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[bob3141]

VOTE: Saudade

Being number 7 he maybe just too lucky

[bob3141]

UNVOTE:

Since your naturaly unlucky then maybe being seventh may simply balance that out bit. So we need not fear a lucky scum player

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Performer is town.

I do find the affirmative in your sentance a little odd. Quite a bit odd to use "is town" since your unlikely to have info
So what in his two prevous posts made you feel that he was highley likely to be town

[bob3141]

VOTE: nomnomnom

Looks a little liek a naked vote whats your own reason for thing nom is scum

or are you just trying to start a bandwagon

[bob3141]

Since Nero has not yet given his reason for his naked vote aginst nom i think it was

VOTE: Nero

Also his post are making me uneasy. As though he posting all of his posts I can find amount to joke posts. Makes me feel doesnt want to be accused of lurking but still doesnt want to be drawn into any lynch related convos that would incriminate him

[bob3141]

Ive been reading through the forum and sky certainly does look alittle dodgy. Like nero Ive not realy seen sky many posts of actual substance. Though this is certainly a problem with day one so far.

Too me it does look like sky is reluctant to commit to scum hunting. She says things liek that could be lynch bait or he coudl be town. But looks more like scum trying to get out of postign by making running commentary

I dont know sky's meta so I can only go on what I see but without change she is certainly looking scummy to me. Sky who do you think is scum and why. Also what do you think of the otherr players. Also who is mostly strong looking like scum in your opinion, enough so you woudl vote for them

[bob3141]

Ill be keeping my Vote on nero for now until he actualy starts making posts that arnt just joke posts or posts that are very light.

[bob3141]

This discussion is pointless, this is all town, let's stop flooding the tread and allowing scum to lurk.

I very much agree with this. All these non scum huntign posts will hurt us in the long run. As we ar making it very easy for scum to hide

[bob3141]

Not realy ironic concidering i was reading through the chronological and as you say your last joke post was still after your vote for nom. And i never foudn post with your reasons for it. All I can find is forum post 148 but i dont have clue who your talking about.

If thats your reason for voting for nom. I happy to remove my vote on you as atleast ist a reason. Oh and can poeple reference who tehr refering too as it can make teh thread hard to follow

[bob3141]

Ill be keeping my Vote on nero for now until he actualy starts making posts that arnt just joke posts or posts that are very light.

This very robotic. He's ignoring the game and just sticking his fingers in his ears. Also no response to 155 so it feels like scum that just refuses to budge b/c he's getting no flak. I'd ask ppl to atleast comment on this but of course, no one is playing anyways

bob, sickofit, maybe buj team or performer?

Whats in your post was there even to answer.


I ask you reason as i couldnt directly see it and in you respond obstusely.

Your vote in 86 for nom had nothing near it. In fact you next post in any relation to that was. The one you claim i ignored. It looked like you trying to avoid the question.

[bob3141]

you say

Oh,no

then

you make a quote i cant find and i have no idea who it is too

and then you pick on fact i simply point out scum would rather not be tied down to vote record or any behavour record

[bob3141]

in 136 sick is asking all of us why we were voting nom.

in 143 I explain that I was RVS voting her or joining a RVS wagon or whatever you want to call it.

in 152 you voted me for not giving a reason.

In 155 I requoted 143 and told you it was my reasoning.

UNVOTE:

Thank you thats all i originaly asked for. Was that hard

You need to make in your posts more references to what it relates too. otherwise things get missed as how will anyone know that 143 regards to your nom vote otehr than sick

[bob3141]

Do y'all care to unpack your reasons

why you're voting her?

I feel like if it's an infowagon, there are better ones, but that may be just me

it's my RVS

, what are these better info wagons?

I mean, I'm quoting the question that I was being asked in the post that I'm responding to so I felt it was pretty obvious.

And I also felt like 155 was pretty obvious. I'm not certain that I believe that you honestly missed these posts although scum that knew why I was voting nom and intentionally ignoring 143 and 155 faces considerable backlash and that might not be a thing scum does. Am I just over thinking this?

Who is scum, Bob?

Dont forget I've only just started playing mafia on this site 5 days ago. So i think i can be forgiven for only just noticing that when you make quote it references the forum post it was from. You can imagine it migth be bit hard to find what your quote "my RVS" was refering too

Added to that i made all my posts as i read through the thread so hadnt got past page 3 at that point

What I dont get is why you did quote the hole of post 143.



(Will answer teh second bit in seperate post)

[bob3141]

The only real town fleeing I have is I feel that nom is town just due to how she went about defending axe when he was being pressured. It wasn’t like a scum trying to defend there scum partner but an absolute insistence that axe was town and that she would never consider voting for axe. So she must know something.

