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[Chara]

Amrun: why requote those? Bingle hasn't posted since 1am.

[Amrun]

@Bingle: in what world would scum kill Fakran? Explain it to me.

Because literally nobody is listening to me, and i have been the most voted player since forever? If you were scum, who would you kill?

Amrun.

Amrun is the only person who has seriously expressed a desire to lynch me.

If Nacho was scum with Hectic, why does he shoot Psyche over the one person who is standing in his way? It just doesn't make sense. Psyche was townreading them both pretty vocally iirc.

I posted these in chronological order. He posted and declined to answer, which is why I requoted. I only quoted the other one to consolidate questions to help him out.

[Amrun]

I think chemist flip added scum equity to nacho. It also adds credence to my Bingle/Farkran solve because Bingle went through quite a bit of effort to flip chemist “first.”

My read wavers on nacho quite a bit. If one of my scum picks is wrong, nacho probably fills in the gap.

Chara, same questions back to you.

my read on Nacho is still PoE but i think if scum Farkran is right he isn't my first pick for a partner. am i right to think that scum Nacho would have some more oomph? though even saying that i'd rather discard it because his activity has been compromised this game.

Nacho/Farkran doesn't fit because it feels weird for Nacho to spend the majority of his time interacting with his scumpartner last day. and if Farkran's town i'd lynch him before Bingle for sure.

how does Chemist flip add scum equity to Nacho besides removing one possibility for scum? i don't know if his townflip changes anything significant for me besides that.

i need to check what Farkran was at when i voted Chemist yesterday.

I think scum nacho would have more of an agenda/goal. He hasn’t had much of one, especially with Farkran. If he wanted to defend him, thats not the way to go about it, and vice verse.

Chemist added scum equity to Nacho because he was the primary pusher of that lynch, and simply by removal of PoE.

[Chara]

Farkran: i haven't double-ISOed them and i still don't think Hectic is scum, but i will probably look because it feels only fair. what do you think of scum Nacho with town Hectic?

Scum nacho does not spare town hectic, and you can read 2056 for full insight

Hectic is not town, there is no plausible reason to think he is town with this gamestate. The only slots who didn't endorse his spare were Farkran, Chemist and Bingle. Chemist flipped town (as expected), Farkran will flip town and Bingle too will likely flip town.

pedit: can you... stop for a second and tell me

why

hectic is town in your mind, besides social pressure (which is one of the most wrong premises to ever assume in a game of fm)?

i don't have the will to have this argument again. also i don't know why you bring up social pressure for Hectic being town when we've had enough arguments about my specific reasons for townreading Hectic.

like i was about to ask a question to further this but i just... really don't think it's worth the time? i don't think you'll change my mind and i doubt i'll change yours. sorry. i'd say we can talk about other reads but at this stage of the game i don't know if that helps either.
i'm sorry if you're town.

[Chara]

I think scum nacho would have more of an agenda/goal. He hasn’t had much of one, especially with Farkran. If he wanted to defend him, thats not the way to go about it, and vice verse.

Chemist added scum equity to Nacho because he was the primary pusher of that lynch, and simply by removal of PoE.

agree re Farkran/Nacho. and i know you know Nacho better but that does line up with my impression of him.

[Chara]

so i started looking at deadlines and vote patterns wondering why Amrun didn't insist on a Farkran flip after i voted Chemist (thus making the wagons 2/2), and instead went along and voted Chemist.

then reread my own post and realized i said Chemist was the only hurt vote i was making that day. so. i'm the fool.

[Farkran]

Farkran: i haven't double-ISOed them and i still don't think Hectic is scum, but i will probably look because it feels only fair. what do you think of scum Nacho with town Hectic?

Scum nacho does not spare town hectic, and you can read 2056 for full insight

Hectic is not town, there is no plausible reason to think he is town with this gamestate. The only slots who didn't endorse his spare were Farkran, Chemist and Bingle. Chemist flipped town (as expected), Farkran will flip town and Bingle too will likely flip town.

pedit: can you... stop for a second and tell me

why

hectic is town in your mind, besides social pressure (which is one of the most wrong premises to ever assume in a game of fm)?

i don't have the will to have this argument again. also i don't know why you bring up social pressure for Hectic being town when we've had enough arguments about my specific reasons for townreading Hectic.

like i was about to ask a question to further this but i just... really don't think it's worth the time? i don't think you'll change my mind and i doubt i'll change yours. sorry. i'd say we can talk about other reads but at this stage of the game i don't know if that helps either.
i'm sorry if you're town.

Ok, let's play a game: i will ask you two things and two only. If you can answer me, i'll drop it and just give up because it's pointless and i have no hope of rectifying wrong premises once they are set in stone in everyone's mind.

1) Can you give me ONE reason to make Hectic townlocked? Any reason, even if you have already said it earlier, but it must be townlock-worthy.
2) If you imagine a world where Farkran is town, does that reason still stand?

