Micro 839: Two-in-One (its over)

[Persivul]

Unfortunately I'm very busy at work today and tomorrow. I should be available Saturday.

[Persivul]

Got a little break...

1 vote: Persivul

2 vote: Persivul

Hello again!

Still salty? We did end up winning you know...

[Persivul]

Let’s say you’re 100% certain that xyzzy/Pine is a scumteam, and you’re also 100% sure Taly/maki are a scumteam.

How did you reach that conclusion?

You're probably scum reading them for pushing low hanging fruit, making opportunistic votes, etc. Those things are specific to particular games. xyzzy/pine are probably doing those things in their scum game, but not doing them in their town game.

[Persivul]

Elsa and Irrelephant current interactions give me "eh" vibes.

I'd say meh vibes for Irrelephant.

For Elsa, it read townie - natural and well-reasoned. That surprised me, because last game we played, almost every post he made pinged me, and he made blatant setup errors. I was expecting more of the same here.

OTOH, he flipped town in that last game. And I should note that I replaced in like 80 pages into that one.

[Persivul]

So hey y'all. I'm doing a new thing this game. I'm a VT/VT. Discuss.

The only town motivation to declare that would be to play D1 wifom bullshit like A50 does.

I like lynching A50 early.

VOTE: 1 Pine
VOTE: 2 Pine

[Persivul]

Pine, how do you feel about xyzzy and persival putting you at L-2 in both games at once for you claiming early?

How do

you

feel about it?

[Persivul]

Ahh, the old "I know you are but what am I?" Trick. Amazing skillset to have.

Why do you characterize it that way instead of giving an honest answer to a question which you apparently believe to be of some significance?

[Persivul]

Idea: we play this as 2 separate games. All posts for now are on one game. We set our own deadline for that game. Then we move on to the other with the mod's deadline.

Thoughts?

[Persivul]

A confirmed townie being able to offer input in a game they are dead in is invaluable even if they cant vote, fuzzy. Why get rid of the unique mechanic like that?

There's nothing special about the reads of a dead person.

If this were true, tree stumps would just stump D1. They generally don't do that.

[Persivul]

Yeah, but...Townpings from me ought to be viewed with suspicion. Just sayin'.

Why is that?

[Persivul]

BEHOLD IT IS I, PINE, IN MY FIRST GAME IN LIKE SIX MONTHS

So hey y'all. I'm doing a new thing this game. I'm a VT/VT. Discuss.

Town pings.

Why town pings for an unnecessary claim?

If he's lying, that's scummy. If he's telling the truth, he narrowed down the NK pool in setups which likely rely heavily on PRs.

[Persivul]

Yeah, I like the reasoning he gave, but then the same type of thing I felt odd about Irrelephant doing, I saw in Elsa's post. (filtered banter, quick back and forth with an equally quick end)

It's early. That seems pretty normal to me. No offense, but I find your in-depth posts to be weird this early.

[Persivul]

@Persivul

specifically 49

Do you think double-voting/double-lynching is a valid approach with the stated discussion so far?

Double voting at this point? Sure. There haven't been wagons enough to differentiate one game from the other. And, it will be difficult to have wagons with Elsa throwing shade at people for putting a second vote on someone.

Maybe we should use FOSs and keep our own VCs, because there apparently won't be wagons to analyze.

And does D1 WIFOM = scum here?

It could. I don't see the town motivation. Like I said, A50 likes to pull D1 shit. I find it PL worthy in general, but at least in larger games, there's more time to rectify a mistake. Here, Pine is throwing confusion into setups that could be in lylo on D2. At best his claim is anti-town, and we don't have time to absorb that kind of shit.

[Persivul]

For the next 3-5. Irl days, I'm going to mainly focus on voting in Bird 7p.

Why Bird? Mod repeatedly listed Carbon first. Seems like that one would naturally be the first focused on.

