Mini 2039: uPicketyPicketyPick Mafia Endgame

[Not Known 15]

@NK15: Why are you so sure that MariaR is scum here?
And how is Firebringer likely scum with MariaR?

Well, I can't really see a town motivation for MariaR here. A real town PR with Bulletproof/or potential Bulletproof would shut up because a BP town has usually counterplay(e.g. Strongman). A fake claim is also bad because it undermines trust and probably gains no real value.
Plus, she did that in the last game I played with her(a fakeclaim that gained her enough credibility to win it for the team).
And her posts are... weak. Setup speculation/role things, but no real effort in scumhunting.

If you assume that MariaR is scum

Hello I need to be added to any type of PT thank you.

came right after the third vote of three valid votes(jjh votes obv. don't count) against Firebringer, especially directly behind the one that quoted the atrocious post 12(the third voting post), and could be easily a panic reaction to divert interest.

[Nibbui]

I'm only going to be posting like this when people quote my entire wall posts.
Otherwise, I can post normally.
My first post of the game was to be a wall post like that.
As you can see, I goofed that up, but eventually got to it.
I'd prefer to be able to just post normally.

I'm aware a lot of my first wall was fluff. I apologize for that.
I do care about my questions and expect responses but if they don't come, I won't blame people, really.
Like, I don't fully expect every player to read every one of these walls in their entirety.

I do think I'm taking the game more seriously than most, especially the people STILL fluffposting about dancing.
But we're only on page 6, and you're right, a lot of that content that I viewed as AI might just be RVS rubbish.
That said, I'd argue EVERYTHING can be Alignment Indicative and that RVS posts do hold weight.
Just not as much as later posts might.

People who prescribe to an 'RVS is meaningless' philosophy strip it of any use and allow scum to hide in that.
I ain't bout it.

I do like this part of the wall a lot. It felt very genuine, and now I get why people say that Varsoon is a charismatic guy.

Varsoon, about your question "if it's possible to locktown someone as page 6", It's kinda dependent of the player we are locking. For example I usually

almost

locktown NSG depending of her early posts but sometimes I kinda feel that I can be locktowned even earlier than her depending on how I play the game. In Open 720 by I think page 14 or something I was very town read, in Lynch the Wolves I was very town read as well by I think page 20 or 25 and in a marathon game in the first pages I was town read by almost everyone.

In all those games I was town

However! I think I improved a lot my tone (what was my biggest weakness as scum) so I'm not sure how fluid my actual scum play would be compared to before. But yeah you can hard town read me

in this game

and I won't find it that much weird

locking me as town in page 6 is a bit strong though, but well I can see where you're coming from.

Game aside, I had write one more fluffly post to get to the next page but NK15 beat me to it. I'll let it here though if someone like my fun facts section.

Spoiler:

December fun facts#2

I live in a tropical country so I always get sad when I realize that we're in christmas's month but not only there's no snow, it's hot as f***

I like cold. I wish I lived in a colder place or at least one that actually had winter.

[Nibbui]

Hello I need to be added to any type of PT thank you.

came right after the third vote of three valid votes(jjh votes obv. don't count) against Firebringer, especially directly behind the one that quoted the atrocious post 12(the third voting post),

and could be easily a panic reaction to divert interest

.

Mmmmh, do you think that those votes on Fire in RVS would cause panic in their hypothetical partners or even on Fire himself?

I mean, they're experienced players...

I'm open to discuss though

[Varsoon]

@NK15: I see what people mean about your logic. It does fit, though, but, once again, the Maria thing sorts itself out and short of MariaR actually dying or us getting an inno there we just don't let MariaR get close to LYLO. Seems easy enough.

Getting to you in a sec, Nibbui

[Nibbui]

I always read those Afterwords with meaningless talk about trivial things in light novels/novels and found it to be quite amusing. I tried it here for once and...

I might have become more fond of fun facts than I should...

I wonder what to do with that feeling.

I wonder what to do with me wanting to fluffly post as well, just yesterday I was taking things more seriously.

VOTE: Fire

[Not Known 15]

Hello I need to be added to any type of PT thank you.

came right after the third vote of three valid votes(jjh votes obv. don't count) against Firebringer, especially directly behind the one that quoted the atrocious post 12(the third voting post),

and could be easily a panic reaction to divert interest

.

Mmmmh, do you think that those votes on Fire in RVS would cause panic in their hypothetical partners or even on Fire himself?

I mean, they're experienced players...

I'm open to discuss though

MariaR just recently had an experience where a scumpartner made themselves obvious Day 1. Scum are also more likely to think negatively about their partner's posts(because they know they come from scum).

[Varsoon]

@Nibbui:

Firebringer, in my experience, does not panic.
Don't think experienced players worry or sweat all that much over early votes. Generally, scum will even bus early for distancing purposes.

I definitely want more posts from Firebringer, NSG, and RC. All of them need to lay down more content.

