Unstable Mafia - Game Over

[rosterfoster]

Scum: Lich

Scummy: Volxen, Teacher-ish

Null: Rest

Town: DT, A50, Rabb

Pedit: He's null. But a wagon there is not productive.

[Vedith]

Scum: Lich

Scummy: Volxen, Teacher-ish

Null: Rest

Town: DT, A50, Rabb

Pedit: He's null. But a wagon there is not productive.

You think Teacher Scum? Stop it you, you're going to make me blush!
Why is Volxen Scum though?

What's not productive about any wagon, let alone a null read?

[rosterfoster]

You think Teacher Scum? Stop it you, you're going to make me blush!
Why is Volxen Scum though?

What's not productive about any wagon, let alone a null read?

-It's my weakest scum read, but I've not been feeling productivity from their posts, almost a kind of active-lurk.

-I was going back to find the post and then realised I said it was maybe good. I was just remembering my instincts. Essentially just 42 - but reading his few posts I'm not seeing anything which looks town-motivated, so I feel a bit better about this now.

-When the recipient of the wagon is V/LA and there's no real reason to lynch them.

[podoboq]

Official Vote Count 1.15

Lynching

With 13 players, it takes 7 to lynch.

TemporalLich

(3): 0verki11, DoubtingThomas, rosterfoster

pignash

(2): Vedith, Almost50

rosterfoster

(2): Rabbi Vole, Creature

Rabbi Vole

(1): teacher

Dr Worm

(1): volxen

DoubtingThomas

(1): TemporalLich

Nobody

(3): pignash, Dr Worm, RCEnigma

Deadline

: (expired on 2019-03-15 20:15:00)

V/LA

: pignash

[teacher]

-It's my weakest scum read, but I've not been feeling productivity from their posts, almost a kind of active-lurk.

This is a fair criticism of me. I’m overworked right now and didn’t expect it to fill so fast. I’m reading but not contributing not analyzing as much as I want to.

[RCEnigma]

-When the recipient of the wagon is V/LA and there's no real reason to lynch them.

I won't say there is no reason to Lynch them but a wagon on a V/la is counterintuitive and a poor use of time. It's always something you can come back to.

[RCEnigma]

RCE I'll reevaluate but seems consensus town and he's a fairly easy read

What is that's prompting the need to re evaluate now? What was your initial evaluation?

If you could explain your roster vote as well and why specifically you picked him out of your pool of 5-6 slots that were vote worthy. 3 you said you read fairly well, what are your impressions on those 3 slots?

[DoubtingThomas]

266 is me explaining my read lmao, and why is me tunneling you scummy to begin with?

Tunneling is scummy because it distracts from actual information (and thus hinders town). 492 shows a willingness to town it up though, so you've moved up the list.

5- TL also needs to stop the OMGUS. Instead, show us why you shouldn't be voted, or -at least- give us a real case other than "He's tunneling me so I'm returning the favour. That ain't gonna fly further than your own nose.

P.S. I still maintain that OK vs TL us very likely TvT, with the caveat that I don't even know TL and don't claim to be an expert on OK's meta.

Yeah TL vs OK is clearly fruitless. There is a chance that Rabbi Vole gets green checked by a successful Dr Worm coaching, but for now Vole is a wagon worth wagoning. I agree it's probably TvT, Overkill actually is towning it up for once.

VOTE: Rabbi Vole

May post a readlist soon.

Lead Rist:

[Town]

RCEnigma

Almost50

teacher

Vedith

Creature

pignash

0verki11

Rabbi Vole

volxen

rosterfoster

Dr Worm

DoubtingThomas

[Scum]

RCEnigma - The hero we need and deserve. An info goldmine and team player.

Almost50 - Despite jokingly being scum, is very good at making content.

teacher - Coldly logical and good at info, low activity.

Vedith - Towns it up despite incredibly convenient and scummy roleclaim.

Creature - Middle of the road townie according to ISO.

pignash - ISO is dry of info, but acts towny

0verki11 - Scummy AF... until RCE said the interaction with me is TvT and I found info by 0verki11.

Rabbi Vole - Seemingly towny I guess.

volxen - Lurker

rosterfoster - Please try to seem like a team player.

Dr Worm - All talk, no action. Want to see a coaching on Vole.

