Long term health of mafiascum

[callforjudgement]

Hmm, if we're talking about site appearance features, what about something that visually merges double-posts UI-wise (i.e. you get a post-number-and-date heading for each post, but the username, avatar, etc. only appears once)? That'd help prevent spamposters using up so much vertical space, making the thread less daunting to read.

[tn5421]

i'd pay at least $10 for double eye patches

I'd pay an additional $10 for a third eye patch.

[popsofctown]

Hmm, if we're talking about site appearance features, what about something that visually merges double-posts UI-wise (i.e. you get a post-number-and-date heading for each post, but the username, avatar, etc. only appears once)? That'd help prevent spamposters using up so much vertical space, making the thread less daunting to read.

Or an edit feature that allows a form of editting in which you can only append?

Seems helpful

[Alisae]

tbh
what I do to counteract spamposting (mostly when I'm modding)
is add ppp=200 to the url
it extends the posts per page to 200
so while it doesn't change the fact that people are spamposting, it makes counting votes a hell of a lot easier and less tedious

So like
playing that might make a difference
when it comes to modding I doubt that would make as much as a difference.

[Gamma Emerald]

I just ctrl-f vote

[Espeonage]

Having read Kison's big post last page, I think that an app is sorely needed.

I play on my phone but it is definitely in the realm of slog. I actually play ToS as well when I want a little bitesize mafia experience that doesn't require as much thinking. I need to be in the right frame of mind to play my games here, and something to unwind is awesome.

What we have going for us is years of game balance and years of varied non random setups. Which is something all the competitors lack. There is currently a project where the open setups are being overhauled, which once done provides a platform for making a phone and tablet based version of mafiascum that runs automated open games. Either with on demand, or a host chooses situation. We have the setups, we run them in marathons. With a chat style system we take out the most time consuming part of marathons that will tighten up the run time (refreshing) as a current marathon runs probably a little too long for mobile.

10 minute / 2 minute deadlines
Open setups
We don't have focus on role madness
We have balance

We stay unique, while also provide an entry for players to site, microtransactions help with the server costs.

[RadiantCowbells]

Want to point out our issue isn't getting people to come it's getting them to stay

[Gamma Emerald]

the get people to stay issue is resolved by the newbie queue firing faster,which is a pre-existing discussion

[Mulch]

Ranked queue= I might quit

[Vaxkiller]

Want to point out our issue isn't getting people to come it's getting them to stay

Are we seeing lots of people leave during their newbie games? Or do they sign up but never play?

[AnonymousGhost]

Are we seeing lots of people leave during their newbie games? Or do they sign up but never play?

It's also possible that they quit after playing their first game on site.

[Kison]

New users coming in

is

an issue. I'm not just guessing on that one(or on the SEO decline) - we review numbers at the start of each month.

Retention could also be an issue, but I haven't found a solid way to track that yet.

[StefanB]

Ranked queue= I might quit

Are you sure that wouldn't be good for the long term health.

But I don't like the ranked. We play a long time in a game, so for me the one game counts, not how I do overall.
And games are too diferent.

Heh, I looks good you won 2 game in a row, not so great when it gets out in one of them you self-hammered (okay as scum) and won only by luck.

[Ranmaru]

More team mafia. More geriatric games. More of the same games. More of DYNAMIC DUO (team maf without the team maf, check it out in the que). I think these things are good since there is demand for them.

[BBmolla]

Why would ranked queue make you quit when you literally could just not play there

[RadiantCowbells]

New users coming in

is

an issue. I'm not just guessing on that one(or on the SEO decline) - we review numbers at the start of each month.

Retention could also be an issue, but I haven't found a solid way to track that yet.

Fair enough but I think a lot more can be done retention wise.

[Kison]

Would love to hear your ideas!

[BBmolla]

Ranked queue= I might quit

Are you sure that wouldn't be good for the long term health.

But I don't like the ranked. We play a long time in a game, so for me the one game counts, not how I do overall.
And games are too diferent.

Heh, I looks good you won 2 game in a row, not so great when it gets out in one of them you self-hammered (okay as scum) and won only by luck.

I don’t understand your point here. A ranked queue would basically be normal queue but with tracked rankings somewhere (how many points people get for victories can be discussed obv, it’d have to be discussed if you got more/less points for certain roles etc.)

The biggest thing is it’d be easily quantify-able to see who wins more and who loses, so people could easier show off their e-peen

Keep in mind this is coming from a guy who was in like bottom 50 when someone came up with a system for rankings a while back.

The big thing too would be harsher punishments in that queue for flaking.

If retention is not an issue this is irrelevant. As it stands I think people realize that in the end the games they play here don’t matter so they leave and go somewhere where there is a record stating they are legit at this game.

I guess what is the argument for not having one?

[Mulch]

I can say in like ... 72 hours lol

[BBmolla]

And the scummies don’t count, they were designed for an earlier site meta where games were 100 pages or less. It’s ridiculous that we now expect judges to judge multiple 200+ page games.

We are at a site that cares about statistics more than most sites yet we have no ranked queue or any official stat tracking.

[BBmolla]

And if your argument is comprised of “I wouldn’t use it” that’s fine, the rest of the games will still be here.

[Mulch]

That’s not my argument

[Flubbernugget]

My biggest issue with rank is that people will use it as an excuse or have it motivate people to be toxic.

[BBmolla]

I could argue the same thing for the scummies

I could argue the same thing about not deleting threads after games end, I guess we should just delete them so no one uses them to be toxic.

[brassherald]

I think one thing to promote retention would be to lower the duration of the days. I would be willing to bet you lose most players in their first newbie game during day 1.

Also, a ranked queue is just going to lead to toxicity, in my opinion. Like, if a player ends up ranked number 3 in the forum, how do we now make it so that this player is in games that match his (now, fully measured) skill level without just forcing the top 9-21 players to play literally every game together? It will lead to elitism and smaller queues.

I also think we need a fully formed theory of the ranked system including the method of scoring, etc. before anyone can really say "Yeah, this works" How do we score a mafia player? Is it pure win/loss? Do they earn points for lynching a player of the other faction? Do you earn more points by playing against someone better than you? Does it account for luck at all?

Even if I thought the ranked system was a good idea, the discussion would need to begin with "Here's a ranking system, let's work out the kinks." not "let's have a ranking system"