Micro 909: 09:12 (Game Over!)

[Menalque]

y not?

[emps]

i dont get how ppl are actually confident in their own reads this early on ;-;

usually i have like half a read by now lmao

[emps]

i dont rly see what ur getting at in the uncrowned case, ill reread later probs

[Alduskkel]

oh no the game doubled in size since I last posted

[emps]

lmao oof

[emps]

Like if you want to argue that it’s scum indicative for me you need to have a clear reason for why that particular behaviour is more likely to come from scum!me than town!me

What benefit do I get?

Also why would scum!me want to distract in that conversation?

Scum!you would want to do that if your partner wasnt handling themselves well and they were involved in the conversation, but it would be super sus, especially after a flip, so overall I'm leaning towards this being too attention grabby for your scumplay, particularly after the postgame conversation in Newbie 1971. That and your interaction after us are why I felt like it wasnt scum indicative for you.

I'm curious why Aaron went back and talked about it though. @Aaron, you caught up yet? Also Mena, you heard from Aaron, where are your reads at?

BP

honestly yeah im still kinda confused when rvs has actually ended

[emps]

i still dont understand menas case of uncrowned

[emps]

i think uncrowneds vote on me is reasonable tbh

and i havent exactly taken a stance on ico/hh either

and hes like solving and being productive

[Alduskkel]

come at me bro

why am i scum?

cuz you can't explain your scumread on HH and you're trying to discredit him

Menalque what's your take on HH vs Ico

This feels like you misrepping Icon. At one point in that exchange, he literally said he wasnt sure whether the OMGUS was more likely to come from scum or town. Also, why does scum!Icon try to build a push from 0 on a guy in a mostly passive gamestate that only became active when he started the push?

because scum icon wants to look busy

What do you think HH's reasons for voting Icon were?

As I understood it, HH's reasons were:
1. Applying a double standard to HH compared to other players
2. Forming an illogical scumread on HH that is unlikely to come from a town mindset

What's your read of HH Aldus?

little bit town

I dont see the scum motivation for Icon coming into the game and starting a push on HH. HH's quick reaction reeked of survivalism and I dont know if that's more likely to come from scum or town. I felt like 135 was a bit too self aware for town though. @HH have I hydra'd with one of your heads before?

I've got Aldus as null-scum here. I think that increases drastically if HH is scum. There was a defense of HH that read as pretty strong to me. He was insisting HH had reasons for voting Icon and that it was unfair to classify that vote as OMGUS, but I didnt see it from my read. I also think he misrepped what Icon was doing at one point wrt to the HH slot.

Mena is pinging me. Hes been posting alot, but it's been weird. This whole thing with the mod is just weird. Haven't played with scum!Mena before, but this doesnt feel like his town game.

I liked uncrowned's explanation, but he could probably post a bit more.

This game could definitely use some more posting.

VOTE: Aldus That's L-2.

Can you explain what you mean about 135 being "too self aware for town"? I'm also confused by your vote on me. If I were you, then based on what you said I would have pushed HH more and then if HH flipped scum go after me, because it seems a lot of what's scummy to you about me is related to HH. If HH flipped town, how would that affect your read of me?

I mean you're saying WHAT you're scum reading but I'm not seeing any WHY here. Elaborate?

Basically it felt like you were trying a little 'too' hard to do things early on. Like the thing with the meta dive on my intro post, what exactly was that supposed to accomplish? It's like pseudo-scumhunting and doesn't actually accomplish anything wrt sorting my slot.

I mean I went to the effort of browsing through all those games so even if it wasn't AI then I still wanted to show something for my effort lol.

And if it seemed like I was trying too hard it's because I think that helps move things past the RVS. Like, if I see something even a tiny bit scummy at that stage then I want to make it into a Thing so that people start having to take stances and stuff.

[Alduskkel]

I want to hear from both Aaron and Menalque why they think Iconeum is town.

I also want to see Iconeum and Menalque debate on Uncrowned since they have opposite reads on that slot.

