivor so that i can help town and end the game quicker in order to meet my wc.

worried?

[pirate mollie]

The problem with this claim is we only know the target is scum when we see the flip. Mollie will have left the game by then.

what part of the survivor part do you not understand

[pirate mollie]

not that I have much hopes with that, town will might get derpy

[pirate mollie]

Mollie I think you are lying about survivor to make us trust you

yes. cos I do that all the time. and it wld totally make sense from a sole lyncher when there are more optimal strategies with that single wc in play with that role.

trigger warning: some parts of that post might be sarcasm.

I ain't lying about my wc. or my lynch target.

this might be a litmus test.

[pirate mollie]

I take it you missed that 3 letter word. since I am a lyncher on scum which like never happens ever i thought only usurpers did that am thinking there might be more than 2 scum. if town want my help I here cos the faster the game ends the quicker I can meet the second part of of my wc not that my hopes are super high.

I just find it a little... unbalanced see? and pointless

a lyncher on scum is essential a town. in other words a pointless role, kinda imbalanced if anything.

And your method was weird considering you could have just claimed a cop guilty on day 2 while playing the lurker card. At least I know I would.

Mollie correct me if I am wrong but doesnt a lyncher win if he was lynched and his target was lynched as well or what?

I have 2 wcs 1 is to lynch my target the other is to survive.

given I don't usually last long in games for me this is the best play I think which to appeal to town and say I CAN DELIVER THE GOODS.

depends on the group intelligence of town tho. I am trying to be optimistic.

[pirate mollie]

like I want to believe mollie but this seems ridiculous?

welcome to my indie game where I try to help town and sometimes get screwed over!

I have explained it 50 times what my gameplan was. lynch scum and hopefully survive. i am trying to be optimistic here. i want a shorter game which is why I am openly aligning myself with town. how hard is this to understand.

[pirate mollie]

3rd parties don't win with town why can't you guys wrap your heads around this.

survivors win with whoever else wins. I want a shorter game so I am siding with town/majority.

shorter game = mollie meets her wc

but i get you have to throw shade on me and I find it funny

[pirate mollie]

survivors win with whoever else wins. I want a shorter game so I am siding with town/majority.

shorter game = mollie meets her wc

but i get you have to throw shade on me and I find it funny

If your in Lylo/Mylo you will side with scum though out fear town won't believe you are a survivor.

wow you are psychic

/sarcasm



okay so if any1 needs a crash course in scumflailing this is it. beeboy is my target.

I like you beeboy but you are scum and you are my target! I suppose i was not subtle about this at all.

[pirate mollie]

lol

VOTE: beeboy

[pirate mollie]

You harm town in all situations I really hope you are trying to pull some gambit as town because you really didn't think this through at all.

lol

[pirate mollie]

mollie you promise ur not fronting us?

BRO is the guy who like hates cops with a passion and any sort of definite guilty. Like I don't see how a guy who campaigns so crazily against cops would put this in his game? I want to believe you but like wtf

cos i am a indie lyncher/survivor not a cop and bro knows how incredibly stupid town will get

and most indies don't side with anybody other than themselves.

ffs i am trying to help you pple

[pirate mollie]

The problem with this claim is we only know the target is scum when we see the flip. Mollie will have left the game by then.

what part of the survivor part do you not understand

usually a lyncher leaves the game when their target is lynched.
If their target is killed during the night, they become survivors.

How does your role work?

I get my target lynched. who will turn up scum. and then I suffer through the rest of the game and possibly might spam pics of michelle visage whom I love BUT I WILL STILL HELP YOU PPLE HOPING YOU WON'T GET DUMB! AND BY PPLE I MEAN TOWN NOT SCUM COS THEY WILL WANT MY BLOOD.

whoops

[pirate mollie]

wow. its almost like you guys read the second part of my wc.

[pirate mollie]

omfg lynch beeboy already

I have been playing for 8 years do you honestly think l wld not out my role if did not have a good reason? i wanted to help you guys cos y'all were starting to derp already and it is painful to watch. I outed cos I have confscum in beeboy and i do not trust radianthorsething's intentions for signing up for this game. I want fast win and the best way to do that is to help the majority find scum which I can do, we all know that I can do this so wtf is your goddamn problem that you do not want to lynch scum. if I was an ordinary lyncher on town I wld not be making this play cos it wld be suboptimal.

jesus christ

[pirate mollie]

I just don't get it. Why is this a role? It makes no sense.

Please understand how fucking weird it is. I ALSO have lots of experience and I CAN'T wrap my mind around this role. It only makes sense with 3 scum, right? no way BRO instantly makes a 1p scum team.

9player game + 3 scum + 1 indy = almost not a mafia game? town is barely an uninformed majority in this case.

I understand you're frustrated and YOU KNOW I LOVE YOU. Please understand how fucking weird this situation is, and that we are not being "derpy" we are trying to understand.

did you see where I said that I thought there were 3 scum

cos you are acting like you didn't.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie answer me, If you died but your target died. Wouldn't you win as well?

I think a normal lyncher is usually out of the game with an indie win but I am supposed to survive until endgame do you think there is a scenario where you see this happening when my target is scum.

I GUESS THE CORRECT PLAY WLD HAVE BEEN TO JUST NOT SAY A THING COS BEEBOY PROBS WLD HAVE GOTTEN LYNCHED ON HIS OWN W/O MY HELP BUT I WANT A QUICK WIN WHICH MEANS OPTIMAL PLAY IS TO HELP TOWN SINCE MY TARGET IS SCUM.

last time I ever do anything like this again.

[pirate mollie]

ok mollie so your guilty is on Horsebells or catdog?

what

[pirate mollie]

ok

VOTE: mollie

so we can lynch beeboy after see your flip , k? claiming a guilty on the one who was pushing you could be fake and you did a wrong thing to just claim that. I have a hard time believing your role too.

so I did a wrong thing by...trying to be honest with town? and guide them to lynching scum instead of each other?

I don't have words.

[pirate mollie]

@ zzthing

I already flavour claimed.

why the fuck wld you lynch me if I am catching scum? and you do know there are variations yeah? pretty sure I can win with another faction since my wc is 2 part and w/o a nk there is no way I cld win and fulfill the second part of my wc. I can win WITH town as long as town doesn't derp themselves into a loss.

you KNOW me zzting and you know that it is more than likely I am telling the truth. if y'all lynch me after I stuck my neck for you I am going to be royally pissed. you also know that if i was just a lyncher I cld have kept my mouth shut and let town implode but I wanted town to have all the info possible and I am pretty sure I can win WITH town so I decided to be very protown and do the right thing.

besides there is a chance scum nk me anyways especially since I have already figured out who the second scum is. the best play here is to lynch beeboy, see if I am correct (and I will be) lynch who I want d2 cos I will find you scum and if y'all are still paranoid about me on d3 lynch me then but I am hoping that I will have proven my good intentions by then.

you know I am right zzthing. can I plz have 1 game where town doesn't get stupid, just 1. I am not even town in this game and I wld like to see that.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: beeboy

I can buy this.

I also don't like beeboys "Whoever sides with mollie is scum"

thanks. I am fairly confident that catdog and zzthing are town. that kain thing has yet to post and I am trying to work out 3 dice. every time I play with him I am always like "is he scum or just dumb" and it throws me off. he isn't the person who I think is defo beeboy's partner tho, just a mebbe if there is a third scum which was my worry.

[pirate mollie]

Why does town want to work with a fing survivor? Lynch mollie realize she isn't a survivor and was fake claiming so we can move on

do you know who worries about its scum thats who. scum eat that shit up like candy cos they think trying to capitalize on poor site meta somehow makes them look town LOLOLOL

[pirate mollie]

Have a tad bit of time to throw out my suggestion.

