Mini 2087 - Surprise Mafia - Game Over

[Cojones Kickers]

I mean, I know this isn’t Saturday night

But let’s get this party started

VOTE: NMSA

we’re both no. 2 in that list

There can only be one

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

You say that like it’s a bad thing

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

also, I’m V/LA until the 21st prob the 26th and Clarity is away until Thursday

I’m normally p active on V/LA tho, so shouldn’t be an issue

[Cojones Kickers]

Did I mention that I’m 3/3 in my games so far btw?

[Cojones Kickers]

This is all Menalque if that’s not clear

[Cojones Kickers]

Why don’t u like hydras my man

Is it that thing we do where we make eye contact with one eye from each head? I heard that makes some people nauseous

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

Well, there's that.

But also, tough enough for me to read one person let alone two.

I’m like, really really easy to read though

So you don’t need to worry about that here

For example: what’s your read on me right now?

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

Well that was easy lol

VOTE: arcfield

[Cojones Kickers]

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

I mean, I know this isn’t Saturday night

But let’s get this party started

VOTE: NMSA

we’re both no. 2 in that list

There can only be one

-M

how do you feel about 7's, since 7 is a sort of almost upside down 2 if you squint really hard?

Listen, so long as 7s keep to their own business we’re gonna be fine

Don’t you need to be more worried about the double 0s anyway?

[Cojones Kickers]

I am gonna go out on a limb, rvs?

(It’s actually lowkey serious)

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

I think the fact arcfield decided to ignore the interaction going on in the thread and just blank sheep the wagon is mildly scum indicative

[Cojones Kickers]

As in, I’m not saying arc is defo scum

But I think arc has done the scummiest thing so far

So we should all vote there

Sheep me, mortals

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

Everyone else was voting before any interaction

It was just a raw vote or a pithy RVS comment

Then drew and I started talking but instead of commenting on that interaction or making a vote related to it, you just can either in and steeped the main wagon up to that point

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

Also don’t think you feeling the need to get this defensive this early on is a good look for you

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

Like, I think town just ignores me here because they’re not worried about it picking up traction

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

We haven’t

I think he’s scum but I can’t explain why because of ongoing games

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

Bc arc is prob scum

Why don’t we all vote arc instead

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

but I can’t explain why because of ongoing games

In the future it's preferable to not say things like this

Is there anything arc is doing ~in this game~ that makes you think scum

It’s literally in the rules as what’s acceptable to say

And yes, have you read literally any of my posts? He pinged me by ignoring early interactions and blank voting

[Cojones Kickers]

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

Poncho, are you an alt?

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

I don’t see what you’re seeing about drew, talk me through it?

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

Boy, sure would be nice if Strange Brew wanted to play this game

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

I don't think RX strange brew goes for the hammer there if he's scum and knows that people are going to vote to lynch right after

Apart from the fact that I’m p sure the head of the hydra that did that was FL who entirely would do that as scum then hide behind this logic

Also has an admittedly pretty warranted confidence in his ability to talk his way out of a lynch

The hammer was objectively antitown bc it cut off all discussion or ability to make better informed reads

VOTE: strange brew

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

What does popcorn style mean?

[Cojones Kickers]

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

Why is popcorn the best way of doing claims here

[Cojones Kickers]

I think at least on scum would be voting but be off the wagon. That leaves us with CL and Dr. Drew. IMO, CK has been scummier than Drew VOTE: Cojones Kicker

This almost makes sense but it doesn’t because there was no reason to think the wagon was gonna go through that early in the day

[Cojones Kickers]

Also @drew I never got the chance to reply yesterday but I wasn’t defending you I just don’t see how your play there was scummy

[Cojones Kickers]

It is important that we get everyone to claim where they voted last night

Hmm

[Cojones Kickers]

All -M

[Cojones Kickers]

Why would you not make strange brew claim next tho

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

I think the best way is making the scummiest slot go first and then collectively picking someone to go second, with popcorn from there being okay

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

It is important that we get everyone to claim where they voted last night

Hmm

Subtle shade noted btw

There's no downside to claiming and there are upsides

Lmao that that’s what you think I’m saying

[Cojones Kickers]

Also your argument for strange brew being scum still doesn't acknowledge that there was a voting phase ehere he couldn't slip out of anything, which I talked about on the last page

Not a good luck when you're ignoring info to keep pushing instead of reassesing

Or better explanation he knew that hammering would bring us into a low info voting stage where the odds of a mislynch were still good, probs partly counting on your shitty logic that seems to be prevalent onsite that if someone does something objectively antitown that’s blatant then it’s too obvious for it to be scum so it should be forgiven

I mean you realise that’s exactly what scum rely on to play antitown moves right

[Cojones Kickers]

Also even if it was to get him killed it would give two dead town to one scum with v little info, aka a gamestate primed for manipulation which still benefits scum

[Cojones Kickers]

Why would you not make strange brew claim next tho

-M

I made it pretty clear that I don't scumread strange brew - that's your read

Then either your reads are bad or you’re scum

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

I think the way to go here is strange brew followed by dunn

We should finish claiming out tho, byt strange brew should be next not voyc

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

What is up my guys

[Cojones Kickers]

Poncho, are you an alt?

