Micro 909: 09:12 (Game Over!)

[JJJ]

Oh, well that explains why I didn't remember. I figured it was during holidays when Y was steering the ship or something lol
-X

[JJJ]

if emps flips strongman/rolecop I would like mena to be RBed tonight
if he flips goon rb me
if he flips town, rb whoever the hell you want, probably dont announce it though

I don't wanna dive too deep into my thought process here but what I can say is, if it's down to me and mena, SM!emps = non-SM!partner. If that's mena then he's caught, and I already know it does nothing more than a clear if it's on me which I'm not overly concerned about being cleared. If I'm wrong on mena it looks like it'll be too destructive for us to live in peace anyway. In other words I'm fine with being lynched if mena gets cleared because it'll inevitably happen at some point later if scum isn't pushed before me anyway.
SM=strongman and is interchangable with rolecop for all intents and purposes of this paragraph ^

More likely imo, emps flips goon here, and in that case I'm cool with being RBed. a conditional clear is really all I could want here because it looks like it comes down to me vs mena tomorrow on emps redflip. then we can figure out if claiming PR is necessary (most likely only in the case that there's a kill). If such a thing happens as clears me as non!sm (and therefore not scum if i was rbed during a kill) then cool, I'll take it.

I guess it's kinda greedy but fmpov it's just the smartest thing to do. Dealing with mena's toxicity so far this phase is already making it hard for me to want to push my thoughts on him, and I really don't wanna have to deal with that with some kind of WIFOM "is he SM" situation.

-X

[Datisi]

Official Vote Count 2.05

With 8 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Lynching

emps

(3): HH, the worst, Look At Me Im So Town

Menalque

(1): Menalque

Not Voting

(4): emps, Uncrowned, Alduskkel, AaronFrost

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-01-14 14:30:00).

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[JJJ]

I also don't wanna give mena any more reasons to be angry towards me and apparently my anonymity struck a nerve with him there, so yeah, I'm eth0s. Pretty much everything I've done in this game is within my scumrange. I want to say I don't normally do "prod votes" like I did to chemist and emps as scum, because I'm always paranoid that I'll get lynched for it on day ones when there's nothing better to go off of. But I probably have done that as scum, too.

I've caught scum!emps, I've mislynched town!emps as scum.
I've caught scum!mena (his predecessor screwed the game for him but there are still some parallels I've pointed out), I've pocketted mena as scum (but lost).
I've caught AF as scum, I've lost to scum!AF (where I was under the guise of Cliff Booth), I've rolled scum with AF (he replaced in) and won, I believe I've lost a game with him where we were both town, too.
I've rolled scum with uncrowned before (I replaced in, he carried us to victory), where we defeated a town The Worst.
Think I've played with The worst a couple times other than that but I'm worried I might misrep our past because I used to mix him up with Stargazer and someone else. Apparently he is Wooper from a jester nightless game I played recently. He was jester and I was scum that wanted to lynch him, so... yeah
Billy was town with me when we lost to scum aaron. Think we've won another town game together too.
Chemist was in the game with me and mena where I was scum and I lost to them.

Based on meta I've been telling Y this entire game that uncrowned is town. Been saying emps was sketchy, don't remember much past that. I think he said something earlier that kinda persuaded me to think he was town but there was def some gambler's fallacy going on in my mind too so idunno. Havent felt too strongly about AF based on meta in this game. The Worst is too good for me to read on meta. Billy I can't meta read that strongly. Chemist never does anything and therefore I never know how to read him.

Oh I also shot datisi in the face when she was a jailkeeper once

AMA

-X (eth0s)

[Uncrowned]

OHHH HAIIII FORMER SCUM BUDDY

Man I'm really curious. Are the differences between my scum and town that obvious? (That's directed at TW too, also we can leave this for post game so we dont derail if you guys want lol)

[Look At Me Im So Town]

if we hit scum today and uncr dies we still know that theyre cleared

You earlier said theres like a 100% chance of you being the lynch, now you're saying if we hit scum? Yeah, this is role fishing.

BP

[Look At Me Im So Town]

Why do you think he's Emps' partner here? What about his play has said that? You're putting the onus on him, which seems like you're trying to make him sound defensive.