[Persivul]

I don’t feel as strongly as FA about what “ideal play” is here but I think Pine makes good points about how separating the lynches will make it harder to hit scum

When the setup only provides for one mislynch, we can't be basing lynches on statistics.

[Persivul]

Let’s say you’re 100% certain that xyzzy/Pine is a scumteam, and you’re also 100% sure Taly/maki are a scumteam.

How did you reach that conclusion?

You're probably scum reading them for pushing low hanging fruit, making opportunistic votes, etc. Those things are specific to particular games. xyzzy/pine are probably doing those things in their scum game, but not doing them in their town game.

??
I was talking about hypothetical teams for a hypothetical scenario

Yes, and I'm pointing out that you don't just hypothetically get to a read. If you consider the ways people get to reads, you answer your own issue.

[Persivul]

Atleast it seems my "1 game at a time" idea worked out. Funally enough, we get 2 weeks total, so the first week is with the ever so slightly more complicated Bird 7p. We'll have next week to lynch in Carbon.

Scratch my question on this. I'm not sure how the one is slightly more complicated, but you do have some kind of reason.

[Persivul]

Nope, not the only reason

Hey, I've got an idea - you could actually, you know...explain the reason.

[Persivul]

I also think Persivul’s “meh” read on me is B

After our last meeting you should be happy with "meh."

[Persivul]

Persivul please explain your read on me

I said that, after you had one conversation with another person, I was "meh," i.e. null, on you. Your repeated requests for an explanation of my read feels forced - like you're scum paranoid that you don't look townie enough, and you want to know why so you can correct it.

C14: Unvote

B7: Unvote

B7: FOS Irrelephant

[Persivul]

also pers, i wanna know what game about elsa you meant originally (and your reads there and here) if you are able to discuss it

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=77677

I came in on page 93. Elsa was a town Ninja Lawyer. The main thing that bugged me about him was that he had claimed without need, on the grounds that he was basically a miller. Ninja Lawyer was useless for town, but it is in no way a miller. He made a couple other setup errors as well. Worst of all, he self-hammered as town with no reason that that would benefit town. I reported him for playing against wincon, but I guess they didn't do anything.

So:
- I just don't like playing with the guy.
- He seems to be playing a better (i.e. different) game here, which makes me consider that he might be more careful in his thoughts as scum
- BUT, in these setups we don't have the luxury of PLs, so I have to be careful my read is influenced as little as possible by the first point.

[Persivul]

Can we try to get out of all the mech talk now.

Says the person who's done nothing but mech talk, and precious little of that.

[Persivul]

In my experience, laying out strict dichotomies like this usually indicates a flawed model. Your assumption is "I wouldn't do that as Town, so therefore a false claim must be scum." Well I ain't you, mate.

Call me old school. I understand that Lynch All Liars has gone out of fashion, but I think that's a mistake.

[Persivul]

Agreed. Not necessarily scummy, though, Taly does this.

I figured as much. I'm going to do some meta on him to verify eventually.

[Persivul]

Your push on

Irrelephant

thus far seems focused around his read on you...

Not at all. I'm not even sure what his read on me is, would need to go back and check. I'm suspicious of him because he's so concerned about

my

read on

him

. As I clearly said.

Also, I don't know what meeting you've had with

Irrelepehant

before, but 116 is dismissive of him.

In our last game, we were both town, and I led a push on him and got him lynched. He was kinda pissed about it, but we kissed and made up afterward.

[Persivul]

I didn’t make you do anything, I was only the second vote

That's bullshit. Your vote was the second post after the VC. You knew it was L-1, didn't announce it, and now deny prompting the claim.

VOTE: B7: Irrelephant
VOTE: C14: Elsa

p-edit: you realized your mistake and are now trying to save face.

Happy New Year everyone!

[Persivul]

Pers, I know Doctor - Scum is a possibility, but what makes you think it's the case?

