Micro 672: Vanillish Mafia (Game Over!)

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Pine, why push a policy lynch in a micro?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

5v3 PL lynch
next day is;
4v3 hope to god we get it right, scum gets a kill, if not we lose
3v2 hope to god we get it right, if not we lose

Continue to push a PL and you'll get my vote

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I don't like spade.

Spade, why should I like you?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: Kain

Yeah no, not doing that

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Honey, Town of Salem is the white girl trailer trash of Mafia. Let me tell you the pecking order.

Mith
The Mods
Mafiascum
Epicmafia
Off-site knock offs
The Dirt
The worms inside the dirt
Ice JJ Fish's singing voice
Town of Salem


Please, let's refrain from talking about it again

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Kain, I got a question. I recently played a scum game with Pine, who is a hydra with Thinkbig, the tank guy.

Now, should I tunnel and confbias myself to Pine or should I ignore him?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

confbias is short for confirmation bias. It's when you think a player is scum and all your reasoning as to why you think a player did something is because they were scum.


What made you decide to bold those specific words?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

My mistake, I meant bolding as in CAPITALIZING each letter in a certain word

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm getting a town read on Kain, he's clear

UNVOTE: Kain

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Okay I can deal with that, also could you take your vote off of thinktank?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: spade

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You actually have a really good point.

What's the possibility that they didn't post content because you seemed to be an easy mislynch?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I was thinking, hey look a PL lynch, that would be easy to pull off because it's a Policy Lynch. So scum would ignore real work and then allow the mislynch to occur

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

If not, then it's in the other 4

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Maybe it's because I work with teenagers a lot, but I don't necessarily mind your gameplay. I do see you providing thought, just in a different manner than people like

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Hey Pine, I kinda want to make a hydra solely for the fact that we could name it Pine-a-Tonics, like a word play on that singing group pentatonix lmao

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Since when am I not allowed to agree with someone? Also what's scummy about posing a theory?

Also why is it that you don't want to upset the heat on a VC if there isn't enough content?

Also what heat is there, the thread is colder than Christmas?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I noticed Kain is very loud and his accusations are flamboyant as scum when reviewing previous games. I noticed a huge difference with him actually producing thought instead of him just saying something is scummy, hence my town read on him.

@Spade, points 2-4, that thought hasn't left my mind but further interactions with them well shed light as to what's up because I honestly can't see Kain properly doing scum threatre with Pine. Two highly different levels of caliber with each player respectively and I don't believe they have day chat either, as it wasn't stated, so I don't see Pine being able to lead Kain

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

What do you feel is fluff about hiraki's post?

I'll step in an give my 2 cents cuz I'd like to.

Personally, he spends half of his post attacking an IC and then the rest of his comments on the posts he quoted are different variations of "this is bad."

No real analysis of what happened, unlike Spade who actually looked into the motivation of TT and Kain's interactions.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I clicked his profile then viewed his topics, and skimmed the games he played in/his alignment and came to that conclusion.

P-Edit: I guess my thoughts don't really need to be interpreted as scum or not huh?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

This innocent child thing is weird.

Besides playing as town like ya usually do, is there anything one should be doing with being confirmed?

P-Edit: Almost want to say that's a bluff

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Thinker, what's your thoughts on Spades?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So yeah, I'll be gone for the next 24 hours, getting piss drunk cuz it's my best friends birthday

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: tiershift

You don't end day 1 5 pages in

You've been discouraging a hell of a lot of conversation

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Also that post made you sound like an utter twat when hammering

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So, I got about 30 minutes, people's are on a beer run. Let's see what I can come up with

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Actually, that was a fake hammer which is a common gambit

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

No I mean on Hiraki or whoever

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: Karnos

That ISO is a fucking joke

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

My vote isn't moving till I see actual contribution.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Pine is scum, easy as that. I can't go into detail but I'm at work and sobering up from yesterday. We are not lynching him unless I am here.

I know haven't done much as an IC but I'm breaking out the comb. While I'm gone, I want everyone to post their scum reads and two posts by that player as to why you think they're scum. If you can't do this, then it's evident you can't scum hunt/are scum.

