Normal 222: Black Versus White Mafia (Endgame)

[PenguinPower]

So, what did VD do last night? Don't think he's posted yet today.

[PenguinPower]

woo!

[PenguinPower]

but not when you were the un cc'd Tracker, for 2 whole nights.

Rick claimed D2, Chick claimed D3 and Rick retracted, we're in D4.

Did I miss something there?

Pretty sure I claimed it Day 1.

Nah - it was D2: viewtopic.php?p=11202755#p11202755

[Lil Uzi Vert]

So, what did VD do last night? Don't think he's posted yet today.

He might’ve site flaked too.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I just briefly skimmed Mumble’s games and I don’t see you as a player in any of them PP. Which games gave you a feel for his play style and/or skill level?

[PenguinPower]

There are a subset of users I am familiar with for reasons.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Ah. I think I get your drift.

[Titus]

I think RD and SS are fake. Ninja with one tracker is ok. Enabler plus ninja with a tracker, no.

[The Fonz]

Ugh. So I spent an hour long train ride writing a big post on my phone, then I hit submit, it ninja'd, and then my browser crashed losing it all.

Cliffnotes version:

Mumble's claim is SO bad I'd be shockyed if any competent scumteam let him make it over the much strategically better "I protected Roster" claim. But shooting chick over the unprotectable and also nearly confirmed VD seems an unnecessary risk unless scum either knew Mumble wouldn't protect, or there's no ninja.

I don't see a world in which Rick and Mumble/replacement are both town. Leaning Mumble atm. I just remembered that the

other

BG died on a night when Rick was the only claimed PR, which makes Rick look better and Mumble slot worse.

[Titus]

VLA through Thursday

[Something_Smart]

Knowing Mumble's personality I wouldn't exactly be surprised if he claimed that even though his team didn't want him to.

Also, I did suggest that he not protect anyone, so it wouldn't have been completely out of the blue.

[pisskop]

VC 4.01

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Something_Smart

-: Titus

Mumble

-: Almost50, PMysterious, Rick Dalton

Not voting

-: penguinpower, The Fonz, Vaultdweller, Darth Baker, Something _Smart, vorkuta, Lil Uzi Vert
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Lynch Info

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch!

Day 4 ends on 07/10/2019 ((expired on 2019-10-07 23:00:00)).

Titus is vla until Thursday.

[VaultDweller]

I'm here, just a bit busy. Will post properly tomorrow. I blocked LUV. I am now an Ascetic VT.

[PenguinPower]

Why did you block LUV?

[PMysterious]

+ Chemist - JOAT (neighborizer, commuter, BG)

Not sure why there is a tracker enabler with one tracker. Would have made more sense for scum to go after an unprotectable slot to disable the tracker than the tracker who could possibly be protected.

The Mafia likely have a Tracker of their own, so killing the enabler would turn one of their members into a glorified VT.

[PenguinPower]

But everyone has claimed so who cares about their Mafia Tracker? More important to take care of the PR that could potentially catch them, and the only guaranteed way is the Macho Enabler because of the claimed BG. In reality, VD should have been on S_S last night...you want to crucify him for not being there?

(Also, I think you mean Goon)

[PenguinPower]

Actually that doesn't make sense - Wiki team needs to re-write the Macho page.

[Something_Smart]

The difference between killing the tracker and killing the enabler is that if they kill me, Chickadee still gets one more result.

[PenguinPower]

Is that the case for Enabler roles? Would have thought NAR would have disabled the tracker role that night if the Enabler was killed.

[Something_Smart]

Kills are always resolved last, I believe. Same reason a jailkeeper who dies still jails their target.

[PenguinPower]

Kills fall before Invests in the Golden Rule (but after Jails). So, if there is a modifier that would impact the invest, why would the kill not resolve before the invest?

[Something_Smart]

It seems really weird for whether an enabler disables that role the night they die or the next night to depend on the type of role enabled.

[Something_Smart]

What it actually is doesn't matter now; it only matters what the scum thought would happen, which we have no way of knowing. But I think my way is more intuitive?

[PenguinPower]

I didn't write the guidelines.

"Apply actions which modify other actions before the actions they modify."

Commute - Commuter
Blocking - Roleblocker, Rolestopper, Alien
Jailkeep - Jailkeeper
Protection - Doctor, Bodyguard, Babysitter (when it protects)
Miscellaneous - Neighborizer, Friendly Neighbor, Hider, Fruit Vendor, Visitor, Mailman
Kill - Mafia factional kill, SK factional kill, Strongman, Vigilante, Babysitter (when it kills)
Role Investigation - Cop, Gunsmith, Role Cop, Vanilla Cop, Neapolitan, Psychologist, Detective, Traffic Analyst, PT Cop
Action Investigation - Tracker, Watcher, Voyeur, Follower, Motion Detector
If only one of the actions affects another, resolve that one first, regardless of the positions on the list.

Enabled Tracker -> Enabler -> Killer

Kill would modify the Enabler (alive to dead) which in turn would modify the Enabled Tracker (Enabled to Disabled). Kill would resolve first as it falls before Investigations in the table. Kill action affects both the Enabler and the Tracker, so the bottom caveat would not apply.

Of course, I also note that the Enabler is not on the list so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[PenguinPower]

What it actually is doesn't matter now; it only matters what the scum thought would happen, which we have no way of knowing. But I think my way is more intuitive?

Maybe. It's not what my first thought was.