Because I think you're scummy, but I believe your doctor claim in B7. That leaves C14. Assuming no CC in B7, someone else will be lynched there, which is what you've wanted - 2 different lynches. I don't buy your position that you're an auto NK tonight. If I were scum in that setup, I'd be much more concerned about the cop than the doc. All your claim does is narrow down the cop pool for them. Regarding your claim I tried to hammer, note the p-edit. I had an FOS in for you, saw his unvote, and changed to a vote. I was well aware of the unvote. Pressure needs to stay on - we have about 3.5 days to come to TWO lynches.

[Persivul]

Elsa can you explain why you think Pine will be cc’ing your doctor claim D2,

given your certainty you will be nightkilled

?

That's the point: if I'm alive and he's alive, scum may be able to get away with having him CC me tommorow with how much shade he just threw on me. I've never been a strong PR, I'll admit that. But I'm trying here.

So yeah, I'm not letting him get away with possibly claiming doctor tommorow just to WIFOM the kill and say I'm the scum claiming doctor for a CC. He point blank mentioned possibly even voting me anyway. On an un'CC'd doctor

No one's going to buy a next day CC. That's ridiculous. In this setup a doc would be thrilled to be able to CC you D1.

[Persivul]

For all intents and purposes, I think Pers just tried to hammer me in Carbon but Ele unvoted.

Wow I didn’t even notice that at first! I think you’re definitely right

C14 vote: Persivul

1. As noted, my p-edit shows I knew I wasn't hammering.

2. Even if you thought I was, you of all people shouldn't see that as sus after our last game. Do you remember writing a post in a mafia discussion thread about quick hammers in which you noted that I skillfully used a quick hammer as town, it led to a scum lynch the next day, and we went on to win the game?

[Persivul]

I’m kinda thinking the Doctor claim is fake, meant to draw the real Doc into CC’ing. No counters, please.

Then why does this post and his next set up suspicoun for him to do that very thing?

Because he's scum, or needs a remedial Mafia 101 class. Which do you think it is?

[Persivul]

That c14 vote count is something alright. No comment

Maybe if you actually put up a vote... We are down to ~3 days you know. Feel free to actually take a stand.

[Persivul]

Yet you aren't. You seem to be content to just bide your time until deadline necessitates/excuses action.

[Persivul]

I didn’t make you do anything, I was only the second vote

That's bullshit. Your vote was the second post after the VC. You knew it was L-1, didn't announce it, and now deny prompting the claim.

VOTE: B7: Irrelephant
VOTE: C14: Elsa

p-edit: you realized your mistake and are now trying to save face.

Happy New Year everyone!

I don't completely buy the "p-edited so I knew it wasn't the hammer".

Why not?

The p-edit shows I was aware of the post. The post contained an unvote which I indirectly referenced in saying he was trying to save face. How in the world could you conclude that I thought I was hammering there?

265 Did you go back in your post and place a vote just because

Irrelephant

unvoted?

Yes. I initially had an FOS there. I use them sometimes, as in 117.

Otherwise, you intentionally tried to hammer

Elsa

in C14, or you're voting

Irrelephant

in B7 for the same mistake you made by misreading VC.

I don't like either option.

I don't like that you're accusing me of intentionally trying to hammer someone when the vote post itself shows that I was aware of the unvote. You're (collective you, you're not alone) not considering motivation. The p-edit proves I knew it wasn't hammer. If I were scum trying to sneak in a quick hammer, upon noticing the unvote, I would have completely removed the vote. As town wanting to keep pressure up, I changed the FOS to a vote. Do you realize that we don't have much time left? Do you think your lone vote in 1 game and no vote in another are helping town?

I also don't get the auto-vote on

Elsa

in C14 here.

You're casting shade in saying "auto" here and later. Why do you term it that way? Not everyone wall posts you know.

You note in your recent posts that they're scummy, 262 but prior to your VLA you had a slight townread on him. 48

What changed there?