May the odds be ever in your favor. Also putting anyone at L-1 unless an IC approves will be scum motivated from this point as we are in LyLo, with that, I'll return after work.

Have fun

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

UNVOTE:

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Actually, if you are town, do not vote at all unless approved by an IC. Scum can't hammer by themselves but if you happen to pick the final unconfirmed it's game over cuz it takes 1 townie and the 3 scum can pile on. Also pretty sure I read that they have day chat

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Absolutely, though it's a little frustrating how dogmatically Town is holding to the notion that scum never busses in [tab]LYLO.
[/tab]
It's called tactics.

*coughs*

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Pine and Kain, scum, Pine policy lynches Kain for town cred and gets the venge kill to take out an IC

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Let's keep talking, I like to talk and still haven't had time took full reads.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

To make*

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I don't want to hammer until I can make the road map for end game and that will take me a bit of time so give me like two days max although it shouldn't be needed

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Gin is venge kill by maf if not maf are fucking idiots

Yeah so let's not hammer till I can finish the game

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

It doesn't make sense that as town, you need to cuddle up to Aelin to make sure the conf!townie likes you. Don't shape your opinions in order to please the IC, post your actual opinions so we can tell what your true intentions are. Again, if town, you should have no problem being honest right?

Also you need to give your scum reads because you're proving my earlier point

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Ordering a policy lynch on you, regardless of alignment puts all heat on you. So yes, if scum, it was smart to do so

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Home, time to get to work

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

1. karnos
2. KainTepes
3. Think Tank (hydra of Pine and ThinkBig)
7. Spade_Ace
8. Hiraki

1) Karnos, Kain, Think
2) Karnos, Kain, Spade
3) Karnos, Kain, Hiraki
4) Karnos, Think, Spade
5) Karnos, Think, Hiraki
6) Karnos, Spade, Hiraki
7) Kain, Think, Spade
8) Kain, Think, Hiraki
9) Kain, Spade, Hiraki
0) Think, Spade, Hiraki


This is for review so I don't have to waste another page in my notebook. Although, I will be referring this and each respective number when I make my road map

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm still working but want me to spam for page top?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I mean I'm not that far off from reaching page top

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Hmmmm well in that case I might just consider it

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

After very careful consideration and thought I've come to the conclusion

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

<3 You host confirmed me, what's not to love

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

GET BACK IN YOUR TANK

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Think, what's your thoughts on Kain, Spade, Hiraki and Karnos?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I've eliminated ThinkTank from the scum pool for post 25 and post 87. I couldn't connect ThinkTank to anyone besides Hiraki and Tier and half of those ended up being town.


That leaves

1) Karnos, Kain, Spade
2) Karnos, Kain, Hiraki
3) Karnos, Spade, Hiraki
4) Kain, Spade, Hiraki

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm theoretically voting for Spade, 7 posts and it's literally a cringy ISO

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So...

1) Karnos, Kain, Spade
2) Karnos, Spade, Hiraki
3) Kain, Spade Hiraki

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

1) Spade, Karnos, Kain
2) Spade, Karnos, Hiraki
3) Spade, Kain, Hiraki

repost because this looks so much neater

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Karnos

ISO both Spade and Karnos

You'll notice they vote for Tier near the same time; they vote for Hiraki near the same time; Karnos attempts a preemptive bus but unvotes 10 minutes after finding out Spade is at L-1.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

After I die, vote for Karnos if you're town.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm ready to end the game.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'll wait for Aelin's thoughts tho

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I hate Think Tank purely for the amount of WIFOM my mind gets from thinking every move he makes is scum. Kinda curious how I'd read Think if I didn't play a scum game with Pine

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: Spade

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I am....alive?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

IF TOWN, DO NOT VOTE AT ALL

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

There are 3 town,

IC Gin and two unknown

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

why did you say Aelin was alive?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Everyone bussed Spade and that's annoying.... why couldn't someone defend to make my life easy lmao

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Hiraki is town!conf

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Spade was pushing for Hirakis lynch, hence why I'm reading conf

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Y'all got me fucked up

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Everyone's Scum List:

Karnos: Think & Hiraki

Hiraki: Think & Kain

Kain: WTF

Think: Karnos & Kain

Two of you are town and have made this not easy at all

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I have looked at Karnos through a more objective lens and I do not see him being scum. He is objectively scummy but not for the right reasons for being scum. I can get into this if you would like.