DoubtingThomas - Scummy AF. Unlike 0verki11 I don't believe DT could be towny.

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

literally nothing changed on my slot nor rabbi vole's slot between the 30 minutes

[DoubtingThomas]

@mod I will be V/LA until the weekend.

I say he needs to post more and he declares VLA.

Anyone up for a wagon here? I don't want to start a vanity wagon, but if I can find 2-3 others willing to make this a competing wagon I'm all for it.

VOTE: Pignash

Let's go for it.

almost50 made a big long wall case on me and doesn't really come back to it, but is actively looking for new wagons to form imo to save lich

[DoubtingThomas]

Lichy sell me on DT as scum?
If you could vig 0verki11 right now would you do it? I'm kinda craving some decisiveness in your read on him.

I would dayvig DT right this second if I could.

I would not vig 0verki11 right now, but if 0verki11 keeps acting scummy I would consider 0verki11 as a vig target (I still think TL/OK is TvT so I'm not vigging town if I can help it).

Why DT is scum and can't be cleared even with a green check from someone who flipped Full Cop (investigates for role name and alignment i.e. would know if you're a mafia godfather or townie):

111 - Scummy entry pocketing Creature

137 - Trying to pressure me into not posting

143 - Toxic much?

147 - Scummy reaction tbh

155 - DT you do realize both situations are scummy right?

159 - Hostility to everyone is not how teamwork works

160 - This might actually be WotCable

163 - I think this gave more weight to "DT is scum"

230 - Chainsaw defense

236 - Oh god the salt

239 - How is that not obvious disrespect?!

292 - More shading of me

389 - Pocketing RF

421 - LAMIST

Question for the class:

How many of these points actually warrant scum points?

[DoubtingThomas]

Lich is either the most obvious scum or the most terrible town i've ever seen

either way, truly embarassing

[DoubtingThomas]

Spoiler:

I have Over and Almost as town for now

haha.. fooled ya

again

!

what the fuck are you saying

did you just scum slip or are you just completely incapable of recognizing what the fuck you are writing yourself?

I said I

fooled him

again. I didn't even say it was "in a game of Mafia", let alone "town reading me when I'm scum". It's not

my

fault that

you

have comprehension problems or you jump to conclusions reading something that isn't there, and if you had tried to read beyond that you'd realize I explained I can joke with Creature & RCE (specifically) without them misunderstanding.

But that's not the

only

problem here. The real issue is you're comments seem to be aiming at playing down anyone's TR on anyone. You so not want

anyone

to trust

anyone else

. You know who does that? Scum do. They want the town to keep doubting each other and keep everyone in their lynching pool. You know how town go about TRs they feel unjustified> They

ask for the reasoning

. They don't go "I'm not pleased about this" and "you are scummy so stop posting" and "did he break his meta?" (on response to a TR stated on Creature).

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

And you may scream "OMGUS" as loud as you can, cuz I don't care how it looks to you nor how you want to call it.

ME IS NO LYKE DIS SR WARM GIMMICK. HAW DOES EVERYBIDY FEEL ABOWT LINCHYNG THEM TOODAY?

I can think of at least 8 ways to kill a worm.

I can think of 3:

1- Dipping it in alcohol
2- Locking it in a can after blowing cigarette smokes in it
3- Sinking it in certain sticky liquids

That's why drinking, smoking and having lots of sex is GOOD for your health.

On a serious note though, do you think it a good idea to out a VT role, gave Worm target it (and die), and then scum shoot the new PR? I mean, IF this role is for real them he played it in the worst possible way EVER.

Man this game is going at a

snails

worm pace.

Fixed that for you, Mr President.

The best play to Worm's claim is to leave him alone for today. If he town, Scum will have to decide whether to believe him or not, amd if they do they need to decide on whether kill him or not. Anything that gives scum a headache I am good with.

defending a player is different to saying another player just tunneling without doing anything should stop, creature. you know the drill

So what are we supposed to do if we shouldn't "tunnel" anyone rn?

Obviously if you can't tunnel you need to bridge, unless you prefer to wait for the ferry.

Eh, gotta start somewhere

VOTE: demonlord

RCE, Creature and Vedith want this wagon, so who am I to argue? This is NOT me denying responsibility for the flip, btw. I am just stating my reason for voting there, but it;s MY vote and MY responsibility.