Let's say Mollie is telling the truth, we lynch her and see that from her role pm, then tomorrow we lynch beeboy.

Let's say Mollie is lying, we lynch her, realize she is lying, and move on from there.

We're not lynching beeboy just because "hur durr new lyncher roles are cool" because we don't even know if Mollie is the variation of lyncher she claims to be, and if we buy into this, she will win and we could potentially lose a townie.

that is poor play. go read my post like 4 or 5 ts until you understand it.

[pirate mollie]

ten come back 3 dice plz so we can have a conversation that is honestly probably long overdue cos you keep popping up in my games.

[pirate mollie]

I think 3dice is right. Why not lynch mollie and see if shes telling the truth? That is ideal play here, I think. Powerlynch Bboy if shes telling the truth.

This makes it so we win + get rid of anti town + potentially get a confimable guilty. Its win-win-win.

ow you go read 5 times until you understand it.

this is why indie site meta is shit right now. indies who win with town have every motivation TO FUCKING HELP TOWN. so I mean I wanna get this straight, my reward for helping to is to...get lynched for it?

DON'T TELL THE TRUTH PPLE COS PPLE WILL FUCK YOU OVER COS OF HOW DERPY AND DOUCHEY PPLE WILL BE

got it. lesson learned.

I have no idea what has gotten into you lately hippy but your play has been shit. it makes no sense for m to lie and you know.

[pirate mollie]

Any play where you lose is what you will call a "poor play"

P:edit - Sure, I will converse about this when I can get back to this game. I'm not saying my logic is all knowing, but it is where I'm at right now.

poor play is when you prioritize lynching anything ahead of scum if you are town. lynching me will only ensures that town loses a vote that I am guaranteeing will hit scum and put scum that much closer to winning. in every game I have played when town and scum lynched the indie first scum have won. every. single. fucking. time in a micro and mini. statistically and historically speaking lynches on indies are usually scum driven. it wld be different if this was a large but it isn't.

the correct play here is to lynch who i am telling you to lynch cos they are scum and when he flips scum we lynch the second scum tomorrow. lynching me will put the game in mylo tomorrow and if there are 3 scum then town is fucked. you will auto lose.

[pirate mollie]

mollie, I'm scared you're just a regular lyncher who is gonna exit the game if we lynch beeboy ANYWAY. I can't wrap my mind around this 3 scum thing. 3scum + indy in a 9player game is a fucking shitty setup and I have far too much respect for BRO to ever see that happen. srsly if I claiemd this role you'd be at my throat

I think if we lynch beeboy, you don't actually have a guilty and claimed survivor so we would listen. I think there is a chance we lose 2 players instead of one.

Only viable moves IMO are to ignore the situation or lynch you and then see if you're telling the truth. The latter makes so much more sense because like its IMPOSSIBLE to progress/scumhunt with this hogging all the spotlight.

it does not make sense hippy it only sense in retardese.

why wld I make this play if I was just a lyncher. I mean goddamn I have had this role before and I never claimed I didn't have to I just on my target until they were lynched and with this playerlist I cld have pulled it off and you fucking know it. lyncher/survivor apparently is the new fad these days I mean I wld be playing very different if I was regular lyncher on town WHICH IS WHEN YOU SHLD LYNCH THE LYNCHER but beeboy is scum and I am trying to help you pple and all you wanna do is fuck over for trying to.

ffs do you honestly wld have been that hard to get beeboy lynched? I was honest and upfront about it cos a lyncher on scum is rare and I was wondering if there was something fishy going on. ffs you are the main I outed in the first place cos a wagon was being driven up on you and there are 2 players that I did not know and I didn't want you sped lynched until I sorted you out.

I guess thats what i get for sticking my neck out gets me huh. you KNOW scum are the1s who want the indie lynch cos it takes the heat off of them and it puts town a day behind. I didn't have to out at all I did so at a time to steer town in the direction of actually lynching scum and not each other. I didn't HAVE to do that I wanted to tho cos I am a town player at heart I mean YOU KNOW THIS ABOUT ME and it hurts that are acting like you don't.

[pirate mollie]

mollie if we lynch you and you flip as someone who actually has a guilty

its not fucking true mylo.

Thats a slip

. We'd have a guaranteed hit.

You just slipped that you have nothing.

The numbers dont add up, either. You're a regular lyncher arent u

pedit: Idg why you're doing this but it doesnt make sense either. Like... how the fuck would there be 3 scum and an indy?

4 not town 5 town. If we mislynched today on town it'd be a mafia win...? It just doesn't make sense

you are reading I am saying. I said if you lynch ME instead of scum it will put you in mylo.

ffs zzthing did the numbers go check.

6 town
2 scum (best case scenario)

scum nk goes through it will be 3 town and 2 scum hence mylo. you won't be in mylo if you lynch beeboy.

I really shld not have bothered cos are not just dicks you are stupid dicks but I saw you and zzthing and for a minute I had hope.

I know how to play roles you dummy I wld not have outed if I did not have a good reason.

[pirate mollie]

you didnt even read my post did you?

I didn't finish it cos I did slip and you are accusing me of something that I did not do. and trying to reason with you is frustrating the hell out of me and its making me angry cos I feel like you don't give a fuck about some1 who has tried to help you and you want to lynch me for it.

yeah I am angry. and yeah I am hurt cos I really feel like you shld know me better than this. and I of the times that I saved your neck when I cld get a read on you. I am sticking my neck for you AGAIN and I am getting screwed over. so yeah I am hurt and angry and I will get over it. I am not sure what is going on with site meta but I just finished a 7 player micro when 4 scum on 2 different teams and 3 town. do you know what town did? run a town player up to L1 and forced a claim. then the second town cced him. it was fake town got lynched d1. third townie then scumclaimed. like they said "I am scum haha I am just trolling the game now cos we won". it was painful to watch.

[pirate mollie]

and you slipped again. You just went back to thinknig there is two scum.

I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS ALL DAY READ MY POSTS. I DID NOT FUCKING SLIP I HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT IF THERE WERE 3 SCUM THEN YOU GUYS ARE FUCKED AND WHEN I DID THE NUMBERS I PUT (BEST CASE SCENARIO) AND WAS TRYING TO WORK FROM THAT. I SAID I FOUND IT REALLT WEIRD TO HAVE SCUM AS MY TARGET IT IS 1 OF THE REASONS I OUTED.

IF YOU WANT TO BE NICER THEN STOP MISREPPING WHAT I SAY. COS I AM SORRY I CONSIDER THAT DICKISH BEHAVOUR OR SCUMMY BUT I HONESTLY THINK YOU ARE DERP TOWN HERE.

[pirate mollie]

I might just follow mollie just for the sake for the fact that I cant see a game design that isnt bastard that can be lylo at day 2. Its a kind of a yolo. But I'd sleep on that thought and think it through. So expect a vote from me tomorrow.

I will probably gambit this lynch and trust mollie

thank you zzthing. I thought I was going to lose my mind talking to hippy. I think I have it worked out who beeboy's partner so don't end the day before I tell you who I think it is. I really hope it is only 2 scum but wow I wld have hated to be scum in this set up.

[pirate mollie]

I am gambiting on the fact that mollie isnt a lyncher
its a 50-50% chance. only 2 roles that make sense with mollie is either a noraml lyncher or the role she claims with 3 scum (it makes a tiny bit of sense as well).

And frankly if my trust is betrayed (I forgive 'er anyway) and she is a noraml lyncher there is still a big enough chance to just get the game back on track. but if what she claims is true then we are... fucked if we dont go by the plan.

zzthing hon, I am exactly what I claimed I was, which is a lyncher/survivor.

