Micro 661 | Scumteam UnPick - Pressure Done

ZZZX · Post Post #13 (isolation #0) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:10 pm

VOTE: jaack OMGUS

Also I am tied in votes with the mod. FeelsZZZXMam

ZZZX · Post Post #19 (isolation #1) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:33 pm

yea I think scum cant lie about that since basically EVERY team they write is guaranteed to not contain both scum

ZZZX · Post Post #20 (isolation #2) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:28 am

but to avoid repeatition lets use a popcorn system and only reveal the FIRST part of the first pair. the goal is that if u see someone in you pair already there select some pair that doesnt include him if possible. but only write one person of the pair

I will explain it more indepth but i think thats the best option as scum will face problems fixing it

ZZZX · Post Post #39 (isolation #3) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:05 am

While I completely agree about dun's method of scumhunting to decide the order Pro has broken that (and my plan) anyway. The idea about my plan was to force as many possible combinations since if scum was stuck they will "have" to get something unique unless they want to say they have picked 3/4 of the last picked people which seems very... unlucky but that doesnt matter now does it.

But the funny part is that Pro gets "tiny" town points as I dont see why scum would pick this first. its in no way a real read but Its something. Howver I'd like the rest of hte people to think to claim or not before they do and discuss it together. Since I think we can milk this system for what it's worth. Meanwhile ill prepare a 8x8 matrix to use meanwhile

ZZZX · Post Post #40 (isolation #4) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:14 am

	ZZZX	Dunhallym	ProHawk	Tenshii	Secret Agent Jin	Gamma Emerald	ArcAngel9	Jaack
ZZZX	X
Dunhallym		X
ProHawk			X
Tenshii				X
Secret Agent Jin					X
Gamma Emerald						X
ArcAngel9							X
Jaack								X

ill post an updated one now but i want to save a template

ZZZX · Post Post #42 (isolation #5) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:19 am

	ZZZX	Dunhallym	ProHawk	Tenshii	Secret Agent Jin	Gamma Emerald	ArcAngel9	Jaack
ZZZX	X				ProHawk pick
Dunhallym		X
ProHawk			X
Tenshii				X			ProHawk pick
Secret Agent Jin	ProHawk pick				X
Gamma Emerald						X
ArcAngel9				ProHawk pick			X
Jaack								X

52/64 pairs remaining
24/64 pairs minimum (64 - 8 - 4 x 8)

ZZZX · Post Post #43 (isolation #6) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:19 am

In post 41, Gamma Emerald wrote:Half of the spots are repeats

it makes viewing it easier I think that way

ZZZX · Post Post #44 (isolation #7) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:21 am

only disadvantage of claiming (or advantage depending on how things are) would be making scum kills controlled. advantage is that they are wel... controlled.

disadvantage is that it disallows us from using hte claims system since the scum can get late game with barely any cleared pairs

ZZZX · Post Post #49 (isolation #8) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:24 pm

	ZZZX	Dunhallym	ProHawk	Tenshii	Secret Agent Jin	Gamma Emerald	ArcAngel9	Jaack
ZZZX	X		Gamma Pick		ProHawk pick
Dunhallym		X		Jaack Pick
ProHawk	Gamma Pick		X			Jaack Pick		Jin Pick
Tenshii		Jaack Pick		X			ProHawk/ZZZX pick	Gamma Pick
Secret Agent Jin	ProHawk pick				X
Gamma Emerald			Jaack Pick			X	Jin Pick	ZZZX
ArcAngel9				ProHawk/ZZZX pick		Jin Pick	X
Jaack			Jin Pick	Gamma Pick		ZZZX		X

Arc+tenshii // Jaack+Gamma for me

1 repeated pair so far

ZZZX · Post Post #65 (isolation #9) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:43 am

The meaning behind what i meant was that scum will choose the target which has less possible scum teams to kill instead of killing high priority targets which is good for saving those. but also bad for "using" teh matrix as we would have less clears. but overall works well.

ZZZX · Post Post #66 (isolation #10) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:45 am

Removed copy of 67 with broken tags.

