Micro 839: Two-in-One (its over)

[Elsa Jay]

That's weird... But hey, it's an ice breaker topic thing.

I believe we should lynch 2 separate people for each game instead of double vote for the same person. Who here agrees or disagrees?

[Elsa Jay]

That defeats the purpose of someone being able to talk in the thread even if they're dead in one game.

And no, voting me in 1 game doesn't help the situation.

VOTE: B7 Irrelephant

[Elsa Jay]

Because you implied I'd be happy only dying in 1 game. Both games are separate and dying in either hurts that game. I don't want that, and throwing shade at me not liking your idea is a weird opening move.

[Elsa Jay]

There's no scum motivation, it's a townie in both games going "holy crap why lose a townie in 2 games when we're in a 7p".

[Elsa Jay]

A confirmed townie being able to offer input in a game they are dead in is invaluable even if they cant vote, fuzzy. Why get rid of the unique mechanic like that?

[Elsa Jay]

Okay. Let's use your idea and see what happens at L-1 in both games.

Person at L-1: I claim Seer/Cop/Macho Cop/Doctor in Carbon 14/Bird 7p.

What the fuck do you do then? Or, even better, they're the PR in 1 game but scum in the other?

You just screwed one of the games over big time.

[Elsa Jay]

You're missing the point. Even if you hang scum in 1 game, their input in the other is probably that of a townies. You tell me the odds of someone rolling 2/7 scum in both games.

You dont get rid of the mechanic just because it makes the game harder. We lynch separately and decide if we see any connections between people. We have 2 separate scum teams, after all.

Hell, if we leave the flipped scum alive in the other game that they're townie in, they could slip and reveal their partner by mixing up the games.

I cant decide the night whatever the scum do, but I want there to still be 7 of us tommorow discussing this shit.

[Elsa Jay]

That's what day 1 discussion is for. Holy jeebus it's not that hard of a concept to grasp.

[Elsa Jay]

If you think pine/xyzzy are a pair but you lynch them in 1 game and they flip townie, then you seem to have found the 2 man scum team in the other game. Congratulations. That's what lynches do. Confirm information.

[Elsa Jay]

I'll deal with that later, but good to know.

I'll come back later and see if the other 3 appear, and hopefully before I go to sleep.

[Elsa Jay]

Considering he jumped onto you immediately, they're still in the Random voting stage of their own doing. Leave her for now.

[Elsa Jay]

Considering he jumped onto you immediately, they're still in the Random voting stage of their own doing. Leave her for now.

That is my opinion on Xyzzy. I thought that was clear?

Who did you think I mean't?

[Elsa Jay]

VOTE: C14 Maki Harukawa
VOTE: B7 Maki Harukawa

please join my wagons

BEHOLD IT IS I, PINE, IN MY FIRST GAME IN LIKE SIX MONTHS

So hey y'all. I'm doing a new thing this game. I'm a VT/VT. Discuss.

I don't think an actual VT/VT would claim this early

VOTE: C14 Pine
VOTE: B7 Pine

I didn't think you wanted me to relate xyzzy to you in any way, just my opinion on them. Seeing them change their vote on a whim like this means I'd rather leave them for later since I believe this is their RVS votes. It is Still page 2, after all.

[Elsa Jay]

Elsa and Irrelephant current interactions give me "eh" vibes.

I'd say meh vibes for Irrelephant.

For Elsa, it read townie - natural and well-reasoned. That surprised me, because last game we played, almost every post he made pinged me, and he made blatant setup errors. I was expecting more of the same here.

OTOH, he flipped town in that last game. And I should note that I replaced in like 80 pages into that one.

I dont remember which game in particular you mean, but if it helps for Taly, I was originally known as JaythedragonKing before I left in April and came back in September now as this account. This is the new Main, btw.

I have a faulty memory sometime, but it's easier to remember in a micro. So I'm focusing on what I have in front of me now.

Too Taly's question on my voting him back in Bird 7p, we might as well focus on 1 game, right? Switching between talking about Bird and Carbon will be distracting.

For the next 3-5. Irl days, I'm going to mainly focus on voting in Bird 7p.

If I ignored a question, I picked the ones that caught my attention the most just now.

[Elsa Jay]

Atleast it seems my "1 game at a time" idea worked out. Funally enough, we get 2 weeks total, so the first week is with the ever so slightly more complicated Bird 7p. We'll have next week to lynch in Carbon.