I have only 1 completed indie game on here except for marathons. I was a lyncher 3 times on other sites that have faded into non-existence.

I don't want you to enter this agreement under false pretenses. I am what i say I am. right after saga i asked bro if I cld win with town cos I thought I was going crazy and he said yes. that game set indie meta back at the minimum of 5 years. what is gonna happen is that games mods are going to design roles that pple won't wanna play.

I wld have played a very different game if i was just a lyncher. I have a dual wc and i felt like I was making the best play at the time and still think it was the best play but i didn't take in town derp, I honestly thought it wld be low in this game despite having 2 players I knew nothing about.

beeboy is scum I mean this is mod-confirmed to me and bro is going to probs eat me alive despite in my only other onsite indie game I claimed super early too. and won! town collectively was smarter in those days I think and fery and I had changed indie site meta for a while at least.

I am grateful to you and horsebells cos you guys believed me. I have been telling the truth I had no reason to lie at the time that I outed. I was trying to help.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie, I find it interesting the way you’re dealing with different people. With those who side with you, like ZZZX for example, you’re being super sweet and trying to speak with them to keep them on your side. Those who aren’t on your side, however, get much different treatment. Instead of trying to talk and work with them, you’re yelling and insulting them instead. Being frustrated is one thing, but constantly insulting town is not how to get people to believe in you. We have valid concerns about your claim, and we’d like to work them out. However, you’re stunting that with your disinterest in having a conversation with us in favor of telling us we’re “stupid dicks.”

the fuck that is what i did

I DID tryt o talk to you. you didn't listen to a fucking word and then

LIED

about.

which I think is dickish behaviour cos you are not even reconsidering.

regardless of your alignment I have lost all respect for you as a player. I wld never kick another player when they were feeling down. I back off when I see signs of breakdown.

so lynch away

[pirate mollie]

I am sorry hippy I don't mean to be mean least of all to you but i have tried to help you and you have not listened to me at all and lied about what i said and I am sorry but I think that is shitty.

no game is worth a friendship and I am sorry. you are really wrong about me tho and i don't understand why you lied.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie that obviously wasn't hip, there was way too many capitals and punctuation for him to have written that. And tell me how yelling at everyone and telling us we're all stupid for not just taking you on your word is in any way productive. The AtE you've been spewing is ridiculous, as was your reaction to our vote. Instead of calmly trying to make us see what you think our errors are, you start attacking everybody, insult the entire playlist, and make it impossible to productively communicate with you. We're just one vote, and maybe if you helped other people see something we don't, they could help us see it too. But going around and trying to bully people into believing you is not the way to do it.

uhm

you are still lying. cos i did calmy present what i was telling you. in a very calm way.

it is was when you started to lie and misrep and accuse me of "slipping" when I never did is when i lost it because hippy shld know better.

I am not attacking the entire playerlist so you can stop it with the lying.

I am not sure what more evidence you need other than "I have inside info due to role mechanics that beeboy is scum".

I mean really what the fuck else can I say when i said it in like my second or third post in order to keep town from getting dumb and turning on each other.

obvsly the correct play was to keep my mouth shut and let beeboy get himself lynched as scum cos he has an unnatural talent to do that and not help town. I felt bad for you guys being run up so early and after playing shos game I was not in the mood to trust town so I decided to help them cos a town plus indie!mollie win wld have been great.

hippy punctuates all of the time so what? do you want me to pull up games to demonstrate that you either you don't know what you are talking about or you are deliberately lying.

as far as the bullying goes i wld not have feel so salty about it if I had not put myself out there. obvsly I shld have kept my mouth shut and let you guys get hammered.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie find me a second scum or I will lynch you.

I think it is you. altho catdog is giving you a run for your money so you shld totally try to work with that.

[pirate mollie]

For the record, I did post an anti-Mollie stance and she did, calmly, ask me to talk to her and go over her posts again.

I kind of set this game on the back burner, which isn't fair, but I'll get to it eventually.

thank you <3

[pirate mollie]

ok so if your claiming what are you start making sense to me.

you say town started with me and a lyncher like you with a scum name on your role. god thats not happening ...

lets let bro confirm you as IC!

since that is how that role works. you shld pm him. I think he is on.

[pirate mollie]

I PMed him too!

I asked him to confirm you.

[pirate mollie]

ok we should wait shouldn't we? I assure you all that I didn't lie.

mollie why a lyncher with a scum target make sense in this setup?

I have no fucking clue.

but I just finished a game with 3 town and 4 scum on 2 teams in a 7 player game so I think mods are doing adventurous things these days but we will wait for mod confirmation!

[pirate mollie]

honestly mollie I'm done. this is ridiculous. You scumread ANYONE who comes anywhere near to doubting you, and call them fucking idiots/derps/retards. You've been super disrespectful and honestly if you don't flip like jester or something...im done. like you just cursed out a NEWBIE and said you didn't respect them as a player. that is toxic and like...UTL is fucking great and doesn't deserve that.

do me a favour and iso you and me, and tell me we're the ones who are being delusional here. your only defense is to be insanely rude and have insane OMGUS reads. you are literally questioning an IC claim to push your agenda?

You don't read our posts and then accuse us of lying; you have a SUPER SHIFTY role that makes no fucking sense, are flipflopping like no tomorrow, cliaming things that are straight up wrong and are showing you have the most insane ego of any player i've played with. You seem to have flipped personalities w/ drunken pirates hydra or soemthing cuz this is just INSANE.

I love mollie but whatever the fuck you're doing this game isn't cool and honestly if this is game mollie from now on, I dont wanna play with her...

you haven't really addressed the lying or misrep coming from your hydra.

if you wanna play the game address that instead of heaping more lies and misrep.

[pirate mollie]

lol, I don't even care if i get lynched anymore cos I think I did the right the thing by trying to keep town off of town.

I have no idea wtf you guys were doing.

protip hint: if fa is NOT confirmed by bro in the game thread, it means she isn't an IC and is likely scum with beeboy.

zzthing and horsebells will figure it out I think.

[pirate mollie]

we haven't lied once.

you didn't read our posts and confessed to it.

fuck off.

you did lie. you kept saying that I made a slip that I never made. I pointed this out. you got mean. I got mean back.

also i find it funny that utl said (I am not sure who is posting right now) that hippy doesn't punctuate when he did in this very game!

lol

[pirate mollie]

mollie

I'm telling the truth

you say its multiball?

I don't think it is. I was drawing the correlations between the game I just played and this 1.

giving me as a lyncher a scum target points to it not being multi-ball.

[pirate mollie]

hippy if this is you breaking down I broke down long time ago!

you WERE rude to me by lying about what i said. I never slipped and i pointed this out and you conveniently did not address it. <---- it made me insane cos I wld say something and you wld misep/lie about what i said.

the reason I outed was to keep town off of town. your early easy breezy cover girl posts made me want to give you space.

if you don't believe me then okay.

I think the best play right now is to wait to see if bro confirms fa. cos if he doesn't then she is his scumpartner.

I am sorry if you feel like I was shitty to you this game. I felt like that is how you were to me.

[pirate mollie]

protip hint: if fa is NOT confirmed by bro in the game thread, it means she isn't an IC and is likely scum with beeboy.

and I'm that stupid to claim such an stupid thing

I don't think you are stupid, I think you thought you cld get away with it and if you are IC and bro confirms it then idfk what is up except beeboy is scum.

[pirate mollie]

hippy if this is you breaking down I broke down long time ago!

you WERE rude to me by lying about what i said. I never slipped and i pointed this out and you conveniently did not address it. <---- it made me insane cos I wld say something and you wld misep/lie about what i said.

the reason I outed was to keep town off of town. your early easy breezy cover girl posts made me want to give you space.

if you don't believe me then okay.

