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hey babes! been itchin for a reason to use my scythe-shotgun
get ready for unwarranted RWBY-centered GIFs this game"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
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Initial thoughts. { most of this post was typed up with the GIF intro, didn't want to stall }
Not too keen on doublelynching one person, especially D1. I'm not doing probability, but that's almost a guaranteed mislynch somewhere.
Plus, I doubt everyone is posting as one alignment or the same role, so each game has different dynamics and voting as one gives less context for the next game phase.
If we all voted to doublelynch one person, how would we navigate the interactions with each wagon? Anyone who believes doublelynching and doublevoting is helpful should make their case.
Otherwise, the "we don't know so just lynch for both" seems like an excuse from scumhunting and reading between dialogue and discussion."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage-
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ElsaandIrrelephantcurrent interactions give me "eh" vibes.
How someone thinks they should vote here is not 100% AI.
The votes and responses like:
Irrelephant: "teach me like im dub" |||||||| "duh - 'insert subjective idea we should all know here' "
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Elsa: "why are you throwing shade at me?" |||||||| "votes back for the same game"
feels a bit forced.
Irrelephant, you seem confident on how a scum and/or town mindset would think in this situation...
Elsa, what do you think aboutxyzzy'svoting?"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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Town pings.In post 27, Pine wrote:BEHOLD IT IS I, PINE, IN MY FIRST GAME IN LIKE SIX MONTHS
So hey y'all. I'm doing a new thing this game. I'm a VT/VT. Discuss.
How do you feel aboutElsaandIrrelephant?
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Still waiting for your thoughts onxyzzy."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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Irrelephant, becausexyzzyhasn't voted or mentioned me yet,Irrelephantmentioned me as a hypothetical scum for his point. You've only responded to one of them thus far, even though they both seem alright with double-voting.
I don't thinkxyzzy'svote in 30 was RVS?"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
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also, if bolding gets too much for you guys, then ill just bold once for each person per post"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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Yeah, I like the reasoning he gave, but then the same type of thing I felt odd aboutIn post 48, Persivul wrote:
I'd say meh vibes for Irrelephant.In post 35, Taly wrote:Elsa and Irrelephant current interactions give me "eh" vibes.
For Elsa, it read townie - natural and well-reasoned. That surprised me, because last game we played, almost every post he made pinged me, and he made blatant setup errors. I was expecting more of the same here.
OTOH, he flipped town in that last game. And I should note that I replaced in like 80 pages into that one.Irrelephantdoing, I saw inElsa'spost. (filtered banter, quick back and forth with an equally quick end)
I also was expectingElsato make more commentary on my thoughts toward him andIrrelephant, and I'm curious why he still sawxyzzy'spost in 30 as RVS in light of his back-and-forth withIrrelephant(Which I read as serious)
It's interesting that his posting here is different than his town game in the one you played (are you able to link?), do you think that could be meta-alignment indicative? I think I read somewhere thatElsawas an alt, and if it's of the person I'm thinking, I might have played with him before.
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Another question toIrrelephant
Why compromise your vote ontoElsawhen you are making a point that double-voting/double-lynching is valuable?
And why B-7? Or did you close your eyes and pick a game?
Elsa, why vote-backIrrelephantin B7 and not C-14?"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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I also like the ideaMakimentioned about different colors for different games.
Once people fully put forth themselves, organizing posts or parts of them under a game would help reduce miscommunication."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage-
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This post tells me that 30 wasn't RVSIn post 31, xyzzy wrote:(to clarify I think Pine is scum in one game and VT in one)
What scum-motivation have you seen inPine'sposts so far?
@Persivulspecifically 49
Do you think double-voting/double-lynching is a valid approach with the stated discussion so far?
And does D1 WIFOM = scum here?"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
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So why comment on people reading you and not your thoughts on them?In post 42, Pine wrote:Yeah, but...Townpings from me ought to be viewed with suspicion. Just sayin'."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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btw, just noticed im familiar with over half the playerlist in some form c:
minusirrelephantand maybeelsa, but he's replaced in on game(s) ive flaked before ;-;"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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lol this sounded much less bitchy in my headIn post 50, Taly wrote:Or did you close your eyes and pick a game?
ill stop with the post-dump for now ;-;"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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@xyzzy's 56
I agree uncountered claims should be a pass, especially since this is D1, and different topics/games/lynches going on at once would be easier to create dichotomies and division within town.