[Elsa Jay]

Tfw you mention the idea of focusing on 1 game but Maki comes in and sweeps up the credit.

[Elsa Jay]

Pine, how do you feel about xyzzy and persival putting you at L-2 in both games at once for you claiming early?

Who is more scummy? For consistancy, we're focused on Bird right now, not Carbon.

[Elsa Jay]

Pine, how do you feel about xyzzy and persival putting you at L-2 in both games at once for you claiming early?

How do

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feel about it?

Ahh, the old "I know you are but what am I?" Trick. Amazing skillset to have.

[Elsa Jay]

Clearly I still have my vote on irrelephant and my opinion about xyzzy was answered. The main thing I wanted was their opinion on you, and now I got that answer.

[Elsa Jay]

Maki is a like minded individual. Much sense, she has.

The elephant has unexpectly disappeared. Wherever could he be?

[Elsa Jay]

It's also funny.

[Elsa Jay]

19 hours to a bored Elsa is an eternity, and you were gone for 19 hours.

[Elsa Jay]

I dont remember you either, if that helps, Taly.

Meta isn't really something that works effectively on me since I change it based on my mood, the players, the setup, and the gamestate. Pick any of my 2 games and see if you see similarities.

[Elsa Jay]

Of course I acknowledge some things and ignore other things. I pick the things that interest me. It's what I do.

When someone interacts with me, I'm more likely to notice their disappearance in game. Who elsa disappeared that you wanted me to notice?

[Elsa Jay]

also pers, i wanna know what game about elsa you meant originally (and your reads there and here) if you are able to discuss it

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I came in on page 93. Elsa was a town Ninja Lawyer. The main thing that bugged me about him was that he had claimed without need, on the grounds that he was basically a miller. Ninja Lawyer was useless for town, but it is in no way a miller. He made a couple other setup errors as well. Worst of all, he self-hammered as town with no reason that that would benefit town. I reported him for playing against wincon, but I guess they didn't do anything.

So:
- I just don't like playing with the guy.
- He seems to be playing a better (i.e. different) game here, which makes me consider that he might be more careful in his thoughts as scum
- BUT, in these setups we don't have the luxury of PLs, so I have to be careful my read is influenced as little as possible by the first point.

Tfw you get reported and don't even know anything about it.

Kokichi said he'd hammer me that game anyway. The game was going nowhere for another hour before he lynched me anyway. I just sped it up.

[Elsa Jay]

I thought I was doing a decent job in causing uncessacary conflict to draw out scum by being ignorant and seeing who would gun for me.

Can I have some townread now?

[Elsa Jay]

*Agrees to vote Bird first*

*votes me in both Carbon and Bird*

*cheeky Bastard, he is*

[Elsa Jay]

So the idea of giving 7 days to each game during the holiday season was a pipedream. Sigh.

[Elsa Jay]

Because teasing my friends entertains me.

Cool story. However, given that we've never (to my recollection and your user profile) played a game together or significantly interacted before, I don't buy it.

I'm Maria you dingbat <3

Fake news. I'm actually Maria.

[Elsa Jay]

We Maria's got to stick together, right?

VOTE: B7 Xyzzy

[Elsa Jay]

Honestly this was expected for Holiday times. Thanks for understanding, Mod.

[Elsa Jay]

Pine tell me what I'm doing wrong here. Why is xyzzy voting me?

[Elsa Jay]

Because you’re scummy bro. Asking what you’re doing wrong is another example of it - scum is self-concerned and anxious. Town just IS.

I'm asking so you'd give an actual reason why I'm scummy. You just replied "you just are bro.". That doesnt help me. Doesn't help thr game either.

[Elsa Jay]

My agenda this game is to make sure I win both games for town. If I must focus on Bird, my goal is to be sure we don't out the cop and doctor, so that tommorow we can have 3 people cleared and auto-win it with a cleared vt, doctor, and macho cop.

I like bird more for the simple fact we get a huge safety net in comparison, so yeah, my agenda is pretty dang clear.

[Elsa Jay]

Got the Christmas poke, so I'll answer anything posted when I wake up tommorow. Gotta go to bed now.

[Elsa Jay]

Elsa Jay, is 158 about me? you use he/him pronouns to the person you're referring to but you seem to be referring to my vote? anyway I am voting you because, as I said, I think there's definitely at least one game where you're scum. also, I never agreed to doing one game first.

Since you use they I've been switching between male and female pronouns. Gives me something entertaining to do.