Woah, woah, woah! That changed fast! Against me! I feel that this just a scum lynch. Lynching the underdog.

No. It's a Democrats driven impeachment. Hillary's collaborating with the Chinese, North Koreans and the Mexicans (only the bad ones. The drug dealers). Oh, and -most importantly- the

CNN

is backing this all the way.

Demonlord, I meant that you probably meant that you were the one being jumped on.

I thought you meant that he probably meant that you probably meant that you smell spearmint!

Dude, post something that has to do with the game, pg you will. (Or you can relief me of all taxes and cancel my parking tickets in exchange for my vote going elsewhere. Your choice.)

???

???

^Was this still open or did I miss out?^

1- I don't understand the case on TL as of yet. Can anyone help me get why he is being wagoned?
2- Rabbi (Trump slot) is being resisted heavily by 4-5 players, and I can't see them all being town. If giving the replacement slack was the idea, I don't see why it was resisted by so many BEFORE the replacement took place.
3- REC voting Vedith is kinds annoying. You know it ain't gonna happen today with this players list. Get off the vanity wagon and vote one of the two main candidates, or find a third candidate who

can

be lynched today and give a good case on why they're worthy of the lynch.
4- Same goes for Volxen. Worm is self-resolving. We don't need to pursue his case today. He's not gonna make it too far as either alignment the way he plays.
5- TL also needs to stop the OMGUS. Instead, show us why you shouldn't be voted, or -at least- give us a real case other than "He's tunneling me so I'm returning the favour. That ain't gonna fly further than your own nose.

P.S. I still maintain that OK vs TL us very likely TvT, with the caveat that I don't even know TL and don't claim to be an expert on OK's meta.

Another P.S. I'm not fond of roster's catch up, but I'm willing to give him another chance. At least he's trying. Meanwhile pignash is nonexistent, and neither is volxen.

Im fine with a demon lynch but im more confident in a lich lynch.
Creature is town, Teacher is town, Worm is town, RCE, DT, Teacher are probably town.
Ez time for a d1 gamesolve

Add Rabbi and Roster to this.

You forgot Teacher as a new addition.

Who resisted my wagon Mr Monkey? Do any motivations stick out to you as worse than others?

Not until you actually provide more content. It just feels weird that 5 players defended your predecessor the way he played.

hes not even tunneling me theres no pressure involved there.

Nobody talked about pressure. In fact, if he was applying any real pressure I wouldn't have stopped him. That's why I said to either stop it or provide a real case.

@mod I will be V/LA until the weekend.

I say he needs to post more and he declares VLA.

Anyone up for a wagon here? I don't want to start a vanity wagon, but if I can find 2-3 others willing to make this a competing wagon I'm all for it.

VOTE: pignash

He has Vedith who you townread in his POE and townreads DT who is your strongest scumread - obviously your views of the gamestate are going to be fairly different but do you buy that those reads are legit?

yeah... DT is scum and you cannot convince me otherwise.

Here's 0verki11's readlist according to the ISO.

Double Town

: teacher

Town

: Creature, Dr Worm, Rabbi Vole

Probtown

: RCEnigma, DoubtingThomas, rosterfoster
POE: Vedith

Scum

: TemporalLich

Yeah this seems somewhat survivalistic.

Can Overkill confirm this to be his current readlist?

So you wouldn't mind voting pignash if needs be. Right?

A50 makes a big ass case on me, clashes with me a little bit, then a day later

NEVER REVISITS

the read on me

I scraped all his posts. He never even mentions me, but actively tries to start a wagon on low hanging frits, who are not posting and are not ready to actively defend themselves like demonlord and when the sub comes in, retreats to pignash.

Doesn't look like his scum read on me is real. Doesn't look like he is trying to really find scums. He's trying to defend Lich by shading people's scum read on him.

@Almost50, can you explain your town read of Lich?

[Vedith]

Why are you so angry this game?

[DoubtingThomas]

also temporal, you are so scummy right now. you might get farther if you don't post instead of trying in a futile attempt

Are you actually trying to pressure me into not posting and thus looking scummy?

You're only trying to get me lynched because you know it will benefit you and your buddies.

Even if you were town, that post is still anti-town.

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

This post has no substance. He is using a joke of me saying, "don't post" and spinning it into me being a scum that was trying to pressure him to 'reduce content' or some bull shit. Except he himself has very little content regardless of my post.