I just can't see scum doing something so blatant. So i am leaning towards both axe and nom being town.

[bob3141]

What I dont get is why you did quote the hole of post 143.

b/c I didn't think it mattered.

"it's my RVS" was the relative portion of the post that answers your question/proves you wrong.

"what are these better info wagons?" had nothing to do with what you asked and was directed @ sickofit.

I don't really understand why you care if I quoted the whole post.

What is your mafia experience?

about 8 games or so. one or two years ago. Some who played mafia games introduced them to a browser game with a small population (50 or so) and 15 or so of us played mafia games there for bit before people started to quit due to teh mismatch between teh pace differnt players played at. Some 1-2 posts a week and soem 10 a day

[bob3141]

That experince is why the few players that are lurkign are makign me uneasy. The games often resulted in a lurkign slugfest with 1/2 that were active either turnign on teh lurkers and them turnign out town or turnign on each other and it would turn out soem of the lurkers were mafia.

[bob3141]

No major scum feeling at the moment but that's mostly because i keep feeling uneasy about the lurkers and really want to hear more from them before deciding. I keep remembering in those last games i played where we lynched the active players and days end up dragging out to 30 plus days

Of those lurker can I can get bit of judge on (below)

I'm not liking the wizards roleblocker role claim. Can't tell from the stage in the game if the person was actually being serious. I can't think why a townie would rolecliam so early and unforced at that.

And then in post 167 it seems he just did a reactionary vote. Only 30 min after Axe’s post. I can't see him as town at the moment as i can't imagine a townie contributing so little yet being aware enough to react to being mentioned in someone’s scum list.
And then nothing until today were he just says something about who believes in lists. I can only assume he is referring to be listed as scum by axe again. Seems again a bit reactionary with no real reason why anyone shouldn’t think he is scum


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Cant see more than one post of substance were he says he thinks axe is town just because he posts a lot. Which is a bit meaningless as you can encounter mafia players that talk the most. One of my first games the guy who was an experienced player lead the entire town like a shepherd after i got Nk early. He was very critical of us after .

Feels very much like player wanting to be seen but not actually scum hunting. And thus be harder to place or could ultimately a lazy player.

[bob3141]

it seems to me you scumread wizard

This is exactly the sort thing im talking about. Poping up with a superficial comment just to make it look like your are contributing.


P.s. the last bit of my last post was about eve

[bob3141]

it seems to me you scumread wizard

This is exactly the sort thing im talking about. Poping up with a superficial comment just to make it look like your are contributing.


P.s. the last bit of my last post was about eve

you gave so much evidence for him being scum but didnt call him scum its just weird is all

It was kinda of implied. That i was leaning towards thinking wizard is scum.

[bob3141]

maybe we could give him a fanny new stick with a shocking crackle

[bob3141]

I still think we should lynch NotAnAxehole.

What is your reasoning for this statement and in fact your original vote. At best it looks like reactionary vote and at worst it looks like your trying to get rid of potential threat.


Both of which i just dont think a townie would do. Very much looking to me like your mafia


VOTE: wizard

[bob3141]

Do you think he's a scum roleblocker, Bob?

I think he was one of these possibilities. Scum joking about beign roleblocker, mafia role blocker using half truth or just scum false claiming roleblocker.

Mostly my vote for him is for his lurking and absence of any reasoning behind his push on axe. Although you are voting for him too atleast you have given reasons for your belief. Just to me looks like scum trying to lurk.

And axe is giving me town vibs. And teh relationship between nom and axe is givign me mason vibs, so I feel it would be unwise to lynch either of them day one. And scum would no doubt very much like to get rid of pair masons.

All that makes me feel wizard is scum

[bob3141]

well ealier before you unbvoted axe

[bob3141]

phone posting

im TRing axe/nom for reasons. I had Saudade as obvtown until i had a reason to TR them. i could be completely wrong on axe/nom if im reading too much into things but i dont think i am? im just really confused by my wagon cause all three seem so town

Feels a little like your trying to buddy up to all the players voting for you but at the same time trying to cast doubt on them being town just after you say you have town read them. And then you try to portray that this town on town. While again stating that all 3 seem so town to you. Seems a little inconsistent.

I feel even bit of appealing to emotion there as well. Say your confused as if you were town and getting why 3 townies are scum reading you so strongly

[bob3141]

I'm voting Evee b/c she's lurking and doing nothing but that applies to most of the game. Why does Axe give you town vibes? Axe has also claimed non-mason so either they aren't masons or they are and claiming not masons is some gambit. Also was kinda when he claimed I was pocketing you. Its prob a decent idea to flip one of them b4 lylo if we haven't found more than 1 scum yet and they haven't been nigtkilled.