The game of mafia is about trying to have the majority agree on a viable strategy for success. Clearly if most agree with 1 way the rest have to suck it up and do it that way.

You also are misreading me still, because I just want us to have the safety net. People are still misreading my urge to have more people around day 2 as well for some reason.

[Elsa Jay]

She'll be fine as long as i dont conform to one thing. He's probably dealt with worse.

[Elsa Jay]

Elsa can you talk more about why you want more people around D2?
For example, what’s the difference in your mind between lynching Player A who flips scum and Player B who flips vt as compared to double-lynching Player C who flips both scum and vt?

I want to take advantage of the setup and the unique mechanic. I want it it be realized that if we lynch someone and they do flip VT/scum, we still just put 1 game at an amazing advantage while we put the other in an uncomfortable LyLo situation, which I'm trying to prevent an easy town win at the cost of the other game.

If we lynch the scummy person now in 1 game, we DON'T flip them in the other for the simple reason being that if they flipped town in the 1 game we know that it's incredibly likely for them to be scum in the other and be able to lynch them day 2 in the other one so as to prevent a day 2 victory. And if they flip scum, well atleast we got them killed in that game.

Hanging 2 separately scummy players is more optimal then you think when we can compare notes between the results in day 2, an ability we lose if we go for the old fashioned single lynch idea.

[Elsa Jay]

-ship snip-

@Elsa

Do you agree with a No Lynch in C14,

Elsa

? As I assume

Maki

would like, judging by her vote?

Also, why haven't you made any commentary on my read/posts toward you?

-ship-

Of either game to get a No Lynch, Carbon is literally out of the question. It only has the seer around to save them. That one needs a lynch no matter what. Both of them do, but Carbon in particular.

[Elsa Jay]

Welp I burned that bridge mighty fast. Alexa play Megalovania.

[Elsa Jay]

Re: the interaction with Maki, it was invalidated when she identified herself.

Pine, can you tell me why that, just because Maki is not who you thought they were, you're changing to a meta-read on the slot? What about the actions she already did? Do you townread her for those actions, or is it really only retroactive since you know they are Maria now?

[Elsa Jay]

Spoiler: For non-game related apologies

For the gamesake I will apologize to xyzzy and hope xyzzy forgives me at a later time. Wanted to build up on a joke to use "comical third option" as a way to transition back to they but then this happened. It clearly was in poor tastes and won't happen again.

I am sorry.

Still feels weird of you to throw away everything of the read you had though, Pine. A first impression always gives you a gut feeling about their character.

[Elsa Jay]

Pretty sure the best lynch is Elsa here

Pretty sure you should put your eggs in 1 basket and provide a case so we can all judge you firmly for this claim.

[Elsa Jay]

I wanted to focus on Bird but we're reaching the deadline faster then anticipated, due to holidays or lazyness if up to debate.

I'll be here more tommorow and I hope the 7 of us can get a discussion going.

[Elsa Jay]

Kindly fuck off the doctor k thx bye.

[Elsa Jay]

I’ve regretted not following my gut D1 in my past few games

double vote: elsa jay

Let's follow the gut of the doctor instead. I'll compromise and use your strategy to get you out of this game and Think about what you've done. Also not noticing why I focused on Bird first. Jeez.

VOTE: B7 Irrelephant
C14 Irrelephant

[Elsa Jay]

One more time so whoever reads and decides to hammer me literally has no excuse to not see it.

I'm off to work, and since the elephant has sacrificed his right to be seen in a reasonable light, we hang him now. If we go with MY plan, we only hang him in B7 for being a dumbo and revealing the doctor.

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[Elsa Jay]

See, the problem is that my PR style requires I be petty and kill you for making me reveal now. This is why I didn't want to reveal day 1. I'm fine with dying now, but I wanted to help the cop tommorow.

As for Claiming, I'm not getting lolhammered without claiming so scum have an excuse. The bird game had me as a safety net anyway.

[Elsa Jay]

7 people here means 4 to hammer. You put me at 3 on Bird. So yes, you did do that, not put me at 2 votes there.

[Elsa Jay]

It doesn't matter if the cop is macho. I wanted to help them tommorow. What the hell does that have to do with anything?

My agenda this game is to make sure I win both games for town. If I must focus on Bird, my goal is to be sure we don't out the cop and doctor, so that tommorow we can have 3 people cleared and auto-win it with a cleared vt, doctor, and macho cop.