ZZZX · Post Post #67 (isolation #11) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:46 am

In post 66, ZZZX wrote:
ZZZX Dunhallym ProHawk Tenshii Secret Agent Jin Gamma Emerald ArcAngel9 Jaack

ZZZX X
Gamma/ArcAngel Pick
Dunhallym Pick
ProHawk pick

Dunhallym X
Jaack Pick

ProHawk
Gamma/ArcAngel Pick
X
Jaack Pick
Jin Pick

Tenshii
Dunhallym Pick
Jaack Pick
X
ProHawk/ZZZX pick
Gamma Pick

Secret Agent Jin
ProHawk pick
X
ArcAngel Pick/Dunhallym Pick

Gamma Emerald
Jaack Pick
ArcAngel Pick/Dunhallym Pick
X
Jin Pick
ZZZX Pick

ArcAngel9
ProHawk/ZZZX pick
Jin Pick
X

Jaack
Jin Pick
Gamma Pick
ZZZX Pick
X

fixed

Fixed tags.

ZZZX · Post Post #68 (isolation #12) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:47 am

i have a plan in mind but we will need the last person to claim first now i think

ZZZX · Post Post #97 (isolation #13) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:39 am

I would say that going back to that post @Jaack kind of sounds... too forced? I wouldn't say I loved his post explaining it since, well it didn't need explaining but pushing him now for it just seems a bit off.

Also i think if we can aim our lynches to minimise the unpicks it might be interestingly good. need to do some maths for it

ZZZX · Post Post #98 (isolation #14) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:42 am

For now lets focus on scum hunting. if in any case we dont agree on a lynch we will use the chart to decide the best target

everyone good with that?

ZZZX · Post Post #126 (isolation #15) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 5:32 am

Prodge been a bit busy this weekend

ZZZX · Post Post #167 (isolation #16) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:07 am

ONe question I dont get @tenshii and @jack. Why are you just so focused on his RVS vote? Am I missing something or wat.

ZZZX · Post Post #168 (isolation #17) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:09 am

For proHawk read I dont really have one. His posts have been "emotional" but still devoid of any real drive. Don't see any intentionals behind them yet.

ZZZX · Post Post #195 (isolation #18) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:05 am

In post 176, Dunhallym wrote:I’ve already asked but didn’t see an answer. What was your plan?

I planned to see if we can get a person who was at one scum team unknown to be closer to a conf town . forcing scum to aim at him or risk losing thier edge. Either that or trying to getmyself conftowned if i had at most 2 scum pairs would be the start of the plan.

and with that out we really cant do into any details since its pointless

ZZZX · Post Post #196 (isolation #19) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:06 am

In post 176, Dunhallym wrote:What do you mean about prohawk’s posts being emotional?

i feel its not very "robotic". Its human. It has emotions

I dont see wtf I am explaining here. its self explainary

ZZZX · Post Post #197 (isolation #20) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:07 am

In post 181, Tenshii wrote:His wagon was because of an RVS vote.

I mean, I get that. But What I want to understand is what is the current read anyone who reads him right now has outside of the post. pretty sure 7 pages would be enough to either solidify the read or discard it.?

ZZZX · Post Post #198 (isolation #21) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:08 am

Also I will be busy for the next week. finals for this semister. will try to post every day or two though

ZZZX · Post Post #255 (isolation #22) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:11 am

gona read up fast

ZZZX · Post Post #256 (isolation #23) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:17 am

I think talking about maths now might be an interesting but not effective case in that regard

On another note I like the new replacements except for page 10 interactions. It just felt ssbm push on SS was too... forced?

also I think we played together before @SS. I just feel so but im not sure tbh lel

ZZZX · Post Post #257 (isolation #24) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:18 am

Also @Dun I had a few things in mind but they werent valid anymore as I didnt get the picks I wanted as I told you. However I STILL have a mini plan but its not the time to reveal it yet. A Gambiteer reveals his cards when the time is right.

ZZZX · Post Post #258 (isolation #25) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:20 am

In post 251, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 250, Dunhallym wrote:I'd like you to give your opinion on people independantly of any probability they have of being scum
This won't be possible now that I've done the math and drawn my conclusion because of confirmation bias or whatever but I'll try, sure, it's only 10 pages and a lot of it is filler from my math and the charts. My brain works better when I think about situations logically rather than try to read the intentions people have.

remeber having a 1% probability doesnt mean something didn't happen. It just means that it hasn't likely happened. We can use those numbers if we have nothing else to grasp but for now they shan't do anything

ZZZX · Post Post #260 (isolation #26) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:32 am

In post 259, Something_Smart wrote:And ZZZX I played in Maths which you modded but I don't think I've ever played with you.