72 - casts shade at me and pine for having the nerve to vote someone to L-2. I mean WTF, in a 7p that's two votes.
74 - dodges my reasonable question
79 - casts shade at irrel for being gone for a whopping 20 hours
Page 10 - I think pine's wrong that the doc claim is fake (real doc would simply CC in this setup), but I don't see the scum motivation for it, and I think Elsa's charge that he's planning on a D2 CC is ridiculous. Elsa notes correctly in 243 that "If you don't cc day 1 now you will not be believed tommorow," but then continues to scare monger in the next post: "

Nobody shades a PR that much.

Like i said, he's getting ready to CC it day 2. Don't let him do that." Look at the bolded. We're playing two games. A person can be PR in one and scum in the other. Elsa is trying to ride the doc claim in BOTH games.

So...why do you town read Elsa?

And why is

Irrelephant

auto-scum for misreading a VC? You also disregard his post as

"he's covering up as scum" IN

the p-edit. Both of these votes feel forced and arguably opportunistic.

Again, why do you characterize it as "auto"? I FOS'd Irrel back in 117, yet you're acting as if I made a snap change in read here.

Also, judging by your votes, I'm guessing you think

Pine

isn't scum by your questioning in 266?

They town read me but not in a buddying way, and their read on Elsa aligns with mine. So, no, I don't scum read them.

[Persivul]

C14 vote: Maki

@everyone we have less than a day

Are you sheeping Taly, or do you have separate reasons?

[Persivul]

My life is flashing before my eyes in c14. I know assassins are also coming for me in B7. Someone save me.

Previously you were expecting to be alive tomorrow in B7 and facing a D2 CC. What changed?

[Persivul]

Votecount 1.8

C14

Elsa Jay

(3): xyzzy, Pine, Persivul

Persivul

(2): Irrelephant11, Elsa Jay

Maki Harukawa

(1): Taly

No Lynch

(1): Maki Harukawa

Not Voting

(0):

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to achieve majority.

--

B7

Irrelephant11

(2): Persivul, xyzzy

xyzzy

(2): Maki Harukawa, Irrelephant11

Pine

(1): Elsa Jay

Not Voting

(2): Pine, Taly

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to achieve majority.

Deadline in (expired on 2019-01-04 17:37:00)

300 Irrel votes Maki in C14
308 Taly votes Pine in B7

C14

Elsa Jay

(3): xyzzy, Pine, Persivul

Persivul

(1): Elsa Jay

Maki Harukawa

(2): Taly, Irrelephant11

No Lynch

(1): Maki Harukawa

Not Voting

(0):

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to achieve majority.

--

B7

Irrelephant11

(2): Persivul, xyzzy

xyzzy

(2): Maki Harukawa, Irrelephant11

Pine

(2): Elsa Jay, Taly

Not Voting

(1): Pine

[Persivul]

If I have to move in B7, it will be to xyzzy. The airport posts feel like scum thinking

Oh shit, I need to produce some content, I'll put up a couple of wall posts and it will look townie

. Seems more for appearance than to genuinely move the game forward. I'm not feeling good about being alone with him on Irrel.

[Persivul]

Pers I really think xyz is scum but wanna tell me why you think it's ire?
I'm not voting pine though

Reasoning on Irrel is in my ISO. I agree on Pine.

[Persivul]

Actually you should L-1 xyzzy now to allow time for a claim. I'm intent. An hour isn't much to work with if there's a claim.

[Persivul]

@Taly: I don't want to stick you with two hammers, but xyzzy was online recently and this needs to be addressed.

VOTE: B7: xyzzy

L-1

[Persivul]

VOTE: B7 Xyzzy

We're not letting them claim cop to do something horrible later on.

WTF, what if they're actual cop and you didn't give them time to claim?

Were you just waiting around for the L-1 so you could pounce?

[Persivul]

As for not letting xyzzy claim... Well, with so little deadline time, I'm not taking the chance of them actually being cop, however small, into account.

WTF again. Taly made it clear he'd be here in the last hour before deadline. Time is no excuse.