Spoiler: Fluff On Snow

I live in southern Louisiana, in Baton Rouge. We get snow maybe once every five years on average.
I know that feeling.

P-EDIT: Can we pump the brakes on the FB wagon until, at least, the minigame is resolved?

[Nibbui]

I'm not voting Fire for the same reasons as NK15 at all to be honest

I don't want to disclose why I'm voting on him rn though

Also yes, we should probably not lynch anyone before solving the minigame.

[Not Known 15]

@Nibbui: Firebringer, in my experience, does not panic.

I don't think Firebringer paniced at all, I just think that Firebringer had 2 early posts that are not good; the first one, although it was only slightly bad, and post 12. I think that MariaR might have paniced.

[Not Known 15]

Votecount #2:

Player	Votes	Voters
Not Known 15	3	northsidegal, Nibbui, Elbirn
Firebringer	2	NicoRobin, ChibiBear
MariaR	1	Not Known 15
mutantdevle	1	Kokichi Oma
Not voting	---	Firebringer, RadiantCowbells, Gamma Emerald, MariaR, Varsoon, mutantdevle

With 13 alive it's 7 to achieve majority for the lynch

The day will end in (expired on 2018-12-16 10:00:00).

The rules for the first minigame will be revealed in (expired on 2018-12-04 10:00:00).

As you can see, my vote is on Maria, not Firebringer; for reasons related to the claim I have already mentioned.

[Varsoon]

Oh, Kokichi should be in my 'Everyone Else' pile.
I also really expect them to post more substantive content, too.

[Not Known 15]

Oh, Kokichi should be in my 'Everyone Else' pile.
I also really expect them to post more substantive content, too.

Where is ChibiBear?

[Varsoon]

I'd also have in them in the Everyone Else pile, I think.
I just copied from the first post and tried to shuffle people around as fit but I think I accidentally backspaced too much to get rid of numbers/my own name.
Despite my walls, I still have trouble remembering everyone who is in this game.

[Firebringer]

We should form a band

[Firebringer]

I thought u lived in Florida varsoon

[Varsoon]

Spoiler:

I did for a year or so. I'm back in Baton Rouge since about 2015.

[Nibbui]

We should form a band

What's going to be its name?

[MariaR]

Well, I'd still classify vigilante shots as nightkills. No, Mafia shooting a bulletproof vest is good, but that wasn't what I was saying. I was saying that it is nearly impossible to verify that BP vest without wasting a nightkill. Would mafia use their nightkill to prove that when its out in the open? No. Only a nightkill in the hands of town could do that, but that's suboptimal for town because it is only telling us that bulleproof was not a lie.
Which is kinda the problem with the claim here - openly claiming this is actually quite dumb for town, and MariaR isn't dumb.
No, this claim came from Mafia.

I never claimed bulletproof vest. I did nothing of the sort and I did that for a reason. I don't think you should be assuming anything without knowing the full details. I'm not dumb enough to just claim BP as town if I was ever put in that spot.

[MariaR]

1. Okay, it's just hard to gauge exactly and if I have an answer sooner or later, it's best.
2. That makes sense. Does mutant usually not try to clear you as scum or is this a meta-independent tell?
3. Can you illustrate what's incorrect and wrong about the logic? I'm not really following.

@MariaR: Why did you claim your bulletproof in thread instead of keeping it a secret?
That's my biggest point of contention when it comes to your play here.
I've got some ideas on it and I'd really like you to tell me (preferably in a PT) but it doesn't look like JJH is going to give us a PT just because I asked nicely.

2) It's not really a meta tell but the whole way mutant went about it felt genuine like he was trying to clear me. He could've done it for brownie points of course but that combined with the rest of his posting makes me have him as a solid townread.
3) It's assuming I claimed BP (I didn't) and even if I did claim BP it's more then likely to come from scum! me. If I was scum with a bp why would I ever claim that instead of letting the town waste it's kill power on me.
I never

did

claim bulletproof varsoon I claimed the important parts. Of course I left out details that I only really want to share with the person I get a pt with if any. For now you'll just have to trust my statement as is.

[Varsoon]

I thought the claim was that you were immune to some kills right now and gaining a PT would net you Deathproof (but not lynchproof).

[Varsoon]

Apologies for calling it Bulletproof/BP there.

[MariaR]

Any other questions about my role? I don't mind answering more but really I don't think it's helping in the overall talk if we keep talking about simple stuff that can be solved later on.
pedit: I'm not deathproof although it'd be correct in saying the only way I die in the night is if I make myself. The PT is about...well I'd answer that in the pt lol

[Kokichi Oma]

Oh gosh what if Kokichi went for the easy pick and that became his normal, or possibly worse his quest role

Idr why I picked what I picked. But I can tell you my flavor.

[Kokichi Oma]

I think Varsoon’s flavor is mastina

Rofl funniest post I've seen

[MariaR]

Hey Kokichi do you have any reads besides me atm?
pedit: RIGHT