It has as much to do as I said earlier, I just cant see scum being so insistent that the other one is town. As if one flipped mafia it would be inevitable that the other one would be lynched. Since neither one has called the other out for buddying. So i just dont feel that one could be mafia and the other town.

Doesn't preclude that its an elaborate bluff from two scum partners. Never been much of gambler

[bob3141]

i mean saudade is town for meta reasons, nom/axe are town for secret reasons. i feel like gamestate wise theres scum there but im not even going to try to sort them

axe/nom/saudade are very much not buddyable/p stubborn so id be better off

trying to counterwagon axe if i were scum so

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU TRIED TO DO!!!

Not only that but Skys last statement in that post is a bit moot.

Amount to someone saying scum would do X and since i havnt done X so I cant be. Which ignors the fact that if scum did y that doesnt preclude scum from saying that scum would have done X. Feels a bit aTe

[bob3141]

i still have yet to see any actual reason for why im scum lol

This just looks to me like scum just not knowing what to do. As if your desperatly trying to undercut the reason of those votign for you by saying there is no reason. All teh while you say those voting for you are town.

So why woudl you think nom,axe and saud are town if they woudl be voting for you based off no reason.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: sky[/unvote]

[bob3141]

VOTE: sky

[bob3141]

UNVOTE:

If sky is lying about his claim we can always lynch him d2. With that being likely if no one can confirm him day 2 by telling us they got messaged that he was town.

[bob3141]

Nero is obviously town.

Axe is obviously scum.

My town roleblocker claim is entirely serious.

Why did you roleclaim so early in day one. When we had barley got out of the rvs stage and there was no pressure on you. Just feels rather odd

[bob3141]

It's possible that scum has a roleblocker, and that Axe is inferring from his team having one that the town doesn't.

You've not yet said why you thought it would be good idea to make a roleclaim so erly day one. Infact it was your first post in the forum. 46

You say scum could have roleblocker that you think Axe could be a mafia roleblocker. But that does not remove the possibility that you, yourself are a mafia roleblocker.


And you have barley posted anything at all. Your only interactions with teh town have been to first roleclaim as a roleblocker. The next was to say you had town read on Rui but not why you thought that.

Then a vote on fumuki followed by a vote on axe when he pushed you on your lurking. Then 4 more posts all of which have been focused on axe.


Wizard firstly why did you vote in post 109 for fumuki and if was due to what others said what was it?
Secondly what is your view on the game as a hole? And what do you think of the different players, not just axe?

[bob3141]

I do wish wizard would respond. Was hoping to see some posts for him so we could get more info on if he is scum or not. Nothign worse than lurker turining out to be townie lurker

[bob3141]

So wizard what is your current view on the game over the two days you were traveling and all of it in general. As we realy havent heard much from you. And why did you do a unforced roleblocker claim day one.

[bob3141]

Although I very much would liek to hear from wizard on the varous issues I and other have raised. And that avoidance of such things would leave me feeling that wizard is actively lurking.

I am however, slightly unnerved at the speed of wizards bandwagon. From none to 4 so quickly. Especially that those voting for wizard moved from sky prety much as a block.

[bob3141]

VOTE: Wizard

For reasons previously mentioned. I just cant beleive wizard is telling teh truth about his role blocker claim. Every way I look at I just cant see a town roleblocker on his first post roleclaiming. And is what axe is saying is true about there cant possibly be roleblocker.

Ontop of that wizard has lurked the entire game. Nothing more than basic blank votes and short statements like his post 690. Which amount to saying Nero is town and axe is scum. Aswell as him confirming he actualy was entirly serous in his first post

[bob3141]

[quote="In post 1003,

What caused bob so much hesitation before rejoining the wagon the second time, either you trust that the wagon is town or you don't?[/quote]

Two fold, first I felt uneasy at the speed people switched from one to the other. Just looked like one or two mafia migth have simply hopped from one wagon to teh other. Secondly due to teh first and that I realy wanted wizzard a chance to defend himself. As there have been questions asked of him, that would atleast allow us to make a more informed choice.

But when it became clear he was just skulking back into lurking after posting that he was sorry for not posting. There was no reason to delay reapplying my vote any longer. Since I was clearly never going to get a response and as I said quite bit earlier I was reading wizard as scum


Not sure what you mean by slot but if its where im voting. Then i like to remind you that On those two wagons I voted at different times. And on wizards over night 4 votes appeared on him after sky claim. Then eve voted for him while I waited for wizard to reply to my questioning.