But still, having one voice next game phase is less useful if we look at two games at once and try to find the interconnections.
I do understand your thought process more now, though."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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Yeah, I was meaning your interaction withIn post 58, Irrelephant11 wrote: What that I’ve said makes you feel the bolded?
Unless you’re just referring to my reason to scumread Elsa’s entrance to the thread?Do you disagree that there could be scum motivation to lynching different people in each game?
I’ve tried to think about how someone would play as s/s, s/t, or t/t and i think FA’s suggestion is very fitting for s/tElsa.
And no, I do see potential scum motivation in lynching different people. But I also see town. (For reasons why I think double-lynching wasn't a good option in my opening posts) 34 I think someone's idea on"ideal play"here is NAI to some degree. Which was why I felt off about you/Elsa'sinteraction, as if it were a forced dichotomy.
But I feel better about your intentions now with this.In post 58, Irrelephant11 wrote:I voted Elsa with a random one of my two votes to try to show her how silly it is to only half vote (/I was kinda trying to be funny)
I do think the idea of using aritificial deadlines to play just one game at a time might be interesting
In that case; just think if this were one game for a moment; what are your reads?"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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I do like this idea the best thus far, it takes into account what everyone has thought about double-lynches/votes and how to interpret them.In post 62, Maki Harukawa wrote:I think it's best to focus on one game at a time and time to break them up as clearly as we can. If someone has a town pm and a scum pt (and that's very likely odds) It should be easier to tell tone apart from game to game and we can look at someones flip from game 1 to see if we should flip them in game 2
This pushes everyone to be on the same page, and could reduce the muddling of information between games, and mislynches/misleading arguments.
I want to clarify something, first. (But despite mod's answer, I favor this idea.)
@Mod
Say, one lynch for D1 happens, but the other game hasn't lynched yet.
Would we get the results of that lynch immediately? Before D1 ends for the other game? Or do we get 2 lynch-flips at once, at the end of both dayphases?"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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Forgot to mention this in last 3 posts.
I'm OK with double-lynching/double-voting if we do it the wayMakiintroduced for reasons I just stated.
(Also, I typed up the previous 3 posts before I sent them so people can see my chronological line of thought.)
This game is becoming a quick thrill and I didn't quite expect it.
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"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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im alive guys, i had to poo for 22 hours straight
going to start organizing posts and thoughts now
"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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Spoiler: Quote-By-Quote Post"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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@Irrelephant's 84
Solving for 2 games simultaneously makes a distinction between both difficult. I still agree with the plan given the mod's response.
Entertaining pre-flip associatives D1 will not help here. (RegardingElsa)
Can you elaborate onMakibeing VT+Scum?
The bolded assumes that a mislynch would be made, and therefore, not a plan that is concerned with scumhunting.In post 77, xyzzy wrote:do you disagree with my analysis that a person who is scum in one game and town in the other would prefer to be lynched in the town game given the choice between the two?and if so, do you disagree that strategically taking away the ability for scum to do that is a good plan?
if you think I'm arguing in bad faith, then that's fair, but you haven't actually clarified your thoughts on my plan.
Do you have other reads aside fromPine? And can you elaborate on howPineis likely scum in at least one game given his opening post?
I'd likePersivulto answer the above as well, and for his read onMakiand her posts so far.
(AboutPine) I don't see scum posting something that could be interpreted in many different ways as a VT/VT claim. It reads as gauging for reactions and thinking below the surface level."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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I'm trying to do less walls and more concise/condensed version of my thoughts for comprehension.
Also, I'm probably going VLA from around Dec. 23 to Dec. 26 because of the holidays
I'll possibly still post within non-prod parameters, but just giving a heads-up.
I'll have a readslist soon"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage-
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alsopers, i wanna know what game aboutelsayou meant originally (and your reads there and here) if you are able to discuss it
ive played withjaydragonkingonce but it was awhile ago and so the meta is very unreliable"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage-
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In post 95, Elsa Jay wrote:I dont remember you either, if that helps, Taly.
Meta isn't really something that works effectively on me since I change it based on my mood, the players, the setup, and the gamestate. Pick any of my 2 games and see if you see similarities.
Yeah, I think you're acknowledging specific posts and dodging others purposefully.
