I'll introduce a third party and interject a question of my own:
Why are you squeamish about Datisi's naked vote and not mine? Why are you squeamish about wagons forming on people you have no reads on?
It seems the monkey was quicker than the donkey on this one.
In the interest of progress and as a runner up prize, I'll shall speak.
I think neither HEM/Datsi's votes are AI. Both can be explained by either PoV, and neither did anything to advance the wagon's pressure besides the vote.
Look, I don't see any way out of this without pretending I have a townlean/read on Umlaut when I don't.
We're actually masons, and I didn't like Datisi creating momentum on the wagon because it could be a way to get us to claim or spew whether we're actually masons, or if it was a joke.
I mean when you vote someone with 0 posts a few pages in, I assume it's because they have 0 posts.
Can you not say the same thing for someone who dropped a vote and peaced? Is that not defined as lurking as well? I would even say it is more proper to say Hiraki is lurking than Madoka since Madoka could of just not woke up yet to play?
Yes, I do think it's more accurate to say Hiraki is lurking than Madoka, which is why I think voting him and keeping my vote their is productive since it might produce some kind of actual pressure while voting Madoka is just a null-op.
I'm puzzled on why you assumed that wagon was had logic behind it (lurker wagon) and not a RVS bandwagon considering all that was said was literally the votes.
I might just be assuming people play in the way I think is good play. If I move my vote it means I actually think the new one is better than the old for some reason, so unless someone is just joining the game I'm going to figure their vote is for some kind of reason even if it's not a very strong one.
pedit
oh my god Hoctac
but also yeah, that's true.
“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,
In post 133, Hoctac wrote:We're actually masons, and I didn't like Datisi creating momentum on the wagon because it could be a way to get us to claim or spew whether we're actually masons, or if it was a joke.
You didn't like me "creating momentum to get you to claim", so you decided to claim anyway immediately. Ok.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,
In post 137, Umlaut wrote:Yes, I do think it's more accurate to say Hiraki is lurking than Madoka, which is why I think voting him and keeping my vote their is productive since it might produce some kind of actual pressure while voting Madoka is just a null-op.
i do not think hiraki's lurking is alignment indicative in the same way that i do not think hoctac's claiming masons is alignment indicative. hiraki is likely treating his vote as an egopost and waiting for the game to develop, which is in line with his play as either alignment.
the Madoka votes were RVS, but also at the heart of every RVS is trying to see the reaction of people when they wake up and they have a wagon on their name
I mean when you vote someone with 0 posts a few pages in, I assume it's because they have 0 posts.
Can you not say the same thing for someone who dropped a vote and peaced? Is that not defined as lurking as well? I would even say it is more proper to say Hiraki is lurking than Madoka since Madoka could of just not woke up yet to play?
Yes, I do think it's more accurate to say Hiraki is lurking than Madoka, which is why I think voting him and keeping my vote their is productive since it might produce some kind of actual pressure while voting Madoka is just a null-op.
I'm puzzled on why you assumed that wagon was had logic behind it (lurker wagon) and not a RVS bandwagon considering all that was said was literally the votes.
I might just be assuming people play in the way I think is good play. If I move my vote it means I actually think the new one is better than the old for some reason, so unless someone is just joining the game I'm going to figure their vote is for some kind of reason even if it's not a very strong one.
pedit
oh my god Hoctac
but also yeah, that's true.
So really it boils down to you think town!play is to only move your vote in RVS if the move is more likely to be scum? Why not ask what their reason was then instead of inserting your own (Voting for lurking?)
In post 133, Hoctac wrote:We're actually masons, and I didn't like Datisi creating momentum on the wagon because it could be a way to get us to claim or spew whether we're actually masons, or if it was a joke.
You didn't like me "creating momentum to get you to claim", so you decided to claim anyway immediately. Ok.
In post 137, Umlaut wrote:@George, @Monkey Are the Madoka votes for any kind of reason?
I think my vote is better placed on a complete null slot than Datisi right now.
No one particularly scum pings me right now, and at the time I didn't feel comfortable bringing Hiraki to L-1.
See, this is a good answer (would be better if it weren't preceded by my Guide to What a Town Vote Looks Like to Me, but it's still good).
“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,
In post 133, Hoctac wrote:We're actually masons, and I didn't like Datisi creating momentum on the wagon because it could be a way to get us to claim or spew whether we're actually masons, or if it was a joke.
You didn't like me "creating momentum to get you to claim", so you decided to claim anyway immediately. Ok.
yeah, did you like it?
Yeah, sure, fun meme.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”