[bob3141]

You can only ketchup if you relish the time you have

Ive always found puns cringeworthy. Suprised you didnt go for

"You can only ketchup if you relish the thyme you have"

[bob3141]

Has wizard played many games of mafia in this forum before

[bob3141]

I keep getting the nasty feeling that wizards role claim was just an incredibly bad play but a play of town player none the less. However, that doesnt excuse his lack of actual scum hunting or any attempt to explain himself when questioned.

Just hope its not person that thinks the best way to start the day is to roleclaim. But a mafia player that thinks it will make him immune to a day one lynch.

@wizard, why did you role claim so early and who do you think is scum other than axe.

[bob3141]

I don't think wizard is scum though

So who do you think is scum then. As Ive not seen you post much, just enough to stop being proded to often.

You said you think performeer is scum in your post in your post 183, followed by your vote on him the next post. But what about his post made you though he was scum ( As in explanation/analysis you think he did ) And what do you think on him now as the game has progressed

[bob3141]

I don't love Bob's distance from both wagons, yet still supported both wagons with his vote. But for now I'm leaning more null/town)

How Was I distant from both wagons. The first wagon I was very much on and only postponed my verdict until day 2. As one way or anotehr we will be able to determine if he is telling teh truth


And with wizards wagon I am bit hesitant as there is danger that he is townie doing some dumb play. Although, at every turn he has failed to respond. I even tried to question him several times but he just ignored any attempt.

[bob3141]

I wouldnt lynch rui as to me he just looks liek low hanging fruit for mafia. Although he is lurking he does that as town aswell. Why i trying to get him to join so we can tell

[bob3141]

Corrected teh bad english a bit

I wouldnt lynch rui as to me he just looks like low hanging fruit for mafia to try and lynch. Although he is lurking he has done that as town. Why i tried to get him to join in, so we can tell his alignment

[bob3141]

Performer Im getting scum vibes from wizard but just keep getting the nagging feeling he is like Rui. Who doesnt respond to questioning and only posts often enough to not get replaced. So to me he is either scum or just a very bad townie

Im not liking Axes badgering. Cant tell if its just how he goes about it., when he think he is got his man or scum leading is in a merry dance. As I . But tommorrow we will no doubt get to hear the actual evidance axe has that wizard is lying about being town roleblcoker and that he couldnt possibly be town. As He is proceding with a level of certainity that woudl require him to have some sort of conclusive evidance. But I feel on balance he is just townie that is without convinced that wizard is scum and thus thinks anyone who doesnt agree with him must be scum

Nero is coming arcoss as town to me as he has been consistent with his scum hunting. With me not being able to find any fault with his reasoning. If he is chasing scummy townies or scum is another question. But most of his points have certainly been valid points of discussion. So i think he is town

Im not to confident that eve is town as although he is voting for the same person as me. His vote does look like . With his reason being little more than he wants a lynch and not taht he thinks wizard is the best candidate. In fact i cant find anywhere were he puts is reasoning for thinking wizard is scum. All i can find is eve saying wizard is scummier than axe and pointing out some of wizards counter calims against axe do not automatically mean axe is scum. Not sure if it is town sheeping or scum sheeping.

P.s lol i keep almost doing silly typo, were i miss an s in a certain word


I feel day 2 sky is scum unless some can vouch for him. As if no one does that means he must be lying about his roleclaim.

[bob3141]

mm Sky you say your a disloyal freindly neigbour rather than a loyal one. If you didnt want to say you were disloyal becuase it would make the role useless. Then why didnt you just say you were simply a freindly neigbour and miss out the disployal/loyal bit. And simply target some you think is scum. Without them knowing the disloyal/loyal part.



Since no one can confirm you and at worst we will get bjue as a confirmed townie.

VOTE: Sky

[bob3141]

Also since you claim disloyal sky. Can you explain your reasoning for sending your message to bjue

[bob3141]

She never said she was a loyal friendly neighbour?

Kind of assumed from her sayign today disloyal freidnly neigbour. That she must of claimed loyal or something.

Been 2 days sicne ive looked at the forum

[bob3141]

She never said she was a loyal friendly neighbour?

Kind of assumed from her sayign today disloyal freidnly neigbour. That she must of claimed loyal or something.

Been 2 days sicne ive looked at the forum

Your posts and votes feel like opportunism since the start and your latest reason to vote Sky was the proof of it.

If you flip as anything else than scum I will be shocked.

My reason for voting for sky is that no one can confirm it. And I plain just dont belive him

He as looking liek scum to me a start of yesterday and end yesterday (game day)

YOu however nom have just been jumping on what ever wagon axe does

[bob3141]

She never said she was a loyal friendly neighbour?