VOTE: B7 vote Elsa Jay
Read and respond to 91
This has been said before and I've already agreed to it.In post 100, Persivul wrote:Idea: we play this as 2 separate games. All posts for now are on one game. We set our own deadline for that game. Then we move on to the other with the mod's deadline.
Thoughts?
I've mentioned and asked you questions in 92..."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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I want you to me actually engage me and stop avoiding me just because I bring content into the thread.In post 102, Elsa Jay wrote:Of course I acknowledge some things and ignore other things. I pick the things that interest me. It's what I do.
When someone interacts with me, I'm more likely to notice their disappearance in game. Who elsa disappeared that you wanted me to notice?
You're not actually answering the brunt of my questions or assertions - your responses are also quite passive toward me given how I've made commentary on multiple of your posts, which reads as disingenuous.
What are your reads and thoughts aside fromIrrelephant?"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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@Persivul
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I didn't readPine'sopening post as a claim, as there's no way of knowing that he's truthful. He also said"discuss", implying he wanted people to debate his post.
So I took this as him stirring up conversation and getting reactions. He voiced his opinion onxyzzyso far and has engaged with you. I figured people who just wanted to lynchPinein both games for the purpose of WIFOM were to just avoid scumhunting. I foundPine'spost to be town-motivated in the sense that he's getting a feel for the players by attracting attention to themselves.
That's what I'm doing right now with my "in-depth" posts as you say... I can't articulate a full, strong read without generating discussion that requires it.
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I don't see a flaw in FoS'ing, and double-lynching is viable if we believe one person is likely scum within both game discussions.
Policy lynching D1 is fickle considering this is a 7p micro with 2 games and opens up too much setup and mechanic discussion.
Persivul, do you have any reads aside fromPine?
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AndIrrelephant?"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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Not from me - unless I have poor reading comprehension here - this post assumes thatIn post 126, Elsa Jay wrote:I thought I was doing a decent job in causing uncessacary conflict to draw out scum by being ignorant and seeing who would gun for me.
Can I have some townread now?specifically scumwould vote or suspect you.
You're playing defensively and without any clear motive to scumhunt.
Which makes sense to me, because your vote has not leftIrrelephantsince 7 but you've stated it was serious? Despite his unvote and note to re-evaluate? That's not a concern of yours, apparently. You're not making any conclusions based off interactions you've had, you're placing attention on anything away from that.
I want to hearMakielaborate on 98; regarding her thoughts onIrrelephant'spush and my thoughts directed toElsain my last few posts."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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Your push onPersivul wrote:
I said that, after you had one conversation with another person, I was "meh," i.e. null, on you. Your repeated requests for an explanation of my read feels forced - like you're scum paranoid that you don't look townie enough, and you want to know why so you can correct it.In post 86, Irrelephant11 wrote:Persivul please explain your read on me
C14: Unvote
B7: Unvote
B7: FOS IrrelephantIrrelephantthus far seems focused around his read on you... Also, I don't know what meeting you've had withIrrelepehantbefore, but 116 is dismissive of him.
Can you post-link or point out specific things about what he's said to emphasize your point?
@Persivul's 114
I actually want to know whyMakiandElsawould rather do B7 first because I'm not seeing the reason that makes B7"slightly more complicated""Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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Spoiler: *non-game* shameless promotion of new GTKAS thread
Spoiler: RWBY gifs to keep the mood c:"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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whoopsies i misread, i see ur point now
k, going to stop clogging up thread
readslist later tonight if more people post, or tomorrow morning before i start VLA
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If we're going to stick with a certain schedule for games, we need more than 2-4 people actively scumhunting at once...
I feel similar toward his assessments of(Moderate Townread) Pine:xyzzyandPersivul, and I believe his honesty, alongisde his below-surface scumhunting is town-motivated and geared toward gamesolving.
He's aggressive and confident in his pushes,(Slight Townread) Irrelephant:buthe also re-evaluates them, which strikes me as town much more than scum. I don't really seeMakiandElsa'ssuspicion there, and I'd like him to respond toPersivulbefore I think more here.
Nothing pulls me strongly one way or the other so far, but I think his burst of content displays a good town trait and his push away from(Townlean) Persivul:Pineshows that he's actively scumhunting.
