mini 2140: partition (this is over)

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This game was not what I thought it was

Also hi mt

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The setup where scum picks a group of 3 and you have to lynch one person within that group

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Is this a hectic alt?

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We should consider lynching group 1 only if we're confident in townreading everyone in groups 2 and 3. Otherwise the risk is pretty high

Out of the people in those two groups, I believe I can read clidd and I could read Mohab at one point years ago

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hi friends!

for some reason I thought that mafia had to place at least one of each of themselves in each group. can someone confirm for me whether this is the case?

- Daenerys

no, don't think this is true

Where did you get that impression?

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I just realized while writing this that if we lynch group one, and there's zero scum in there, we lose the game immediately. ack!

Actually I just realized if there's exactly 0 or 1 scum in group 1 and we nuke that group today, then we'd also lose immediately because scum get a nightkill on the first night, leaving the game at 2-2 on day 2

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Group 1 has a majority of votes so they basically decide which group will get lynched

Everyone's votes are worth the same

They get a shot at winning even if there is no member in group 1, if they were hoping that we would lynch group 1 why would they hang one of their men?

If the scum chose 1/1/1 with the intent of lynching group 1 for the win today, I think putting one scum in group 1 to "sandbag" that group and make that group seem scummier would be the best way to do it.

Scumvibes from dsjstasefsfr's entrance, primarily from 49 though I'm having a hard time formulating it into words

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VOTE: group 3

You are voting your own group?

What's wrong with that?

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VOTE: 3

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Shouldn't you be more concerned with lynching scum than being alive on day 2

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I actually lean town on Mohab. What are you seeing there?

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Shouldn't you be more concerned with lynching scum than being alive on day 2

I have no other play. I can't lynch group 1. I don't want to lynch myself. So I can only find from group 2. Quite demotivated tbh. This isn't what i expected when i came into this game.

If you thought Mohab or dsjstr were scummy, would you want to lynch your group then? I don't get your insistence on not wanting to lynch yourself.

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Mohab entered saying we shouldn't talk about partitions because what's the point, but then discusses them anyway and emphasises how there can definitely be 3 scum in group 1.

True but there wasn't a whole lot else going on in thread tbf

He says it's too "risky" to lynch in group 1 and talks about how we shouldn't do it just because, unless we find "at least 1 scum in there worth lynching" - which is a very easy thing to do in 8 players. He's setting himself up later to vote group 1 while being reasonable and fair about it early.

Also, the self-vote is weird.

I see. I liked how he was thinking about how to play the setup, which seemed natural. and he did end up saying to not lynch group 1 today

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VOTE: group 3

You are voting your own group?

I was also thinking of voting for group 3 tbh

Group 1 is too risky and if there is 1 member in group 2 then even without reads it would be a 50/50 we get them the next day.

I don't get it, Doro. If there's 1 member in group 2 and we lynch it, there'll be 2 alive tomorrow.

If they went 1-1-1 which would just be a mistake for the mafia then there would be 2 members alive D2 no matter which group we choose. Since there are only two members in group 2 that leaves two suspects to choose from. The fact that no one else

sees going 1-1-1 as a bad move makes me think the mafia would have gone for it.

Sounds like 86 was made with the assumption that the partition was 1/1/1. I don't think we should be voting based on assumptions about the partition

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I see. I liked how he was thinking about how to play the setup, which seemed natural. and he did end up saying to not lynch group 1 today

He ended up saying to not lynch group 1 unless we found 1 scum in there. Finding a town or two who look like scum in 8 players is very easy. Mafia wouldn't work if that wasn't the case every game. So, my fear is that he knows this and is eventually setting himself up to vote group 1 in the future.
Secondly, it doesn't consider the possibility of there being 1 scum in group 1 who acts like a "jester" of sorts.

I think your read is fair and shows some depth of thought

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VOTE: group 1

I think this is the shortcut to victory.

Why do you think scum wouldn't put 1 scum in group 1?

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I know it's about the groups. I can only think of 1 thing.

Group 1. One of these things is not like the others.

Yep, that's what I thought you were getting at lol

What was this conversation about?

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On the vote count there was a message on day 1 saying groups have changed and vote count got reset. A scum player got switched to another group and the group that got lynched on day 1 were all town.