He's saying, "You are trying to get me lynched because you know it will benefit you and your buiddes" = means nothing, scums try to mislynch

"Even if you were town, that post is still anti-town" -> hasty push doesn't try to decipher whether or not i am scummy, but more focused on me 'posting a bad post'

VOTE: Dr Worm
im a n0 cop, targeted the Worm and hes red.

2. Because hes my N0 green, also its obvious that he wouldnt be this dumb as scum.

VOTE: 0verki11

Can't even keep your own "facts" straight.

votes 0verk1ll for this post? why not vote him when he was saying weird shit like "just kill lich i am cop". The logic lich used to scum read me applies more to 0verk1ll. I think lich was just self conscious of voting 0verk1ll before. I think he was low key scared that 0verk1ll was a real cop taht had scan on him and was afraid to vote him until he voted someone else (me) once

I've reread this thread trying to look for a possible scumbuddy to DT, oh boy DT looks scummy as heck. DT seems to be tunneling Almost50 even. I hate to say this but DT is a net loss for the town. If DT flips red Creature is likely red.

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

0verki11 is still a decent enough wagon, a red 0verki11 likely means a red Dr Worm and could potentially implicate a red pignash.

Summary of Lich's post:

- DT looks scummy as heck
- DT is tunneling Almost50
- DT is a net loss for town
- If DT is red, Creature is Red

literally nothing but empty words of, "DT looks scummy" (failst o explain). let's not even talk about the weird ass asscoiation of me and creature and how tunneling, being net loss for town has nothing to do with me being scum

also temporal, you are so scummy right now. you might get farther if you don't post instead of trying in a futile attempt

This comes from town.

That's not even possible.

Congrats, you're a DT associative.

Building a whole associative world around me being scum. This is not what townies do.

it is useful.. now you have one less slot to solve yw

If you're so confident you're town then fine... I'll entertain your notion for now (read: you're still scummy and lamist AF).

This post doesn't even make sense. He's playing fucking tennis with vote on me and vote on 0verk1ll lol. this is not what townies do. while voting for 0verk1ll he still has the audacity to say i am still scummy and lamist? how is being lamist even alignment indicative?

VOTE: 0verki11

266 is me explaining my read lmao, and why is me tunneling you scummy to begin with?

Tunneling is scummy because it distracts from actual information (and thus hinders town). 492 shows a willingness to town it up though, so you've moved up the list.

5- TL also needs to stop the OMGUS. Instead, show us why you shouldn't be voted, or -at least- give us a real case other than "He's tunneling me so I'm returning the favour. That ain't gonna fly further than your own nose.

P.S. I still maintain that OK vs TL us very likely TvT, with the caveat that I don't even know TL and don't claim to be an expert on OK's meta.

Yeah TL vs OK is clearly fruitless. There is a chance that Rabbi Vole gets green checked by a successful Dr Worm coaching, but for now Vole is a wagon worth wagoning. I agree it's probably TvT, Overkill actually is towning it up for once.

VOTE: Rabbi Vole

May post a readlist soon.

Votes Rabbi Vole for uh an unexplained reason? Idk what he is even trying to get across here.

LITERALLY SAYS "VOLE IS A WORTHY WAGON" while all of his game has been meaningless banter about how i am scum and others are scum associative with me LOL

Lead Rist:

[Town]

RCEnigma

Almost50

teacher

Vedith

Creature

pignash

0verki11

Rabbi Vole

volxen

rosterfoster

Dr Worm

DoubtingThomas

[Scum]

RCEnigma - The hero we need and deserve. An info goldmine and team player.

Almost50 - Despite jokingly being scum, is very good at making content.

teacher - Coldly logical and good at info, low activity.

Vedith - Towns it up despite incredibly convenient and scummy roleclaim.

Creature - Middle of the road townie according to ISO.

pignash - ISO is dry of info, but acts towny

0verki11 - Scummy AF... until RCE said the interaction with me is TvT and I found info by 0verki11.

Rabbi Vole - Seemingly towny I guess.

volxen - Lurker

rosterfoster - Please try to seem like a team player.

Dr Worm - All talk, no action. Want to see a coaching on Vole.