Vague posts on thoughts, hints at scumreads but hasn't followed up much yet. I liked their opening posts about how to deal with two-games-at-once, but I question if that's town-motivated or not.*Low Confidence* (Scumlean) Maki Harukawa:
They've essentially been one-note so far in the game. I already stated that earlier discussions on how to approach this game were mainly playstyle, but I wasn't fond of the implications behind their initial reasoning.*Low Confidence* (Scumlean) xyzzy:
ISO me for my case here. There is being deflective to gauge for reactions, and then there's doing that in hopes to confirm preemptive suspicions on people like(Moderate Scumread) Elsa Jay:Irrelephant. I thinkElsa'sgame has been the second option; I can't discern if he's scum/scum or scum/town, but I'm confident he is scum in one game at least.
To Help Bring Confidence To All Reads:
Maki
- Prompting you to reply to my questions in 129 and 130.
Xyzzy
- Prompting you to reply to my questions in 92."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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I'm going VLA, but if I see a lot of people directly addressing me or a surge of activity that I'm not expecting right now, tbh...
I'll be prompt."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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I don't know if you read my posts for the past 2 pagesMaki.
There's more to my reasons onElsabeing scum in at least one game, as I've stated.
I've posed and linked my questions to you in my readslist.
I don't see howPine"could be scum" as you say in 141, so I'd like to be enlightened.
I'm feeling a bit alone on the gamesolving part here.
(OK, now actual VLA because I keep looking back at the thread every couple hours and I need to unplug from this a bit.)"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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VLA over. Will definitely catch-up sometime within the next few hours. (Which unfortunately, doesn't seem like much to catch-up on. x-x)
"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage-
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:/ I did not get nearly the amount of responses, quotations, and questions as I'd like in the past 3 days.
*Read my ISO if I mention something you do not recall*
@Maki
Why are you ignoring me? I've had several posts that explicitly addressed a response from you or mentioned a read on you and you haven't replied to them.
This approach was a major reason why my scumread onElsahad gotten stronger prior to my VLA, but you norIrrelephantlooked at my posts detailing my thoughts onElsain a full read before writing off the vote in of itself as weak.
I'd also likeIrrelephantto expand on why he agreed with you on this, without stating his own reasoning.
@Elsa
Do you agree with a No Lynch in C14,Elsa? As I assumeMakiwould like, judging by her vote?
Also, why haven't you made any commentary on my read/posts toward you?
@xyzzy
Where did you get the idea that I scumread low activity players?
Has your opinion on how to handle this game changed withElsa'srecent explanations?"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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*non-game post*
Also this,
Elsa, don't trivializexyzzy'spronoun preferences."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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omg i was just about to post
made a separate window when i previewed and saw the VC"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
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I've been typing and looking at the screen for around 30-45 minutes.
Until I realized, that I'm either going to become a broken record with questions/assessments and pull teeth more, or lose the somewhat-declining strength with more than one read I have, or both.
I need to shift my approach.
VOTE: C14 vote Maki Harukawa
I'm rereading the thread and evaluating by Monday - likely ISO-diving, and hopefullyPersivulwould be done with his VLA so the playerlist can work toward being on the same wavelength."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage-
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The points on my readslist stand 135In post 214, Irrelephant11 wrote:Why Maki? @taly
@maki what do you think of Persivul scumreading me for wanting him to explain his scumread of me? Like??
Added Points:
-Makinever elaborated or responded to the points againstElsa, she's suspected and minimized any points directed toward him. 98 and 138
-Maki'skept her No Lynch vote on C14 for several pages now, and I doubt that it's "just RVS" at this moment.
I'm also pretty tired of my scumreads side-stepping me here. I can't think of a clear town-motive of not responding to multiple prompts of discussion when there's two games to dissect, and I've seen this behavior come most often from scum in my experience. I don't think there's a lot of strength or fire in my scumreads, but I think it's just about the most that has been presented in this game.
@xyzzy, you've done nothing but game theory this entire dayphase while ignoring ANY attempt at town agreeing on a game approach, what are you basing your reads off of?
Especially the double-vote onElsadespite them actually explaining their thought process in the past page or so?
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Would really like to hearPine'scase forElsabecause minusIrrelephant'searlier push, I think I'm the only person who has cased and detailed a scumread.
At the moment, I'm a bit doubtful anyone rolled scum/scum this game, given the lack of vindication in the thread. As well as the specific setup discussion.