I wonder if the same thing is going to happen here.

This isn't the exact same setup. there aren't any roles in this game

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I don't like Adorable's entrance either

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Ultimately, none of that really matters because I have a strong suspicion there is scum in group 3, so if you feel like I am scummy, all the better.

Why group 3 over group 2?

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The first is less likely, as it proposes a slow game and would involve Scum!Albert involved, something that I find a little inconsistent considering that the appropriate form of distribution would be to place players who are vocally transparent in each of the groups, because at the same time as one scum is eliminated, players of relevance would also be, which also makes it evident that the composition {Clidd, Albert} is strongly antagonistic to this idea, which is why I imagine it to be unlikely.

Can you rephrase this? I don't understand why there wouldn't be 1 scum in {you, Albert}

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Fair point, but see 81, Doro.

You find anyone scummy so far? I'm pretty sure clidd and Ame are conspiring in the other corner.

Think I saw someone slip but I'll have to get back to you on that one.

What were you referring to here?

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Lets say worst case scenario there were 0 mafia in group 3. Then the setup would be limited to either 3-0-0, 2-1-0, or 1-2-0. I don't think that is the case and originally I was leaning towards group three because it would be the safest option now I think

there is mafia in the group.
VOTE: Group 3

Why do you think it isn't 2-1-0? actually fypov, 2-1-0 should be equally likely to 2-0-1 if you're town, right....

Who is mafia in your group?

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D&D is town for this. As I said earlier speculation of how scum are split can only get you so far. Scumhunting instead is town-oriented and I also like what they said as well.

Which lines in 135 did you like?

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In the scenario (1) (1) (1), there would be a concern on the part of the mafia to distribute the "transparent" players (who are more easily townreads) among the three groups, so that regardless of the group that was lynched, the mafia would benefit, as these players would be lynched as well. Now, considering Scum!Albert in this situation, he would be acting in a scummy way to attract the lynch of his group, but that would only be beneficial if there were other relevant players in the same group, and the fact that only having both of us does not justify this risk. Especially since there are 4 players on the playerlist who have a slight paranoia about me. It seems to me much more a composition to attract a lynch in our group than a planning involving Scum!Albert.

This kind of assumes that scum!Albert in group 2 would deliberately want to be lynched, no? Which is not how scum would be playing in his position imo. Scum in 1-1-1 would specifically want groups 1 > 3 > 2 to be lynched in that order.

Forget the specific partition for a second, I've noticed that you've basically explained away scum!Albert in every configuration and it doesn't make sense to me. For instance, in the case where the groups are 2-1-0, you say this configuration is too risky for scum in group 2 because group 3 players don't seem "weak verbally." The players in group 3 aren't any stronger/townier than the players in group 2. In fact, I would say the players in group 3 are probably the least known players in the list and have already been attracting a lot of scrutiny.

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am i supposed to know what hoctac and ame have been alluding to for 70% of the game and im missing it, or is everyone else also confused

nope I'm confused too

Are you still scum on Hoctac, Ame?

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Scum in 1-1-1 would specifically want groups 1 > 3 > 2 to be lynched in that order.

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Why ?

Lynching group 1 would instantly win scum the game

I guess the difference between groups 2 and 3 aren't

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big, but group 3 would mean eliminating an extra townie compared to group 2.

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Forget the specific partition for a second, I've noticed that you've basically explained away scum!Albert in every configuration and it doesn't make sense to me. For instance, in the case where the groups are 2-1-0, you say this configuration is too risky for scum in group 2 because group 3 players don't seem "weak verbally." The players in group 3 aren't any stronger/townier than the players in group 2. In fact, I would say the players in group 3 are probably the least known players in the list and have already been attracting a lot of scrutiny

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Do you consider Albert to be a verbally strong player ?

I haven't played with him, but based on what I've seen so far, I think he's lynchbaity than the players in group 3 if that's what you mean. He has proposed that we lynch group 1 and at least two people are townreading him for it

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oops I accidentally cut out the header but that was in response to clidd's 216

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Why would he be? Hoctac is clearly not the same thing as Hectic. Are you dyslexic?

hey I had the same thought

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Doro is town btw

Why?