BP

Does his posting not seem defensive to you? Literally all of Day 2 he's been in defense mode over me and HH suggesting that him and emps could be a team.

His posting seems like hes pissed off and mad because hes not getting TRed. So that's it, just the defensive posture he's got?

If so, how were you reading HH's defensive posture yesterday wrt Icon?

BP

[Look At Me Im So Town]

can we plynch mena

We may have caught scum and you want to redirect to lynch Mena? Ducky, literally wtf is this?

BP

[Look At Me Im So Town]

Yeah mena is probably the partner tbh, this is completely on par with how he would react as scum.

-X

Do you have experience with scum!Mena?

BP

yeah
-X

I'm only asking because this reminds me of a game where he caught Korina early and then freaked out when people were scumreading him and clearing Korina.

BP

[Look At Me Im So Town]

@Aaron, it's mostly based on me seeing alot of similar play to the two times I played with him as town. Now, could I be misreading playstyle as AI? Yeah, but the defensiveness and emotionality are something I've seen from town!Mena. I also felt like he was doing alot of sorting and interacting with slots in good faith.

[emps]

I mean i guess it's not terrible since i can at the least clear someone and you guys go into d3 worst case scenario with 2 confirmed townies. From there it's PoE

if emps is scum I kinda doubt he's strongman so I'm not sure if confirming someone is a super viable thought. I know, I know. But it kinda dawned on me that you're likely to be strongman shot tonight if there is one and isn't emps

What makes you think emps is more likely to be a Goon than a scum PR?

the fact that he made the nk, mostly

the mafia PRs can do both tho

emps who do you think is scum

if you’re really town then we’ll be in a tight spot tomorrow (unless there’s a second no death night) so you should be motivated to get ur reads out and stuff

is scum able to multitask in this game?

imo its hh/lamist

i really dont see where this mena sr is coming from

like sure his self meta is bad/annoying sometimes but thats not rly a reason to sr him

[emps]

i mean maybe the self vote? but like no ones really mentioned that apart from aaron and that was just 1 time

[emps]

I also don't wanna give mena any more reasons to be angry towards me and apparently my anonymity struck a nerve with him there, so yeah, I'm eth0s. Pretty much everything I've done in this game is within my scumrange. I want to say I don't normally do "prod votes" like I did to chemist and emps as scum, because I'm always paranoid that I'll get lynched for it on day ones when there's nothing better to go off of. But I probably have done that as scum, too.

I've caught scum!emps, I've mislynched town!emps as scum.
I've caught scum!mena (his predecessor screwed the game for him but there are still some parallels I've pointed out), I've pocketted mena as scum (but lost).
I've caught AF as scum, I've lost to scum!AF (where I was under the guise of Cliff Booth), I've rolled scum with AF (he replaced in) and won, I believe I've lost a game with him where we were both town, too.
I've rolled scum with uncrowned before (I replaced in, he carried us to victory), where we defeated a town The Worst.
Think I've played with The worst a couple times other than that but I'm worried I might misrep our past because I used to mix him up with Stargazer and someone else. Apparently he is Wooper from a jester nightless game I played recently. He was jester and I was scum that wanted to lynch him, so... yeah
Billy was town with me when we lost to scum aaron. Think we've won another town game together too.
Chemist was in the game with me and mena where I was scum and I lost to them.

Based on meta I've been telling Y this entire game that uncrowned is town. Been saying emps was sketchy, don't remember much past that. I think he said something earlier that kinda persuaded me to think he was town but there was def some gambler's fallacy going on in my mind too so idunno. Havent felt too strongly about AF based on meta in this game. The Worst is too good for me to read on meta. Billy I can't meta read that strongly. Chemist never does anything and therefore I never know how to read him.