I think the best play right now is to wait to see if bro confirms fa. cos if he doesn't then she is his scumpartner.

I am sorry if you feel like I was shitty to you this game. I felt like that is how you were to me.

[pirate mollie]

I DIDNT FUCKING LIE ABOUT ANYTHING.

YOU'RE SERIOUSLY FUCKING MAKING THAT UP. DON'T TALK TO ME ANYMORE. LOOK BACK AT YOUR OWN FUCKING ISO AND YOULL SEE.

I'm fucking done. Don't talk to me.

AND HEY, GUESS WHAT? DIFFERING OPINIONS ON A FUCKING GAME ISN'T RUDE.

CALLING SOMEONE RETARDED/DERP/INCOMPETENT IS.

YOU MADE THINGS PERSONAL. I WAS HAVING FUN AND PLAYING A GAME.

you had no good reason to "break down" other than your own ego.

I didn't call you retarded.

I said that what you said only made sense in retardese. cos I believe if you stopped and thought about it, it wld not make sense to you.

and you absolutely have lied about what i said. i said that i outed cos I was wondering if there was a scenario where there were 3 scum and then i offered up what I thought was a best case scenario of there being 2 if that might be the case.

you kept calling it a slip when it wasn't. that is the lie.

I have been very honest about things and I just wonder why you hate that.

[pirate mollie]

lol

this situation is ridiculous!

funny cos I find it sad.

[pirate mollie]

thank you lovely mod!

ok so lets start over again.

mollie? who is the second scum?

lol

GEE I WONDER WHO IT CLD BE?????

MEBBE IT IS THE PERSON WHO IGNORED THE GAME, RVS VOTE HORSEBELLS AND THEN VOTED HIS SCUMMATE COS OF P2 REASONS.

mebbe I had not figured out who the scum was cos they had not posted.

but who cares yeah?

[pirate mollie]

so you see why I was trying to get her talk about someone else beside beeboy and ask town to do any shit beside mollie stuff?

This day is totally wasted

it only wasted if you waste it, and that will be you guys choice and not mine. not quite sure how me telling who at least 1 scum is, a waste. but sure, create your own story.

@ fa

if you ever have a negative utility role you absolutely shld out it in your first or second post. I treated my role like a town negative utility role cos i liked the playerlist and chances were at least 2 of you were town so i took the risk. my gut feelings were immediately that it was zzthing and catdog. when zzthing posted his big long game solving post I freaking KNEW he was town. catdog it was just an early gut feel that I cannot explain.

I think horsebells is town cos he voted beeboy at a time when it wld have served him better to have voted me if beeboy was his buddy. and i just don't get a scummy feel from him. I think his intentions are pure.

I think 3dice is town. yaye! I kind of feel similar about him as do about 3dice. I am just sort of excited that I have a pretty firm townread on him. I hope I am right.

that leaves me, beeboy and kain who I actually forgot about until you mentioned him!

I will flip exactly what i say I will flip. lyncher/survivor - michelle visage.

so that gives you 2 scum, beeboy who I know is scum and kain who is lol obvsly his partner. at least i think.

that is my understanding of the gamestate but it will flesh out with more time I think.

@ zzthing

thank you for holding my hand like we did in team mafia. but if it comes down to it and it is dl you know what you have to do which is to lynch me. I tried to help. if I knew it was going to be like this I wld have played my role very differently.

[pirate mollie]

@ zzthing

thank you for holding my hand like we did in team mafia. but if it comes down to it and it is dl you know what you have to do which is to lynch me. I tried to help. if I knew it was going to be like this I wld have played my role very differently.

Also I didnt read last page. was really busy but... Why did we have to lynch mollie now :/

<3

win the game for town so I can feel like I won by proxy. at least then i won't feel like my efforts were for nothing.

[pirate mollie]

@ zzthing

thank you for holding my hand like we did in team mafia. but if it comes down to it and it is dl you know what you have to do which is to lynch me. I tried to help. if I knew it was going to be like this I wld have played my role very differently.

Also I didnt read last page. was really busy but... Why did we have to lynch mollie now :/

<3

win the game for town so I can feel like I won by proxy. at least then i won't feel like my efforts were for nothing.

[pirate mollie]

Oh no. Kain is in this game.

ugh.

3dicerolling, I can't remember but did you ever play mafia on 6prizes?

Catching up. Someone tl;dr as well.

beeboy and kain are scum. I was a naive idiot to think that i cld trust to work with me and let me win WITH them.

hippy thinks I am a drooling retarded moron who doesn't know how to play a straight up lyncher role. he also thinks I am the shittiest human in the world and wld fuck friends by lying to them when I wldn't need to. then he kept misrepping what I was saying I got mad and said the behaviour was dickish and then he and flew off the handle and then I have no idea what they started saying cos I stopped reading their posts.

pretty sure ton is gonna lose this game unless they smarten up. I am past the point of caring and I feel very bitter. the last time was an indie I claimed early on d1, town worked with me, I figured out the scum on like p10, met my wc n1 and won with town. not once did I have to deal with what I am dealing with in this game.

[pirate mollie]

Oh no. Kain is in this game.

ugh.

3dicerolling, I can't remember but did you ever play mafia on 6prizes?

Catching up. Someone tl;dr as well.

beeboy and kain are scum. I was a naive idiot to think that i cld trust to work with me and let me win WITH them.

hippy thinks I am a drooling retarded moron who doesn't know how to play a straight up lyncher role. he also thinks I am the shittiest human in the world and wld fuck friends by lying to them when I wldn't need to. then he kept misrepping what I was saying I got mad and said the behaviour was dickish and then he and flew off the handle and then I have no idea what they started saying cos I stopped reading their posts.

pretty sure ton is gonna lose this game unless they smarten up. I am past the point of caring and I feel very bitter. the last time was an indie I claimed early on d1, town worked with me, I figured out the scum on like p10, met my wc n1 and won with town. not once did I have to deal with what I am dealing with in this game.

[pirate mollie]

First role of mafia:

If you claimed something thats not adding up die. its not personal mollie. Understand please

have you played with a lyncher role before? no? so how do you if it makes sense or not? lyncher/survivor is a lyncher variant that is a fad these days I know this for a fact.

here was my last indie game and ffs I even even had a killing role. but town worked with me cos there players in that who trusted me as a player and town won with my help in 2 days. that is what I was for here and basically getting told "fuck you mollie".

here is the game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=27515

[pirate mollie]

First role of mafia:

If you claimed something thats not adding up die. its not personal mollie. Understand please

have you played with a lyncher role before? no? so how do you if it makes sense or not? lyncher/survivor is a lyncher variant that is a fad these days I know this for a fact.

here was my last indie game and ffs I even even had a killing role. but town worked with me cos there players in that who trusted me as a player and town won with my help in 2 days. that is what I was for here and basically getting told "fuck you mollie".

here is the game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=27515

[pirate mollie]

and you know how much newer I'm than you right ? so know lets put aside how amazing are we and play for or wincon. if your wincon tell you you shouldn't get lynched , then do something that can prevent that. Find me the other scum.

we both did that already cos I am pretty sure it is kain. I have the advantage cos I know for a fact beeboy is scum so I know what to look for. you zeroed in on him on your own for your own reasons but I think you are not feeling as confident about it cos you don't have inside knowledge.

kain said that beeboy was scummy on p2 and then voted him. doesn't look like selfconscious newbscum to you? then he votes me for being "annoying". probs cos I am pushing his partner if I was scum and my partner had a lyncher on their butt Iwld be pretty annoyed too. look beeboy's posting. its scum posting and they are pure "why me fry me" posts.

this is the only site I get to play a town compatible indie on like I never get to on my other sites cos the mods won't let me. it is my favourite alignment.