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Do you have any completed scumgames dsjstr?

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I start to wonder why did mafia put 8 players in group 1, 2 players in group 2, and 3 players in group 3. It takes 7 to hammer and there's no way group 1 will get hammered by the other groups for not having enough players. Mafia want to avoid getting lynched which will be more likely there is definitely scum in group 1.

VOTE: Group 1

How many scum do you think are in group 1 and why?

Do you have any reads

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I think Adorable is scum

But I’m still not endorsing a lynch on group 1

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I think Adorable is scum

But I’m still not endorsing a lynch on group 1

What makes you think Adorable is scum?

Just read her ISO

It doesn’t have anything besides bad justification for voting group 1 (yes there’s almost certainly scum in group 1 but the real question is how many?) and an OMGUS on MT that was reachy and unjustified

I think she’d be doing a lot more as town

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Lynching group 1 would instantly win scum the game

Madness. You are scum.

The context for what I said was,

“If scum put 1 scum into each group, then lynching group 1 would be an instant win for scum.”

Why is this a scummy thing to say?

all 3 scum are in group 1 and will fight tooth and nail to avoid instantly losing.

You can’t instantly lose as town if all 3 scum are in group 1, no matter which group you lynch

Conversely you can instantly lose as town if you lynch group 1 and the partitions are 1-1-1

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I misread that mb

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Who’s scum in group 1?

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I admit it’s likely there’s 2-3 scum in group 1 but wouldn’t you want to confirm your theory with reads on players in group 1?

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I'm always a null read or I would be a scum lean since I'm not an active member. I get the feeling scum looked up my completed games and they put me on Group 1 and plan on lynching Group 2 or Group 3 on day 1 and on day 2 they would put me in a group that would get lynched. I also think whoever are scum in this game are trying way too hard to look towny and it is Group 1 who is getting town read alot.

I don't like Adorable's entrance either

This post looks like shade throwing and you didn't elaborate on why you didn't like my entrance and this is the kind of post I normally scum read when I don't see a player elaborate.

I think 2 scum are in Group 1 and that's why I'm voting there.

I don’t think you’re that hard to read nor do I think you’re lynchbait simply be being less active

Your entrance pinged me because all you did was ask some questions about the setup and offered no other content. What little analysis you offered in your first posts didn’t make sense - you conjectured there would be 1 scum in each group based on the previous run of this game, but the partitions in the previous game were completely different. I don’t believe you would come up with such bad analysis as town.

Who are the two scum?

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I also think whoever are scum in this game are trying way too hard to look towny and it is Group 1 who is getting town read alot.

Ngl I have a hard time believing you actually think this

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You also admitted you think there are 2 scum in Group 1 but you don't want to vote there. The two scum in Group 1 look like to me they are the ones who want to vote in Group 2 or Group 3. You are a player I have been leaning scum on. So you think I'm scum who wants to vote myself off on day 1? What kind of logic is this?

I don't have two active scumreads on people in group 1. I think it's rash to vote there without having at least two strong scumreads in group 1 on the offchance scum did actually only put 1 scum in that group.

I'm entertaining the idea that scum put scum!you and only you into group 1, and that's why you want to vote yourself. Who is your other scumread?

Why are you still leaning scum on me? Do you disagree with my analysis on your entrance posts?

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Do you have any particular thoughts on their opening post?

I answered this in response to Adorable

What's your read on them?

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Spoiler:

Adorable

- Puff went from thinking it was 1-1-1 to randomly switching to 3-0-0 in 299 with iff reasoning. Unnatural progression. No non-OMGUS reads yet. BUSSING/distancing.

Ame

- Conspiracy theory is townie. Poking Kanna is townie. Naked suspicion of clidd is iffy, dodged my question for why she found him suspicious.

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- Russian Blue. Poking holes in clidd's reasoning was townie, spotting Adorable as scum is townie. Some of her questioning feels

COLD.

Daenerys and Dragons

- Townslips in 16 and 19 look more fake than real. 231 is scummy in the way it takes Doro's joke too seriously.

Hoctac

- Sometimes misreads his role PM. He's probably fine, but there's always the possibility. Nulltown.