Will get around to more in depth analysis later, my parents went to spend the week with my brother who is stationed in South Korea. So me, my other sister and brother, have chores to do since friends are coming over."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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How hard do I have to pull teeth to get someone to bite?"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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4/4 the people I've mentioned all have directed a comment at me since I've last seen the thread!
+1 to my motivation.
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"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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In post 221, xyzzy wrote:
this first part is just................................ factually incorrect. like go read my ISO and tell me that I've done nothing but setup theorizeIn post 219, Taly wrote:@xyzzy, you've done nothing but game theory this entire dayphase while ignoring ANY attempt at town agreeing on a game approach, what are you basing your reads off of?
Especially the double-vote onElsadespite them actually explaining their thought process in the past page or so?
also you're implying that my vote on Elsa Jay is based on me disagreeing with his lynch plan, which is not remotely true???
all of these questions are pulled completely out of your ass and in no way accurately reflect anything I've done*ISO skim*
-You've double-votedPine, do you still believe he's town/scum?
-You don't seeIrrelephant'sstretch of sayingMakicould be town/scum of his assessment?
-You've reiterated your stance on double-votes and double-lynches a few times.
-You also note that you thinkIrrelephantis town in one game andElsais scum at least one as well.
-You've double-votedElsa.
Have I missed or misread something?
In post 222, Pine wrote:Dude, Taly, I’ve pretty extensively discussed my suspicions of Elsa. ISO me.*ISO skim*
And your vote?"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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In post 223, Maki Harukawa wrote:
Considering I've said I'm focusing on one game and I've been voting in the B7 game. Yes it's RVS although I don't see how even if the vote wasn't RVS it'd be scimmyIn post 219, Taly wrote:Maki's kept her No Lynch vote on C14 for several pages now, and I doubt that it's "just RVS" at this moment.Marianoticed me!
And I don't see how acknowledging any of my posts ONLY when you want to minimize them is towny.
You make statements about people's pushes but you don't iterate or expand on your own. 98 138 140 141 You say you're focusing on B7, but even though I've explicitly directed posts to you when I was gamesolving just for B7, you don't reply. 129 and 130 135 147 196
I'm post-linking just to make sure we're on the same page here. ^_^
It is noteworthy that you engaged with me when my C14 vote was on you, though.
What have I been trying to combat since my VLA?In post 224, Elsa Jay wrote:I wanted to focus on Bird butwe're reaching the deadline faster then anticipated, due to holidays or lazyness if up to debate.
I'll be here more tommorow and I hope the 7 of us can get a discussion going.
I don't know how I can make myself clearer.
Thus far, my reads haven't changed much with the responses - or lack of - I've been getting. So right now, I'm going to stop doing this "throw question-respond to" approach since it's not viable at the moment, and ISO-dive. I've started a bit already, and I plan to begin posting some content tomorrow since it's New Years.
AlsoElsa, it off-puts me that you continue to reiterate that you're focusing on Bird but you've never countered any point I made around my vote on you."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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catching up tomorrow indefinitely, haven't had much desire or ability to devote to mafia in the past day because of new years
UNVOTE: B7 Elsa
Skimmed and saw the doc claim; not debating it at all and assuming it being 100% true is extremely beneficial for town.
For this, I'm not feeling good about anElsaC14 lynch at the moment for following reasons:
- Likelier NK in B7
- C14 scum would want to drive a sudden lynch given the lack of discussion for that game, and I'm very suspect of the quickwagon there
- Not confident inElsatown/town, but definitely am not seeing scum/scum
I dislike all of theIrrelepehantvotes on page 10, even ifElsais B7 IC
makiscumread has stagnated and remained the same just like her recent posts"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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clarifying, the votes casted ONIn post 276, Taly wrote:I dislike all of the Irrelepehant votes on page 10irenot ones he posed"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage-
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Everyone should read each quote reply. I "spoilered" them so it's not a text-wall eye-sore.
Also encourage people to quote my replies or post-link them for full transparency between the playerlist.
Spoiler: Quote Reply to Pine
Spoiler: Quote Reply to Persivul
Spoiler: Quote Reply to Xyzzy
Spoiler: Quote Reply to Irrelephant
Spoiler: Quote Reply to Maki Harukawa"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage-
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Quick Both-Game Reads
Scum/scum feels unlikely on anyone at the moment.
Pine
Townread early posts. Unhelpful argument againstElsa'sB7 claim, but there was a quick vote on him in C14 and I want that vote explained.