[pirate mollie]

mollie plz get off this highhorse.

you're being the most insufferable person I've ever played mafia with right now.

you're supposed to be my mafia best friend and like...this is just nonsense. Please treat people with respect. You seem to have forgotten how to do that.

thank you fa. <3 put my thoughts into words

we get it, you're the best or w.e ego stroke you want to do. that doesnt give you the right to treat everyone like a piece of shit

I have treated pple with more respect than I have been given in this game. yohave not even given me a chance at all to see if what I said might be true. you never even considered.

and I honestly feel insulted that you think that I wld play this badly as a straight up lyncher! it hurts my feelings. it also hurts my feelings that you think i wld fuck over my friends. when I win as scum I want pple to feel good about it and not hate me for it. YOU of all pple shld know that. and you saw how I felt in graveyard when town lynched serene's target. I still name and shame pple from that game. so why wld I put my friends in a position in the same way? I wldn't.

it just seems like you have forgotten everything you know about me. ffs I had a weak guilty on you in the clue game but I trusted what I knew about you as a player over the weak guilty and at least managed to keep you from getting lynched at least on d1.

i am sorry that hurt your feelings, I was frustrated and angry cos I feel like you shld know me. mebbe I just expected too much from you and that is defo my fault and not yours so plz don't take it as an insult.

there is literally nothing else I can do except go iso beeboy and kain and tell me if what I said I think is going on is correct.

[pirate mollie]

I think mollie has to go. I can't concentrate with her around. Shes always going to be making noise that honestly can't be ignored.

Even if she has a guilty I don't want to give her a win for how she has treated people. I can't scumhunt with her here, I can't do anything. All the discussion is about her place in the game and there is no way to figure out whether things people are saying are alignment indicative

I am telling you who i think scum is. that is not noise.

ffs I even told zzthing that if it came down to dl he wld have to lynch so that a lynch wld go through. I am okay with him voting me, 3 dice voting cos are at least giving me a chance.

you insulted me and have yet to own it or apologize for it. and saying you think that I don't deserve to win "cos mollie said mean things" and not own the mean things you have said to me is just flat out spite.

it is something that I never thought to see from hippy and it makes feel sad.

[pirate mollie]

I think mollie has to go. I can't concentrate with her around. Shes always going to be making noise that honestly can't be ignored.

Even if she has a guilty I don't want to give her a win for how she has treated people. I can't scumhunt with her here, I can't do anything. All the discussion is about her place in the game and there is no way to figure out whether things people are saying are alignment indicative

I am telling you who i think scum is. that is not noise.

ffs I even told zzthing that if it came down to dl he wld have to lynch so that a lynch wld go through. I am okay with him voting me, 3 dice voting cos are at least giving me a chance.

you insulted me and have yet to own it or apologize for it. and saying you think that I don't deserve to win "cos mollie said mean things" and not own the mean things you have said to me is just flat out spite.

it is something that I never thought to see from hippy and it makes feel sad.

[pirate mollie]

I srsly hope mollie is telling the truth about beeboy scum becuase I have a mild scum read on him without considering any part of mollies claim.

I was looking at mafiawiki to confirm that lyncher is normally given a target randomly, and I found this

"On Day 2, claim Cop with a guilty result on your target. By the time they figure out you're lying, you will have already won."

Sound familiar?

I know who a lyncher operates. I won a game this way.

thats why guilty on beeboy means absolutely nothing. but why should she claim to be a lyncher and not doing that later as a guilty result?

THANK YOU

[pirate mollie]

Mollie sees CatDog is scum as well she just won't act on it because she is rolling with her fake guilty and wants scum to side with her.

I have been saying that I thought they were town since like forever.

you are lying.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie sees CatDog is scum as well she just won't act on it because she is rolling with her fake guilty and wants scum to side with her.

I have been saying that I thought they were town since like forever.

you are lying.

[pirate mollie]

mollie? I want your answer as well

I like beeboy. for me he is kind of easy to read and he has good instincts even tho he can get stubborn when town.

[pirate mollie]

I have no idea what has gotten into you lately hippy but your play has been shit. it makes no sense for m to lie and you know.

I take this as a call out to scum!catdog.

no. if I thought he was scum I wldn't feel that way. I just felt like hippy shld know me better and wld give me a chance. I think i had an unrealistic expectation of him and that is my fault, not his.

[pirate mollie]

Okay, UTL calmed me down a bit.

I am sorry mollie. I didn't mean to discredit you or anything. Can we move on from this? I will try to understand your POV more clearly.

thank you for apologizing hippy that means a lot. you and utl said some nasty shit to me but we can address this in postgame.

all I can say is that if you think that I as a player wld go for such cheap play then you don't know me well at all. ffs, you spent 3 months on a scumteam with me, you know how I feel about lying to my friends. I only lied 3 times in ff7; I said you were town, I lied by omission by not revealing I was the scum doc along with jk and I lied about who i jked in mylo. I try to play in a way where I don't HAVE to lie cos I am pretty bad at it.

I linked a game to my onsite indie meta.

it wld make no sense for me as a lyncher to claim right off the bat like I did unless I was telling the truth. I did it cos I wanted to help town cos I can win WITH town. I am nearly ALWAYS a freaking early nk you know that but I was hoping to lynch scum!beeboy mebbe gain some protection and then lynch hiscummate with a distant possibility of there being a third scum. it was the only chance I had cos if I wld have rammed lynch through w/o full disclosure i wld have been nked.

there is a distinct possibility that bro randomized the lynch target which is technically how it is supposed to be done but compensations have had to be made in or to accommodate site meta.

you are just going to have to close your eyes and center yourself and think of me and feel me inside your head and ask yourself if you can trust that I am telling the truth.

[pirate mollie]

As much as I want to believe mollie is lyncher/survivor because she feels honest and genuine, I just cannot in any way fathom how bro would put IC and Lyncher with a guilty in this game. (sorry mollie )

NOW do you understand my confusion at the start of the game and outed cos scum has got to have some sort of power to counteract this.

I double checked sign-ups and the game is not advertised bastard so I dunno. I wanted help in figuring it out not spend the entire freaking day round having to defend myself against what I feel like are irrational assumptions.

Beeboy has been frustratingly stubborn and annoying, which is how he has been in basically every town game I've played with him.

beeboy knows how to send up a strong town flare when he wants to so this is very untrue. I think him being what you call "stubborn and annoying" is not alignment indicative but he has dropped enough scumtells in this game that he makes truckstop toilets look clean.

[pirate mollie]

what recent game did we play where I spotted scum you in under 5 seconds

[pirate mollie]

here it is!

[pirate mollie]

there is a distinct possibility that bro randomized the lynch target which is technically how it is supposed to be done but compensations have had to be made in or to accommodate site meta.

explain this line

okay, you know I have been playing mafia for 8 years, yeah? just on other sites. but I know about the evolution

lynch target used to be randomized but there were a lot of complaints that it hurt scum too much so it became super common for lynch targets to be town, in fact it became popular thought that lynch targets were automatically town. then the usurper role was created for scum. (that is not what is going on here I am just giving you the run down of how this developed.)

I think there might be noises being made about how the lynch targets are always on town and it was in fact town confirming the lynch target. so I was thinking he might have randomized it and scum got unlucky.

or there might be 3 scum which was my first thought and said so.

mebbe there was a traitor who becomes full scum if they are last remaining scum. that 1 seems unlikely I think.

anyways those the things I was thinking about. as unlikely as my role is I am telling the truth. if this turns out to be an unadvertised bastard game I am going to outright murder bro next time he visits.

