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Post Post #1850 (ISO) » Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:10 am

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In post 1849, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1842, The Fonz wrote:Far more likely Chemist was on Roster than Rick N2.
Chemist would only guard roster if he actually roster would die, though, right?
Eh, if someone's come out to you as an investigative role, you trust them, and you potentially know they're checking on a widely-suspected player that night, it's probably worth it. I'm pretty confident Roster BG + Direct target between them occupy much more probability space than Rick BG. Rick claiming the existence of a ninja would likely deprioritise him as a protect.
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Post Post #1851 (ISO) » Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:45 am

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Rick is probably town with a correct solve.
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Post Post #1852 (ISO) » Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:45 am

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Almost50 pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning.
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Post Post #1853 (ISO) » Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:56 am

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In post 1851, PenguinPower wrote:Rick is probably town with a correct solve.
His "solve" has you as scum?
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Post Post #1854 (ISO) » Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:07 am

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It has me as one of the potential scumteam, yes. I didn't say it was entirely correct.

After my last game with FL where I bucked him because he had me in his solve (but it was correct otherwise), and given how Mumble played this game, I'm not going to fault him for including my slot.
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Post Post #1855 (ISO) » Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:43 am

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I mean, you did literally say that, but fine. People aren't always precise in what they type.

I've being meta-ing PMyst while on a train. The IIoA and somewhat fail logic seem par for the course as town, though I've not found a scum game.
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Post Post #1856 (ISO) » Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:49 am

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Wow - being a pedant must be fun for you.

I said the solve was correct. The solve was not just three players. I did not say that he was correct in that every player listed was scum. But sure, let's dig at minor details.
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Post Post #1857 (ISO) » Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:49 am

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meta is trash
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Post Post #1858 (ISO) » Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:50 am

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hmm....
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Post Post #1859 (ISO) » Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:00 am

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In post 1856, PenguinPower wrote:Wow - being a pedant must be fun for you.

I said the solve was correct. The solve was not just three players. I did not say that he was correct in that every player listed was scum. But sure, let's dig at minor details.
I literally said sometimes people aren't precise in what they write and it was nbd, but sure, whatever.
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Post Post #1860 (ISO) » Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:53 am

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In post 1837, Rick Dalton wrote:What the damn hell?!

Wait a second.

Chemist died night 2. If you believe Mumble slot is scum, you can’t believe that he was the actual night kill.

I was pushing at Mumble that day, and Chemist was conversing with me.

I think I WAS the kill target. Chemist saved me and died for me with his body guard action.

That’s why the whole “why wasn’t Rick killed?!?” talk has been coming up. Scum tried to kill me, and failed!
I looked through Chemist's ISO, and based on that, I find it more likely that he protected Roster and not you. He kept on saying that Roster was a bad lynch, and he barely mentioned you at all. So what's likely (unless Roster's replacement can confirm this to be false), Chemist neighbored Roster, and Roster told Chemist that he was Vanilla Cop, a role that could be useful in finding the other power roles, including those of Scum. Chemist would definitely trust the person he used his Neighbor power on over a guy who just said he was Tracker in the open, yet didn't even use his power on the first night (as found out in Day 3 with the Visitor claim).

If this event did actually happen the way you describe it, then it would confirm you town, but based on Chemist's ISO, it is unlikely that he used his Bodyguard ability on Rick.
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Post Post #1861 (ISO) » Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:55 am

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Titus, any insight about that in the neighborhood? Did Chemist say or hint at who he would protect?
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Post Post #1862 (ISO) » Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:43 am

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In post 1860, PMysterious wrote:
In post 1837, Rick Dalton wrote:What the damn hell?!

Wait a second.

Chemist died night 2. If you believe Mumble slot is scum, you can’t believe that he was the actual night kill.

I was pushing at Mumble that day, and Chemist was conversing with me.

I think I WAS the kill target. Chemist saved me and died for me with his body guard action.

That’s why the whole “why wasn’t Rick killed?!?” talk has been coming up. Scum tried to kill me, and failed!
I looked through Chemist's ISO, and based on that, I find it more likely that he protected Roster and not you. He kept on saying that Roster was a bad lynch, and he barely mentioned you at all. So what's likely (unless Roster's replacement can confirm this to be false), Chemist neighbored Roster, and Roster told Chemist that he was Vanilla Cop, a role that could be useful in finding the other power roles, including those of Scum. Chemist would definitely trust the person he used his Neighbor power on over a guy who just said he was Tracker in the open, yet didn't even use his power on the first night (as found out in Day 3 with the Visitor claim).

If this event did actually happen the way you describe it, then it would confirm you town, but based on Chemist's ISO, it is unlikely that he used his Bodyguard ability on Rick.
I thought I already went back on this? Chemist was probably shot straight up. What’s the point in rehashing when I’ve already chopped myself if not you just trying to discredit more?
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Post Post #1863 (ISO) » Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:20 am

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I have a theory that this game has scum in it and that they're messing with us. I'll explain later. :P

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Post Post #1864 (ISO) » Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:21 am

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In post 1863, Almost50 wrote:I have a theory that this game has scum in it and that they're messing with us. I'll explain later. :P
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Post Post #1865 (ISO) » Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:54 am

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Of course I do, silly. You think I sleep with the lights on?

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Post Post #1866 (ISO) » Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:27 am

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Probably not going to get on until Sunday, might have a one hour window Saturday afternoon UK time.
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Post Post #1867 (ISO) » Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:37 am

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Man, Penguin’s playing up to me, and if he’s scum it’s working :lol:

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Post Post #1868 (ISO) » Fri Sep 27, 2019 11:50 am

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In post 1861, Something_Smart wrote:Titus, any insight about that in the neighborhood? Did Chemist say or hint at who he would protect?
Chemist had nothing in there, only his protect is one shot.
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Post Post #1869 (ISO) » Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:38 pm

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Can we have ppl vote today? Ty.
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Post Post #1870 (ISO) » Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:51 pm

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Yeah, vote PM.
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Post Post #1871 (ISO) » Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:53 pm

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I want to see how others vote for social dynamics.
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Post Post #1872 (ISO) » Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:17 pm

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I think yesterday had pretty good indication of that that explains why Fonz is scum.

I’d rather lynch Fonz than PM, tbh, PM is just more annoying, and Fonz is protected.
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Post Post #1873 (ISO) » Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:32 pm

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In post 1872, Rick Dalton wrote:I think yesterday had pretty good indication of that that explains why Fonz is scum.

I’d rather lynch Fonz than PM, tbh, PM is just more annoying, and Fonz is protected.
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Post Post #1874 (ISO) » Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:22 pm

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He’s in the pool, but SS arguably knows me better than any other player on site, for sure top 3, and when he was scum last and I was town, I KNEW he was scum, and he forced a 1v1 with me in a sort of hilarious back and forth. Game was essentially over by the time I replaced in there.

Other than that, I only have played with Scumthing Smart once, and he was my partner, and pulled a Miller/Cop gambit Day 1 together, and swept.

Him WK’ing me doesn’t make sense in theory if I’m not being targeted for a mislynch, but like I said, I think I’m destined to be mislynched in lylo.
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