What part of this wasn't the hint to you I was trying to help the PRs in Bird survive tommorow? Why are you throwing shade at my claim? Because you want to CC it tommorow? Fucking CC now then. I'm not letting a fake Doc come into the game in LyLo while trying to fuck over town.

Pine: I've seen people throw shade at a slot to cc it in a lynch or lose situation. "Nobody CC yet" is your way of trying to claim it tommorow. Duel me now for the claim. Get me lynched. Die tommorow for killing the doctor. If you don't cc day 1 now you will not be believed tommorow.

[Elsa Jay]

As a sidenote, xyzzy, Elephant, and now Pine have me at L-1 in Carbon.

This is another heads up to everyone that it's a horrible idea to lynch me today.

Currently think Pine is garunteed to flip scum in B7. Nobody shades a PR that much. Like i said, he's getting ready to CC it day 2. Don't let him do that.

VOTE: B7 Pine

[Elsa Jay]

Pers wtf. Why me back at L-1 in Carbon. Don't you get it?

Im the doctor in B7. Of course I'm dying tonight in Bird. Now, why wouldnt Carbon scum ALSO shoot me as well at that point? They clearly won't want me around to be able to talk. They'll be better without another voice day 2.

Garuntee I get shot in both games tonight. Don't waste the Carbon lynch on me. Make the scum in Carbon actually have to shoot me as well to get rid of me completely day 2. If I'm alive day 2 in Carbon lynch me then.

[Elsa Jay]

For all intents and purposes, I think Pers just tried to hammer me in Carbon but Ele unvoted.

Pers, I know Doctor - Scum is a possibility, but what makes you think it's the case? Why vote me in Carbon?

[Elsa Jay]

VOTE: C14 Persival

Persival and Pine literally jumped for me at around the same time. I've been a weak player this game so far, but they tried to finish it too early. They may or may not be scum together, but the both DEFINITELY have a good scum flip equity.

Pedit: I changed my vote to Pine in B7, Ele.

[Elsa Jay]

That's the point: if I'm alive and he's alive, scum may be able to get away with having him CC me tommorow with how much shade he just threw on me. I've never been a strong PR, I'll admit that. But I'm trying here.

So yeah, I'm not letting him get away with possibly claiming doctor tommorow just to WIFOM the kill and say I'm the scum claiming doctor for a CC. He point blank mentioned possibly even voting me anyway. On an un'CC'd doctor

[Elsa Jay]

I’m kinda thinking the Doctor claim is fake, meant to draw the real Doc into CC’ing. No counters, please.

Then why does this post and his next set up suspicoun for him to do that very thing?

[Elsa Jay]

A quickhammer is fun when it's not being used on me.

I’m kinda thinking the Doctor claim is fake, meant to draw the real Doc into CC’ing. No counters, please.

Then why does this post and his next set up suspicoun for him to do that very thing?

Because he's scum, or needs a remedial Mafia 101 class. Which do you think it is?

Well obviously the former.

[Elsa Jay]

Well then the hard shade at me makes even less sense unless you are scum here.

[Elsa Jay]

That feels like it's actually a comment. I'm not sure though.

[Elsa Jay]

As a Maria, I feel like I can tell what's on your mind. You feel... Indifferent to C14, don't you? Creeped out by it, even.

You have a psychological fear of the number 14. It's why you became the Mini Theme Queue Moderator. Because you couldn't stand the possibility of 14 being availible in your queue, so you capped off at 13 instead.

[Elsa Jay]

My life is flashing before my eyes in c14. I know assassins are also coming for me in B7. Someone save me.

[Elsa Jay]

VOTE: B7 Xyzzy

We're not letting them claim cop to do something horrible later on.

As for C14, I admit when I'm a PR I get scummier and scummier, but all of my actions this game, including this hammer, is because I'm a PR. Not because I'm scum in C14.

[Elsa Jay]

I thought I explained it better on the Pers/pine thing. I said I thought they were scum together, not separate. I suggested hanging one in each game to know which one they were a team in. None of you think so, and I havent been the best this game.

As for not letting xyzzy claim... Well, with so little deadline time, I'm not taking the chance of them actually being cop, however small, into account.

[Elsa Jay]

--- addressing B7 ---

... Holy shit, I actually healed Maki in B7. So either both scum teams went for Maki, or the B7 scum decided not to kill.

What a wonderful birthday present.

--- addressing C14 ---

Can someone tell me why you decided to hammer me instead of allowing a No Lynch? Seems horrible in retrospective.