Being way too confident on emps scum when trying to get me to vote somewhere other than dats

Why is it scummy for Uncrowned to be confident in emps being scum?

When mena waits to see everyone's opinions before making what looks like a vanity vote.

What's a "vanity vote"? Is it scummy?

This is laughable. I'm not getting lynched today. You're hurting your own reads by looking for something that isn't there.

Unless you're scum and you don't need to worry about having

good

reads.

Now this looks like OMGUS. How can you be confident you won't get lynched today? Also really don't like the dig at Menalque in the last sentence. If you think Menalque is scum then vote for him. It's like you're trying to make Menalque look scummier without committing to scumreading him.

@Menalque: if you convince me Ico is town then I'll sheep you on Uncrowned.

[Alduskkel]

Chemist I see you're online, if you don't at least respond to 375 then I'm going to accuse you of deliberately avoiding the thread.

[Chemist1422]

Chemist I see you're online, if you don't at least respond to 375 then I'm going to accuse you of deliberately avoiding the thread.

online reads are for cowards

[Chemist1422]

also if you are expecting an answer you underestimate my ability to use spite as an excuse to procrastinate

[Uncrowned]

I don't think Mena is scum. Pretty sure I already touched on this when I replied to a post HH made.

[AaronFrost]

Also, I’m willing to reveal scum number 1!

VOTE: uncrowned

Huh wild. I though Uncrowned was mildly townie for the most part.

Only post from them I didn't like was 203. He seems a little too confident in his emps read but then again Mena is apparently super confident in his Uncrowned read so I'm not sure that's AI.

[AaronFrost]

When the game starts shifting out of RVS and chemist votes the mod and contributes nothing.

I lowkey forgot Chemist was in this game but I also don't like his mod vote.

[AaronFrost]

Correction: Why would I take a hard stance on something I THINK* is NAI, whoops.

Thinking that a post or series of posts is NAI is a stance, so I'm honestly not sure what Mena's getting at there.

[AaronFrost]

you manage to talk about me,

aaron

, emps,

AF

, and HH in those couple of posts while largely trying to shrug off the SR on you

Apparently I count as two people now

[AaronFrost]

In which case you haven’t because pushing meme-y non-commitsl content is one of te number 1 things that scum do

Why do you think I'm town then?

[Uncrowned]

Aaron's a pretty cool dude.

That AF guy though? Eh, not sure about him.

[AaronFrost]

The interaction, from what I had seen, was mostly over. The time to analyze it from the rest of the players had come. That was my take on it. If you don't like it, that's fine. But I legitimately just didn't see much from it. Like I just said above, at best it's a slight +town for Ico, and it left me still hard null on HH.

This is pretty much how I felt after the Icon/HH interactions, although I had a much stronger tr on Icon (still do) and HH's initial reactions pinged me a bit but nothing to strong on him. I'll likely revisit that at some point.

[AaronFrost]

I mean I went to the effort of browsing through all those games so even if it wasn't AI then I still wanted to show something for my effort lol.

And if it seemed like I was trying too hard it's because I think that helps move things past the RVS. Like, if I see something even a tiny bit scummy at that stage then I want to make it into a Thing so that people start having to take stances and stuff.

But it didn't really help move us out of RVS? And no one else commented on it or took a stance on it. So it didn't actually accomplish anything.

Pretty sure most people here could've told you that I'm not a new player by any means and that it was NAI.

[AaronFrost]

Aaron's a pretty cool dude.

That AF guy though? Eh, not sure about him.

AFF is a fucking asshole. Fuck that guy.

[AaronFrost]

I want to hear from both Aaron and Menalque why they think Iconeum is town.

I need to revisit the Icon/HH thing but from what I remember it came off as genuinely trying to sort as opposed to pushing an agenda.

[AaronFrost]

@Dats: I'll have limited access until 12/26. Should be around, just not sure how often.

Acknowledged.
- D