-M

yea

has your other hydra head looked at the game yet?

Yeh she has

[Cojones Kickers]

I'm wondering if there's any benefit to getting everyone who voted Arcfield to claim and then having everyone else come out with their votes afterward

Talk me through this homeboi

[Cojones Kickers]

Why am I in this thread and not seeing a strange brew at L-1?

[Cojones Kickers]

All -M

[Cojones Kickers]

HOW DO WE SOLVE THIS GAME?

[Cojones Kickers]

CK had a pretty townie iso imo, I agreed with their Arc vote at the time and I liked their initiative for town.

I found it awkward and lamist

I’m an awkward kinda guy chum

[Cojones Kickers]

I think the way to go here is strange brew followed by dunn

We should finish claiming out tho, byt strange brew should be next not voyc

-M

Also stop trying to take control of things

Voyc should claim next

Yeh bc you’re definitely not trying to do that in a way that benefits the person who has done the objectively scummiest thing in the game

[Cojones Kickers]

Stranger brew should claim next

[Cojones Kickers]

I'm wondering if there's any benefit to getting everyone who voted Arcfield to claim and then having everyone else come out with their votes afterward

gonna be real wit u chief i feel like thats a horrible idea

Why?

[Cojones Kickers]

“Keep pushing that” way to misrep

I mentioned you + strange brew scum twice, and only once as an actual thing

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

Also your argument for strange brew being scum still doesn't acknowledge that there was a voting phase ehere he couldn't slip out of anything, which I talked about on the last page

Not a good luck when you're ignoring info to keep pushing instead of reassesing

Or better explanation he knew that hammering would bring us into a low info voting stage where the odds of a mislynch were still good, probs partly counting on your shitty logic that seems to be prevalent onsite that if someone does something objectively antitown that’s blatant then it’s too obvious for it to be scum so it should be forgiven

I mean you realise that’s exactly what scum rely on to play antitown moves right

Also even if it was to get him killed it would give two dead town to one scum with v little info, aka a gamestate primed for manipulation which still benefits scum

Did u just like not read this when you said I ignored your thing about the voting stage

Or r u just misrepping again?

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

CK had a pretty townie iso imo, I agreed with their Arc vote at the time and I liked their initiative for town.

I found it awkward and lamist

Also hmm

[Cojones Kickers]

Voyc
Omochao
Momo
Elastic plastic
Ponchomonkey
Dunn

NM
Drew
Strange brew

[Cojones Kickers]

This is where I’m at

I’ve come round to Dunn is town but just bad but kinda depends on my PoE being right re:NM

Drew has got excellent odds of being scum mechanically, but strange brew has done the worst move

Happy to lynch either out of drew and strange brew

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

Drew has got excellent odds of being scum

mechanically

Go on...

Look up the wiki article on “flailing” and check the scum improvement rate on people using that term

[Cojones Kickers]

Not sure how you can "poe" anything right now

We need more people to come in and actually play the game they signed up for

How confident are you in reads on Voyc through Ponchomonkey?

Not very?

But that’s where I’m at now based on the info we have so far

[Cojones Kickers]

Also yeah 2-8 isn’t great but again that’s a worse case perspective for them, 3-7 probably looks like it’s worrh the risk of the quick hammer esp when it’s so within FL’a meta and he’s as good as talking as he is

Like I still think the objectively right play here is to lynch him

But he’s really good at getting in my head so I feel less sure now

Which equally makes me think lynch him is rationally a better idea

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

Oh, Kickers is Menalque. Neat.

~FL

I was gonna say I was a lil hurt when you called me annoying FL

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

Who was talking about claiming?

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

@dunn I wasn’t pushing it as literally anyone can see by looking at my ISO

Stop misrepping

Also I genuinely don’t understand how you don’t think the hammer was scummy

I can understand thinking it’s too scummy for scum

I mean, I think that’s a bad way of looking at it but k

But actually trying to say it’s not scummy so just wow

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

I still think strange brew should go ahead of me

nice to see that you're abandoning popcorn when it suits you

[Cojones Kickers]

oh, I forgot that

yeah, I voted arc

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

oh yeah, popcorn to drew

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

This head just came out of recovery

I'll catch up tomorrow when I'm not so short on sleep.

- CC

[Cojones Kickers]

nice to see that you're abandoning popcorn when it suits you

interesting take when someone just refuses to participate in the system?

Do you mean me or?

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

Dunn, voyc, strange brew and me have already gone

Hydras, fucking hell

[Cojones Kickers]

Well, there's that.

But also, tough enough for me to read one person let alone two.

I’m like, really really easy to read though

So you don’t need to worry about that here

For example: what’s your read on me right now?

-M

Your seem qenuine, like you aren't trying to bullshit me. Also most hydra heads get defensive when I say I don't like them, you kind of rolled with the punches.

Nothing substantial in his iso and I just don't really see his questions going anywhere. Attempts at interaction seem more like filler/trying to give off the impression of doing something when in reality its pretend scumhunting.
Tho its just the 3rd page soo everything with the exception of those questions I can understand

But thats probably just being me reading too much into things so ye

Why discredit yourself?