Light Townread/Light Scumread- Unsure of Game
Persivul
I like his push for content, but I'm not in favor of his votes and reasons thus far. Not getting a town/town feel with overall posts.
Unconfident Townread/Unconfident Scumread- Unsure of Game
xyzzy
I want to townread based on a lack of defense from anyone and lack of cohesion with playerlist. Though several posts don't make sense from a town POV.
Light Townread/Scumread- Unsure of Game
Elsa
Claimed Doc in B7. Quick L-1'd in C14 suggests he's town, though based on his overall posting, I'm not ruling out Doc/Scum.
B7 IC/C14 Unconfident Townread
Maki Harukawa
I doubt scum/scum, and I can see town somewhere... But I'm unconfident in that, and I feel my case on her regarding C14 is stronger.
B7 ???/C14 Scumread
Irrelephant
I foundIrrelephant'sentire ISO to be pushing for discussion in some manner, even to his gut double-vote which L-1'dElsain B7. Theremustbe town/town in this game and this is my strongest read on that. He was L-1'd quickly in B7, and his C14 vote feels sound.
B7 Townread/C14 Townread
Irrelephant/Elsaregister as town/town to some degree.
So I'm not voting to lynch either of them as of my current reads.
And yeah, I'm actively saying "no" to any wagon on them."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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literally taking this huge shit on the thread took 2 hours to fully type and articulate
now im actually bloated IRL. hello irony
... fuck me"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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oh and merry christmas/happy new years
idgaf if im late c;"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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-_-*..."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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congrats. this was all the clarification i neededIn post 289, xyzzy wrote:this was probably unclear but what I meant was if someone claims in a game I'm fine with having two separate lynches instead of the same person in both games
post 248 was made while I was in the middle of writing post 249 and I didn't bother reading the post and doing a p-edit before submitting 249. after submitting 249 I read 248 and I decided to vote Irrelephant in 250.
now can you actually explain yourIrrelephantB7 scumread/vote because I don't see it, and I'd love to know your thoughts onMakihaving her sole vote on you for 150 posts.
Spoiler: Quote-By-Quote reply to Pers"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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In post 291, Irrelephant11 wrote:Taly you should move both your votes
i made an indirect reply to this about "im not voting if i dont have clarity" in theIn post 292, Irrelephant11 wrote:Actually, the Maki vote might be okay
But you should place the other vote somewherePersquote-by-quote
What I really want to know?
Why isMakivote "might be OK" whenMakihas deliberately side-stepped any attempt I've made at engaging with her?
I cased a full scumread on her within C14 and the only responses I've gotten over this has been "are you really going to keep your vote there?"
When I'm not the only person noting her lack of pushing?
its frustrating me so much that most of my posts today have accomplished seemingly nothing when im trying to have someone work with me here.
Then actually case your push onElsa Jay wrote:My life is flashing before my eyes in c14. I know assassins are also coming for me in B7. Someone save me.Persivulin C14.
He replied to my assertion that he tried to hammer, and you haven't engaged with that.
At the moment, I don't feel quite strongly enough to switch when people have blatantly avoided my case."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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I also wantMakito actually build onto her thoughts towardxyzzy-B7 scum because as far as I've seen, she's voteparked and used that as a means to not do anything else."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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To clarify, you mean votingIn post 302, Maki Harukawa wrote:I'll prob be forced to vote Ire idk who to vote in the other gameIrein C14, correct? Either way, why?
I need someone to explain what scum motivation they see withIrebecause I'm not seeing it. :/
In post 303, Maki Harukawa wrote:Along with the fact I've been irl/sick. I feel somewhat better. Taly I've ignored everyone not just you for the most part. If you want to put everything you wanna ask me in 1 post I'll answer.1)Do you thinkElsais town/scum? Do you think any C14 votes there are unjustified?
2)What are your grievances with the C14Persivulvote?
3)What are your thoughts behind my own vote on you?
4)Can you explain yourxyzzyB7 vote? (I also wantIrrelephantto explain this as well)
5)Do you believeElsa'sassessment aboutPinein B7? And that he's likely scum there?"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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With some thought and reread of the past 3 pages, my feelings on theElsaC14 wagon are taking a 180, and thatPine/Pers'votes were town-led. He is using his claim for both games. (247 294 to divert gamesolving)
I wantElsato explain whyPine/Perswould be scum in separate games if they're both centered on lynching him in C14. 258
I'm having a hard time seeingPineas town in B7 for 241, but not forElsa'sreasoning. I explained it in my quote-reply. 285
I'd likexyzzyto put effort in explanations for his votes so he's more clear. I want a B7-specific case because I can see reasons he could be town/scum in either game.