Kind of assumed from her sayign today disloyal freidnly neigbour. That she must of claimed loyal or something.

Been 2 days sicne ive looked at the forum

Your posts and votes feel like opportunism since the start and your latest reason to vote Sky was the proof of it.

If you flip as anything else than scum I will be shocked.

My reason for voting for sky is that no one can confirm it. And I plain just dont belive him

He as looking liek scum to me a start of yesterday and end yesterday (game day)

YOu however nom have just been jumping on what ever wagon axe does

Except Axe has been following my vote this time around, so you are mistaken.

If we lynch you and that you flip scum, she is basically confirmed as fn given your opportunistic vote, which basically hard solves the game for town and this is how we win.

You say my votes opportunistic yet they have follwed a path of reasoning. Whiel yesterdays were mostly that you agreed with axe

[bob3141]

You say my votes opportunistic yet they have follwed a path of reasoning

You used fake information to push a vote on sky and you outright lied about the game state to push that vote. Sky did not claim anything else than "friendly neighbor" yesterday, yet the reason for your vote is that she claimed loyal instead of disloyal.

That's opportunism.

There is a difference between lying and belivign something that isnt true. Reading back I dont get were I got loyal from as sky did "friendly neighbor". Some how after reading disloyal and then reading in the wiki what it and the opposite loyal meant. The incorrect fact that sky c;aimed loyal freidnly neigbout got stuck in my head.

Ive only ever played with teh game modifier liek insane and sane so had no clue what it meant.


However, it played little part in my chocie to vote sky and wasnt meant to promote his lynch. The Reason I vote for him is as I said , no one has confirmed him and i feel its just to convient.

[bob3141]

Was short of time so could only deal with one mafia game yesterday. Just for everyones info im normaly short of time wedsday to friday. As I only have just over an hour of free time. Think working days but long weekend

Will get caught up today if not tomorrow after work.

[bob3141]

I think some asked be what i think of rui. He is lurking since he always manages to post just before or just after he gets prodded. However, I do have feeling that he plays like this regardless if he is scum or town.

Which I do feel is a bit dangerous for the town. Yesterday I was kind of hoping he had forget about the game and would be replaced with someone more active

So he could be town resulting in a mislynch. Or he could be infact just scum trying to hide.

[bob3141]

eek thats allot of posts to catch up on ( 400 now thats allot)

This is certainly a different tepo to were I used to play. Some players were so bad they only posted once every 4 days.

[bob3141]

Oh and I do apologize if any of my posts aren't that legible. I often try and make my posts more concise than the original draft. Resulting in sentence getting glued together and the vestigial words that simply didn't get deleted. Not forgetting i often shift the perspective as I go along. I try to look at something at all angles but often it just makes my sentences a bit confused

[bob3141]

bob what's your read on me? Also, do you still think rui is lhf town?

not a serous point > strangely the first thing that comes to mind to me about you is a giant ? . I blame your avatar

Although I don't like the word read. I leaning towards you being town, as i just get the feeling from your posts of townie pondering the going just of side lines. Like a manager watching his team play (im very bad at analogies) .


I didn't like how you voted Rui day one. But can't exactly blame you as he is NAI lurking and even if he is town. It will certainly hurt us later if he doesn't post more or isn't replaced. As we could be later faced with a player that we have little information available to deduce whether he is scum or town simply due to the lack of his posts. Leaving him as either low hanging fruit for the mafia to exploit or a dead vote (dead vote like dead weight). And you post 601 doesn't make you vote look scum as it's not like you were die hard wanting him lynched. Felt more like a move either to get town lurker to talk or catch a scum that's trying to lurk

I just really wish Rui would post more.


though one thing

What does ihf mean. I don't know to many of the abbreviations that people use on this site. mafia scum wiki has some but cant find that one.

I have a experience with some bad lurkers like Rui in prior games on the other site (8 or so games). And I prob wasn't that great at posting often there myself. But still always tried to make few posts a day. Anything related to Rui meta can't talk about.

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In regard to my thoughts on page 47 (

My read on Axe was town leaning. As he reminds me sort of the player that introduced mafia to the small group i was i. But in the post I was uneasy if he was reminding me more of his scum meta or his town meta. His town meta was similar to how axe is pushing the lynch he finds most promising. Only i difference he would make big posts. The only problem with reading that player was that his town game and mafia game were very similar. Ever since him. I've always been suspicious when some plays as I call it the "town shepard". I always found the more a player badgers ( might be wrong word) others the more likely he is scum. Think more suspicious that i'm wrong on thinking he is town rather than suspicious of him being scum.