[Persivul]

pers

, be very direct and honest

do you think

maki

is scum? do you think i am tunneling - or if my vote is unjustified?

A direct and honest answer to that isn't a good idea rn. Read between the lines...

[Persivul]

Taly, maki, anyone? Hammer Elsa in C14. This is ridiculous.

p-edit: thank you!

[Persivul]

--- addressing B7 ---

... Holy shit, I actually healed Maki in B7. So either both scum teams went for Maki, or the B7 scum decided not to kill.

What a wonderful birthday present.

Nice pick. That conftowns Maki for practical purposes. B7 seems solved, but I'll wait and see if there's a result before going into it.

--- addressing C14 ---

Can someone tell me why you decided to hammer me instead of allowing a No Lynch?

You were scummy.

[Persivul]

I feel like it’s pretty likely you saved Maki, Elsa

Probably.

Which means I think me/Elsa/Maki are the three double-towns, or there’s a double-scum and a fourth double-town out there... hm
I would not be super surprised if xyzzy was doublescum, given his strong focus on mechanics and presence on Elsa’s wagon

Maybe it would have been better to let them play a bit and see if there's a noticeable difference to D1, rather than putting them on the defensive immediately...

I need to remind myself what’s going on here, the two games thing was hard enough to keep track of before that long night phase

We never got into the one game at a time mode yesterday, but today I think we should be able to get to a B7 consensus fairly early, and then we'll be able to focus on C14, which is in lylo.

p-edit: great minds and that

[Persivul]

Pedit: well my scummy nature was explained by me being a doctor. Going into C14 with 6 people seemed more safe then the LyLo it's in now.

Frankly I like being in lylo with you flipped town better than being in mylo with you still a question mark.

[Persivul]

Believe me, that was noticed.

[Persivul]

"Not ruling it out", he says. Probably to give himself an out later?

If I wasn't a ghost in C14 you sure as heck know where I'd vote.

Yeah, but you're pretty omgussy.

I agree that in isolation taly's progression from 286 to your lynch is sus.

BUT...note that the town/town read in 286 was based on: your claim in B7; and, the wagon on you in C14. He wasn't expressing a town read on you based on your actual content. The "based on his overall posting, I'm not ruling out Doc/Scum" is in accord with earlier posts like 135, where you were his only full red read.

So, while what you're referring to did raise my eyebrows yesterday, looking at it in full context it doesn't seem unreasonable.

[Persivul]

Ah fuck, why did I claim. It felt right in the moment, but I just exposed myself for no new info. Shit, being sick makes me dumb.

Claiming was correct. I was all hyped up to push you otherwise.

[Persivul]

Don't worry Pine, that just confirms everything we need.

The elephant is townread, and I like Pers more, so... This may confirm him as town in C14 as well if he's scum here.

VOTE: B7 Taly

We don't even lose if we get this wrong, Pine. We only lose if we no lynch at this point.

Agree. A 2 player scum team is highly unlikely to bus D1, so that left Pine or Taly. I thought it was Pine, but if there's no CC to his claim, that means Taly.

[Persivul]

VOTE: B7 Pine

Bold strategy, cotton!

People who have posted since Pine's cop claim in 359:
Elsa
Persivul
Irrelephant
Taly

So, we should be waiting for Maki to see if she CCs Pine.

[Persivul]

For C14, we're in 3:2 lylo. We should consider whether PRs should claim even if they got innos. With two PRs and no CCs, that narrows us down to a lynch pool of 3, 2 of whom are scum.

[Persivul]

if the next post isnt a vote in B7 im going to consider going on VLA for longer than the 3 days i plan take off once my next college semester starts...

...which begins tomorrow -_-

You're not interested to see if Maki CCs Pine because...?

[Persivul]

Pers, we win no matter what with Pine, me, and Maki confirmed. Taly is literally saying "just get on with it".

He knows he lost in B7. Just keep on trucking.