Oh maybe. I honestly remeber seeing your name in a game before. that would make sense regardless

ZZZX · Post Post #318 (isolation #27) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:57 pm

wait this is a nightless?

Someone hasn't been doin'his homework. mehh

ZZZX · Post Post #319 (isolation #28) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:57 pm

ill read up soon. Kinda busy for now.

ZZZX · Post Post #346 (isolation #29) » Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:17 pm

Ugh forgot to mention i am vla until 13th of this month. When i finish my last final.

ZZZX · Post Post #422 (isolation #30) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:41 pm

I is back now
I is reading
I is not englishing after tests much

ZZZX · Post Post #424 (isolation #31) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:45 pm

In post 332, ProHawk wrote:Seems forced.

Well not gona say much but this was used as a scum arguement in nearly every game I have ever played including my first (where my first sig came from!) but I dont see why scum would say something that they knew and risk getting called out for being fake.

Unfortunately I am kinda "untied" as town. I give my thoughts. Pure & Unfiltered but I see where you are coming from... I guess?

Reading on

ZZZX · Post Post #425 (isolation #32) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:46 pm

In post 334, Something_Smart wrote:His first three posts (7, 21, 36) are already discussing how to make use of the setup in a way that benefits town. Given that as scum, he very likely would have discussed whether or not he would lie about his picks, I think that would have made him hesitant to take the lead on claiming and keeping track of picks.

His theory points in 92 are similar in the way that he just puts information out there, something I think scum would be self-conscious about, and also how he admits that he doesn't support plans that go beyond D1; scum already generally plan things out and this setup makes it even more likely that they'd be planning out their moves ahead of time.

I like how in 123 he didn't attack my slot for being confused. I also like how in 293 he admitted that he was widely townread but didn't try to use it to accomplish anything, instead rejecting a proposed townblock with him in it. (And one that he easily could have accepted as scum given that he was townreading me and Gamma.)

It's a bit hard to explain, but his posts just give off a sincere-town vibe that I've found almost always comes from town. (Except for Nahdia. ) The best other example that I can think of off the top of my head is Transcend in this game.

Im not sure if I should like this or hate it. Anyway I am interested in this post and quoting it now for future referance

ZZZX · Post Post #426 (isolation #33) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:48 pm

In post 334, Something_Smart wrote:His first three posts (7, 21, 36) are already discussing how to make use of the setup in a way that benefits town. Given that as scum, he very likely would have discussed whether or not he would lie about his picks, I think that would have made him hesitant to take the lead on claiming and keeping track of picks.

His theory points in 92 are similar in the way that he just puts information out there, something I think scum would be self-conscious about, and also how he admits that he doesn't support plans that go beyond D1; scum already generally plan things out and this setup makes it even more likely that they'd be planning out their moves ahead of time.

I like how in 123 he didn't attack my slot for being confused. I also like how in 293 he admitted that he was widely townread but didn't try to use it to accomplish anything, instead rejecting a proposed townblock with him in it. (And one that he easily could have accepted as scum given that he was townreading me and Gamma.)

It's a bit hard to explain, but his posts just give off a sincere-town vibe that I've found almost always comes from town. (Except for Nahdia. ) The best other example that I can think of off the top of my head is Transcend in this game.

Generally Positive vibes from Dunhallym even thou shes trying to attack me at every chance

ZZZX · Post Post #427 (isolation #34) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:49 pm

In post 362, Gamma Emerald wrote:ZZZX doesn't seem to have posted ANYTHING wrt me.

I remeber I talked about ProHawk ands not about you tbh. Let me go through my stuff

ZZZX · Post Post #428 (isolation #35) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:51 pm

In post 364, Dunhallym wrote:then tell me what has ZZZX done to be out of the scumpool?

While its not a strong arguement I can see maybe him seeing me as a way for him to confirm late-game as I have only 2 scumparing inc/him which makes me easy to clear. Or just me having 2 pairings.

Or just having nothing to put me in the scumpool in the first place. Probably.