[pirate mollie]

I STILL THINK BEEBOY IS SCUM... IF MOLLIE IS NOT TELLING TEH TRUTH I DONT THINK SHE WILL BE SO ANGRY AT BEEBOY...!!!!

VOTE: BEEBOY

Kain she is lying and can't back up her own statements o.o
Appealing To Emotion is something scum/indies do all the time. Especially considering she only needs to keep it up for 1 lynch to win.

town displays emotion all the time so who the fuck is lying here. I am appealing to their logic not aTe.

[pirate mollie]

oh hey lookee here I addressed it in md!

I think the most important skill a town player can have is discerning the difference between scumflail and townflail.

[pirate mollie]

town displays emotion all the time so who the fuck is lying here. I am appealing to their logic not aTe.

Show me the scum games you where referring to. Also point out the scum tells I did.
This shouldn't be hard.

I already linked 1 of them. how about you start there?

and I already said what scumtells you have been dropping I am not going try to stall the game when it has already been pointed what they were.

[pirate mollie]

You also told us you would help scum hunt but all you are doing is arguing with CatDog and scum painting people so honestly you lied there as well.

I have sumhunt. I know you are scum so I don't have to scumhunt you. I thought it was kain but I think the fact that he came fm salem is throwing up a lot of false positives. I am unsure on rh right now cos he s disappeared.

so stop lying

[pirate mollie]

Mollie you ha\/en't ga\/in town a lot of input and I am not lying.

Can you link that game again as well?

yes I have way more than YOU

it is on the last cple of pages you can get off your ass and look it up yourself

[pirate mollie]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=65087

you got pissy with me in that game too!

I just want to clarify something to make sure I am not making any false assumption here

@ mod - does this game have bastard elements?

[pirate mollie]

Now what where my scum tells this game?

iso me

[pirate mollie]

Yes 3rd parties are e\/il

fucking liar

you are totally taking advantage of their newb ignorance

I linked a game to the only other indie game I have on this site, 1 in which I had killing role and cld have really town over but instead I talked to town and helped them poe out the game to a win when I didn't have to. it was a flawless victory.

oh! oh! oh! lying about the game is a scumtell!

I am just going to call them out when you do them.

[pirate mollie]

I don't even know what this game is anymore

right now bbeboy is spamming the thread in order to bury my posts especially the 1 where I asked the mod if there bastard elements in it cos my flip is gonna make him look real bad.

[pirate mollie]

thanks bro!

so at least I know the info in my role pm is correct.

Beeboy, hip and I tried to give her the benefit of the doubt because we don't want to believe she's lying. The fact of the matter is, her claimed role doesn't make sense in this setup. We can't figure out a single reason why Bro would have added that in, especially with an IC.

you don't know what the set-up is, and micros games can get pretty swingy and this is a game with a theme about a drag queen show. everything points to you not knowing exactly what is going on, which for some reason that I can fathom your hydra is unwilling to admit.

I outed cos I was wondering wtf is going on. I got an early townread on you and decided to help you out. I will never make that mistake again. I wanted to talk about what might be happening in this wrt set-up cos it seemed strange to me that my target was scum not spend the entire game defending myself from what to me is very narrowed thinking and false assumptions. I mean have you looked at some of the set-ups lately? evey1 thinks that guy is a wonderful mod that is how he got voted in as a list mod and in the first game I ever played with beeboy he and danny were scum neighbours and when danny flipped scum neighbour every1 was like "oh beeboy is conftown" and I was like no he isn't look at his play and was ignored and I replaced out cos I cld deal another second of mara's deathtunneling.

set aside what you think you know of set up spec and focus on play, the global gamestate of the game and the timing of interactions. that is the true heart of good mafia play.

anyways I don't even give a shit anymore I just wanted to repay zzthing's kindness to me at least in the zombie pt I can post all of the gifs and clips that I have been saving w/o being bothered.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie I am neither a neighbor or a scum. I think these 2 games are unrelated

they are related and you know it, you did this dismissive crap last time. you are not even pretending to scumhunt you are stalling.

[pirate mollie]

rh why did you have to make me care about this game again

I have explained the site meta progression of the lyncher role.

I have explained that for me to out my role when i did does not make sense if I was not telling the truth.

I have explained why beeboy is scummy by pointing out when he does scummy things. no1 cares.

oh re: *lost* - I left not in the sentence you quoted. I have done it a cple of other times too so if something looks wonky that is probably why.

I thought that there might be 3 scum in order to counterbalance a lyncher on scum but bro really might have just randomized the target.

[pirate mollie]

Randomized the target and told you they were scum makes no sense

You're waflfing

No one cares about the meta progression. Sorry. I've played basically as long as you have so that isn't gonna pass as anything meaningful.

point out where I am waffling since i am being pretty transparent and consistent here.

you are looking at the game on a very superficial level which is a trait I find coming from bad town.

just because something is happening that you don't understand does not mean that it doesn't exist.

and don't apologize if you don't mean it. "I'm sorry" means you won't do it again not that you have permission to do so.

[pirate mollie]

lynchers leave the game in 90% situations

even she stays in the game as survivor in lylo we're lost

you obvsly don't know what your talking about

@ zzthing

either you trust me or you don't. my wc is very clear I have to meet both requirements in order to win with either faction. I was playing for town since I am a lyncher on scum.

if y'all are NOT going to lynch scum!beeboy then I am going to openly campaign for my lynch cos I want to get as far away from the stupidity in this game as possible. I want out. cos I know what is gonna happen and I wld rather be in the dead pt then spend another second with these pple.

the only person who has even approached the situ with type of critical thought or skill has been rh and to some degree you. rh is the only 1 who is looking at my intent and motivations making the play that I did. he gets it.

[pirate mollie]

either you trust me or you don't. my wc is very clear I have to meet both requirements in order to win with either faction. I was playing for town since I am a lyncher on scum.

its not about if I can trust you. but I cant convince others. so i have to play this from an objective point of view.

ty for not letting me down, ever.

but plz lynch me today if you are not going to lynch scum!beeboy. plz?

[pirate mollie]

mollie please dont call me stupid.

attack my positions not my personality. Other than that, I'm fine with you. I think lynching your target is suboptimal. You should at the very least understand that position. You leaving the game is too risky

I never said you were stupid I said I think your play has been and that is the difference. interchange stupid for suboptimal, I will use that word from now on. mebbe I will finally be accepted into the beepboop clan I have been applying for a while and they always reject me cos I am too emotional.

I am flat-out saying I want to leave the game via lynch if you pple are not gonna lynch beeboy. I will campaign for this.

[pirate mollie]

safest play would be lynchnig mollie (and we lose our ic..) and ending up in a 5v2 (aka two chances to catch scum. before gg.

yaye!

[pirate mollie]

like I'm sorry. You're my friend and you belittling me hurts more than usual

I don't think I said anything nasty, but if I did I'm sorry. Lets move past this, please?

you did. and I am past it, sort of.

[pirate mollie]

can we plz lynch beeboy

now

ffs.

and I told you guys to lynch ME if you were not going to lynch beeboy.

and I am not gonna rage if you guys lynch me today. just know I had the best of intentions when I outed.

VOTE: beeboy

[pirate mollie]

Okay Kain is town, but he is so newb, it's kind of frustrating TBH.

are you fucking kidding me

I am starting to wonder if catdog is a lyncher on me. it is the only way their awful play makes sense.

[pirate mollie]

Bro, that's not even why he's newb.

That's not even what watcher does.....

if you let this shit go by i will never forgive you

you only confuse watcher and tracker if you are making it up and I have seen scum make this mistake at least twice in a game.