But apart from that judgement on axe was town leaning. As he has often called out things similar to what i was thinking. Like when he first prodded sky at the start of the thread.


And nero is coming across to me as town. Although he think some that I think are town are scum. His action to me do look like scum hunting with it just being a difference of opinion.


My read on eve is along the lines of my prior read on him during day one. I just get this slippery feeling from him. His vote on wizard felt to much like “oh well if you insist”. As if he was only voting for him to avoid no lynch even though the dead lien was still 3 days away. Said something along the lines that it would give the town info but not sure I can see anywhere where he though wizard might be scum.

The list wasn't everything, just what came to mind at that time. as I don't keep an actual list written dow. When playing mafia should i be keep word doc of people's action and what i think of them. Rather than keeping a running opinion that i use to make my judgements.


P.s. in one of eve posts i saw the abbreviation idk. What does that mean

[bob3141]

Just to be clear im neither town reading or scum reading Rui. I just feel this is how he plays regardless if he is town or mafia. Im just holding out a little longer too see if he gets replaced. Just dont want to premature lynch him when there is still a chance we migth get an active player instead.

[bob3141]

Not feeling good about voting sickofit, feels like nero is manipulating the gamestate

Have you got anythign more than that. One short sentance doesnt seem allot of 2 days

[bob3141]

Im starting to think rui is just going to keep as someone put it prodoging. And there i was hoping he would be replaced by tommorrow just before he psoted

[bob3141]

I would be against lynching axe today. As although NerfedBuJ flipped as VT rather than as Mason putting there 3 person masonry in question. It doesn't rule it out.

The question is what do we do?


We could lynch axe and have him flip mason with us then losing nom during the night. Which leaves us with at most one confirmed mason. (If there is a third). Losing any edge we might of had over the scum.

Or we could hope were right about them being masons and not just some massive scum gambit to get the town to lynch it self. And simply workout who is scum. As even if axe and nom are scum that still leaves a third person. As it certainly wasn't nerf and he did claim to be the 3rd mason.

If axe and nom aren't masons then where are the power roles as axe said earlier. And i for one am only vanilla townie

[bob3141]

tfw there are 3 dead players that have posted more recently than bob

Its not my fault Rui was lynched before i even looked at day 3. Day 3 started when i was asleep and ended before i got back from work

[bob3141]

I was gonna say that we should prob massclaim today but since Ev has already started us off popcorn to Bob?

I already claimed. Vanilla townie

[bob3141]

I just dont like how kid just jkeeps pushing on teh clear mason. He was doing it yesterday (day 3) and all of today. Even topped it up that looks like scum trying to look like an appeal for emotion by votign for oneself. To me looks liek desperate scum trying make us think he is town. Even in day 2 he was pushing for an axe/now lynch. for examaple in 1676 he was pushing for a lynch in "I like Axe/Nom/Eevee/Sick as todays lynchpool"

To me axe was always clearly a town mason after day 1. So i find it odd anyone would still push for there lynch even though it was obvous.




VOTE: kid

[bob3141]

bob is online, if we were both town there'd have been a quickhammer

Dont know about you but ive not been in the newyork forum section since this morning when I was looking at my other game.

I tend to leave countless tabs open on my browser simply beacuase i forgot to close them. If you ever see me online it prob just means im afk

[bob3141]

As i see it we have 7 players alive

Sicne i know i am town from my point of view only 1 of eve, nero, roster and sky can be town.

From my point of view it comes down to who do i think is most likely town. And by process of elimination all others must be scum

Looking back through teh game I am inclined to believe eve pr roel claim of skys. As I always felt sky was lying

looking back at eve posts in relation to his claim makes me belaive he is town. Thus all other must be scum

Although I was town reading nero, his constant pushs on axe day 1 and day 2 always made me feel uneasy. As why would town player keep pushing clear masons. As eitehr it could get mason lynched that only benfits scum or end forcing them to out themselves by confirming peoples beliefs

And i belive eve being town over rooster simply because eve has been onless mislynches

VOTE: sky[/sky]

[bob3141]

sorry for any typos and spelling mistakes. shoudl of typed out on word

VOTE: sky

[bob3141]

As why would town player keep pushing

clear masons

isn't this a slip here? town (like me, Buj and Kid) are gonna have healthy skepticism to masons. Scum knew the masons were clear.

I don't really understand why we aren't lynching Bob here.

There is a difference between a healthy skepticism and trying to get them lynched. Nom and axe were dropping mason tells all over the place and i could reckonize them as when i was mason on my prevous site I made those same mistakes. Got my self flagged up as a Mason resulting in me being outed early. yet some player still pushed for my lynch that day and at teh end of teh game they half turned out to be scum. Got nk the following night.

