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LETS DO THE HAMMER TESTShow"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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Ok. After rereading Day 1 slowly, I think this is my breakdown of the game and that Kop is definitely scum. I think FB might be the buddy.
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Skitter is confirmed town due to her hammertest. If she is scum and didn't hammer for whatever reason, we have already lost so this might all be for nothing anyway.
Based off what we know, I think the setup is TA + 2-shot Friendly Neighbor vs 1-shot Roleblocker + Goon. I think Kop is lying about his mailman ability entirely since it has now been 2 nights where we have not seen him confirm himself. I think the roleblocker is 1-shot because that matches up with the Friendly Neighbor being limited shot. Additionally, the EV math on 2 confirmed townies (Friendly Neighbor/IC and TA) against 2 scum in a 9 person setup is still only ~33% (scroll down to according to the 9p setups with 2 innocents). I am treateing Traffic Analyst as a confirmed innocent for the purpose of this argument. In my limited experience designing setups, I think including a full roleblocker skews the EV too hard into scum's favor. Even with a 1-shot roleblocker, I still think that the EV is scumsided.
When we get to the claim itself, Oka had been at the precipice of death for days. He made it out by not claiming (at which point meant he is a VT). I think Kop realized that he would need to claim something in order to weather that storm once the pressure moved onto him. By the time he started crumbing both Oka and myself had just moved onto his wagon and the wagon swelled to L-2. I also find it odd how he said that he accepted his lynch because that was the consensus everyone wants, but then when asked to self-hammer he said he wouldn't.
Then we get to the matter of CFJ dying the first night. Kop conveniently claims that he visited CFJ the same night CFJ dies. I think Kop claiming to visit CFJ was to protect himself against a tracker potentially existing in the setup, that way his "role" could be confirmed and it would not immediately out him as scum for lying. Remember the EV thing I said earlier? About the setup still being scumsided? CFJ even pointed out a similar setup with a tracker being deemed normal, but swingy involving a TA + Tracker vs 2 goons. The scumteam could have been scared that a TA + Tracker + 2-shot Friendly Neighbor vs a 1-shot RB + Goon was the setup. From a scum perspective, that makes sense to try to "coincide" night actions so that at least the targets are believable. Hiding in plain sight. It also helps that CFJ did not fully believe Kop's role and said that it would sort itself out later. The language CFJ used in regards to Kop's role seems very skeptical and pretty much implies that CFJ was only letting Kop live because of the role itself.
Then we get to the fact that Temporal died the night he did, as opposed to the first night. Why not just kill him the first night and try to use your RB elsewhere? I think because scum was worried CFJ would gun for Kop the moment Kop's role was not confirmed. CFJ was just nommed for a title called Microprocessor because of how involved he is with Micro games. Particulary Micro,normalgames. Anyone notice the title of this game? I would bet that scum killed CFJ for a combination of being on the right track (heh) by suspecting Kop and probably being able to create conftown through setup analysisalone. We were already a single step away from a massclaim.
But the Temp kill interests me beyond just being "oh he was a power role". Temp came into the announcing that he was 1) roleblocked and 2) attempted to target Firebringer. Additionally, Temp had been public about his not liking Kop for his hammer on Dunn. A PR that suspects both scum? That has to die from any scum point of view. That is why I think Temp died the night he did. From looking through Temp's iso, he seems to believe that Kop is town due to the mailman claim and that is pretty much it. Additionally, Temp had announced suspicion of both Oka and FB. It is possible that scum did not want to kill Temp the first night because they didn't think he was that accurate and thus not a threat. Once he claimed on Day 2, Temp, from a Kop + FB team, had to be eliminated.
If I had gotten mail, I would probably not being going after Kop. FB + Oka have pretty awful wagon interactions from my glance through their ISOs, but when I did not get mail today that pretty much confirmed Kop after I thought about the setup.
FB I think makes sense as scum after that hammer. That hammer was awful. It came out of nowhere and stunted town discussion tremendously. He didn't even wait for a claim. I can see scum doing that fearing another power role lurking to avoid getting nightkilled.
I am going with my gut that Oka is town. The emotion and the effort that he exerted casing Temp look really townie after rereading Day 1. I admit he did get paranoid and very wagon happy after his dissipated, but I think that was symptom of pretty much everyone saying that his case was correct, but that did not mean Temp was scum. That would have driven me bonkers too.
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For the record, I think hammer testing FB is a bad idea. I think hammer testing Kop is also a bad idea. FB has a recent scum game finished (Guns and Roses II) so I am going to look to see if there are any similarities.-
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Well nominally i could be scum with kop, to be technicalIn post 1879, Oversoul wrote:Skitter is confirmed town due to her hammertest. If she is scum and didn't hammer for whatever reason, we have already lost so this might all be for nothing anyway.ShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx-
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Tbf i dont think i ever self-hammer in that situation, so i'm not sure that's a reason to scumread himIn post 1879, Oversoul wrote:also find it odd how he said that he accepted his lynch because that was the consensus everyone wants, but then when asked to self-hammer he said he wouldn't.ShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx-
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It's awful, sure, not sure its ai for him at all thoIn post 1879, Oversoul wrote:FB I think makes sense as scum after that hammer. That hammer was awful. It came out of nowhere and stunted town discussion tremendously. He didn't even wait for a claim. I can see scum doing that fearing another power role lurking to avoid getting nightkilled.ShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx-
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I think it's a bad idea to hammertest really anyone tbh
I think i'm ok with lynching kop todayShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx-
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what is everyones scum teams right now?
cause I am thinking oversoul/kop.
Oversoul, what is ur team?Show"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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Kop/okaShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx-
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You basically said the same thing when i thought it was you/nsg, so long as i didnt vote u firstShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx-
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It was the first paragraph of my post dude. First paragraph.In post 1879, Oversoul wrote:Ok. After rereading Day 1 slowly, I think this is my breakdown of the game and that Kop is definitely scum. I think FB might be the buddy.-
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Really? I think self-hammering is the town thing to do objectively. Or else we end up here in Lylo with all our unaswered questions from the first day.In post 1881, skitter30 wrote:
Tbf i dont think i ever self-hammer in that situation, so i'm not sure that's a reason to scumread himIn post 1879, Oversoul wrote:also find it odd how he said that he accepted his lynch because that was the consensus everyone wants, but then when asked to self-hammer he said he wouldn't.-
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i wouldn't hammer myself
tbf i'm also like never in that situation eitherShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx-
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i've only been mislynched as town twice, both in lylo, both while i was vla
i get run up sometimes, but i'm very good at talking my way out of itShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx-
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i'll let kop give any last words before i voteShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx-
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i was in a bunch of lylos for a while but then i was nk'd a bunch of times; this is the third lylo i've been in in the last month or so, which is a lot for me recentlyShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx-
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my point is that who you suspected changedShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx-
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