Oh I also shot datisi in the face when she was a jailkeeper once

AMA

-X (eth0s)

i instantly knew this was eth0s when i saw the "i mislynched emps as scum"

[Menalque]

eh I'm sorry about last night

I was drinking and got frustrated

I mean I still am frustrated but yeah, I apologise for the toxicity

knowing it's eth0s makes me a lot weaker on hh!scum

I think ducky is probably the partner

[Menalque]

VOTE: ducky

I still wanna Lynch emps today obv I;'m just leaving this here as a place marker

[Menalque]

I may intermittently check this thread but I'll mostly be absent from now as I don't really feel like anyone here is interested in cooperating with me

[JJJ]

OHHH HAIIII FORMER SCUM BUDDY

Man I'm really curious. Are the differences between my scum and town that obvious? (That's directed at TW too, also we can leave this for post game so we dont derail if you guys want lol)

I just noticed the way you talked about yourself this game was night and day from our other game

[JJJ]

I just noticed I never talked about nythoughts on mena from meta. It's been really back and forth all game.

-eth0s

[JJJ]

If it's not mena it could be ducky. I'm not good at reading ducky though. Not great at reading ico either I think. Definitely not loving the way lamist has handled this phase either tho. However hearing the thing about mena catching korina and being frustrated does somewhat make me want to reconsider. But it still kinda irks me that he's been scumreading me and and was one of the people who said my emps voting was bad. I dont remember if he went full ico saying that my vote was useless. Anyone that has suggested that my vote on emps yesterday was useless/me trying to look town and now saying that I can be scum is def sus. I'm having a hard time wording it but basically you cant have it both ways.

Even in the sense of it being a distance vote, it doesnt really make sense because I was prod voting chemist later on as well.

[JJJ]

I think that we should be Uncrowned's target tonight to clear us, since we're apparently null or confusing for a lot of people, so that would clear us. - Y

[JJJ]

Note that #1043 was X.
- Y

[JJJ]

I also don't wanna give mena any more reasons to be angry towards me and apparently my anonymity struck a nerve with him there, so yeah, I'm eth0s. Pretty much everything I've done in this game is within my scumrange. I want to say I don't normally do "prod votes" like I did to chemist and emps as scum, because I'm always paranoid that I'll get lynched for it on day ones when there's nothing better to go off of. But I probably have done that as scum, too.

I've caught scum!emps, I've mislynched town!emps as scum.
I've caught scum!mena (his predecessor screwed the game for him but there are still some parallels I've pointed out), I've pocketted mena as scum (but lost).
I've caught AF as scum, I've lost to scum!AF (where I was under the guise of Cliff Booth), I've rolled scum with AF (he replaced in) and won, I believe I've lost a game with him where we were both town, too.
I've rolled scum with uncrowned before (I replaced in, he carried us to victory), where we defeated a town The Worst.
Think I've played with The worst a couple times other than that but I'm worried I might misrep our past because I used to mix him up with Stargazer and someone else. Apparently he is Wooper from a jester nightless game I played recently. He was jester and I was scum that wanted to lynch him, so... yeah
Billy was town with me when we lost to scum aaron. Think we've won another town game together too.
Chemist was in the game with me and mena where I was scum and I lost to them.

Based on meta I've been telling Y this entire game that uncrowned is town. Been saying emps was sketchy, don't remember much past that. I think he said something earlier that kinda persuaded me to think he was town but there was def some gambler's fallacy going on in my mind too so idunno. Havent felt too strongly about AF based on meta in this game. The Worst is too good for me to read on meta. Billy I can't meta read that strongly. Chemist never does anything and therefore I never know how to read him.

Oh I also shot datisi in the face when she was a jailkeeper once

AMA

-X (eth0s)

FWIW, the stuff he said about what he's been saying all game is true. - Y

[AaronFrost]

If so, how were you reading HH's defensive posture yesterday wrt Icon?

Don't see how this is relevant but I think I touched on this Day 1. I was leaning scum on HH at the time but then his posting got better and he started cooperating.

The knowledge of HH being eth0s is also making me lean town more on him.

[AaronFrost]

can we plynch mena

We may have caught scum and you want to redirect to lynch Mena? Ducky, literally wtf is this?

^^^

The timing of this post from duck gave me lots of bad vibes and I'm strongly TRing duck.

[AaronFrost]

I'm only asking because this reminds me of a game where he caught Korina early and then freaked out when people were scumreading him and clearing Korina.

Ugh don't remind me of that game's existence

But seriously I do remember him acting like that in Newbie 1949 but not to the level which he is here. I also don't think he got all defeatist in that game like he did here.