Yes please

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I so badly want to say Think and Kain are town

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: TierShift

You didn't say anything about Tier before this vote.

Explain

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VC 1.Lynch!

TierShift

(5): Karnos 113, Hiraki 116, Think Tank 117, TheRealGin-N-Tonic 119, Spade_Ace

Lynch!!!

Spade_Ace

(1): TierShift 122

Hiraki

(1): KainTepes 98

Karnos

(1): Aelin 111

Not Voting

(0): Nobody!

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Mod Notes: TierShift has been lynched! Stand by for a flip!

Hiraki, you said you think Kain is town but also said it was impossible for all 3 scum to be on Tier's wagon

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: ThinkTank

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

UNVOTE:

fucking hate this

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

wait, why do you sign off your message with Pine,, pine is another player on this site,, ?? i'm confused,

Pine and Kain can't be attached

Kain would have been told this in the daychat as he would have been confused in there

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: Kain

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Not kain

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

It's not a town slip, it's a definitive post showing they can't be a team together, so it's either or.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Prove it, I don't care for someone saying "I know I'm town" I seriously doesn't help me because none of you are confirmed to me.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You've called Kain town a lot, but why is that?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I have a macro running that's refreshing a small window every 30 seconds to see if a new post is made while I'm at work. Don't worry

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So are you saying Hiraki and ThinkTank are the final two scum?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

UNVOTE:

I do want to hear your case on those two

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

How about we entertain the thought that both Hiraki and Karnos are town. I'd like to see that

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

My current main scum read - Hiraki

There are so many things regarding him that is rubbing me the wrong way.

1) His only reason for voting against me was cos I called his Post 67 as fluff, which it indeed was.

2) He gives a definition of the meaning of fluff and uses that definition to defend everything. He says, "

For the purposes of fluff, I would think that it is pretty agreed that these are points that provide no content and no information to anyone.

No

, the definition of Fluff is:-

"writing perceived as trivial or superficial."

It could provide content but it is either not useful or not justified with reasons.

3) His defense of why Post 67 is not fluff, was mainly made using statements he provided in the defense itself,which is, Post 104. You cannot defend why one post is shitty based on reasons you have provided in another post. This is his first statement:

"For example, in Post 14, ThinkTank is pretty serious about the PL before Kain posts. Then drops it once it looks like a scene is being created in Post 36. Please explain to me how that is fluff and not just a misunderstanding of how I utilize the term "don't like this"?"

If he had mentioned this initially,which he didn't, then I wouldn't have called him out on that.

4) Next, his comments on ThinkTank. He first says. "

I can't comment on his townread if he's giving no substance and also is making me look scummy in his own dying ship.

. This makes it seem as if he has a slight scum lean on Pine. But he then goes on to defend ThinkTank saying that ThinkTank probably made an error in his list. So do you scumlean Pine or Townlean Pine??

5) His comment based on Pine's scum list.

Think Tank, feel free to correct me. I didn't think it was hard to read or understand. The people who are looking at this have clearly not read the post and just noticed a small discrepancy and jumped on it.

.

No

, we have clearly read the post and noticed the error but we wanted to know what sort of "town vibes" he got from you.

6) His comments:-

@Mod: Definitely not being a hardass - we appreciate it lol

@Gin: Have fun!

Seems as if he is trying too hard to be town. Esp when Mod's comment was not directed at him.

VOTE: Hiraki

PEDIT: Look who decided to finally show up for the game.

This is a damning post show conf!town

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Lynchpool today is karnos, Kain, Think

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Actually, redacting Karnos

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: Think

Hiraki and Kranos, your argument is a TvT, just look at it after taking a step back

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

What's the difference?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I don't see how Kain is 100% scum

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Tell me how Think is town and I'll move a vote but there is nothing coming out of that hydra that has actually been helpful

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

UNVOTE:

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I just read Aelin's ISO three times. In no way did she say anything like that you were Town. That's an outright lie. All the AtE of "I'm just a kid don't pick on me is looking super stinky in hindsight.