[Elsa Jay]

Well honestly B7 is already solved as long as the macho cop didn't check me. We got 3 townclears already, 4 if you count Maki.

You should focus most of your effort on C14 today, but we might as well start finishing up B7.

Pedit: well my scummy nature was explained by me being a doctor. Going into C14 with 6 people seemed more safe then the LyLo it's in now.

[Elsa Jay]

My beef ain't with you on that front, Pers. You didn't hammer me OR make a detailed case that literally said I was probably Town/Town.

That honor goes to Taly.

Just search his ISO and look for the colored letters. You'll see what I mean.

[Elsa Jay]

Elsa
Claimed Doc in B7. Quick L-1'd in C14 suggests he's town, though based on his overall posting, I'm not ruling out Doc/Scum.
B7 IC/C14 Unconfident Townread

"Not ruling it out", he says. Probably to give himself an out later?

If I wasn't a ghost in C14 you sure as heck know where I'd vote.

[Elsa Jay]

Just pointing it out. Anyway, let's get B7 out of the way in the first few days then we'll focus on that play as well as why scum killed Maki in C14.

Though that does make me question if the scum/scum is alive and wanted Maki dead in both games to not speak today.

Anyway, if the Macho Cop would claim who they checked, we basically win no matter what in B7. So whenever they get in thread, we're good.

[Elsa Jay]

Don't worry Pine, that just confirms everything we need.

The elephant is townread, and I like Pers more, so... This may confirm him as town in C14 as well if he's scum here.

VOTE: B7 Taly

We don't even lose if we get this wrong, Pine. We only lose if we no lynch at this point.

[Elsa Jay]

Well unless you think it could be the elephant, all other options are cleared, Pers. Even then, we got day 3 for that.

Taly, even if your town, we're garunteed the win in B7, so your fine. If your scum, you realize even if you make it to day 4 you lose. Self-voting is the optimal play either way.

Everyone on B7 Taly. Well, except Xyzzy obviously. But I want B7 done so Xyzzy doesnt worry about selling out their B7 partner and can play to the town wincon in C14.

[Elsa Jay]

Personally no matter the result, the cop/Seer or C14 has some stuff to do. Hiding in LyLo isnt the best option.

If I may voice something: I do think Scum/Scum is unlikely based on how interractions have been held. At the very least, it's very unlikely to me.

Again, let's finish up B7 first before dealing with C14. Xyzzy is probably waiting to speak in C14 so they don't accidentily sell out their partner in B7. Also yes, I'm legitimately townreading Xyzzy more after the Scum flip.

Pedit: ... Would Pine really claim cop as scum in a 1 v 5, Taly?

[Elsa Jay]

... Well, at the very least, would you be able to explain how he'd get out of this being CC'd by the real Cop? Lord knows he would be CC'd and taken out soon enough.

[Elsa Jay]

Pers, we win no matter what with Pine, me, and Maki confirmed. Taly is literally saying "just get on with it".

He knows he lost in B7. Just keep on trucking.

[Elsa Jay]

To answer that worry then, Pers... Are you the scum in B7?

If the answer is "no", then it is a garunteed, because our macho cop is checking either you or elephant and getting killed since that's what the scum would have to do. Then you me and Maki hang Ele.

That won't come to it though since we end it with Taly now.

[Elsa Jay]

Well it's up to Pers or Maki to end B7 today, so that's neat.

In the bright side, Taly's coolness factor went up a few points. Lets kill him before it goes away.

[Elsa Jay]

Wait.

Mod: if B7 ends and we hung scum, does that mean those who are also dead leave the game since they aren't alive in C14?

[Elsa Jay]

I mainly meant it like "if we end B7 at THIS EXACT MOMENT" and not like after both lynches are settled. But that's good to know too.

[Elsa Jay]

I CC that cop claim.

[Elsa Jay]

On second thought, Irrelephant is absolutely ballsy enough to pre-emptively claim Cop. We're in 3:2 LYLO, so he has nothing to lose. Balls, there goes that POE.

Yeah, at this point there's no going back on that. The 2 people have claimed cop/Seer. This isn't the time to hide. This is it. The duel that determines the winner of C14.

But first, B7.

[Elsa Jay]

Ahh, there we go. Sweet release.

We now hild no responsibility, Maki. Congratulations.

[Elsa Jay]

Yeah, but what the heck do we do now? You and me are dead in C14...

Wanna use this as our impromptu dead thread?