Since im not as experience as others on this site I cant see why the others would spot those same tells. And give the obvous mason nom and axe wide berth as it does not help us to either force our mason to out themselves early or worst of all get one mis lynched. Majorly hurting us,

[bob3141]

There is plenty of point in bussing today but OK.

b/c Bob seems like he would be the EZ push and he's not getting pushed so he's prob scum.


And that's what occams says.

Thats bit of logical falsey. First I am infact being pushed by everyone apart from eve.

And who has been the most vocal for my lynch.

In fact you saying no one is pushing this lynch is in fact pushing that lynch. Posted after you have many statements advocating for my lynch.

[bob3141]

There is a difference between a healthy skepticism and trying to get them lynched.

You do realize that there was also confirmed town that was pushing him right?

Why is it so hard to believe that town me was skeptical of the claim b4 performer's death confirmed them? By your logic buj and kid are both scum, then how come they flipped town?

Thats bit of logical falsey. First I am infact being pushed by everyone apart from eve.

And who has been the most vocal for my lynch.

In fact you saying no one is pushing this lynch is in fact pushing that lynch. Posted after you have many statements advocating for my lynch.

ppl calling you scum=//=wagon.

Maybe there is no wagon because you're scum team is waiting for either nom, axe or eve to vote for me so you can quicklynch me so you can win the game.

And since you are claimalso that sky is scum yet haven't voted for him is telling as it looks to me like you don't want to hammer you scum partner.

As there are 3 votes on sky and I know i am town that means sky can't possibly anything but scum in mind as why hasn't scum hammered him.

The only possibilities is either that sky is scum or the impossible because from my perspective I know Im town and sure eve is town. And that is that all those voting for sky must be scum as why wouldn't he of been hammered. As it only takes one townie to vote for him

Therefore, sky is scum and your his scum buddy.

[bob3141]

As I always felt sky was lying

and yet you never said anything about it.

tbf, you never said much about most of the game.

In fact I did but I got wagoned. Didnt help somehow him saying disloyal made me think he had said loyal neigbour without double checking it. I was think about it eh at the same time i was think about somethign else. Something about loyal cat.

[bob3141]

a slight correction "loyal kitty" I was think about someting silly at work

[bob3141]

In post 2482, bob3141 wrote:
Although I was town reading nero, his constant pushs on axe day 1 and day 2 always made me feel uneasy. As why would town player keep pushing clear masons. As eitehr it could get mason lynched that only benfits scum or end forcing them to out themselves by confirming peoples beliefs


and this is trash reasoning. I keep telling him that town DID push Axe but he keeps ignoring it b/c he needs a reason to call me scum.

Just because 2 players that pushed axe died flipped down does not mean you are. In fact you were teh architect of teh whole push. Starting right after I posted that nom defense of axe made me feel they coulnt be mafia as they woudl never defend so brazenly. And you started talking about how they could be scum fake soft claiming masons


P.s. dont know how to break up a quote. So did 2 different bits

[bob3141]

Also on my activity. Just because some players just post a silly amount doesnt mean some who makes less is not talking much. I always go for less but longer posts and no shit posting

[bob3141]

I mean, TBF

mm Sky you say your a disloyal freindly neigbour rather than a loyal one. If you didnt want to say you were disloyal becuase it would make the role useless. Then why didnt you just say you were simply a freindly neigbour and miss out the disployal/loyal bit. And simply target some you think is scum. Without them knowing the disloyal/loyal part.



Since no one can confirm you and at worst we will get bjue as a confirmed townie.

VOTE: Sky

So you sorta called her a liar but then you just kinda drop it.

Also, I found it a little funny that he joined the kid wagon b/c he didn't like how Kid voted Axe so he's basically saying "ok I was wrong b4 but this time I'm right, Nero is the scum that pushed Axe."

Also, he's saying that he didn't like how I was pushing Axe but he was town reading me the whole time and its just now that he's calling me scum. The fuck?

Mm i felt embarrassed about my what i was thinking about that entailed "loyal kitty" got me mixed up in this game. And day 2 ended early anyway so there was no chance for me too. As i was trying to get rui to talk first but everyone just lynched sick several days early. Then people quick lynched rui without waiting atleast a few more days to see if he ended up getting replaced.

Oh i was wrong about kid but he did look scummy to me. Im hardly the only one that can be accused of being wrong. We have had 4 mislynchs so far and I do hold some blaime as I was in 2 of them.

I was town reading you yes, but if you read my original post on day 5. I said i believed eve pr claim. And since I know I am town, if eve is town all other must be scum. So in hindsight what i was reading in you could very easily be scum playing town exceedingly well

[bob3141]

I mean, its a fallacy. If your argument is "only scum push the mason" me pointing out that "hey, there were town that pushed him" it's just disproving your argument.

