Large Normal 216 - Endgame

[AP]

Are you loyal vig? I love that as a role.

If I was I would have never acted.
I'm DISloyal RB. This means I don't even know if my action succeeded or not. I targeted Maxous. It was between him and Shattiel for me.

[Completly Trustworthy]

By the way, does a roleblocker count as an investigative role? I'm trying to figure out the setup,so that information could be useful. I think it might if successfully roleblocking hints at a person's alignment. Still, I would like confirmation as whether it is treated as an investigative role.

[AP]

Generally speaking it counts as a protective. It can be used to prove someone does have an action, but it needs for that someone to claim they were roleblocked. Otherwise the RB doesn't get notified whether there action was successful, or even if there was anything for them to RB to begin with.

[Shattiel]

AP just claim your ass role name

[AP]

What?

[Shattiel]

Disloyal Roleblocker is that it?

[AP]

Disloyal Roleblocker is that it?

Do you want extra dressing? Would you like to have a Pepsi with that?

[Shattiel]

Disloyal Roleblocker is that it?

Do you want extra dressing? Would you like to have a Pepsi with that?

I was thinking some more wolf fur and the word "Scum" before Disloyal

[Shattiel]

@Peformer why'd you claim anyway you've got 3 checks ffs and you only.got the most vague one.

[Shattiel]

So if that is true
We got
IC
Multitasking Joat
Rolestopper
Disloyal Roleblocker

Then 1 scum flip "goon"
Hell the wolves left must be fkin tanks

[AP]

So if that is true
We got
IC
Multitasking Joat
Rolestopper
Disloyal Roleblocker

Then 1 scum flip "goon"
Hell the wolves left must be fkin tanks

I'd only call the JOAT a strong role out of the 4. and multitasking is even more so, but what does the IC do other than having a confirmed townie in advance? Rolestopper is a protective but it has the downside of also stopping investigatives from getting rulest on the target, so in terms of utility it comes 3rd after Doctor and Jailkeeper.

My role could yield some investigation results, but I'd need for scum to claim they got blocked on the night I targeted them for that to work.

In all honesty; If I was scum I'd be content if these are the only PRs the Town has. I'm pretty sure I can take the Town down if I was a goon with 3 other goons!! (Not saying all scum are goons, but with one of them being informed and not knowing what they were informed of I can see a 4 goons team vs these 4 PRs + a bunch of VTs as a fairly balanced setup.)

[AP]

Again: Don't anybody think I am suggesting the scum team is all vanilla. I didn't say that. They could all be PRs for all I know, but if so we need to have at least 2 additional PRs, and when I say PRs I don't mean the "named Townie" type like visitors and such.

[Performer]

Maxous, you said in 1103 that your read on RCE hinged on flips and you had a problem with his readlist. Have the recent flips changed your opinion of the slot at all?

To be fair the only slot from that list I still think could be scum is Sephiroth. Shattiels grown on me, maxous too.

The only person of the 3 you mentioned that're probably town, is maxous for me.

[RCEnigma]

Is that solely based on your track?

[Performer]

{AP, garmr, performer}
{seph, ofrhz, shat}
{rce}
{profii, lily, max}
{ct, xx}

not sorted:
saud
nero
gamma
ct

VOTE: AP

see ya in another 46 hours o/

You have ct as scum AND in not sorted
you have AP as tr AND you voted him
Then you return to coasting

Nos is is starting to worry me a great deal.
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pedit @rce: it's partially based on the track of maxous & seph+shatt haven't done anything on d2 to make me think they're town

[Performer]

Are you loyal vig? I love that as a role.

If I was I would have never acted.
I'm DISloyal RB. This means I don't even know if my action succeeded or not. I targeted Maxous. It was between him and Shattiel for me.

What in the?

[Performer]

and Dva had a scum read on him so I wouldn't be surprised if she visited him to.

-spec of me being some sort of mafia pr
-mentioned dva visited ap

Garm, Dva flipped as n2 & n3 rolestopper. No way she could've been the motion on ap.