Kanna

- Newbtown. Her paranoia and coming around to thinking there's 2+ scum in Group 1 is natural.

Morning Tweet

- Scumslipped. 144.

Raya36

- PoE range. Agreeing with easy stuff and safe(?) takes. Pushing Group 3 and not considering Group 1 reads could be agenda-driven.

Q & A:

Raya

- I would love to see one of those fancy coloured readslists from you.

Daenerys and Dragons

- Regarding 19: There was an "ie" before "each of them is in one of the groups." Did you miss that?

Morning

- How confident are your scumlean/reads?

Ame

- Why do you find clidd suspicious, and are your Hoctac/clidd reads independent?

Kanna

- What's your read on me?

My reads on group 1 are basically the same as this

The people I scumread/don’t townread in group 1 are {adorable, raya, d&d hydra}

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Why?

- Daenerys

Why what? Why don’t I townread you?

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Why?

- Daenerys

Why what? Why don’t I townread you?

you seem to only be scumreading Adorable in 365, so what's changed since then that you have two more scumreads now? and also, how does that impact your theory about scum putting only scum!adorable in group 1?

- Daenerys

You and raya are my “not townreading” group

Does sircakez normally take a backseat in his hydra games?

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If you think it is 1/1/1 and think I'm the only scum in Group 1, then this would mean my scum buddies who put only me in Group 1 would expect me to do some power wolfing taking control of the game

No? Scum would want to get group 1 lynched in that case, and you would be deliberately playing scummy. Why would you think the opposite...?

As it is, you’re pretty scummy. I’m not sure if you’re deliberately playing scummy though.

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Adorable, you’ve also never responded to 354

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youre hardly present

I only remember like one of your posts off the top of my head

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Adorable, you’ve also never responded to 354

I already responded to this on 357.

Err I meant the post hoc just quoted lol

Don’t wine and mafia kids

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GROUP 1:

Adorable

Ame

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Daenerys and Dragons

Hoctac

Kanna

Morning Tweet

Raya36

GROUP 2:

Albert B. Rampage

clidd

GROUP 3:

dsjstr

enomis

Mohab500

Why do you have us as town?

- Daenerys

Do you guys think you’ve done enough to be townread or nah

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Adorable seems like obvious lynchbait to me and their first post suggests they aren't aware of the set-up which scum would be. That could be a fake "slip" of course but based on the rest of their play I just don't think they would do that.

Why is adorable town for not being aware of the setup but not me?

This feels like a very contrived reason to townread Adorable.

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I just realized I haven’t posted a single cat gif this game

Spoiler:

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I need enomis to come back

I doubt I’ll townread ABR but if I can townread everyone else with confidence, I’d be open to lynching group 1

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Although my reads say otherwise

What are your reads on people outside of group 3? Can you do one of those colored in reads lists?

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VOTE: Group 1

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i was scum

UNVOTE: Group 1

You are crazy! Ame put us at L-1, you hammered and unvoting doesn't count.

Why do you keep dodging hoc’s question?

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Guys be honest. am i hopeless at scumhunting? Actually i figured it out myself. Yes.

Basically i took my previous townleans, and threw on the new ones, and here we are. I can reread and fix it as long as we arent terminating group #1 right now. Are you guys considering ending group #1 right now, or are we waiting

I doubt kanna, raya and d&d is the exact scumteam

I’m not ready to end it

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Enomis I see you

Come play!

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Spoiler:

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I think only clidd is confirmed to not be scum with 1 scum in group 1 by virtue of not hammering

I need to think

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This game makes no sense. Where is the opposition to lynching group 1 from people inside group 1? Like why am I the only person opposing this

If there’s 2+ scum in group 1, then scum would be in {hoc, mt, raya}. My read would be wrong on one of {hoc, mt} which would be surprising since they’re both pretty town.

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Interesting.

I think we should end the day

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Unless anyone seriously think it’s 1-0-2?

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I think there’s virtually no risk in lynching group 1 because I doubt scum made the partitions 1-0-2

I don’t think there’s value in discussing who scum might be in groups 2/3 in case there’s 2 scum in group 1 bc I have no idea who it is

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LOL

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>_>

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no idea how ABR saved this game!!! wow!!

^^

gg!