Pine

Remember when I said AtE is a scum tell I look for?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I DID NOT REMEMBER THIS WRONG,, stop trying to make me sound like i am in bad light,, i know you are scum shade casting on me and hoping GIN AND TONIC believes you over me,,

i am very angry at you even though i know you are just playing to your WIN CONDITION,,

Okay, now that's a scum slip

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

If you want to butter me up, call me Gin

Ginngie is how I go by in most sites or TheRealGin/ngie

so please, just call me Gin or Ginn

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

i actually like spade's post #96,, that PLUS the "accidental" leaving out of HIRAKI from the vote list has made me reconsider my townread on thinktank,, and I will

VOTE: Hiraki

So, you like Spade's post when voting for town?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I believe I should have policy lynched you is what I should have done.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Also, Pine, I really miss your old avatar, what made you change?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Kain, karnos, and Think are the only sus ones to me so I'm trying to find the townie in the scum stack

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: Kain

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Now we wait for the flip but honestly, it was my mistake for not wanting to policy lynch him D1. If town, I dont see how he can suspect literally everyone.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

It's your fault

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I honestly have no clue how I was supposed to actually win this day

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Considering I'm going through shit with my girlfriend right now and Im already apathetic as it is; I could not care less about you.

Let this game go before I report your behaviour for harassment please.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Kain. Final warning dude

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Kain, please realize I used 27 sheets of my notebook to figure out this game. Your slot had no consistency and I couldn't get an actual read; thus scum was able to hide in the obscurity.

I was right about Think pushing a PL being scum motivated
I was right about Kronos and his parallel voting with Spade
I was right about you and Hiraki.

What fucked it up?
The inconsistency of who you scum read. I couldn't find who you actually thought was scum or town, you changed it every time you posted so the slot created much more confusion than good.

P-Edit: Also Pine was conf!scum when he said he was mentoring ThingBig, as soon as he whiteknighted(granted it was his own slot) him playing the noob card, instant flashback to him defending me in the Hunger Games.


Fair warning to the future Pine, I know now to trust my gut when I see you as scum

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Well that's comforting

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I give props to spade for pushing Hiraki hard, that blind sided me.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Don't all caps words, don't use excessive dots or commas.

It's a common fact that the better your grammar, the more people perceive you as town. It's hard to town read when it's hard to read in general.


P-Edit: I only wanted to lynch Think or Kain, I thought for sure Hiraki was town AF so he wasn't going to be lynched.

Kronos was scummy but townish to me so when I'm sitting here thinking 2/3 of Kain/Kronos/Think and I'm leaning town Kronos, I thought I had the best chance nailing scum between the two.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Put quite simply, I got a town read wrong which led to a snowball like effect.

Also if it helps you understand the situation I was in, this was all 50% chance for me being right, the rest of ya'll know you're either town or scum so it's easier cuz you're looking for only other town player.

Honestly, being an IC was more of a handicap to me than anything.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I didn't find you annoying.

I found it hard to read what you actually were thinking and I honestly couldn't get a true read on, well, your reads.


I'm sorry, I tried, I got played, GG.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Not talking about the games I'm in because they're ongoing.

I just realized this is my 3rd town game.

I have a 75% rate as playing scum lmfao

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I just need to get better at chasing my scum reads. I should have known 100% that Think was scum for pushing that PL lynch.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

yeah....

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm still giving props to Spade for pushing Hiraki so hard.

One of my main thoughts I couldn't get around is that I believed Hiraki could be scum with Think but the fact that Hiraki was being pushed early on by Spade made me think Hiraki was impossible to be scum.

I read the scum chat and honestly, I love the coordination that went into it.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Can I policy lynch you every game when it's said scum has daychat

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Statistically I've played scum 75% of the time and this game being my first town game in over 3 months.

Now, this might be just me, but I think there is a reason I can win a scum game and get nommed and then get fooled as an IC

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I like it because as town, you literally know nothing and have to figure everything out. I've been learning the more I go that I seriously have to bite the scum reads I have because they don't usually fail me. If I think it's scummy, it's because it most likely is.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Basically I need to work on building my confidence as town

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Kain let it go