And you started talking about how they could be scum fake soft claiming masons

Well yeah, town don't actually know they are masons, scum do. That's why I think you are scum b/c you were so confident that they were masons and that's just not something town knows.

That is a logical falacy. What you saying is that only scum wouldnt blindly chase masons. And that any town player woudl just think they are scum and not reckonize their Mason tells.

Rathe tahn town reckonizing hey these 2 guys are bit of boon to town, it would be stupid to chase them to teh extend where they have to confirm that they are masons. So that scum dont kill them resulting with us having confirmed townies at lylo rather than them being nk. After all its better me and my fellow vanillia townies got nk instead

[bob3141]

i can get behind a lynch for rooster as he has been on every lynch so far and If eve is telling teh truth about beign a town motion detector then nero coulnt of made the nigth killand i know i am town and axe is a mason

VOTE: Rooster

[bob3141]

literally every one of neros posts are genuine and town. the only reason i held doubt was cause bob lurked the entire game

You are aware that i big posts and i almost never post in twilight.

My two biggest account for like 1000 words and your

[bob3141]

You are aware that i make big posts rather than loads of small ones and i almost never post in twilight.

My two biggest account for like 1000 words. I reckon if you count all words in our post minus words ins hit post in twlight they will be atleast about teh same

[bob3141]

infact im prety confident eve I have infact posted more than you but in less posts.

[bob3141]

VOTE: nero

[bob3141]

nero i was town reading you to make axe attack you

[bob3141]

Nero i though axe was just playing aswell and was just going to vote for me not you.

How did i make to the end. I was teh sacrifise

[bob3141]

my post were focused on creating a nero axe fight all game. I actualy forgot about interacting with rooster woops

my vote on sky was a massive scum slip caused by me getting two thoughts mixed up at work when i was strategizing my play in reaction to sky claiming disloyal. I was meant to be scummy to collapse the sky vote but majorly overshooted

[bob3141]

10/10 would roll scum w bob and Sky again

same here

[bob3141]

Near the start of the game i realised that the game would be won by getting nero and axe to end game. Cant beleive I was actualy right.


If you look back at some of my answers I was deliberately trying fit anything in that might subtly inflame the situation between axe and nero. I do hope it had some effect on how things played out.

[bob3141]

Well, its a call you have to make so you can justify your poor endgame play.

I mean the thing you have to understand is that players not in the know the see two scummy players claim mason are going to have it in the back of their minds that those players are scum and I don't feel like you could really comprehend that.

Could I have played better? sure but I think most of the town can say that.

Evee was lurking early and in hindsight that was just town pr play.

I forgot why Sky was getting pushed d1. Bob getting pushed on d2 for lying but when he lied on d1 no one gave a shit and I don't blame myself for questioning the wagon. I thought Ruirui was lurky and scummy and honestly, I don't blame myself there. Kid was kinda dumb, I was initially town reading him and I never should have gone back on him. I think Evee and Nom played well down the stretch and town nearly pulled this off if it wasn't for you.

I actualy never lied, that the thing. They were just mess ups I would have likely made as town.

That day one vote thing was me genuinely making the post after only reading upto page 3 and The next day i actual started reading from page 6 forgeting to actual look at pages 4 and 5. If I had been town I would have made the same post.

And i was lying in the day 2 thing with sky vote as it was just a slip. As i never checked what sky actual claimed before making teh post. And I was think of my response knowing he would claim disloyal. But Loyal got stuck in my head partial due to it being mentioned prior. Causing me to get mixed when my thought proccess was broken up by something at work. We dont need go into it but lets just say it was a long the lines of someone was ridiculously behaving like "loyal" cat.

You will see that nero vote and sky vote were both on wednesday. More precisely ever other wednesday.

[bob3141]

my softs probably could have been better but i was hoping scum would think im a more powerful pr than i was or get a protective role on me if there was any.

what did scum think of my softs if they noticied them btw?


also i should try hosting sometime but it feels like alot of work xD

oh i noticed your softs. Though you were weak power role stretching your results to far. Thinking people were town based on your nigth action but no realizing that although they were town you results gave you no evidence eitehr way.

[bob3141]

I scummly joined the sky wagons for the very purpose of keeping nero and a few others away. Dont know if it was acheived but day 1, 2 I was trying to make you think i was nero scum buddy and make nero think i was yours.

[bob3141]

sky came up with the friendly neighbour. My part was simply pushign skys wagon to l-1 so that the timing of skys claim would be beleived