It's 5:1, 3 confirmed, 3 unknown (and not really until we hear from maki).
We lynch and miss. 4:1, 3 confirmed, 2 unknown.
NK (probably cop). 3:1 mylo, 2 confirmed, 2 unknown.
- If we lynch, we have to choose between 2 unknown. If we miss, we lose.
- If we no lynch, NK (probably doc) puts us in 2:1 lylo with only one confirmed.

Yeah, Taly seems to have scum claimed, but I disagree that we win no matter what.

[Persivul]

To answer that worry then, Pers... Are you the scum in B7?

If the answer is "no", then it is a garunteed, because our macho cop is checking either you or elephant and getting killed since that's what the scum would have to do. Then you me and Maki hang Ele.

That won't come to it though since we end it with Taly now.

That makes sense, but I still want to hear from Maki first.

[Persivul]

anyone who thinks im scum in C14 should exit out of this thread, scroll to the queue subforum, and sign-up for the newbie queue and REFUSE an IC/SE position for your next 5 games there

Today you're a completely different person than yesterday.

[Persivul]

!!!
*inno on Pine!

This seemed obvscum at first glance, but thinking about it:
- scum are more likely to screw up, since they're making up things, as opposed to town who are just relaying info from a PM. But, town are people and make honest mistakes - I've done it.
- But, good scum, having made such a mistake, would probably just leave it alone and forego the correction. Bad scum would panic and make the correction without thinking. Town would make the correction, as they want accurate info out there.
- So, this by itself seems indicative of bad scum or town, BUT...

Lol inb4 scum picks me to cc

This reeks of scum making a gambit and KNOWING that they're going to get CC'd, so proactively casting shade on the eventual CC.

When I'm town and claim, I generally don't expect scum to make a fake CC to set up a 1v1 with me.

If this gets CC'd, Irrel is like 90% scum.

[Persivul]

But I doubt Pine and I will be the only two investigative claims
I dare scum to 1v1 me, last time I was in 5p lylo I had to figure out the 1v1 and was jealous of the townie in the 1v1 the whole tome

Wow, this is like the telltale heart.

[Persivul]

On second thought, Irrelephant is absolutely ballsy enough to pre-emptively claim Cop. We're in 3:2 LYLO, so he has nothing to lose. Balls, there goes that POE.

In your experience, is he ballsy GOOD scum, or ballsy BAD scum?

[Persivul]

okay now that that's over Taly claimed C14 cop in our B7 PT so there is 100% scum in {irrelephant, Taly} and I got the vibe from that PT that he was telling the truth

Will wait for Taly to confirm, but I see no scum motivation to fakeclaim in the PT.

[Persivul]

If Taly has also claimed cop in the scum pt then I bet scum is mafia and not werewolves is all that that means?

There's no C14 scum motivation for Taly to claim C14 cop in the B7 mafia PT. The claim would likely be countered by claim or flip at some point, and unless xyzzy had been killed in both games, they'd expose it. (Exception: if Taly and xyzzy are both scum/scum this analysis doesn't apply, but that's pretty unlikely).

Unfortunately, this logic also applies to your claim. But, other factors are making you much scummier than Taly.

FOS: Irrel

[Persivul]

What are these “other factors?”

1. Factors that had me scum reading you D1, although TBH as the day went by that was waning.

2. As noted, the foreshadowing of a CC that you gave today.

3. Taly's play today as scum was completely different from his play yesterday, which makes me wonder if he could have played so well yesterday if he were scum/scum. Seems like he must have had one town game going.

4. A personal tell from experience which I'm holding onto for a calendar day or two.

Before I say much more though I want to do a meta dive on scum games from both of you, particularly checking Pine's claim that a proactive fakeclaim is something you'd do as scum.

[Persivul]

Wait, wait... Wait.

Pine - Seer
Elephant - Cop
Taky - Cop

What the fuck there's 3 claims. Holy fuck scum went all in.

No shit, Sherlock. What thread have you been reading?