[Elsa Jay]

Place your bets, who's gonna come out on top, town or scum?

This spectate thread is exciting.

[Elsa Jay]

Well now would be a wonderful time to try it in LyLo and to fuck over town. But hey, I'm not judging much.

Also, anybody here gonna address that Pine claimed Seer but Elephant claimed Cop?

Honestly if I was modding, to differentiate the games more, Id make C14 a game with werewolves and B7 the game with Mafia. So theoretically, Pine seems more likely to be telling the truth.

[Elsa Jay]

okay now that that's over Taly claimed C14 cop in our B7 PT so there is 100% scum in {irrelephant, Taly} and I got the vibe from that PT that he was telling the truth

Wait, wait... Wait.

Pine - Seer
Elephant - Cop
Taky - Cop

What the fuck there's 3 claims. Holy fuck scum went all in.

[Elsa Jay]

I confused Taly and Pine together, bro. Why did you think I did that? I'm basically a spectator at this point.

[Elsa Jay]

Elsa you can still win B7, you should help us figure this out

Umm. Did You not see xyzzy basically confirm what we thought? B7 is already won.

I confused Taly and Pine together, bro. Why did you think I did that? I'm basically a spectator at this point.

Sorry, I thought you were serious in 18. I'll consider you a spectator rather than an invaluable advisor now. Thanks for the clarification.

Hey, I can still advise. I'm just also meaning as well.

[Elsa Jay]

I don't think usual games would let dead scum spoil the ending.

Then again, this ain't a normal game.

[Elsa Jay]

Look at the setup again, Elsa. There’s supposed to be both a Cop and a Seer

... Oh. Your kidding. Holy fuck. I thought having a Doctor in B7 mean't it was the easier one but Appearantly they have the same thing. A cop/seer and basically IC.

ugh finally

i was 100% done with pretending ALL my C14 reads were in B7 in order to save my ass.

town won B7

You seem very happy for a dude who just lost a game.

[Elsa Jay]

Can ya atleast tell me why you shot at Maki in B7? That didn't really make much sense to me.

[Elsa Jay]

Guess You underestimated the fact both PRs would go for Maki for completely different reasons.

Still weird you didn't shoot me though.

[Elsa Jay]

What the hell just happened.

[Elsa Jay]

Honestly killing Maki in C14 got you that, since I guess she didn't feel the need to try in it being dead and all.

The fact I healed Maki basically won it in B7, but because of shenanigans C14 was lost.

Atleast I didn't lose the game as a PR. So there's that. And I think B7's townread carried over, even if unintentionally. The second game was always gonna be harder to win because people carried over their reads from the first. Another reason I made us focus on B7. Sorry C14. You dun got fucked.

[Elsa Jay]

Well Errant didn't lock the thread. That's probably a big ass sign.

[Elsa Jay]

Shout out to the Elephant and Persi for being the only double winners. I townread Elephant, Pers, and Xyzzy and thought they were the town in C14, lol.

Goes to show you doing C14 second screwed it over more. We put literally all of our time day 1 into B7.

[Elsa Jay]

Oh wait, shoot, Xyzzy and Taly are both double losers just liker Pers and Ele are double winners. So that means me, Maki, and Pine are the solo-winners.

I TOLD you that nobody was double scum. Wowo. You shoulf have trusted your partner, Taly.

[Elsa Jay]

C14 scum pt: "d1 couldnt have gone better"
B7 scum pt: "d1 couldnt have gone worse"

Both games snowballed in the opposite directions, lol. I DEFINITELY want to play another 2in1 game. Keep up the good work, Errant. Maybe have 9 players next time.

[Elsa Jay]

We probably should have spaced out the games more and given them both proper treatment in day 1. No focus on C14 let me get mislynched after we revealed I was the doctor and we completely all panicked.

I feel like this may have been reversed if ww had atarted with C14, but my job as a PR had overridden my ability to care for C14 and i went all out.

Honestly taly, as both a PR in C14 AND a scum in B7, your proper play was to shift focus onto C14. Me making us focus only on B7 was a death sentence to scum you and town you.

[Elsa Jay]

You get mislynched because your focus is all on yourself.

What can I say... I like being the center of attention. And it clearly worked out for you, mister double win.

[Elsa Jay]

I like deception as much as the next guy, but as town, your job in LyLo is to literally be as straightforward as possible. Why do you think I made sure nobody was allowed to CC me?

Town should have tried to see who was the last VT in C14 first. That probably would have worked out better.