[pirate mollie]

lol not a lyncher.

I think we should stay away from your mess though

so u think KAINTEPES is scum mollie?

I have thought that kain was scum with beeboy since yesterday. you know who else thought it? rh.

do you know what a town misdirector does? cos I sureas hell don't. I looked i up even went trawling through ms following every single post that had the word "misdirect". it led me to thorella's wiki which put a smile on my face.

so if you know what that role is then enlighten me.

the reason that I am starting to wonder if you are a lyncher on me or some kind of saviour on beeboy is cos your deathtunnel does not even make sense anymore. at some point you have to some srs revaluation and you are not doing that.

if you are going to keep making excuses for beeboy's scummy behaviour then fuck yeah you are not town cos no way you are this bad of a player. I wld have self-voted long ago but I am fairly certain I wld have had to eat a suspension. I don't want to replace out cos it wld be unfair to whomever replaced me.

I asked to be lynched YESTERDAY and instead the most obvs town player who gave a damn was lynched.

you don't arbitrarily mix up the words "tracker" with "watcher" it is a fakeclaim and that shld be pretty freaking obvs.

the more you ignore this obvs bs the less I think you are town. cos this shit is mafia 101 like it is the

basics.

[pirate mollie]

that way you win and town can win if you're being tricky

its obv that it is kain and beeboy and that you don't see this makes me think you are a lyncher on me. it wld explain why you have refused to entertain the idea that I am telling the truth. and you know what? take the win I don't give a shit cos it means more to you than it does to me.

its beeboy and kain.

[pirate mollie]

SHOULD I CLAIM MY NAME AND FULL ROLE AS WELL IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME?????????????????????

as long as you don't post your full role pm then sure

but I am not quite sure how you can possibly mix up "tracker" with "watcher".

[pirate mollie]

Hey Mollie, does bro usually provide fake claims for flavor?

this is the first game I have played modded by bro so I do not know.

I do know the flavour tho. michelle visage (my flavour claim) was rupaul's cohost in rupaul's talk show. but it might not mean much.

if you are thinking that kain was fed a fakeclaim and messed it up, I think it is more likely he came up with it on his own. fakeclaims are not usually given in micros. I don't think beeboy was around to help him and he is aiming for desperate measures in order to maximize a wifom that doesn't exist. but like everything else in my life I don't feel super confident about this.

I don't think scum are you or fire or zzthing. it wld make sense if catdog was a lyncher on me but yiyi. putting off the whole beeboy/mollie thing does not ring true but then I am working from a confscum!beeboy axis.

[pirate mollie]

i have only finished 1 game, there is no jack of all trades there......

i dont believe MOLLIE

please dont blacklist me, I AM NOT A TROLL, I JUST WANT TO LEARN....

if you don't believe me then why did you not lynch me yesterday

cos that shld have been when it happened.

[pirate mollie]

all i can do is

1 shot tracker - track someone to see who they VISITED....
1 shot commuter - leave TOWN for one night,,
1 shot doctor - protect 1 person for one night

They are ALL quite weak so last night i was very annoyed trying to think of which one to USE.... i know i should have protected FROZEN ANGEL but i wasnt thinking of that, I wanted to see if BEEBOY would visit anyone so I did.....

where exactly did you get the idea that a 1 shot tracker, commuter, doctor was a weak role? cos it is way more powerful than mine with a scum!beeboy guilty claim. like you can affect the game as a whole and I can only affect 1 aspect of it.

[pirate mollie]

why not beeboy first??? HE is clearly scummier???

Because, if we lynch beeboy and he turns out to be town, mollie will leave the game and we will lose. If we lynch you, we can still lynch beeboy tomorrow, but not vice versa.

I am stuck here forever unless you lynch me or I am nked which is unlikely due to circumstances.

still offering myself up to be lynched btw. beeboy is still scum.

I think I give up tho.

[pirate mollie]

INVESTIGATIVE roles are most important, and most likely to HURT scum,, the rest are not that important.....

protecting a conftown shld take priority over anything else you wanna do.

shannell is not even a blip on the drag queen's race radar except for the pple who know her.

did I do a willam there? I feel like I did a willam.

[pirate mollie]

I wld like a claim from catdog.

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we're vt

okay so why do you find my claim so unbelievable to he point of deathtunneling when there have been unconventional roles on ms before and you are ignoring my play and ignoring my motives but you are pushing based on set up spec?

[pirate mollie]

also don't hand me that crap about there being an IC in the game cos you did not believe me when you didn't believe me prior to there being an IC.

3dice I am dead srs either vote beeboy or plz for the love of all that is holy vote me. I want out.

[pirate mollie]

Beeboy is posting everywhere but here. Can we lynch him and finish claims tomorrow?

I am already voting him. are you?

@ bro can we plz have a vc plz?

[pirate mollie]

whats your flavour?

so what you are saying is, the only vote that counts on even days is a hammer?

yaye we can wait for bro to confirm this! i am inclined to believe you.

[pirate mollie]

If you and firestarter aren't the scum we will lose if you don't un\/ote.

hey guyz this is what a scummate says to their partner when they think they are being derpy.

[pirate mollie]

CatDog and ZZZX are the scum

oh plz

zzthing defo is not and catdog is not grpscum. they clearly feel like they are alone.

[pirate mollie]

i am more suspicious of catdog now so i dont know what to do

why are you suddenly in favour of catdog over beeboy who you had as defo scum 5 minutes ago?

[pirate mollie]

I can't seem to connect the dots between an experienced player playing consistently terrible and them being town.

what makes you think they are playing consistently terrible?

cos for you to say this denotes that my guilty on you is legit and you know that I am telling the truth.

[pirate mollie]

thanks for the personal insult fire!

so you think that beeboy's hammer was town? when he did not wait for a claim from rh?

enlighten me.

[pirate mollie]

Actually, I've changed my mind.

UNVOTE: KainTepes

No other claimed town PRs. Need some time to think about this because Kain's role does make sense given the other roles in this game.

will you plz vote me?

because unless we are lynching scum!beeboy I don't want to be in this game anymore but it wld be unfair to leave this to a replacement.

[pirate mollie]

We're not lynching Mollie today and we aren't lynching beeboy today.

Tomorrow, if whoever we lynch today flips town, we will lynch beeboy. If they flip scum, we will reevaluate.

Lynch pool for today fire starter, catdog, and ZZZX, although lately I'm feeling fire starter could be town.

yes we are. if you let beeboy and I go to lylo with any of kain or fire it is an auto-loss for town. I am so tempted to post my role pm right now its not even funny.

plz just fucking lynch me cos I will post it if I am forced to endure this shitty game with its shitty players any longer.

the only way that will forgive catdog is if they are a lyncher on me.

@ bro - srsly kain and fire as replacements? thats like giving the playerlist a big fuck you.

[pirate mollie]

Molla, that's a personal attack and I will ask you to stop.

Do it again and I will make a complaint.

its not a personal attack cos I am attacking your play. other your skill level and unwillingness to learn I like you!

[pirate mollie]

When you make aessage to the mod like this, I consider it an attack. Otherwise it would have been fine. What do you want bro to say?

My skill level as town isn't that great. I win around 50% of town games. Willingness to learn is there but you've caused mess this game so don't blame me for that. You're whining and moaning about players being bad and just wanting to die and how no one can meta read you anymore. Oh really? Everyone is reading you wrong? I'm so sorry, it sounds like you need to work on that.

I'm not a newbie, I'm an alt and have played on this site for nearly 6 years now. Join dates can be deceiving.

I didn't cause a mess I told you pple who scum was and you refuse to believe.

this shit isn't my fault it is all on town's so don't even.