[Persivul]

I confused Taly and Pine together, bro. Why did you think I did that? I'm basically a spectator at this point.

Sorry, I thought you were serious in 18. I'll consider you a spectator rather than an invaluable advisor now. Thanks for the clarification.

[Persivul]

Also, I haven't claimed shit so if anyone says I have at all then they're lying through their teeth.

Dramatic turn of events!

FOS: xyzzy

[Persivul]

1) Why did you claim an investigative in C14, unprovoked? Nobody was even talking about C14.

That's absolute bullshit. In the immediately preceding post, I talked about C14, and I gave the pros for PRs to claim.

[Persivul]

Yes, regardless of his position on mass claiming, at this point enough cats are out of the bag that we need a clear claim from him.

[Persivul]

I'm kind of feeling Taly actually.
VOTE: Pine

[Persivul]

UNVOTE:

hold up, explain

Pers

You were the towniest player yesterday, and the most thorough in anlysis. I find it unbelievable that you were scum in both games, yet played like that yesterday. If you're sure enough of Pine to put him within scum's reach, I agree.

[Persivul]

Should I claim or not? The only reason I'm finally debating on this is because

(xyzzy, Pine, Pers)

can't all numerically be scum.

Of course you should claim. I take it you're not as sure on Pine as you pretended?

[Persivul]

I need both Ire/Pers to tell me to hammer, and/or not claim here.

Actually it's not a hammer. Check my vote - it's not valid. I wanted to see your reaction. Frankly your immediate unvote unnerved me. You could be scum, putting a vote up on Pine to later claim he must be scum since he wasn't hammered. So, I need to know - where do you really stand on Pine? If you're ready to lynch him, vote him and I'll decide whether to hammer. If you're not ready to lynch after putting him in jeopardy for hours - you need to explain that.

P-edit: OK, you're sure. In that case:
VOTE: C14: Pine

[Persivul]

I'm kind of feeling Taly actually.
VOTE: Pine

UNVOTE:

hold up, explain

Pers

Wow, did that timing fuck with my head! I thought for sure we, or at least I, was cooked. Only later did I realize I hadn't cast a valid vote and had that to fall back on.

[Persivul]

You get mislynched because your focus is all on yourself.

[Persivul]

Nobody took my Maki C14 case seriously.

I thought Maki was a PR in at least one game. A lot of times town PRs appear to be scum because they're trying to fly under the radar.

[Persivul]

This game proves I'm not very good with mafia as either alignment. XD

TBF B7 was really on xyzzy.

[Persivul]

I’m good with scum pt release

Yeah that's fine.

You'll see that we had a signal plan for the quick lynch, but Taly busted in on it. My heart was pounding for awhile there.

[Persivul]

Also, Irrel had mentioned the possibility of fakeclaiming, but we never really discussed it. He really took me by surprise, and at first I thought he had really screwed up, but he pulled it off. He's a good scum partner.

[Persivul]

My confbias weakness kicked in and I was like

"why does it matter to wait for

pers

if i cant literally see

xyzzy/Pine

as town"

Uh...how in the world did you continue to town read Irrel when he claimed to have your role in an open setup?

[Persivul]

He thought I “read between the lines” like he told me to. I knew he was cop, so my claim looked to him like a deer trying to swap claims so when we hit scum they’d nightkill the wrong PR. I played up that he had figured out the puzzle and that your willingness to vote Pine was conftowned you

Wow, interesting.

I'm pretty old school and try to keep it simple. With our standing in the game I thought we could win without claims. Still do. But this was faster!

[Persivul]

Crumbing Seer.

While counterclaiming your own role.

Come on, Taly. It was right in front of you.

Yeah. I think it's site meta overall. People are getting away from the basics and trying to be all tricksy all the time. It's basic blocking and tackling that wins games, not the occasional trick play.

[Persivul]

I gotta say, Persivul, for all that you kinda rub me the wrong way, I respect the shit out of your game.

Thank you!