Garm seems a little off with those 2 instances there, but I've seen him as town make a weird mistake once when he listed davesaz as scum on d2, when dave was killed n1....so....eh.

[profii]

AP -

you had Maxous in your very large willing to lynch list 281
you then took him out of your lynchpool, largely seemingly because Shattiel claimed masons with Maxous, and you concluded if there was a towny in that claim, it would be the one that didn't claim (which is logical)

From there to end of day 1, you never put Maxous back in the lynch pool

so if you are claiming town-disloyal-roleblocker - why did you think maxous was a better target than anyone you'd been scum reading through day 1?

[ofrhz]

The result on AP isn't damning but it would be expected that scum was busy last night considering we whacked one on Day 1

Even if we didn't lynch scum day one, were scum just going to sit back and not use their night actions? This post

[RCEnigma]

If the have x shot or x night actions....yes, possibly.

[ofrhz]

{AP, garmr, performer}
{seph, ofrhz, shat}
{rce}
{profii, lily, max}
{ct, xx}

not sorted:
saud
nero
gamma
ct

VOTE: AP

uhhhh why did you vote AP here?

[AP]

so if you are claiming town-disloyal-roleblocker - why did you think maxous was a better target than anyone you'd been scum reading through day 1?

1- I didn't have any confident SRs on D1
2- It is common that the most suspected Scum won't act on N1 (for fear of being caught red handed)
3- Don't rely much on my declared reads on D1. ofrhz wasn't my top SR by the end of D1 in this game, but that's whom I checked and got a soft guilty on.

[ofrhz]

Are you loyal vig? I love that as a role.

If I was I would have never acted.
I'm DISloyal RB. This means I don't even know if my action succeeded or not. I targeted Maxous. It was between him and Shattiel for me.

That seems like a pretty strong role and kind of incongruous with the post you made here

[ofrhz]

You have ct as scum AND in not sorted

I think nos earlier said that he can't read ct's tone and just has him as a default scumread.

but yeah the AP vote is interesting

I'd be down with wagoning nos as well, since it seems like there is no interest in max or xx right now

[Performer]

The Role Itself

Disloyal is a role modifier conceived as a complement to the earlier Loyal modifier. If a player is Disloyal, then any attempts by that player to use a night action on a player with the same alignment will fail (as though they had been roleblocked). As such, a disloyal player can only succeed with actions when targeting a player of a different alignment.

-Considering rule 15 of how there could multiple folks with same abilities, the rb portion of his claim doesn't sound outlandish...dva also had a similar ability
-I need to re ISO ap to see if his post about max & shat, even make sense
-If he's disloyal rb tpr & targeted someone, they must target a player opposite their alignment to have their action go through.
If he's scum disloyal rb & targeted someone, same as above so his role is risky either way...as a negative utility role.

Setup Speculations

1. mafia: disloyal rb, informed goon, 1-2 more scum
town: n2+n3 stopper, multi joat, IC, maybe 1-3 more tprs based on NRG balancing

2. mafia: informed goon, 2-3 more scum
town: n2+n3 stopper, mult joat, IC, disloyal rb, 1-2 more tprs based on NRG balancing

I see either case is possible .

More Thoughts About Disloyal Rb Claim from AP

See, this is why I wanted to wait for my targets to say something to my actions on the, BEFORE I outed my results. But now, who knows if AP is fabricating this as a scum story because he just so conveniently targeted maxous also.
Has anyone EVER seen a disloyal tpr? This is the first I've even heard of it.

AP remind us - why did you target max??

Consider this: if town ap thought max was scum, then his disloyal role means max HAS to hit someone of OPPOSITE alignment in order for his role to work. If max was indeed scum, then max OBVIOUSLY would target OPPOSITE ALIGNMENT aka anyone other than his team. Now, if max turned out to be a tpr too, then town ap shouldn't even risk it because what if tpr max had a protect or some other good ability to help town - then ap would've neutralized max's role. So ideally ap needs to have waited until another night to use his ability, because on n1 he could've neutralized tpr.
Am I understanding this correctly?