I'm thinkingPersis most likely to be town/town out ofPine/Pers/Elsa/xyzzywith everything considered.
I wish I could sayElsatoo, but not with their ISO.
"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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It makes sense thatPinehad a genuine scumread onElsain C14, and didn't want to voteElsain B7 for suspicion after anElsatownflip.Pinestated voting in a game like this is reckless, and didn't place any vote until I prodded 219 - even when he statedElsawas the best lynch and had a case when he was being voted in B7. 217 - 222
The doubtcast on the doc-claim seemed to read as a reason to lynchElsain B7 anyway, judging howPine's241 was before any unvote onElsa-B7. 245 - 249 - 276
VOTE: Bird 7P vote Pine
This is currently my strongest scumread/case that is Bird 7P-specific. I'm still wanting to hear outxyzzy/irrelephantreads on either game."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage-
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this makes me think ive been tunneling a little ;-;In post 303, Maki Harukawa wrote:Taly I've ignored everyone not just you for the most part
but im doing A+ effort for that D2 both-game townblocmaki<3
still not seeing you town/town tho so please reply before deadline ty"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage-
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I thought more people would post in the past 4-5 hours.
But if there's no majority, it's an auto no-lynch here and that won't get us anywhere.
I think my case onPine-scum in B7 is a good game-specific assessment, but I don't see town/townxyzzy.
I still have some reservations lynchingElsain C14, but I only feel confidentElsais town in B7, and I did have a strong town/scum vibe on him earlier this dayphase.
I'm expressing intent to hammer and/or L-1 xyzzy-B7/Elsa-C14 an hour before deadline (at the earliest):
- if a conclusion hasn't been made.
- if my mind on lynch options change from the current ones via replies I've prompted.
If someone thinks an hour out from deadline is too early, then just say so.
"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage-
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I was typing the L-1 vote post, p-edited, saw your L-1 vote, typed again - got p-edited when I submitted, and then sawPersivul wrote:@Taly: I don't want to stick you with two hammers, but xyzzy was online recently and this needs to be addressed.
VOTE: B7: xyzzy
L-1Elsa'shammer....
Why didn't you still give him any time to respond to the playerlist? Or for anyone else who hasn't posted today? Why would him claiming cop be 100% untruthful?Elsa Jay wrote:We're not letting them claim cop to do something horrible later on.
As for C14, I admit when I'm a PR I get scummier and scummier, but all of my actions this game, including this hammer, is because I'm a PR. Not because I'm scum in C14.
You still didn't put up your thoughts on a C-14Persivulcase 298 or my prompt in 307
Maki Harukawa wrote: 1) I think Elsa is being Elsa and that's making people sr them. Do I think the scumreads are unjustified? Yes but they're still nullish
2) Persivul is the most obv town in the game so I don't get why he's a wagon
3) Your vote on me isn't something I care about
4) His whole way of wanting to go at this game along with his reaction to pine is scummy. Nothing has made me change my mind.
5) Pine is somewhat towny and I won't be voting them over the other 2 in B71)Why haven't you voiced more against the wagon then? Do you have a C14 scumread?
2)I'm beginning to agree at this point.
3)ouch, i just wanted 2 b amaria;-;
4)Ah
5)Do you think my case onPineisn't solid? (AskingPersthis too)"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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But really, I just don't understand this, tbh.In post 320, Maki Harukawa wrote:3) Your vote on me isn't something I care about
Out of all the mafia games I've played, I haven't seen this sentiment come from town from the extent I've pushed.
I've seen scum - especially games I've lost - do whatever they could to ignore or minimize my votes. If you don't pay a push attention, then nobody else would push it, right?
Are all my posts directed toward you invalid? I don't know if this is just a big playstyle difference but it's annoying the piss out of me."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage-
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pers, be very direct and honest
do you thinkmakiis scum? do you think i am tunneling - or if my vote is unjustified?"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage-
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My intent to hammerElsa-C14 still stands, but I'll wait closer to deadline to givePineandxyzzytime to post."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage-
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