[pirate mollie]

mollie can you please come and talk some sense into these ppl

im sorry for how i acted this is just outrageous lol

hippy is right, 3dice.

I am leaning heavily on beeboy and kain being the scumteam. JOAT seems to be the go to scumclaim I think altho it stands to reason he cld be a scum!JOAT.

who claimed redirector? did I miss something?

[pirate mollie]

okay lets piece this together.

who did kain and fire replace? they did replace pple yeah?

the claims that I remember:

moi - lyncher on scum!beeboy
beeboy - scum!
catdog - vt
zzthing - vt
3dice - vt
kain - joat

eta: well I know that I thought some1 else claimed redirector

[pirate mollie]

is fire vt?

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keep in mind it is a misdirector, so it only works on themselves I think

which means its essentially a bulletproof/vig hybrid. It is a seriously super strong role

can you show me where this is explained? cos i did a ms search and a google search and I did not find a misdirector.

its why i am confused about the role but yanno after playing several of the critic's games I wld not be surprised at anything and I think the commune rubbed off on bro. like he is 50% more gay than he was before. he is now a 120%.

[pirate mollie]

I don't understand why you are so unhappy. If we mis-lynch today, then there is 2 town, 2 scum, and you. Beeboy has to be lynched, either by you with the town, or you with the scum.

After that, if you really stay in the game, then it's 1 town, 1 scum, and you, hopefully you will be gracious enough to side with the town player because we helped you achieve your win condition.

No other option really supercedes this option imo

I don't want to be in lylo with beeboy since no1 believes a word of what I am saying. like no1. it makes no sense to leave me alive if you guys think I am lying.

its why I wld rather be lynched. sure it can be argued that I am playing against my wc but I can make a better argument that I did everything in my power to get scum lynched. my misstep was that I was treating this game as a town friendly indie from 3 years ago and things have changed.

leaving me around only ensures a scum win cos beeboy will get to pick who he wants in lylo with me and he will make sure that it is some1 who will vote me. that is the problem I have with your scenario.

[pirate mollie]

bro what is a misdirector?

Mollie is it bad if I say i'm unsure? I've seen misdirector before on my homesite I'm pretty sure.

this post is from utl yeah?

[pirate mollie]

where is your homesite if you don't mind me asking?

i am gonna fish for the first ut game I ever played cos lulz the roles.

eta: 3dice I get what you are saying. fire's indignation feels town and I wld really hate that catdog did dirty scum sledging to this degree in this game. their pushback makes sense to me coming from town.

I don't believe kain's claim, a joat seems to be a frequent scumclaim which explains why when I have been town!joat I am always suspected.

zzthing does this (disappears at a crucial time as town) and the fact that beeboy thinks he is scum makes me think more strongly he is town.

[pirate mollie]

And mollie, just to establish for the record, none of my stances against you are personal, but I'm working to get the town to a W here, and I hope you understand why I have been less inclined to believe you this game.

I have been reading what you are saying though, and taking these things into account.

I don't take them personally 3dice so no worries.

I am asking to be lynched cos I think the dead pt might be more fun? mebbe it won't be and I will just cry when I get there.

I had the best of intentions here and if I was only a lyncher I wld have played this role a lot differently. but I was a lyncher on scum and a survivor and considering how many games I die early I thought by being truthful was my best shot.

[pirate mollie]

Also mollie if we lynch first scum and you are/turn into a survivor i'd offer you the hand to join win with us instead of scum. You would be the king maker. scum needs to risk it to get your help in many cases. but I will believe in you :>

I have been reaching out to you this entire game. it is suboptimal play to leave beeboy and I in the game another day.

this needs to be resolved and if pple don't believe me then lynch me it really is that simple.

or we cld go for "mollie isn't dumb and wldn't claim this if she wasn't telling the truth" but that wld require a belief that pple don't think I am dumb which doesn't exist in this game cos otherwise beeboy wld have been lynched rather than obvstown rh.

but lets continue to ignore the hammer and scumposting from beeboy. I am definitely going to do so. that way I can look like town and not like a claimed lyncher whose target is scum.

I am grabbing your hand zzthing. I am worried about you dying tho. but i will vote bloc with you for as long as we are both are around after we lynch scum!beeboy.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie walk me through why this is a bad plan as a regular lyncher?

*le sigh*

I will go through the motions I suppose. the very thought that I wld out when I did w/o a good town motivated reason will forever piss me off. hey guys! you had the numbers! I was giving you a leg up.

I am not a regular lyncher I am stuck in the game until the bitter end unless I get lynched which is what I have been campaigning for.

cos I do not wanna be a part of this trainwreck of a game that I am somehow gonna get blamed for cos pple are too ashamed for missing the obvs.

beeboy is scum. at least I didn't post my role pm which is what I wanted to do several times. <---- that wld be superduper shitty play and an insult to bro which I wld never wanna do.

any1 who thinks I am a regular lyncher, lynch me.

[pirate mollie]

"plz be careful when you pour this into the sphere-like container"

I wanna find the vid where willam puked on stage in a drag season episode.

[pirate mollie]

@bro - that shld probs be spoilered nsfw

but I love willam

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I think it wld be in town's best interest to try to lose at this point.

mebbe then they wld accidentally lynch scum. that is all.

[pirate mollie]

I don't even care about winning anymore, now it is just pure entertainment.

[pirate mollie]

bee/boy/kaintepes/zzzx/ maybe you? are all potentials.

Deciding today puts the power in scum hants

like this shit is pure gold

[pirate mollie]

3dice <3

ty. know that i tried to help.

Spoiler:

I loved tandy too!

[pirate mollie]

I wish!

that wld have been much more fun.

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hey am flat out ASKING to be lynched so we can hurry up to the part where my role pm is posted and y'all can see how very wrong you are and realize how badly you blew what shld have been an easy win.

cos you ple are willing to lynch beeboy at some point in the game then you have already lost. so you might as well end it now.

if I had a solid second choice I wld try to get you guys to go in that direction I wld but I don't. I still think it is likely kain cos I don't believe his claim, that particular combo makes zero sense in a micros but catdog has officially freaked me out. I used the search engine and looked up first "lyncher turned survivor" it has been used btw! and then "lyncher" and the role has been modified more often than not. so catdog is straight up full of it. I still think lean town on them tho. I think.

if you don't believe me go look it up for yourselves.

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erm. idc if you believe me, if you are town it is not my job to convince you to play to your wc. which town are simply not willing to do.

I don't believe your claim based on the roles so far. you don't believe my claim for...whatever reason. you seem to want to lynch any1 other than you or beeboy like you actually start to salivate when it seems likely that town or indie lynch will go through.

and swearing on your mother's grave is extremely in poor taste and poor form and probably violates a rule somewhere.

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you jump ship whenever some1 other than beeboy's pops up for a lynch. you are not even trying to solve the game.

and I do not need to know your mother to know that trying to use her death/grave/hypothetical death in order to gain an advantage in a game is in poor taste and poor form.

you just don't do that shit.

[pirate mollie]

YAYE!!!!

[pirate mollie]

I accept your apology.

[pirate mollie]

welp. that was a game.

beeboy thanks for not being a dick! <3

3dice. walk me through how you had 2 scumspects and I was not1 of them and lynched me any1. cos I am noticing a pattern with you; you often have sound reasoning and a logical thought progression and often draw the right conclusions and then...you do the OPPOSITE of what you SHLD do.

I can't figure you out.

rc <3 <3 <3

[pirate mollie]

I was worried about getting nked and I had to survive until nedgame to win so I was hoping to steer off the nk by telling the truth.

it didn't work.

[pirate mollie]

I believed you!