Because, to me, it's not possible to have both those points answered. Hectic must be scum, and his partner must be one of the players in this thread. Nacho > Chara > Amrun > Bingle is still my order of preference.

[Chara]

1) so... the original point about him delaying his own spare? that was extremely significant for me. it's not really a

one

reason thing, the combination of reasons is what makes him town. reason two is paranoia of me followed by a rethinking, the only reason to do that as scum is to convincingly fake a progression (ie there's no agenda) and he felt consistently genuine. he's not townlocked, because that'd be like a clear. but he's really towny.

2) sure. if you're town as well it only means scum decided to let Hectic's spare through/actively support it for towncred and play the longer game.

if you say you disagree with my reasons and the discussion continues i'm still really not going to want to discuss it anymore. i'm not going to say "if Hectic's scum we're boned anyways" because the phrase is a pet peeve of mine, and i'm not going to say it's impossible for him to be scum either. but pursuing either of those options for me is where madness lay.

if you're town i do think it's extremely likely Nacho is scum.

[Farkran]

1) I would ask you what do you make of his d2 self-quickspare when we could lynch me or bingle instead, but ok
2) Yeah, who's scum then? Nacho and Amrun? Nacho and Bingle? Amrun and Bingle? Because i really don't think you are scumclaiming here, are you?

Anyways, i stand by my words, i'll give up the discussion. At least you realized that if i am town -and assuming you are too, which is a big if by itself- Nacho is your best pick. I don't know how else i can help.

[Nachomamma8]

Chara have you read Farkran's other town games at all whether by skim or by something else?

[Nachomamma8]

if you're town i do think it's extremely likely Nacho is scum.

Why do you think this? POE?

[Nachomamma8]

i'd be interested in the process of eliminating teams within Amrun/Chara/Bingle. you might have done this yesterday, i don't remember.

Amrun/Bingle is mainly based on Amrun's tenacity in pushing for Bingle's death. I don't think you hem and haw as much on pressing for a spare yesterday if the team is Amrun/Chara plus if the two people I felt the best about going into today were town would be incredibly depressing. Chara/Bingle kind of works but I feel that Bingle would have supported you more in pushing for the four spare route.

[Chara]

Nacho: i took a look at his wiki a while ago but i lacked the patience to do a useful dive. his play this game didn't really seem similar to either the scumgame or the towngame i looked at.

and yes, it's PoE. i don't think Bingle/Amrun is a team and Hectic's town.

[Amrun]

Fuck, can we just kill Bingle plz

[Amrun]

He’s been posting on site.

[fight]Bingle[/hurt]

[Amrun]

GDI lol

HURT: Bingle

[Nachomamma8]

What are the possible teams that you're working with today, Amrun?

[Nachomamma8]

I ask that because two thoughts. 1) if I'm in Psyche's shoes I'd much rather have town sort out the Nacho/Farkran debacle and shoot Bingle as opposed to the other way around and 2) if we lynch Bingle (who replica was pretty harshly townreading) and he flips town then I'll feel pretty dumb. Would not feel as dumb if Bingle flipped town after we got a scum lynch.

[Nachomamma8]

But maybe that's just me and extra silly.

[Farkran]

I ask that because two thoughts. 1) if I'm in Psyche's shoes I'd much rather have town sort out the Nacho/Farkran debacle and shoot Bingle as opposed to the other way around and 2) if we lynch Bingle (who replica was pretty harshly townreading) and he flips town then I'll feel pretty dumb. Would not feel as dumb if Bingle flipped town after we got a scum lynch.

I guess this is the kind of post i'd expect from good scum trying to look town, but regardless of the motivation, i agree with the reasoning provided. I can't see Bingle in a team with anyone alive/unspared, except maybe Nacho himself which wouldn't be a reason to change my vote anyways

[Amrun]

What are the possible teams that you're working with today, Amrun?

Farkran/Bingle has been my pick for scumteam since before either of them occupied those slots.

I’m really ok lynching Farkran today. At this point, I’ll take what I can get. But are we really all just cool with Bingle ignoring this thread?

What are YOUR picks for scum, Nacho?

[Chara]

not

cool

with it, but i've been burned enough by "player A isn't posting, suspicious" to not really factor it in anymore.

but taking a break from this game today to deal with some things. Farkran's still my preference here i think. Nacho wanting to lynch in him/Farkran over Bingle is kind of interesting though, but i understand wanting to flip Fark first. then again Fark also agrees so i'll consider it later.
Bingle has some townlean points that make me want to prioritize Nacho/Farkran first as well. and i guess i don't find early game alimdia content to be really convincing, at the same time i know it's not like just ignoring things that happened earlier on is a

good

idea.

[Amrun]

My vote is effectively on Farkran as well.

[Farkran]

What are YOUR picks for scum, Nacho?

This is actually a good question though

Do you think i am partner with Amrun or Chara? Because clearly you don't believe i am partner with Bingle.

What are you doing on a Farkran green flip? What on a red flip?

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