I agree with Dunn....if feel you have something don't necessarily doubt yourself because someone else disagrees, even if it is early. I will say that Cojones being so quick to defend me makes me raise an eyebrow or two.

And in a bit of self defense, there was very little early game randomness so I was just trying to do some stuff to push the game forward.

VOTE: ck

I will support this.

VOTE: Cojones

Talk me through your progression on my slot incl the night vote drew

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

wait CK, aren't you a hydra

Yeh, why?

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

Sorry about the prod

Basically was going to pop in and ask what CK already did about dr Drew's progression on his slot

@CK why is momo pretty high up on your list?

I liked post 77 and 98 seemed like good logic plus fits with my read on drew

[Cojones Kickers]

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

Higazer

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

Why should you have not voted? Why are you unhappy with having night voted me if you now think I’m scum?

Also, go on

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

Why would you think not voting and letting other town make a decision about who to kill would be better? Also why would you not be happy that your random vote was vindicated by my play today?

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

[quote="In post 213, Doctor Drew[/quote]
As far as my vote today on you, you may point to every wiki about flailing you want,

but all this points to scum imo.

[/quote]

I mean, I can and I will

You know what it says?

It says players calling town scum have a 64% improvement rate above random of being scum

So I’m feeling p good about you being scum

Also, go on (see bold)

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

I feel like CC not really posting at all is scum indicative. I might end up voting there tbh

I mean (1) she has posted (2) she had an operation so I don’t think that’s exactly scum!indicative???

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

I mean, we’re voting for you strange brew

Idk this game is just fucking boring and it seems like no one actually cares which is making it hard for me to care

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

@crrature did you have a read on strange brew other than thinking the hammer is NAI?

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

I think the hammer was poor play and antitown and I want it lynched, but I think everyone else is gonna give it a pass due to “lol that’s just FL” logic and prob the fact that you’re both big names

But if that’s not gonna happen I can lynch drew or omochao at this point

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

Was hoping that creature joining might kick it into something worth playing but I guess not

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

Why?

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

VOTE: momo

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

I vored Arc

We’re not that kind of forum

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

@creature

I thought a momo wagon would get the game going, didn’t think someone would hammer while I was asleep

are lolhammers common from A50?

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

Drew is entirely scum here

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

I have been neglecting this game

So omochao died

Still think it’s drew but I’m not gonna vote him until I actually read

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

I’m fine with switching to CKbtw, who is conveniently MIA rn. Fun fact: CK has either voted for or sr all of the dead townies.


@Creature, what is your read on Voyc, CK?

Jfc, give me a break. My hydra partner is mia, I’ve been overgamed, I jusy got done losing as scum, I’m basically out of fucking money and no one is hiring because it’s summer, and it’s my one of my best friends’ stag do tomorrow

I will get to the game

I just need a couple of days and it’s been dead enough that I didn’t think a turbo lynch was in the works

I’ve been kind of avoiding here because it requires actual thought to try and figure it out as opposed to playing as scum

For instance: I’m gonna prob need to reread the whole game to try and sort your slot bc at this point i really don’t know if this is coming from scum!you or town!you

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

I’m fine with switching to CKbtw, who is conveniently MIA rn. Fun fact: CK has either voted for or sr all of the dead townies.


@Creature, what is your read on Voyc, CK?

Jfc, give me a break. My hydra partner is mia, I’ve been overgamed, I jusy got done losing as scum, I’m basically out of fucking money and no one is hiring because it’s summer, and it’s my one of my best friends’ stag do tomorrow

I will get to the game

I just need a couple of days and it’s been dead enough that I didn’t think a turbo lynch was in the works

I’ve been kind of avoiding here because it requires actual thought to try and figure it out as opposed to playing as scum

For instance: I’m gonna prob need to reread the whole game to try and sort your slot bc at this point

i really don’t know if this is coming from scum!you or town!you

-M

We both know why this is transparent bullshit but thanks for the scumclaim.

Fuck off maybe Nancy?

[Cojones Kickers]

Yeah I’m sticking to my initial read, strange brew is scum here

They wee scum for the shit hammer before and they’re scum for the shit push now

Both -M

[Cojones Kickers]

I'd say I am moaning town is about to throw another game.

[Cojones Kickers]

So, we obviously cannot get any soft clears here. OK. Carry on.

VOTE: Ck

Unless anyone wants to make a case against this lynch.

I believe the VC is something like:

Cojones Kickers (3): Skygazer, Rx Strange Brew, Almost50,
Rx Strange Brew (1): Creature,

Not Voting (4): Doctor Drew, Voyc, Dunnstral, Cojones Kickers,

But do not quote me on it

. Double check or wait for an official VC if in doubt.

I’d like to make a case against this lynch

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

But seeing as we have 6 days and some friends are still in town for my friend’s stag, that’s gonna have to wait until tonight/tomorrow as it’ll take effort and I haven’t seen some of them in ~2 years

-M

[Cojones Kickers]

VOTE: Ck

Lmao y’all are way off base on creature + voyc