DoubtingThomas - Scummy AF. Unlike 0verki11 I don't believe DT could be towny.

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

Literally the most contentless full read list I've ever seen. without exaggeration. Just shows that his earlier vote on Rabbi Vole has been absolutely brainless work and he tried to 'wagon for teh sake of wagoning' like he claimed himself. atrocious

Lichy sell me on DT as scum?
If you could vig 0verki11 right now would you do it? I'm kinda craving some decisiveness in your read on him.

I would dayvig DT right this second if I could.

I would not vig 0verki11 right now, but if 0verki11 keeps acting scummy I would consider 0verki11 as a vig target (I still think TL/OK is TvT so I'm not vigging town if I can help it).

Why DT is scum and can't be cleared even with a green check from someone who flipped Full Cop (investigates for role name and alignment i.e. would know if you're a mafia godfather or townie):

111 - Scummy entry pocketing Creature

137 - Trying to pressure me into not posting

143 - Toxic much?

147 - Scummy reaction tbh

155 - DT you do realize both situations are scummy right?

159 - Hostility to everyone is not how teamwork works

160 - This might actually be WotCable

163 - I think this gave more weight to "DT is scum"

230 - Chainsaw defense

236 - Oh god the salt

239 - How is that not obvious disrespect?!

292 - More shading of me

389 - Pocketing RF

421 - LAMIST

Being toxic, 'disrespectful', 'salty', 'hostility', 'being wotcable' are non-scum points.

He is calling out random posts 'scummy' but isn't explaining why it's scummy, it is all level 0 nonsense. Feels like he fucking rng'ed my posts to call some posts scummy and point out that some posts are aggressive, but not necessary, scummy, in an attempt to make me look scummy. but oh boy this whole fucking case has literally 0 substance and if you don't see it, you are actually scum.

Almost50 saying, "he does not see why Lich is scum" probably literally comes from either

1) being scum with him
2) not reading Lich's posts.

which one is it, a50?

temporal lich is the lynch today, 100% of the time. sorry guys. this is ltierally a village idiot just screaming DT DT DT entire day phase while spamming thread with random garbage

VOTE: temporallich

[DoubtingThomas]

Why are you so angry this game?

what part of that seems angry to you?

[RCEnigma]

All this bold is probably important.

[DoubtingThomas]

I am at the point where Lich's "scum case" on me is so contentless that it gives me a headache trying to rebute what is not there

[RCEnigma]

votes 0verk1ll for this post? why not vote him when he was saying weird shit like "just kill lich i am cop". The logic lich used to scum read me applies more to 0verk1ll. I think lich was just self conscious of voting 0verk1ll before. I think he was low key scared that 0verk1ll was a real cop taht had scan on him and was afraid to vote him until he voted someone else (me) once

This logic only works if you think worm is also scum.

[DoubtingThomas]

Why are you so angry this game?

this is actually a scummy post. i don't see anger in any of my posts. explain what made you think i was angry at all. maybe i am just annoyed that lich is not getting lynched already even though he is literally bleeding scum

[DoubtingThomas]

votes 0verk1ll for this post? why not vote him when he was saying weird shit like "just kill lich i am cop". The logic lich used to scum read me applies more to 0verk1ll. I think lich was just self conscious of voting 0verk1ll before. I think he was low key scared that 0verk1ll was a real cop taht had scan on him and was afraid to vote him until he voted someone else (me) once

This logic only works if you think worm is also scum.

how?

[RCEnigma]

If worm is town then why would Scum!Lich ever be worried about overkill, who claimed a red check on someone Lich knows isn't scum?

[DoubtingThomas]

i thought 0verk1ll retracted having scans at all.

did you read the rest of the case?

[Vedith]

Why are you so angry this game?

this is actually a scummy post. i don't see anger in any of my posts. explain what made you think i was angry at all. maybe i am just annoyed that lich is not getting lynched already even though he is literally bleeding scum

Call it what you want, just chill out a bit.
I get it's frustrating but shitting on people for their play or in general regardless doesn't help. I've done it enough in the past to know.

[RCEnigma]

So then you don't think Lich was afraid overkill was going to scan him. So why is his vote on overkill scummy then?

[DoubtingThomas]

So then you don't think Lich was afraid overkill was going to scan him. So why is his vote on overkill scummy then?

how is the two dependent on each other?